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Breaking News: 1 Dalton Applicant Gets In Off HARVARD Waitlist

From the NY Post (See Editors' Note at the bottom of the story)
Electric magical community account
  07/08/08
For nice pics of all the upscale NYC prep schools, see the link:
Electric magical community account
  07/08/08
This is not "breaking news"
Arousing parlor gaming laptop
  07/08/08
HarvardHarvardHarvardHarvardHarvardHarvardHarvardHarvardHarv...
Ivory bbw corner
  07/08/08
Yes it is - according to the NY Post.
Electric magical community account
  07/08/08
The NY Post needs to get a job
Arousing parlor gaming laptop
  07/08/08
Gee, the Post has always given big coverage to DARTMOUTH stories
Electric magical community account
  07/08/08
what's your point?
Arousing parlor gaming laptop
  07/09/08
This all seems a bit ridiculous...
free-loading weed whacker house
  07/08/08
dude, that's chump change for many nyc-ites.
beady-eyed flushed crackhouse factory reset button
  07/08/08
you went to Cornell?
Arousing parlor gaming laptop
  07/08/08
swat
beady-eyed flushed crackhouse factory reset button
  07/08/08
you went to Cornell? What a dumbass. I'm going to a higher r...
Arousing parlor gaming laptop
  07/08/08
why the hate?
dull field potus
  07/08/08
penn
beady-eyed flushed crackhouse factory reset button
  07/09/08
Good for you...
free-loading weed whacker house
  07/08/08
The point is, the elites are so competitive with one another...
Arousing parlor gaming laptop
  07/08/08
To quote the Pigs' Proclamation in 'Animal Farm':
Electric magical community account
  07/08/08
Wow, I didn't know Dartmouth students had inferiority comple...
slimy scarlet space
  07/11/08
One of the ideas behind his comment was that you can save a ...
Arousing parlor gaming laptop
  07/11/08
Credited. My public magnet (not even famous) had twenty or s...
Titillating queen of the night
  07/08/08
"Hell three of those seven kids parents didn't even go ...
self-absorbed kitty home
  07/10/08
You know how over-preparing for a test can doom you? It's t...
provocative mahogany circlehead heaven
  07/11/08
it is always a poor idea to justify sub-optimizing in those...
beady-eyed flushed crackhouse factory reset button
  07/11/08
you've become a parody of yourself.
aphrodisiac ape sandwich
  07/08/08
'Private High Schools’ Secret Shame' (New York Magazine)
Electric magical community account
  07/08/08
private schools just need to up their game
beady-eyed flushed crackhouse factory reset button
  07/09/08
OMFG! STOP THE PRESSES! TELL THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES!!...
provocative mahogany circlehead heaven
  07/11/08


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Date: July 8th, 2008 12:39 PM
Author: Electric magical community account
Subject: From the NY Post (See Editors' Note at the bottom of the story)

Private School Rejects

New York City parents were up in arms as one of the most renowned prep schools in town—Dalton—reportedly failed to get any of its ’08 grads admitted to Harvard. But is it the school’s fault, or are parents expecting the impossible?

By Annie Karni

In the past, Dalton has had as many as seven students accepted early at Harvard. Not this year.

At the prestigious Dalton School, on Manhattan’s Upper East Side, administrators can’t remember the last time a graduating senior class experienced a “Harvard drought.” In the past, it wasn’t unusual for as many as seven students to be accepted through early admission to the top Ivy League institution, says a guidance counselor there. But for the first time in memory, inside sources say, no Dalton students will be shipping off to Harvard come fall. And some parents—who shell out $31,200 a year for their kids’ private school education—are pissed.

At Dalton’s graduation earlier this month, one mom was heard muttering, “I won’t send my grandchildren here, that’s for sure.” Another frustrated parent says she “had to use personal connections” to get her Dalton-educated daughter, who had an A-minus average and near-perfect SAT scores, into Johns Hopkins this fall. She says: “The consensus is that the school took its eye off what it’s supposed to be about”—that is, getting kids into Ivy League schools or, more specifically, the holy trifecta of Harvard, Yale and Princeton. “One of the things I looked at in picking a high school is what kind of colleges the students got into,” the parent continues. “But [Dalton] wasn’t focused on preparing these kids to get into college. The parents who trusted the school to do the job got screwed.” Of course, Johns Hopkins—rated the 14th-best university in the country in ’08 by U.S. News & World Report—is hardly sloppy seconds. But the need to strive for the best is just another extreme example of the NYC helicopter-parent stereotype (that is, parents who hover over their children’s every move).

