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Date: May 30th, 2006 7:28 AM Author: Galvanic Library Subject: The Model Students- Nicholas Kristof Op-Ed Columnist- NYTimes http://select.nytimes.com/2006/05/14/opinion/14kristof.html?pagewanted=print
The New York Times
May 14, 2006 Op-Ed Columnist The Model Students By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
Why are Asian-Americans so good at school? Or, to put it another way, why is Xuan-Trang Ho so perfect?
Trang came to the United States in 1994 as an 11-year-old Vietnamese girl who spoke no English. Her parents, neither having more than a high school education, settled in Nebraska and found jobs as manual laborers.
The youngest of eight children, Trang learned English well enough that when she graduated from high school, she was valedictorian. Now she is a senior at Nebraska Wesleyan with a 3.99 average, a member of the USA Today All-USA College Academic Team and a new Rhodes Scholar.
Increasingly in America, stellar academic achievement has an Asian face. In 2005, Asian-Americans averaged a combined math-verbal SAT of 1091, compared with 1068 for whites, 982 for American Indians, 922 for Hispanics and 864 for blacks. Forty-four percent of Asian-American students take calculus in high school, compared with 28 percent of all students.
Among whites, 2 percent score 750 or better in either the math or verbal SAT. Among Asian-Americans, 3 percent beat 750 in verbal, and 8 percent in math. Frankly, you sometimes feel at an intellectual disadvantage if your great-grandparents weren't peasants in an Asian village.
So I asked Trang why Asian-Americans do so well in school.
"I can't speak for all Asian-Americans," Trang told me, "but for me and my friends, it was because of the sacrifices that our parents made. ... It's so difficult to see my parents get up at 5 each morning to go to factories to earn $6.30 an hour. I see that there is so much that I can do in America that my parents couldn't."
Of course, not all Asian-Americans are so painfully perfect — Filipinos are among the largest groups of Asian-Americans and they do very well without being stellar. Success goes particularly to those whose ancestors came from the Confucian belt from Japan through Korea and China to Vietnam.
It's not just the immigrant mentality, for Japanese-American students are mostly fourth- and fifth-generation now, and they're still excelling. Nor is it just about family background, for Chinese-Americans who trace their origins to peasant villages also graduate summa.
One theory percolating among some geneticists is that in societies that were among the first with occupations that depended on brains, genetic selection may have raised I.Q.'s slightly — a theory suggesting that maybe Asians are just smarter. But I'm skeptical, partly because so much depends on context.
In the U.S., for example, ethnic Koreans are academic stars. But in Japan, ethnic Koreans languish in an underclass, often doing poorly in schools and becoming involved in the yakuza mafia. One lesson may be that if you discriminate against a minority and repeatedly shove its members off the social escalator, then you create pathologies of self-doubt that can become self-sustaining.
So then why do Asian-Americans really succeed in school? Aside from immigrant optimism, I see two and a half reasons:
First, as Trang suggests, is the filial piety nurtured by Confucianism for 2,500 years. Teenagers rebel all over the world, but somehow Asian-American kids often manage both to exasperate and to finish their homework. And Asian-American families may not always be warm and fuzzy, but they tend to be intact and focused on their children's getting ahead.
Second, Confucianism encourages a reverence for education. In Chinese villages, you still sometimes see a monument to a young man who centuries ago passed the jinshi exam — the Ming dynasty equivalent of getting a perfect SAT. In a Confucian culture, it is intuitive that the way to achieve glory and success is by working hard and getting A's.
Then there's the half-reason: American kids typically say in polls that the students who succeed in school are the "brains." Asian kids typically say that the A students are those who work hard. That means no Asian-American ever has an excuse for not becoming valedictorian.
"Anybody can be smart, can do great on standardized tests," Trang explains. "But unless you work hard, you're not going to do well."
If I'm right, the success of Asian-Americans is mostly about culture, and there's no way to transplant a culture. But there are lessons we can absorb, and maybe the easiest is that respect for education pays dividends. That can come, for example, in the form of higher teacher salaries, or greater public efforts to honor star students. While there are no magic bullets, we would be fools not to try to learn some Asian lessons.
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Date: May 30th, 2006 7:32 AM Author: Galvanic Library Hey, NYCFan, Xuan-Trang Ho, did not go to Harvard College, or the Ivies, and elite LACs, which limit the numbers of Asian Americans with racial quotas.
Now she is a senior at Nebraska Wesleyan with a 3.99 average, a member of the USA Today All-USA College Academic Team and a new Rhodes Scholar.
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Date: May 30th, 2006 9:13 AM Author: Godawful degenerate idea he suggested You mean to say did not go (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=425058&forum_id=1#5878447) |
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Date: May 30th, 2006 9:16 AM Author: Cheese-eating address pozpig it totally lost its oomph. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=425058&forum_id=1#5878452) |
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Date: May 30th, 2006 10:49 AM Author: Galvanic Library Thanks for the correction. Will edit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=425058&forum_id=1#5878742) |
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Date: May 30th, 2006 9:30 AM Author: maize personal credit line An interesting observation:
"In the U.S., for example, ethnic Koreans are academic stars. But in Japan, ethnic Koreans languish in an underclass, often doing poorly in schools and becoming involved in the yakuza mafia. One lesson may be that if you discriminate against a minority and repeatedly shove its members off the social escalator, then you create pathologies of self-doubt that can become self-sustaining."
