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Date: July 2nd, 2008 9:17 PM Author: Startled site goal in life Only about 30-40% of Wharton Undergrads go back to get their MBA's, so for those who go into i-banking out of college, how do they transition from an analyst to an associate if they don't get their MBA's? Or do Wharton Undergrads become associates right out of college? And what type of wharton grad goes back for their MBA anyways? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=831320&forum_id=1#9939933) |
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Date: July 9th, 2008 7:24 PM Author: Startled site goal in life bump, someone's gotta know (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=831320&forum_id=1#9958816) |
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Date: July 9th, 2008 8:44 PM Author: razzle crystalline casino there are always analysts that make that jump. apparently, more of them might do so and have other options. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=831320&forum_id=1#9959007) |
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Date: July 10th, 2008 7:40 AM Author: electric market preventive strike dont want to out myself, but lets just say I have close friends who will make 120k+ next year. One friend, for example, is working at one of the top 3 private equity firms with wharton and harvard MBAs. It is rare to see undergrads become associates right out of college, but they dont need business school.
before I say anything, let me just preface by saying wharton undergrads dont think the wharton MBAs are that smart (performance in school at least, but the admissions standards are different, etc)
MBAs and undergrads take the same places, but on different curves- the MBA average typically is a std. dev. below the undergrad's
Also, there is a track at bulge banks to become associates from analysts. Spending two years at business school is two years that one could spend at the bank learning more, and for superstars at banks, business school doesn't make sense.
You can ask the headhunters at goldman, etc. They hire a lot of analysts, but they don't know who the superstars are. Once they find out (after a year of having them work there), then they are put on the promotion track. There are different tracks for different division.
The type of wharton grad who go back for their MBAs are the ones who need business school for some reason. They might be mgmt and need the right credentials (although most wharton undergrads go into finance). Or they just need a boost in their career and or stuck. For the most part, if a wharton undergrad needs an MBA hes probably not as impressive as those in the top 10% of the class and are stars. |
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Date: July 10th, 2008 10:17 AM Author: razzle crystalline casino "before I say anything, let me just preface by saying wharton undergrads dont think the wharton MBAs are that smart"
yep, competition is much tougher for the undergrads |
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Date: July 11th, 2008 11:32 AM Author: learning disabled bateful lettuce "wharton undergrads dont think the wharton MBAs are that smart"
Business undergrads are stupid in general. I don't care if it is Wharton. |
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Date: July 11th, 2008 2:52 PM Author: Aggressive tattoo I wouldn't say they're stupid, but narrow-minded, type-A, and status-obsessed (as a rule with plenty of exceptions). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=831320&forum_id=1#9964332) |
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Date: July 11th, 2008 3:21 PM Author: learning disabled bateful lettuce I was just taking the piss out of the OP. I have a lot of business major friends who are good people. I've yet to meet a Wharton alum, but if they're anything like this guy, I'll pass:
http://johnfitzgeraldpage.com/default.aspx |
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Date: July 11th, 2008 3:49 PM Author: Aggressive tattoo ahahaha...yeah, i've seen that before. Looks like just about every guy in every bar in Manhattan.
But, as with every group, I'm sure you can't really pigeonhole the "typical" Wharton student. You can just create fun/therapeutic stereotypes, as we have.
*edit: The funniest thing about this Page guy is that he "took classes" at Wharton and "traveled extensively"...to Aruba, St. Thomas, Zurich, and 38 cities in the United States! Quite the globetrotter. |
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Date: July 11th, 2008 4:00 PM Author: learning disabled bateful lettuce You've forgotten how this works: He doesn't need to impress you--you need to impress him and meet his criteria. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=831320&forum_id=1#9964566) |
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Date: July 11th, 2008 4:11 PM Author: Aggressive tattoo lol...classic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=831320&forum_id=1#9964598) |
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Date: July 11th, 2008 4:56 PM Author: razzle crystalline casino looks like he does ok for himself (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=831320&forum_id=1#9964765) |
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Date: July 11th, 2008 7:42 PM Author: electric market preventive strike they are most definitely smart. many, if not most can go to med school if they tried or phds (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=831320&forum_id=1#9965173) |
Date: July 9th, 2008 8:56 PM Author: black organic girlfriend wow, bothered still posts, still kike threads, only a wgwag decline make me remember these past few weeks have been my first in probably a year. but anyway, in general, the analyst program is 2 years. top analysts are offered a third year analyst position which is almost like a junior associate and depending on hwo business is and how well they do, are offered associate positions. This was fairly commonplace before the tech burst but a little less common from 03-07 as most top analysts went to pe shops
edit: specifically regarding wharton, it would make sense more of them woudl make the jump, they are probably innately smarter and have a better education than their peers. the type of wharton student who goes back to get an mba is the same as someone from stern, sloan, olin, or harvard. one who isn't good enough, doesn't work hard enough, and/or is in a bad economy. |
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Date: July 10th, 2008 5:21 PM Author: crimson violent fat ankles http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/wharton/surveys/WhartonAlumniSurveyReport2007.pdf
some of them get grad degrees other than mbas, it's not that most wharton UGs are ungodly superstars or something. Only 1/3rd of the class of 92 ended up not getting a grad degree
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Date: July 11th, 2008 8:23 AM Author: electric market preventive strike i daresay the '08 class is a lot better than the '92 class. Penn has changed a lot in the last 16 years (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=831320&forum_id=1#9963466) |
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Date: July 11th, 2008 11:12 AM Author: crimson violent fat ankles yeah, the same is true for every school. GOI (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=831320&forum_id=1#9963693) |
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Date: July 11th, 2008 9:28 AM Author: learning disabled bateful lettuce SHUT UP WHARTON GRADS ARE GODLY IBANKING STUDS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=831320&forum_id=1#9963527) |
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Date: July 11th, 2008 2:54 PM Author: Aggressive tattoo but according to duckstamper, their MBA students get laughed out of West Philadelphia (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=831320&forum_id=1#9964339) |
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Date: July 11th, 2008 7:28 PM Author: cream immigrant son of senegal yeah some of them go onto phd in econ/finance or do other advanced degrees. and not all work in business. so we don't know whether or not the ones not going back for mba are in business and have received these promotions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=831320&forum_id=1#9965139) |