Among nine parents interviewed for this story, many say the Dalton guidance counselors “lowballed” students. “They encouraged one girl who later got into Brown to shoot for Syracuse University,” says a disgruntled Dalton parent. Bev Taylor, the founder of the Ivy Coach (an independent college admissions counseling service), confirms that lowballing is common at prep schools, whose worst nightmare is being stuck with graduating seniors who haven’t been admitted to any college at all. “The last thing any school wants is for a kid not to get in anywhere,” says Bev, who charges clients a flat rate of $46,000 for tutoring on how to get into the top colleges, and starts working with some students as early as the seventh grade. “Schools worry that ­parents would sue them, so they play it safe and lowball students who can probably get into

better colleges.”

While Dalton does not make its college admissions list public, administrators say they are pleased with how their students fared. “We focus on achieving the right match for each student,” says head of school Ellen Stein. “We are proud of the fact that, once again, a very high percentage of our students were accepted at one of their top choices.”

Dalton isn’t the only Manhattan prep school that won’t be represented in Harvard’s freshman class come fall. This year marks the first time in five years that no students from Marymount, a private school for girls on Fifth Avenue at East 84th Street, were admitted to Harvard—though, according to teachers at the school (who declined to give their names for this story), 10 girls from a graduating class of 49 applied. Last year, Marymount sent four students to Harvard from a graduating class of 44.

Students at Manhattan private schools like Chapin are finding it harder than ever to get into Ivy League schools.

Photo: Steven Hirsch

Students at Manhattan private schools like Chapin are finding it harder than ever to get into Ivy League schools.

While high SAT scores and grade point averages, extracurricular activities and privileges such as a $46,000 private guidance counselor were once expected to guarantee admission to Ivy League schools, that’s not the case anymore. And for private schoolers who have grown up with their eyes on the Ivies, the idea of getting a good education at a less prestigious school is little comfort.

“My best friend had his heart set on Duke, but got rejected,” says 18-year-old Tom Iadecola, who graduated from Dalton and will be attending Brown in the fall. “He’s going to Johns Hopkins, but people going to their backup schools, like Wesleyan or Hopkins, are acting like it’s a fate worse than death.”

In recent years, the college admissions process has become more competitive than ever for both public and private school students across the country. The rates of admission at elite colleges dipped to record lows in ’08, with just 7.1 percent of Harvard ­applicants getting in, compared to 9 percent the year before. At Yale, the ­acceptance rate in ’08 was 8.5 percent, down from 9.9 percent in ’07.

This year wasn’t a wash for everyone. The Trinity School on the Upper West Side, with a graduating class of 107 students, is sending six students to Harvard, seven to Yale and two to Princeton. The Horace Mann School, with a graduating class of 173, is sending nine students to Yale, nine to Princeton and eight to Harvard (including Eliot Spitzer’s daughter, Elyssa). But “most people I know are not going to their first-choice schools,” says one Horace Mann grad who was admitted to Cornell University only as a guaranteed transfer sophomore year, and will attend Syracuse in the fall. “A lot of my friends who expected Ivies are ending up at

Tulane and Vanderbilt instead.”

Three factors are making college admissions more competitive than ever: First, there are a record 3.3 million high school students graduating in ’08, according to the federal Department of Education. Second, students are applying to a greater number of colleges. And third, universities are overhauling financial aid policies to make an Ivy League education more affordable to lower- and middle-income families.

Horace Mann.

As a result, it seems private schools are feeling the heat more than their public counterparts. “The Ivies are reaching out for a diverse economic background—even home-schooled students are becoming more of a thing,” says one guidance counselor at a private school in Manhattan. “They are interested in first-generation college kids, and few privates have that. The Ivies are still good to legacies [children of alumni] if their alums have been good to them. But it’s getting harder for private school students because it’s getting fairer for the rest of the world.”

