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#1 then, #1 NOW! George Washington Chose Princeton!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Given choices, the father of our nation chose Princeton
blue glittery new version immigrant
  04/08/08
Abraham Lincoln chose Harvard.
talented indigo old irish cottage lay
  04/09/08
The Lincoln's were rather disappointed in what harvard produced!
high-end generalized bond stage
  04/09/08
.... and GOD chose Patrick Henry College.
talented indigo old irish cottage lay
  04/09/08
LOL. All pale in comparison to the words of
high-end generalized bond stage
  04/09/08
the National Guides certainly seem to have a common conlusion
cracking puce office
  04/26/08
Can you believe the wisdom that guy had!
Pungent Personal Credit Line
  04/10/08
god, DMD 11 really is grasping at straws these days. Just l...
lime mischievous dingle berry heaven
  04/10/08
perhaps gasping at truth is more apt
Pungent Personal Credit Line
  04/11/08
I wish DMD11 would stop calling me NYCfan. As he can (I hop...
lime mischievous dingle berry heaven
  04/12/08
Oh, and if DMD11 is in fact "grasping" at truth, t...
lime mischievous dingle berry heaven
  04/12/08
breaking your promise again sferret/nycfan?
blue glittery new version immigrant
  04/13/08
Was harvard also depressed during Washington's time?
cracking puce office
  04/20/08


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Date: April 8th, 2008 11:48 PM
Author: blue glittery new version immigrant
Subject: Given choices, the father of our nation chose Princeton

Some things never change

(excerpt)

"when it came time to send his adopted son to college, Washington chose Princeton, writing to GW Parke Custis that 'no college has turned out better scholars or more estimable characters than nassau.'"

(see full story at link below)

http://tigernet.princeton.edu/~ptoniana/washington.asp



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Date: April 9th, 2008 12:00 AM
Author: talented indigo old irish cottage lay
Subject: Abraham Lincoln chose Harvard.

He sent his son Robert to Harvard, even though he didn't get in initially and had to do a PG year at Exeter first.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Todd_Lincoln

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=796374&forum_id=1#9599925)





Date: April 9th, 2008 10:44 PM
Author: high-end generalized bond stage
Subject: The Lincoln's were rather disappointed in what harvard produced!

(excerpt)

"To gain control of his mother's finances, he ('Robert') had her committed to a psychiatric hospital in Batavia, Illinois in 1875. She was released after a three-month stay. The committal proceedings led to a profound estrangement between Lincoln and his mother; they were never reconciled."



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Date: April 9th, 2008 12:10 AM
Author: talented indigo old irish cottage lay
Subject: .... and GOD chose Patrick Henry College.

See: "Introducing God's new Harvard:

Patrick Henry College's goal is launching leaders for Christ"

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=58673

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Date: April 9th, 2008 10:35 PM
Author: high-end generalized bond stage
Subject: LOL. All pale in comparison to the words of

"The Father of Our Nation". What he knew then, remains true today! Like today's higher ed experts, Washington was unafraid to make a CLEAR declaration as to what was the best school in the land.

Today's Higher Ed Experts make similar, bold declarations:

Here are the CURRENT positions of those National College Guides making declarations about which college/university is best in America. The unanimous conclusion also supports the findings of America's national ranking publications.

1. "Untangling the Ivy League" (2008)- Gives Princeton its highest academic rating. One full notch above Yale and Harvard and certainly above all others in the Ivy League.

2. The Princeton Review (unaffiliated with Princeton University) - In its "College Campus Visit Guide" (7th edition) it refers to Princeton as, "truly gorgeous, offering the best undergraduate education in the country".

