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Do people at Upenn CAS lie and say they are at Wharton?
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Date: March 19th, 2006 2:25 AM Author: magical demanding den potus Seems a lot of them would. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=382513&forum_id=1#5372047) |
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Date: March 19th, 2006 8:56 AM Author: vivacious pearl parlour do random kids on message boards lie and say they go to princeton?
it seems like lots of them would.
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Date: April 11th, 2006 11:45 PM Author: Cyan business firm sweet tailpipe No, they don't. College kids have about the same acceptance rate as Wharton students. The only difference is in INTEREST, not in quality of students. There is definitely a rivalry between the two schools, but neither have an inferiority complex. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=382513&forum_id=1#5564979) |
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Date: April 12th, 2006 12:26 AM Author: Odious pearly resort ug wharton is a waste of money. if i was a cas student, id make fun of people at wharton. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=382513&forum_id=1#5565261) |
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Date: April 12th, 2006 1:09 AM Author: Dead hunting ground sex offender They are laughing all the way to the bank:
10 years out: 200k 15 years out: 240k 20 years out: 350k
http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/wharton/surveys/WhartonAlumniSurveyReport.pdf
These are not amazing numbers, but they are A LOT better than your average Penn CAS student. A lot of Wharton graduates do not even need an MBA to make this much. |
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Date: April 12th, 2006 2:39 PM Author: Excitant naked toilet seat area If you are a moderately smart person at the level of Penn CAS, then if you want to make money it's not difficult. Anyone can do it. The majority of students at Wharton do it because that's their sole purpose for going to school. I don't understand why idiot college sophomores use bullshit salary statistics to proclaim superiority. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=382513&forum_id=1#5568696) |
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Date: April 12th, 2006 6:45 PM Author: Dead hunting ground sex offender The poster above claimed it was "a waste of money." But if the Wharton education provides a good rate of return this is not true. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=382513&forum_id=1#5569927) |
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Date: April 12th, 2006 1:01 AM Author: Dead hunting ground sex offender They do have different interests.
Wharton students are interested in being employable; College kids are interested in being untalented and unemployable.
"neither have an inferiority complex."
CAS students are not interested in proper grammar. |
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Date: April 12th, 2006 2:13 AM Author: sexy senate all ibanks at penn take students from both cas and wharton. wharton kids arent well rounded while college kids are. both attend the same orientation training and so the cas student isnt at any obvious disadvantage when it comes to on the job skills. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=382513&forum_id=1#5566025) |
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Date: April 12th, 2006 2:14 AM Author: Dead hunting ground sex offender "all ibanks at penn take students from both cas and wharton. wharton kids arent well rounded while college kids are. both attend the same orientation training and so the cas student isnt at any obvious disadvantage when it comes to on the job skills."
They are at a disadvantage when it comes to actually getting the job. |
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Date: April 12th, 2006 2:18 AM Author: sexy senate the statistics of those from the college who apply and get jobs with ibanks is generally very high, probably due to the grade inflation in the college which results in us having high GPAs making us more competitive for bulge firms than someone fighting the wharton curve which at times can be absolutely ridiculous
edit: i know several liberal arts majors with absolutely no experience - not even the summer analyst internship who got call backs this year with goldman for the fulltime analyst position
edit #2: also i dont see the use of attacking penn cas for being a liberal arts division when ever other school in the ivy league lacks a business component. the majority of cas kids go on to med or law school anyway |
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Date: April 12th, 2006 2:26 AM Author: Dead hunting ground sex offender "probably due to the grade inflation in the college which results in us having high GPAs making us more competitive for bulge firms than someone fighting the wharton curve which at times can be absolutely ridiculous"
I think employers know about the Wharton curve.
"i know several liberal arts majors with absolutely no experience - not even the summer analyst internship who got call backs this year with goldman for the fulltime analyst position"
But these people will not be in i-banking ten years from now. They are being weeded out; they just don't realize it. Wharton grads last longer in i-banking. Wharton grads also go into i-banking in larger numbers. |
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Date: April 12th, 2006 10:55 AM Author: sexy senate you can't go around making statements like "wharton grads last longer in ibanking" without explaining them. that makes absolutely no sense-at least substantiate your arguments. do you have numbers to back up any of your statements or are you just making this up?
also most college students go into law or medicine
edit: are you in high school? just curious |
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Date: April 12th, 2006 11:38 AM Author: Dead hunting ground sex offender "you can't go around making statements like "wharton grads last longer in ibanking" without explaining them."