“Our low-income initiative has repositioned us,” agrees Marlyn McGrath, Harvard’s director of undergraduate admissions. Harvard, Princeton, Yale and other top-tier schools have replaced loans with grants in financial aid packages, which has encouraged students who wouldn’t have been able to afford the schools in the past to apply. “A lot of people are starting to think about Harvard when otherwise their state university might have been on the top of their list.”

One local example of this brave new world is public school student Lukasz Zbylut, who just graduated from Brooklyn’s New Utrecht High School. After rejecting offers from 18 top colleges, including Yale, Princeton, Stanford and Dartmouth, he plans to attend Harvard University come fall. Lukasz’s parents are Polish immigrants, and his father works in construction in Brooklyn to support his wife and three children.

As if it wasn’t competitive enough already, Harvard is also admitting fewer students because of a housing shortage. According to Marlyn, the college received 27,472 applications for fall ’08, which represented a 20 percent increase in applicants at a time when it has reduced the size of its incoming freshman class for logistical reasons (there are fewer beds available this year because of rearrangements at the dormitories). In 2008, Harvard accepted 1,948 students, as compared to 2,058 the previous year.

Many guidance counselors at NYC private schools are trying to ease the tension surrounding the college admissions process by encouraging students to apply to schools that are a good fit for them, rather than just to the “brand-name” schools.

Marymount.

“But even so, a lot of New York parents have the ‘HYP or bust’ mentality,” says college counselor Bev, referring to Harvard, Yale and Princeton.

Some parents fault the schools for putting a cap on the number of colleges students can apply to. “The schools limit you to eight colleges,” says Louis Ekaireb, whose son, Austin, just graduated from Columbia Grammar and Preparatory School on the Upper West Side, and will be attending Washington University in St. Louis in the fall after getting accepted off the waiting list. “I was surprised—I thought, who are you to tell me [how many places] my son can apply to?”

While many parents want their kids to apply to as many Ivy League schools as possible to increase their chances of acceptance somewhere prestigious, guidance counselors often discourage students from applying to more than one of the premiere universities. “There’s a lot of jockeying that goes on with college advisors,” says Victoria Goldman, author of The Manhattan Family Guide to Private Schools. “They’re brokering. You don’t need the same kid getting into Yale and Harvard and Princeton. At the Collegiate School [on the Upper West Side], they won’t send your transcript out to a second college if you get in somewhere early, even if the admission isn’t binding.”

The number of graduating high school students is projected to decrease in 2015, and some colleges, including Yale, have announced plans to construct more dorms so they can admit more students in the future. But that’s little solace for current high school pupils. “It’s stressful for the kids in these prestigious private schools,” says philanthropist Suzanne Cochran, whose youngest son, Robby, just graduated from the Trinity School and will be attending Duke University come fall. “At our pre-prom cocktail party, everyone was still hoping to do better by getting in off the wait list. There are just tons of kids still on wait lists.” Harvard University, in fact, is still accepting students off its waiting list, dragging on the uncertainty and tension of the college admissions process well into the summer. “It’s becoming more of a global process, too, which is making it harder for everyone, and harder for private school students,” says Victoria. “It might be the most competitive thing next to the Olympics.”

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Editor's note: As we were going to press, we were informed that one student from Dalton was admitted to Harvard off of the wait list.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=832909&forum_id=1#9954350)





Date: July 8th, 2008 12:42 PM
Author: Electric magical community account
Subject: For nice pics of all the upscale NYC prep schools, see the link:

http://www.nypost.com/pagesixmag/issues/20080629/Private+School+Rejects?print=true1

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=832909&forum_id=1#9954358)





Date: July 8th, 2008 1:17 PM
Author: Arousing parlor gaming laptop

This is not "breaking news"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=832909&forum_id=1#9954453)





Date: July 8th, 2008 1:23 PM
Author: Ivory bbw corner

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=832909&forum_id=1#9954477)





