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Date: July 16th, 2008 5:03 PM Author: Gay Insane Stead Tank Subject: Business Ethics Looking for comments from fellow stakeholders in a worthy cause. Actually, in seeking a solution to a huge dilemna.
Can moral values, play a part in the long term success or demise of the free market system? If you believe there must be a connection, then we have to ask the question of how the free market system can be examined within the context of "morals." Every business course and business activity I have participated seems to insist that we cannot associate the two... yet we all know there is a connection.
Can the business world benefit from PHD ethicists with a bent towards preaching the dangers of greed, power, and other normative moral values that when abused seem to act as cancers that threaten the longevity of the free market?
Of course the issue of who or what defines "morals" always arises. Certainly it isn't a simple matter, and that's why we have "PHD" Ethicists. Shouldnt we espouse some form of a teachable normative realm of morals for the business world? Maybe it doesn't have to be complex. Shouldn't we seek to simplify? Who said, "Every man is free to do that which he will, provided he infringes not on the equal right of any other man?"
I am a 48 year old Registered Engineer with an MBA and other related certifications to my field of engineering and business consulting in the construction industry. In a healthy progression from succesful employemnt, I have been a self employed consultant for about five years and am doing well.
I don't consider anyone who seeks ideals, as a moran or unsophisticated. There is great intelligence in listening to the diversity and applying the simplicity. Let's face it, each of our minds is finite in the time and space of infinity that exists around us. Collectively, we can span the infinite, if we are lucky.
That said, who can help me learn about the possibilities of examining business in the context of morals with the ultimate hope, then, of teaching those who might listen?
Any non-religious business programs you know of that shares this hope of understanding? It could seem anti-business on the face but I believe very pro-business in the short and long terms. Some medicines taste awful, and most construction projects are messy, but the results are what we live for. Are we (our businesses) in need of improvements? Is this an attainable approach to those improvements?
Your well intentioned help will be appreciated.
Thank you
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Date: July 16th, 2008 9:27 PM Author: razzmatazz sneaky criminal Subject: Business ethics aka public relations. The market will regulate morals as needed, indeed the market will respond to "ethics". Of course morals are subjective. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=835603&forum_id=1#9980240) |
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Date: July 21st, 2008 5:45 PM Author: Gay Insane Stead Tank ... say few associated morals and people will not participate in a venture vs sufficient associated morals and people will participate - like equilibrium in supply and demand? That makes sense. But, what if the equilibrium point shifts or drifts...slowly towards some point at which ventures collapse at an alarming maybe unreverable rate (present saving and loan problems?) or create profitable "bads" rather than "goods" that further propigates the drift. What other ways may market regulate morals? Is education a way of regulating? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=835603&forum_id=1#9995821) |
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Date: July 21st, 2008 9:58 PM Author: razzmatazz sneaky criminal Subject: That, of course, depends upon what one means by *education* Mao, as I recall, was big on *education*. IMHO, Adam Smith had it rite. BTW, the *equiliberium point* is in a state of constant flux. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=835603&forum_id=1#9996581) |
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Date: July 17th, 2008 8:35 PM Author: stirring garnet orchestra pit I met a cute guy at a party the other nite who just completed his first year at HBS. He maintains that business ethics is an oxymoron! Oh, the future of the world is in good hands, I say! |
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Date: July 21st, 2008 5:29 PM Author: Gay Insane Stead Tank Like Jumbo Shrimp or near miss?
Why do you think this is might be the case? Sounds like you should track him down again. Could he be high on the social responsibility scale and believe that the two cannot coexist? Did he sound a bit dissallusioned?
Just wondering. |
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Date: July 22nd, 2008 9:35 AM Author: stirring garnet orchestra pit Dissallusioned? No. Disillusioned? Perhaps. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=835603&forum_id=1#9997446) |
Date: July 17th, 2008 11:35 AM Author: High-end exhilarant incel there are none (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=835603&forum_id=1#9981689) |
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Date: July 21st, 2008 5:47 PM Author: Gay Insane Stead Tank My son is starting PSU this year.
Would you personally like to see any such programs? Why or why not? |
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Date: July 21st, 2008 6:08 PM Author: High-end exhilarant incel I would, but I would question it's ability to shape actions without any economic incentives. I agree with RWC above that "ethics" in a sense are irrelevant. Business is about providing goods and services at the least cost.
If ethics means following law then yes, Rule of Law should be emphasized as a way to ensure greater prosperity for all.
I'm not sure what else you can do though. |
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Date: July 18th, 2008 3:13 AM Author: green filthpig garrison I don't think you can teach it. Preachy professors are ministers not educators (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=835603&forum_id=1#9984632) |
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Date: July 21st, 2008 5:54 PM Author: Gay Insane Stead Tank Sounds right to me. Can it be done without preaching or is that the oxymoran? Morals and business seem mutually exclusive on one hand and inseperable on the other. I need an anology to somehow reconcile that in my brain. How can they be both at the same time? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=835603&forum_id=1#9995846) |
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Date: July 21st, 2008 11:59 PM Author: talented windowlicker stage There's no 'a' in moron. I thought it was a typo, but you've done it twice. There's also only one 'o' in "analogy". Also, "inseparable" only has one 'e'.
I'm not trying to be crass, so please don't take any offense (I mean none) I'm a teacher, so I'm curious. You have very specific recurring orthographical errors involving the letter 'a'. Is English your first language? Are you dysgraphic or dyslexic?
Oh, and profs are useless in the business world. What's done has to be done through legislation, or it will be ignored. It's already being done, read SOX. |
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Date: July 22nd, 2008 3:23 AM Author: green filthpig garrison Legislation is key. Businesses within industries that have good values and are competitive should participate legislatively for the sake of all business. Adobe, Goldman Sachs, and Time Warner and similar companies, have a niche in their respective markets that make them leaders in managing that sectors interests.
Also, to the English teacher, I don't mean to stereotype, but I need your opinion in English syntax and writing.. I feel like some people are using a lot of euphemisms and their points are being diluted like a Jane Austen novel in a train-wreck. Do you notice this? It might be the courier font, I'm not sure. |
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Date: July 23rd, 2008 11:55 AM Author: talented windowlicker stage "I feel like some people are using a lot of euphemisms and their points are being diluted like a Jane Austen novel in a train-wreck. "
Yeppers. I'm inclined to agree. I blame "business-speak" for a lot of it and political correctness for most of the rest.
In an attempt to make largely unscientific endeavors sound (falsely) scientific, people have managed to make a living making up (or misappropriating) bullshit phrases like "future oriented", "synergy" (which is actually an obscure orthodox theology term), self-concept, etc.
The consulting industry, HR, corporate psychology (they've pioneered euphemism and making the obvious seem obscure) seem to be the cottage industries most to blame for these phenomena.
You read Dilbert?
So was it ESL? |