There are about 46 CAS graduates in financial services (about 20 are probably Wharton/CAS joint degree--30 CAS/Wharton responded and about 66% respond to the salary part) from the 1986/87 class reporting their salary.
There are about 80 Wharton grads (in the same 1986/87 class according to the survey; much lower response rate, there are probably more) working in financial services.
From this we can conclude that there are about 26 CAS graduates (of the 1986/87 class responding) in i-banking and about 80 Wharton grads (of the 1986/87 class responding) in i-banking.
Since so many CAS students go into i-banking (as you claim) it is strange that Wharton (with 1/3 the number of students) has more people in i-banking. Since it is so much easier to get hired from CAS one can only assume that they do not last very long. Unless you want to take back your earlier statement that CAS and Wharton are on par when it comes to getting hired in i-banking.
"also most college students go into law or medicine"
You seem to be on the verge of arguing that CAS graduates "prefer" careers like medicine and law to i-banking (realizing Wharton dominance in i-banking). It's great that CAS graduates go into law and medicine. Those careers pay less than i-banking (according to the salary surveys in these links). Maybe CAS graduates are just interested in making less money than Wharton grads. On a related note, I know several acting majors who "can" become famous Hollywood actors but instead "choose" to act in regional productions paying very little. I wonder why people make choices like this. Is it because they never had the choice to begin with? I also had the option of being a Rhodes scholar, but did not want to live in England for two years (sarcasm in case you missed it).
Wharton salary survey:
http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/wharton/surveys/WhartonAlumniSurveyReport.pdf
CAS salary survey:
http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/college/report_2001.pdf
Also: People engage in ad hominem attacks when they feel they are losing an argument. At least come up with something more creative (as a CAS student I am sure you are just "interested" in using a cliche). I am sorry you got rejected from Wharton.
EDIT: There is nothing wrong with law or medicine as a career. But stop pretending that CAS and Wharton grads are on par in i-banking. You seem to be claiming that it is easier from CAS. |
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Date: April 12th, 2006 12:58 PM Author: alcoholic canary dingle berry sanctuary this is ridiculous. i didn't see an explanation for your remark (although i didn't look very hard, because it's not worth it) about CAS grads getting weeded out. that is such a typical dumbass xoxo prestige-whore remark.
if they leave the industry, that's one thing, but saying that they get "weeded out" due to what they majored in back in college is so fucking naive. |
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Date: April 12th, 2006 2:28 PM Author: Cyan business firm sweet tailpipe Um...I don't know where you are getting your numbers from, but the survey for Wharton reports the average salary for alumni of the Wharton undergraduate school as 158k and for the College it was 166k. So, according to your link, CAS students make more than Wharton alumni when you look at alumni from 1986-87. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=382513&forum_id=1#5568655) |
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Date: April 12th, 2006 3:02 PM Author: Dead hunting ground sex offender "So, according to your link, CAS students make more than Wharton alumni when you look at alumni from 1986-87."
158k+bonus
The average bonus is 197k at Wharton.
355k is a little better than 166k.
Wharton grads are more likely to have a huge bonus since they are in consulting and i-banking--about 75% receive an average of 200k.