Date: July 8th, 2008 5:32 PM
Author: Electric magical community account

Yes it is - according to the NY Post.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=832909&forum_id=1#9955118)





Date: July 8th, 2008 6:38 PM
Author: Arousing parlor gaming laptop

The NY Post needs to get a job

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=832909&forum_id=1#9955319)





Date: July 8th, 2008 6:57 PM
Author: Electric magical community account
Subject: Gee, the Post has always given big coverage to DARTMOUTH stories

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04302008/news/regionalnews/class_action_108764.htm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=832909&forum_id=1#9955376)





Date: July 9th, 2008 11:24 AM
Author: Arousing parlor gaming laptop

what's your point?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=832909&forum_id=1#9957347)





Date: July 8th, 2008 2:20 PM
Author: free-loading weed whacker house
Subject: This all seems a bit ridiculous...

Christ, these private school kids are a bunch of coddled little f(*&ks. $38,000 per year for high school? $46,000 for a private guidance counselor? "Personal Connections?" Just to get into college? Seriously? I wonder how these kids would have done if they had to get into college like normal kids, without Mommy and Daddy's money.

My public school sent 5 out of 37 graduating seniors to Ivy League schools (1 Harvard, 1 Columbia, 3 Cornell). Seven out of 37 were accepted to Ivies (one chose U of Chicago over Brown, one chose Amherst over Dartmouth). I ended up getting into Cornell, Dartmouth, and Princeton (went to Cornell). My friend who went to Columbia was also accepted to Duke, Cornell, and Penn. The girl who went to Harvard was accepted at all eight Ivies. A couple others went to Georgetown and Tufts. We didn't even have a school guidance counselor, much less $46,000 worth of essay writing services and SAT prep. Hell three of those seven kids parents didn't even go to college.

Its not rocket science. Here's how to save your parents $200K. Get straight A's, buy a SAT prep book and get a balanced SAT score over 1400 (before re-centering, not sure what that is equivalent to today), and be one of the following: captain of a varsity team, class officer, or editor of school paper. You'll get into at least one top 15 college, probably more than one.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=832909&forum_id=1#9954624)





Date: July 8th, 2008 2:24 PM
Author: beady-eyed flushed crackhouse factory reset button

dude, that's chump change for many nyc-ites.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=832909&forum_id=1#9954641)





Date: July 8th, 2008 3:58 PM
Author: Arousing parlor gaming laptop

you went to Cornell?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=832909&forum_id=1#9954876)





Date: July 8th, 2008 4:52 PM
Author: beady-eyed flushed crackhouse factory reset button

swat

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=832909&forum_id=1#9955023)





Date: July 8th, 2008 3:58 PM
Author: Arousing parlor gaming laptop

you went to Cornell? What a dumbass. I'm going to a higher ranked school, and only paying 10,000 to do so.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=832909&forum_id=1#9954878)





Date: July 8th, 2008 4:10 PM
Author: dull field potus

why the hate?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=832909&forum_id=1#9954920)





Date: July 9th, 2008 3:41 PM
Author: beady-eyed flushed crackhouse factory reset button

penn

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=832909&forum_id=1#9958143)





Date: July 8th, 2008 4:17 PM
Author: free-loading weed whacker house
Subject: Good for you...

Well whoopty freakin doo! Good for you kid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=832909&forum_id=1#9954941)





Date: July 8th, 2008 6:42 PM
Author: Arousing parlor gaming laptop

The point is, the elites are so competitive with one another these days in terms of student attraction that it's not hard (unless you are wealthy and can afford it easily) to get a fine financial aid package at many top schools.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=832909&forum_id=1#9955330)





Date: July 8th, 2008 7:02 PM
Author: Electric magical community account
Subject: To quote the Pigs' Proclamation in 'Animal Farm':

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=832909&forum_id=1#9955389)





Date: July 11th, 2008 2:40 AM
Author: slimy scarlet space

Wow, I didn't know Dartmouth students had inferiority complexes when it came to Cornell students. No reason to bash him for choosing Cornell over Dartmouth or Princeton.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=832909&forum_id=1#9962920)





Date: July 11th, 2008 9:08 AM
Author: Arousing parlor gaming laptop

One of the ideas behind his comment was that you can save a lot of money, etc..