3. "Insider's Guide to the Colleges" (2008) - (An annual college guide publication written by Yale's Daily News Staff Editors). The publication lists Princeton as the top school for undergraduate attention/focus. Left out of the running was Yale itself.

http://www.amazon.com/Insiders-Guide-Colleges-2008-34th/dp/0312366892

4. "All American Colleges" (2008) - In ranking "Top Schools for Conservatives, Old-Fashioned Liberals, and People of Faith" the college guide book named Princeton as its choice school among the Ivies as well as other schools.

http://www.isi.org/books/bookdetail.aspx?id=f265b43c-5b48-4a57-b740-2fd310414b27

5. College Prowler (2008) - College Powler publishes individual college guides for each of the country's more well known schools. College Prowler gives Princeton the highest academic rating in the Ivy League and nation, Both Harvard and Yale are ranked below. The ranking is based largely on the opinions of those attending the schools being ranked.

http://www.collegeprowler.com/find/guides-by-ranking.aspx?section=Academics

6. "Choosing the Right College" 2008 - 2009 edition (an ISI Guide)

Subtitle: The Whole Truth about America's Top Schools

This newest college guide, touted as the nation' most comprehensive, promotes Princeton as the nation's best undergraduate university and "most exclusive club" among universities. Further referring to Princeton as "the undergraduate's Ivy" being "almost always rated the number one school in America".

Princeton is described as being "as close to the intellectual ideal for undergraduates as one can find in a top research university".

http://www.amazon.com/Choosing-Right-College-Americas-Schools/dp/0802845371



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Date: April 26th, 2008 10:57 PM
Author: cracking puce office
Subject: the National Guides certainly seem to have a common conlusion

as to which is the best school in the land!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=796374&forum_id=1#9690697)





Date: April 10th, 2008 8:37 PM
Author: Pungent Personal Credit Line
Subject: Can you believe the wisdom that guy had!

Without the benefit of a ranking publication, student survey or college guide!!!!!!! He still came up with the same answer that exists today!!!!!!!!!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=796374&forum_id=1#9608513)





Date: April 10th, 2008 8:41 PM
Author: lime mischievous dingle berry heaven

god, DMD 11 really is grasping at straws these days. Just look at all those exclamation marks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=796374&forum_id=1#9608524)





Date: April 11th, 2008 11:14 PM
Author: Pungent Personal Credit Line
Subject: perhaps gasping at truth is more apt

eh nycfan?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=796374&forum_id=1#9614525)





Date: April 12th, 2008 9:06 PM
Author: lime mischievous dingle berry heaven

I wish DMD11 would stop calling me NYCfan. As he can (I hope) see, my name is clearly 'Sferret".

Moron.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=796374&forum_id=1#9618764)





Date: April 12th, 2008 9:08 PM
Author: lime mischievous dingle berry heaven

Oh, and if DMD11 is in fact "grasping" at truth, that mean that he originally does not have a firm grasp of hope, hence his need to grasp at it. How can you explain this???

Again, I'm smarter than him.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=796374&forum_id=1#9618767)





Date: April 13th, 2008 11:31 AM
Author: blue glittery new version immigrant
Subject: breaking your promise again sferret/nycfan?

After swearing you would never respond, here you go again. You can:t control your petty jealousies can you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=796374&forum_id=1#9620756)





Date: April 20th, 2008 8:34 PM
Author: cracking puce office
Subject: Was harvard also depressed during Washington's time?

"Student life at Harvard lags peer schools, poll finds"

By Marcella Bombardieri, Boston Globe Staff

Student satisfaction at Harvard College ranks near the bottom of a group of 31 elite private colleges, according to an analysis of survey results that finds that Harvard students are disenchanted with the faculty and social life on campus.

An internal Harvard memo, obtained by the Globe, provides numerical data that appear to substantiate some long-held stereotypes of Harvard: that undergraduate students often feel neglected by professors, and that they don't have as much fun as peers on many other campuses.

The group of 31 colleges, known as the Consortium on Financing Higher Education, or COFHE, includes all eight Ivy League schools, other top research universities like the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Stanford, and small colleges like Amherst and Wellesley.

''Harvard students are less satisfied with their undergraduate educations than the students at almost all of the other COFHE schools," according to the memo, dated Oct. 2004 and marked ''confidential." ''Harvard student satisfaction compares even less favorably to satisfaction at our closest peer institutions."

The 21-page memo, from staff researchers at Harvard to academic deans, documents student dissatisfaction with faculty availability, quality of instruction, quality of advising, and student life factors such as sense of community and social life on campus.

The raw data used in the memo come from surveys of graduating seniors in 2002, but are the most recent comparison available and are still consulted by Harvard administrators. On a five-point scale, Harvard students' overall satisfaction comes out to 3.95, compared to an average of 4.16 for the other 30 COFHE schools. Although the difference appears small, Harvard officials say they take the ''satisfaction gap" very seriously.