CAS grads in consulting and i-banking will also get a bonus, but there are less CAS grads in these fields. |
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Date: April 12th, 2006 6:53 PM Author: Cyan business firm sweet tailpipe Why are you assuming that the average bonus for college alumni would be less than that of Wharton? There is a correlation between salary and bonus, and there is no reason to believe that Wharton grads have greater bonuses than that of the college. Although I-Banking and Consulting are popular for Wharton alumni, most Wharton grads of the undergraduate program do not stay in I-Banking or Consulting for more than two or three years after graduation, and then many do other things. To move up to the associate level they would need an MBA anyway. Where you got your MBA is FAR MORE IMPORTANT than where you went undergrad. Most Wharton alumni DO NOT work in I-Banking and Consulting. Though they are both popular fields (banking much more than consulting), Wharton alums work in many different areas of business including real estate, accounting, or go work for Fortune 500 companies - and many go to law/med/graduate school. So, the student body is FAR MORE DIVERSE in terms of what fields they want to work in after graduation than you would think. Also, College students applying for jobs at bulge bracket I-Banking firms usually have an ADVANTAGE over Wharton applicants because there are fewer of them, grade inflation at the college (which they are trying to decrease now), and because they want people who have a strong liberal arts educations. I-Banks and Consulting firms know that they can teach you how the business works after you get the offer. The reason why there are fewer hires is because most students in the college are not interested in I-Banking or Consulting to the same degree as Wharton undergraduate students. Again, it is about INTERESTS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=382513&forum_id=1#5569984) |
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Date: April 12th, 2006 7:30 PM Author: Dead hunting ground sex offender "There is a correlation between salary and bonus, and there is no reason to believe that Wharton grads have greater bonuses than that of the college."
Percent of grads in finance or consulting:
CAS: 16% Wharton: 50%
These fields tend to pay the big bonuses.
"Although I-Banking and Consulting are popular for Wharton alumni, most Wharton grads of the undergraduate program do not stay in I-Banking or Consulting for more than two or three years after graduation, and then many do other things."
50% of Wharton grads are in finance or consulting twenty years out according to this survey.
"To move up to the associate level they would need an MBA anyway. Where you got your MBA is FAR MORE IMPORTANT than where you went undergrad."
Average salary and bonus of a Wharton grad with only a BS for the 1986/87 class: 450k. Average salary and bonus of a Wharton grad with an MBA in addition to a BS: 305k.
36% of Wharton grads only have a BS from Wharton. You get an MBA if your career stalls (MBAs have lower salaries compared to those with only a Wharton BS).
"Also, College students applying for jobs at bulge bracket I-Banking firms usually have an ADVANTAGE over Wharton applicants because there are fewer of them, grade inflation at the college (which they are trying to decrease now), and because they want people who have a strong liberal arts educations."
This could be true. Show me some evidence. Show me the "acceptance rates" at the top i-banks from Wharton and CAS. Or anything else you believe is relevant. I have shown that there are more Wharton grads in finance. Prove that CAS students avoid i-banking because of their interests. |
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Date: April 12th, 2006 1:00 PM Author: alcoholic canary dingle berry sanctuary Wharton is a lot harder to get into than the regular college at Penn. this is just common knowledge and common sense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=382513&forum_id=1#5568271) |
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Date: April 12th, 2006 2:34 PM Author: Cyan business firm sweet tailpipe Wharton is not "a lot harder" to get into than the college. Where are you getting this from? Look at the stats. Wharton's acceptance rate is about the same as the college. Wharton takes into account things like looks, attitudes, etc. when admitting students more than the college. It also has a greater percentage of public school kids (apparently they have more drive or something). Though you can't prove this, there are no stats about average SAT scores or grades for Wharton kids either to compare them to the college, so you can't assume that Wharton is harder to get into. The reason why they have the GPA cutoff for internal transfers is to prevent students who were actually interested in Wharton in the first place from trying to get in from the "backdoor." If you are interested in Wharton, do the MBA program. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=382513&forum_id=1#5568674) |
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Date: April 12th, 2006 2:44 PM Author: alcoholic canary dingle berry sanctuary 'from trying to get in from the "backdoor."'
there wouldn't be this idea of a backdoor in the first place if there weren't some truth to the notion that Wharton is more selective.
