Date: July 12th, 2008 3:28 PM
Author: Beady-eyed rehab
Subject: Debate about the merits of her work, Yale's decision, on COHE:
July 11, 2008
Fresh Artistic Controversy Hits Yale U.
Yale Universityâs School of Art is in the news again, this time for expelling a student who says she plans to sue the university for age discrimination and seek reinstatement.
The student, Annabel Osberg, was admitted to the schoolâs M.F.A. program in painting last year as an 18-year-old after being home-schooled through high school and enrolling as an undergraduate in California at 14. In interviews with the IvyGate blog and a local TV station in New Haven, Conn., she acknowledged that professors at Yale had criticized her work and even had given her a midterm warning. Ms. Osberg said she had then changed her style.
But recently, Yale officials told her she was too immature to continue in the program â even though, she said, they knew she was several years younger than most M.F.A. students when they admitted her.
âIt cost a lot of money,â Ms. Osberg told WTNH-TV in an interview. She said Yaleâs decision had caused âa lot of heartache and hopes that were shattered.â
Now she wants a court to force Yale to readmit her and is poised to file a lawsuit. Yale officials declined to comment, citing the privacy of student records.
Ms. Osbergâs drama follows another controversy surrounding an art student at Yale last spring. The university refused to display a controversial project by an undergraduate art major, Aliza Shvarts, who said she had induced her own abortions and wanted to put images of them on display as part of her senior art project. The project caused a media uproar, and Yale declined to display the work because, it said, Ms. Shvarts had refused to acknowledge that the abortions were faked. âRobin Wilson
Posted on Friday July 11, 2008
Comments
1.
Absolutely nothing about this story makes any sense whatsoever. Iâm told a strange disease is festering back east called the Kafka Virus. It looks like itâs hit Yale. Run for your lives!!!!!!
â P. Cosco Jul 11, 01:02 PM #
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Iâd be interested to know what the critiques were of her work. MFA programs are noted for art style de jour. And for using artists, as dog and pony shows. Once the infatuation wears off casting off the subject of that passing fad is very easy for them.
Perhaps in Osberg theyâve found someone who can play their own game agaisnt themâ¦
â Atana Jul 11, 02:30 PM #
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Look at her artwork at http://art.yale.edu/AnnabelOsberg. I say good for Yale for standing up to their standards. Too many MFA students assume that once they are in the programs, they will get the degree, no matter how they perform. If their performance is not satisfactory happens, grad reviews result in warnings, but generally the students are eventually passed through the system. We know what a huge system it has become as the MFA programs have multiplied exponentially.
â jd Jul 11, 03:35 PM #
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My own MFA experience was similar â I was admitted at age 19. But I hadnât been home schooled, which I suspect is the critical factor here. Too many liberals donât respect home schooling, even in a subject as family-oriented as art.
â Neal Jung Jul 11, 03:49 PM #
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Piffle. Under what law is she threatening to sue? Iâm not aware of 18-year-olds being a protected class.
â James Kline Jul 11, 03:57 PM #
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I looked at this womanâs paintings on the website listed in the previous post. I fail to see what is âwrongâ with them compared to the other studentsâ work. She is the only one of the first year printmaking/painting students who actually posted paintings. Most of the students have YouTube videos or nothing on their sites. Could someone please help those of us who know nothing about what makes good the art of the 21st century? I should admit that I am a scientist, not an art critic (however my art historian husband educates me frequently on the Dutch masters and Florentine artâI get that stuff). What I donât understand is why this personâs painting is considered sub-par for Yale. I suspect any judge in a law suit would have the same problem, unless he or she was an art critic in a former life. Forgive my ignorance. To my untrained eye, a lot of 21st century art looks like chimps made it.
â aml Jul 11, 04:00 PM #
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I second #6âs request for a critique. I have my tastes in art, but that is all I know.
â wm Jul 11, 04:09 PM #
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James (post 5): Not a protected class? Nor are people, say, with unattractive faces or features, but if theyâd kicked her out for that reason, I bet sheâd have a case of some kind. If the procedure of warnings and grades really was followed, then they were perfectly justified in flunking her out ⦠but I see no reason to insult her, too, by calling her âimmature.â Lots of students (and others) are immature; that has little to do with oneâs academic or artistic ability.
â swish Jul 11, 04:12 PM #
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One of my sons, at the age of 6, lamented while looking at a painting in an art museum, âI could do that but they wouldnât pay me for it.â I agree â so much of what passes for âartâ is just a total mystery to me.
â deborah Jul 11, 04:29 PM #
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I agree with posters 6, 7, and 10 â I just donât âgetâ a great deal of what passes for âartâ these days. As someone once said, âif they have to explain it, then itâs not really art.â
â Doug Jul 11, 04:36 PM #
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The Yale law school faculty directory is almost as big as the LA telephone book. Why canât an institution with Yaleâs resources figure out how to handle this kind of a decision smoothly? Only the most ignorant of administrators would make such a decision and not expect such a result.