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Date: May 30th, 2006 10:31 AM Author: Galvanic Library Exactly, the problem is a cultural problem also, as it is with URMs in America, but this problem is not solved with race preferences of any kind which most certainly, "create pathologies of self-doubt that can become self-sustaining." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=425058&forum_id=1#5878684) |
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Date: May 30th, 2006 4:19 PM Author: maize personal credit line With all due respect, I don’t see where Kristof weighs in on “race preferences of any kind.” Ethnic Koreans thrive in the U.S., but they are relegated to underclass status in Japan as result of discrimination. When a group is “repeatedly shove[d] … off the social escalator,” affirmative action may be one of the few ways to break the “self-sustaining” cycle – whether the AA is for Koreans in Japan or African Americans in the U.S..
It’s not a simple problem to solve.
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Date: May 30th, 2006 6:55 PM Author: Galvanic Library Leon, Kristof is not trained to proclaim that race based AA is a way to break this self-sustaining cycle. He gave reasons and explanations as to why Asian Americans are model students, despite being poor , attending the worse k-12 schools in black and latino districts, yet they achieve on the average, much higher than blacks, and especially whites despite growing up in an impoverished setting with parents not knowing a word of English, slaving away at menial jobs. These Asian Americans are not beneficiaries of AA, but in fact kept out of elite colleges with anti-Asian quotas. The main word is *culture* with perseverance, motivation and high work ethic. They aren't really smarter, but they surely WORK HARDER. There is nothing wrong with this and there is everything right about this. No *bullshit* and excuses!
Many researchers and scholars have written about the fact that race-based AA is perpetuating and sustaining this cycle, not *breakin* it. These scholars include Prof. Thomas Sowell and UC Berkeley Professor, John W. McWhorter, both prominent Afro-Americans, who described race based AA for blacks as perpetuating this viscious cycle for underclass blacks being placed in the roles of perpetual victms and using "victimhood" as excuse for not using self-help and self-pride. |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 7:57 AM Author: Galvanic Library Leon, please respond to my posts above. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=425058&forum_id=1#6059508) |
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Date: May 30th, 2006 10:33 AM Author: Galvanic Library Leon, the bottomline, according to Kristof:
[If I'm right, the success of Asian-Americans is mostly about culture, and there's no way to transplant a culture. But there are lessons we can absorb, and maybe the easiest is that respect for education pays dividends. That can come, for example, in the form of higher teacher salaries, or greater public efforts to honor star students. While there are no magic bullets, we would be fools not to try to learn some Asian lessons.]
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Date: May 30th, 2006 10:38 AM Author: Godawful degenerate idea he suggested "That can come, for example, in the form of higher teacher salaries, or greater public efforts to honor star students."
What does this have to do with anything? Teachers salaries are actually underrated considering they get summers off as well as vacation time during the school year. |
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Date: May 30th, 2006 10:44 AM Author: Galvanic Library You are correct. That's the politically correct line fostered by the teacher's unions of America, which are part of the problem. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=425058&forum_id=1#5878729) |
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Date: June 29th, 2006 10:39 PM Author: Godawful degenerate idea he suggested In order of most important, what would you rank as factors including teacher unions? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=425058&forum_id=1#6107386) |
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Date: May 30th, 2006 2:11 PM Author: marvelous main people what the? this article reads almost word for word exactly the same as another article I read a while ago... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=425058&forum_id=1#5879511) |
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Date: June 1st, 2006 6:20 AM Author: Galvanic Library What other article a while ago? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=425058&forum_id=1#5887068) |
Date: May 30th, 2006 1:46 PM Author: Bateful sanctuary I've never been, but I have the feeling that getting a 3.99 at Nebraska Wesleyan isn't all that difficult; it's probably as easy as getting a 3.99 at Harvard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=425058&forum_id=1#5879388) |
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Date: May 30th, 2006 2:06 PM Author: Motley balding pistol national maybe. but a lot of those small, random LAC's also have severe grade deflation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=425058&forum_id=1#5879490) |
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Date: May 30th, 2006 3:08 PM Author: Razzmatazz misunderstood french chef also i think a lot of them take pride in being less inflated than harvard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=425058&forum_id=1#5879728) |
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Date: May 31st, 2006 8:32 AM Author: Galvanic Library Harvard's GPAs are the most inflated. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=425058&forum_id=1#5883283) |
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Date: May 30th, 2006 5:21 PM Author: tantric gas station depressive I think it's the "You're a fucking worthless POS failure if you don't get straight A's" mentality which drove us to be good students
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Date: May 30th, 2006 5:29 PM Author: Bateful sanctuary You mean the side that the white people who write these articles don't see? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=425058&forum_id=1#5880124) |
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Date: May 30th, 2006 5:46 PM Author: tantric gas station depressive yes'm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=425058&forum_id=1#5880168) |
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Date: June 28th, 2006 6:13 PM Author: Galvanic Library Yankees win! Chen Ming Wang pitched a great game as a starter for 8 innings for the NY Yankees with his 96 mi/hr sinker and they beat the Braves with a walk-off homer by A-Rod today in 12 innings. |
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Date: July 21st, 2006 2:07 PM Author: Galvanic Library The poster jmod should read this thread. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=425058&forum_id=1#6267010) |
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Date: July 29th, 2006 5:40 PM Author: Galvanic Library Chien-Ming Wang of the Yankees pitched a two-hit shutout in a 6-0 victory over the Tampa Bay Devil Rays last night at Yankee Stadium,
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/29/sports/baseball/29yankees.html?_r=1&th=&oref=slogin&emc=th&pagewanted=print |
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Date: September 9th, 2006 8:12 AM Author: Galvanic Library ishbananas, read this thread. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=425058&forum_id=1#6583812) |