"If you are interested in Wharton, do the MBA program."
look, i'm all for getting a liberal arts education in college. but i'm not in denial about Wharton being ridiculously competitive to get into. all i have is anecdotal evidence, but i've heard a LOT of it. about how Penn CAS is considered "lower ivy" among high schoolers while Wharton is getting almost as selective as Princeton, blah blah
or look at how Wharton rejects are considered for CAS, while i don't think the opposite is true.
although they have the same overall acceptance rate, what about ED versus RD numbers? it's not that simple.
you say there are no stats on SATs, but i could've sworn reading somewhere that the avg SAT at Wharton was a lot higher than the College's. |
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Date: April 12th, 2006 4:32 PM Author: sexy senate wharton rejects aren't considered for CAS, you can only apply to one or the other (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=382513&forum_id=1#5569122) |
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Date: April 12th, 2006 5:19 PM Author: alcoholic canary dingle berry sanctuary when i was applying, you COULD. i swear to christ, i'm not making this up.
to be more specific, perhaps it was the option of, if DEFERRED from wharton, being considered for A&S. |
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Date: April 12th, 2006 6:16 PM Author: sexy senate i don't think its ever been like that, the only way you can be reconsidered for admission is if you get rejected from a dual degree program then they toss your application into the standard wharton/college/engineering piles (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=382513&forum_id=1#5569744) |
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Date: April 12th, 2006 7:17 PM Author: alcoholic canary dingle berry sanctuary i would seriously put money on this. we can bet on it and a disinterested third party will call the admissions office tomorrow and ask them if they have ever had that policy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=382513&forum_id=1#5570199) |
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Date: April 12th, 2006 10:25 PM Author: sexy senate its really not that important to me. but feel free to call them and post their response (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=382513&forum_id=1#5571454) |
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Date: April 12th, 2006 5:08 PM Author: Cyan business firm sweet tailpipe there wouldn't be this idea of a backdoor in the first place if there weren't some truth to the notion that Wharton is more selective.
The idea is a false idea, but many Penn applicants who are interested in business think that it is a lot easier to get into the college, regardless of whether or not this has any basis in reality. |
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Date: April 12th, 2006 5:10 PM Author: Cyan business firm sweet tailpipe Um...Wharton rejects are not considered for CAS. Only DUAL DEGREE CANDIDATES are considered for the college like Huntsman, for example. But, Huntsman students are considered for both the college and Wharton depending on what school would be more appropriate given their INTERESTS and ec's. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=382513&forum_id=1#5569306) |
Date: April 12th, 2006 1:10 AM Author: Rose chad that would be silly (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=382513&forum_id=1#5565558) |
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Date: April 12th, 2006 11:09 AM Author: Olive unholy chapel as someone who attended the college..the answer is no..no one goes around telling people they are in wharton if they aren't..that is just absurd. the truth is, the statistics are skewed because the top of wharton (finance/accounting concentration) does very well and ends up in bulge bracket firms on wall street and make big bucks. the average whartonite can still land a job but one that is not as lucrative. credit card companies and other financial services come most to mine. if you are in the college and interested in banking, it is expected that you take courses in accounting and finance. if you do well thats favorable, if you don't then the prospects are lower, that is unless you have a rich uncle in one of the firms to pull you in, which a surprising number of people have.. |
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Date: April 12th, 2006 11:16 AM Author: cream crackhouse You don't *have* to take courses in accounting and finance. I believe that some of the college kids even take those courses pass/fail.
The rest of your post is on point. |
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Date: April 12th, 2006 1:00 PM Author: Passionate Turquoise Roast Beef Meetinghouse if i were in wharton, i'd tell people i was in CAS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=382513&forum_id=1#5568270) |
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Date: April 12th, 2006 4:06 PM Author: Contagious Legal Warrant Most of them take it pass fail. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=382513&forum_id=1#5568980) |
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Date: April 12th, 2006 4:13 PM Author: alcoholic canary dingle berry sanctuary was a post deleted here? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=382513&forum_id=1#5569012) |
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Date: April 12th, 2006 4:29 PM Author: Contagious Legal Warrant I hit reply to
You don't *have* to take courses in accounting and finance. I believe that some of the college kids even take those courses pass/fail.
The rest of your post is on point.
I don't know why it went under Cav. |
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Date: April 12th, 2006 1:42 PM Author: Contagious Legal Warrant Never: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=503180886802633928&q=wharton+follies (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=382513&forum_id=1#5568474) |
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Date: April 12th, 2006 4:59 PM Author: cream crackhouse Subject: hahahahahahahah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=382513&forum_id=1#5569244) |