â LEF Jul 11, 04:39 PM #
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The work shows neither talent nor skill (two very different things, itâs important to remember). If this was the sort of work she used to gain admission, then the faculty at Yale got what they deserved!
â pablo Jul 11, 05:01 PM #
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Pablo, can you elaborate?
â wm Jul 11, 05:07 PM #
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Count me in with those who donât understand Yaleâs critique of Ms Osbergâs art. I looked at the other studentsâ pages on the web, too, and Iâm as bewildered as is âamlâ (#6). Moreover, How much advancement and maturity should one expect of a first year art student anyway? What was her art like when she first entered the school? She is at least willing to put her art out there in public, whereas here more âmatureâ classmates seem interested in only presenting banalities. People like pablo (#12) are free to critique Osbergâs talent and skill, but I know Iâve seen art like herâs hanging on museum walls.
â Tracy G. Jul 11, 05:09 PM #
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Poor use of color, and demonstrates some definite problems in anatomical drawing. The abstraction is poorly done, likely due to the aforementioned problem.
But on the whole, about average for a University art student. The best of the lot, the aerial scene.
Yale or otherwise, her work does resemble much of the work of that collegiate arts contingent.
But perhaps that just might be part of the problem. MFAâs have a end placement rate in the field of less than 15%. In part because the assessment standards are so ambiguous as are the expectations. Iâm in the field and have long doubted the credibility of MFA programs here in the US because of those issues.
â Atana Jul 11, 05:50 PM #
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Itâs very hard to see a court intervening in this one. Miss Osberg may have been hard done by (or not; on the facts given itâs impossible to tell): but the legal system properly defers very broadly indeed to universitiesâ authority to determine adequate student performance. A pity it has come to this, but not every injusticeâif injustice was done hereâhas or ought to have a legal remedy.
â Gustave Jul 11, 06:02 PM #
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The point is not whether or not we think itâs good art, but whether the faculty, in their professional judgment, think it meets the standards they set. When you pay tuition, you are paying for the expertise of the faculty (not a certain number of hours in a room, and not a degree, but the opportunity to earn a degree conferred by the institution at the recommendation of the faculty.) Faculty judgement is the standard, whether the area is art, biochemistry, business, or creative writing. Yes, thatâs a lot of power in the faculty, but thatâs why itâs hard to get one of those jobs and get tenure.
Thatâs why prospective students, especially prospective graduate students, should evaluate a prospective institution on its faculty (not the pretty grounds, the customer service orientation or amenities, the reputation, or the ranking in USNWR.)
The faculty have a vested interest in not admitting, or later, not graduating, students who do not meet their standards, because that is one way a faculty/university is judged â by its graduates.
If my memory of HIED law holds, whether or not she makes any headway in court will depend on why she was dismissed. If it was because the faculty judged her WORK to be immature or otherwise sub par, the courts usually respect the expertise of the faculty and leave those cases alone. However, if she was dismissed for behavioral reasons (perhaps her behavior was immature and she broke some sort of policies or rules) then the courts will likely make sure that Yale followed whatever rules it has in the handbook for adjudicating student conduct. If she can somehow prove that they truly dismissed her merely for the characteristic of youth, then she might be able to make a case that they knew that when she applied and have somehow violated an agreement. Iâm with #5⦠I donât think 18-year-olds are a protected class in the ârightsâ sense, like race or gender or any characteristic on the list in Yaleâs non-discrimation clause. But Iâd defer to someone with more higher ed law expertise on that one.
â HIED doc Jul 11, 06:09 PM #
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Yale was foolish and rude to label her as âimmatureâ. I hope she becomes a famous artist someday, so that she can rub it in their faces.
â Noreen Jul 11, 06:17 PM #
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Ms. Osbergâs argument that Yale knew how old she was when it admitted her is a non-sequitur. What the school overestimated was her maturity, not her age.
Iâm not saying Yale is right. Iâm just saying that particular argument is not relevant.
â CU Alum Jul 11, 06:33 PM #
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The standards of insight on this blog are pretty low. As an artist I can make certain ethical judgments about current scientific practice, but I would be ill advised to judge the science itself, perhaps just as a chemist might be cautious about offering an opinion about the findings of an astronomer. The technical calculations make most cautious about expressing much of an opinion about the outcome of a research project, and most research projects that become public are the work of credentialed, tested and degreed professionals- perhaps in every area but non-Darwinian biology and that work is almost always labeled âpseudo-â and left by the side of the road to rot in the open air. Art is a low coherency field and many with standing in the art world routinely disagree about the most basic of things; even things like the importance of creation itself.
Oddly Art is expected to be both instantaneously accessible and philosophically robust; there seems to be an understanding that everyone is equally qualified to render an opinion about the prime object in art. As if you could make a judgment about a work of Greek literature without having to bother with learning Greek, or even engaging the work of a translator or historian. The claim is made by many that the evidence of art is right there for all to see, and that observation of course it is both true and false. Young artists struggle with the first layers of meaning; more experienced artists struggle with both what to express and what to refrain from presenting. Neither task is easy if what you are working with is worth making.