Only four schools scored lower than Harvard, but the schools were not named. (COFHE data are supposed to be confidential.) The memo also notes that Harvard's ''satisfaction gap" has existed since at least 1994.

''I think we have to concede that we are letting our students down," said Lawrence Buell, an English professor and former dean of undergraduate education. ''Our standard is that Harvard shoots to be the very best. If it shoots to be the very best in terms of research productivity and the stature of its faculty, why should it not shoot to be the very best in terms of the quality of the education that it delivers?"

Harvard officials refused to comment on the survey, but noted that they are already working to address the issues underscored by the data. They also said their internal numbers have improved since 2002. President Lawrence H. Summers has also spoken repeatedly about the need for students to have more opportunity to get to know their professors.

In a report released last April as part of an ongoing review of Harvard's curriculum, the need for more interaction between students and faculty was mentioned repeatedly''Harvard College should be known not only as an institution in which students can sit in lecture halls to learn from faculty who make original contributions to knowledge, but also as a place where they may encounter, and challenge, these scholars directly in seminar and small class settings," the report said.

But right now, students can go through four years on campus with limited contact with professors. They often take large lecture classes, divided into sections headed by graduate student ''teaching fellows." Small classes are frequently taught by temporary instructors instead of regular, tenure-track professors. And in many cases, advisers are not professors, either, but graduate students, administrators, or full-time advisers.

''I've definitely had great professors, but most of the time you have to chase them down and show initiative if you want to get to know them," said Kathy Lee, a junior majoring in psychology. ''I've had a lot of trouble getting to know enough faculty to get the recommendations I need for medical school."

On the five-point scale, Harvard students gave an average score of 2.92 on faculty availability, compared to an average 3.39 for the other COFHE schools. Harvard students gave a 3.16 for quality of instruction, compared to a 3.31 for the other schools, and a 2.54 for quality of advising in their major, compared to 2.86 for the other schools.

Students gave Harvard a 2.62 for social life on campus, compared to a 2.89 for the other schools, and a 2.53 for sense of community, compared to 2.8.

Harvard Dean of the Faculty of Arts and Sciences William C. Kirby recently said that Harvard's ratio of students to tenured and tenure-track faculty is 11-to-1, compared to an 8-1 ratio at Princeton University. Harvard has already boosted the number of faculty by 10 percent in the last five years, from 610 to 672 professors, in part to improve the student-faculty ratio. Kirby's plan now is to expand the faculty to 750 by 2010, and possibly to 800 after that.

In the meantime, Harvard is trying to offer more intimate classroom settings. For example, four years ago it offered only about 30 small seminar classes for freshmen. This year there are 115, most taught by senior faculty, according to Dean of the College Benedict H. Gross.

Students' experiences also vary widely from department to department. Some of the most popular -- and thus overburdened -- majors, such as economics or government, have fairly low ratings on internal student surveys, while small majors like classics and philosophy get better ratings.

On the social front, students complain that Harvard lacks places where students can socialize and has so many rules that it is difficult to hold a party on-campus, where almost all undergraduates live.

The Harvard administration has also been working hard in the last few years to improve social life. The school has been experimenting with popular ''pub nights" on some Fridays, and has allowed campus parties to stay open an hour later, until 2 a.m. They have tried other novelty programs from dodge ball tournaments to speed dating, and doubled the amount of athletic equipment in the main gym used by undergraduates.

Many students are pessimistic that the curriculum review is going to change what some call ''a culture of mutual avoidance," where students and faculty often don't make an effort to meet. Professors and students alike also say there's a hurried and stressful atmosphere on campus that can get in the way of building mentor relationships. After all, Harvard has been trying to improve teaching and advising for years, long before the current administration.

Matt Glazer, president of the student government, said it's hard to have much confidence in the administration's commitment to fixing the problems.

''When the system that has dismal advising is giving recommendations on how to make advising better, the question is why aren't they doing that right now?" Glazer said.

http://www.boston.com/news/education/higher/articles/2005/03/29/student_life_at_harvard_lags_peer_schools_poll_finds/



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