The point is, many elites have gotten to the point that the average kid can save a whole lot of money, due to more competitive financial aid rates and initiatives.

And I think assuming inferiority from this situation is abit of a stretch. At most, grudge, but that still isn't the case.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=832909&forum_id=1#9963501)





Date: July 8th, 2008 7:29 PM
Author: Titillating queen of the night

Credited. My public magnet (not even famous) had twenty or so target schools, which were roughly the US News "National Universities" in the top fifteen and the top four "Liberal Arts Colleges." Only two kids out of thirty eight could not get into at least one by working hard and cleaning up on the SAT.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=832909&forum_id=1#9955436)





Date: July 10th, 2008 10:58 PM
Author: self-absorbed kitty home

"Hell three of those seven kids parents didn't even go to college."

Did you read the fucking article? It says prestigious schools are passing over private school kids to take more applicants whose parents didn't go to college- your comment BOLSTERS the article's point, dipshit.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=832909&forum_id=1#9962242)





Date: July 11th, 2008 11:41 AM
Author: provocative mahogany circlehead heaven

You know how over-preparing for a test can doom you? It's the same with these uber-polished applicants to top schools. Too much preparation can push students right into the realm of the common and mundane. Adcoms are running out of excuses to continue accepting cookie-cutter private school kids and Asian robots over people with more engaging, "scrappy" backgrounds.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=832909&forum_id=1#9963770)





Date: July 11th, 2008 1:34 PM
Author: beady-eyed flushed crackhouse factory reset button

it is always a poor idea to justify sub-optimizing in those terms

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=832909&forum_id=1#9964065)





Date: July 8th, 2008 4:48 PM
Author: aphrodisiac ape sandwich

you've become a parody of yourself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=832909&forum_id=1#9955016)





Date: July 8th, 2008 8:09 PM
Author: Electric magical community account
Subject: 'Private High Schools’ Secret Shame' (New York Magazine)

Atrocities are being committed behind these walls.

Something is rotten at Dalton. This year for the first time in memory, not a single student at the prep school is going to Harvard. One student did not get into even Duke! And reportedly the school encouraged one student to go apply at — and do not read on if you are faint of heart, okay? — Syracuse. TRUE STORY.

And it's not just Dalton.

“Most people I know are not going to their first-choice schools,” says one Horace Mann grad who was admitted to Cornell University only as a guaranteed transfer sophomore year, and will attend Syracuse in the fall. “A lot of my friends who expected Ivies are ending up at Tulane and Vanderbilt instead.”

Tulane! Vanderbilt! They might as well go to the University of My Balls, out in the Ozarks! And to think: Little Lukasz Zbylut, son of Polish immigrants, got into practically all the Ivies and is going to Harvard in the fall. How is that possible?

"The Ivies are reaching out for a diverse economic background—even home-schooled students are becoming more of a thing,” says one guidance counselor at a private school in Manhattan. "The Ivies are still good to legacies [children of alumni] if their alums have been good to them. But it’s getting harder for private school students because it’s getting fairer for the rest of the world."

Outrage! Commie bastards! So what are private schools even for if not for giving overprivileged and unintelligent children a leg up on gifted Polish nerds? Has the affirmative-action program* in which the rich have long partaken run its course?

Not totally.

Another frustrated parent says she “had to use personal connections” to get her Dalton-educated daughter … into Johns Hopkins this fall.

Yeah. The Zybluts of the world can take away some of the rich's advantages, but they will not take away their freedom to network!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=832909&forum_id=1#9955502)





Date: July 9th, 2008 3:38 PM
Author: beady-eyed flushed crackhouse factory reset button

private schools just need to up their game

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=832909&forum_id=1#9958132)





Date: July 11th, 2008 11:34 AM
Author: provocative mahogany circlehead heaven

OMFG! STOP THE PRESSES! TELL THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES!! THIS IS BIG STUFF!!!!111111

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=832909&forum_id=1#9963745)