I donât much care for the academic study of chemistry, but I donât dismiss the study or the field as being without value. I have great admiration for, and use everyday in my studio the key ideas in âThe Calculusâ but I have no need to practice its calculations. When you have an encounter with art that doesnât yield insight that you find valuable, it is likely that the artist has not yet edited their expression to fit your eye; but it is also possible that your eye is not yet capable of recognizing the sophisticated level of organization that you expect and reward in your own field of inquiry. The fault might as easily lie in the eye of the beholder as in the manifestation of the artist.
MFA programs, perhaps like other forms of graduate education committed to producing terminally degreed souls, vary widely in effectiveness and coherency. Comments from oneâs own experience should always be broadened into categorical truths. It clearly must be noted that MFA programs are markedly faster at producing their under-prepared work products than either our Humanities or Sciences colleaguesâ training systems. If you canât be good, at least be brief. (Irony noted).
Educating 18 year olds is not normally what MFA programs do, and it is puzzling why the most competitive visual arts MFA program in the world is taking on the challenge of teaching an individual how to both be and do. Perhaps the exoticness of an 18 year oldâs insights was remarkable enough to take a chance on. Failure to complete Yaleâs MFA program at 18 might not be such a bad thing, although the standard advice for responsible artists considering graduate school is that admission without promise of financial support means that you are not yet ready to go.
An MFA is neither a map to the future nor a back pack full of supplies. At best it is a walking stick. The April 2007 Art in America had a long list of leaders of MFA programs address the MFA entitled: Art Schools: A Group Crit.
â painteronair Jul 11, 07:38 PM #
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Painter on air, #20 above, may be an expert on art, but he or she leaves much to be desired in writing clearly, coherently, concisely, and precisely.
â Donald Ray Jenkins Jul 12, 12:16 AM #
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Painteronair did make some clear points, albeit in a manner specific to his or her field.
Essentially if Osbergâs work is evaluated within the context of John Deweyâs philosophical theories of âart as experienceââ¦sheâs already a success whether or not Yale choses to toss her out.
And anyway, the whole concept of an institutional avant garde is inconsistent. Either profs need to evaluate as the old academies did, or be very, very quiet. ( And if Osbergâs work is the product of their instruction it is quite lacking from a technical perspective.) In art its been a major problem to have standards or the expertise of profs premised on institutional avant gardism, and each year it gets harder to expect it all to be taken seriously. As far as painters mode of writing, this is an informal discourse and so it should not be the core of the issue. And as noted earlier humanities people do tend to use a different writing idiom than other fields. And it does vex considerably to have every third post on chronicle complaining about someoneâs supposed inadequacies in writing. Hey weâre supposed to represent the life of the mind, not the inner workings of a word processor.
â Atana Jul 12, 12:39 AM #
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âEither profs need to evaluate as the old academies did, or be very, very quietâ
Please. There are plenty of ways of evaluating art that are not based on this false opposition between the âold academiesâ and the âinstitutional avant garde.â
Painter (#20) takes more time and energy to respond to the utter inanities of what I presume to be the non-humanists here than I could ever muster. I frankly donât see what all the fuss is about. They took her based on her painting. She gets there, and proves to be too immature to hack it in the program. They cut her loose. End of story. These kids have to take classes. They have to discuss their work and the ideas behind it. They have to play well with others. Maybe she can do all that, but it seems to be Yaleâs decision that she canât and I donât see any particular reason to secondguess that.
We have people in my MFA program that are borderline too immature to cut it, and we try to nurture them through. Often it works. Sometimes it doesnât. But studying at Yaleâs MFA is a privilege, not a right. Just because they accepted her has no bearing on whether sheâs living up to expectations and will successfully complete the program, age 18 or 64. Every admission is a gamble. They lost on her. Sheâs annoyed, and our culture insists that the individual is always right. Sheâs trying to get some mileage out of the âhomeschooledâ angle. Whoo-whoo. Not a particularly big deal either way.
â art professor Jul 12, 01:29 AM #
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Interesting⦠her art was decent, but it wasnât great, and there was nothing particularly profound in her use of classical elements, nor her subject matter, nor even her technique. I would say make her get a BFA in painting and see if she improves⦠I agree with âart professor,â though she may not have realized it, grad. school is a privilege, not a right. Grad. schools give people the boot all the time, and often not as politely as they did her!
â Legend Jul 12, 02:37 AM #
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Incidentally, to see the level of refinement AND talent some Yale MFAâs end up with, take a look at, say, Zak Smithâs art.
â Legend Jul 12, 02:42 AM #
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What happens at Yale stays at Yale. Not. Unfortunately.
â David A. McCullough Jul 12, 12:09 PM #
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The Young: Wordsworth got it right when he wrote âthe child is father to the man.â Art deparments should keep this in mind.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=833042&forum_id=1#9967385)