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THE STATE

A Startling Statistic at UCLA

At the school whose alumni include Jackie Robinson and Tom Bradley, only 96 blacks are expected in this fall's freshman class.

By Rebecca Trounson

Times Staff Writer

June 3, 2006

This fall 4,852 freshmen are expected to enroll at UCLA, but only 96, or 2%, are African American — the lowest figure in decades and a growing concern at the Westwood campus.

For several years, students, professors and administrators at UCLA have watched with discouragement as the numbers of black students declined. But the new figures, released this week, have shocked many on campus and prompted school leaders to declare the situation a crisis.

UCLA — which boasts such storied black alumni as Jackie Robinson, Tom Bradley and Ralph Bunche, and is in a county that is 9.8% African American — now has a lower percentage of black freshmen than either crosstown rival USC or UC Berkeley, the school often considered its top competitor within the UC system.

The 96 figure — down by 20 students from last year — is the lowest for incoming African American freshmen since at least 1973. And of the black freshmen who have indicated they will enroll in the fall, 20 are recruited athletes, admissions officials said.

"Clearly, we're going to have to meet this crisis by redoubling our efforts, which have not yielded the results we'd like to see," said Chancellor Albert Carnesale, who met Friday with a delegation of undergraduates upset about the situation.

In a telephone interview before the meeting, Carnesale described the preliminary numbers for black freshmen as "a great disappointment" and said that UCLA has been trying for years to boost those levels, within the limits allowed by law.

He and other officials at UCLA and elsewhere said the problem of attracting, admitting and enrolling qualified black students is found at competitive universities across the country and that its causes are complex. In California, the problem is rooted partly in the restrictions placed on the state's public colleges and institutions by Proposition 209, the 1996 voter initiative that banned consideration of race and gender in admissions and hiring.

Other factors include the socioeconomic inequities that undermine elementary and high school education in California and elsewhere, with minority students disproportionately affected because they often attend schools with fewer resources, including less-qualified teachers and fewer counselors.

Many students and professors also say the declining presence of blacks on campus discourages some prospective students from attending, thus exacerbating the problem. Some of those interviewed, including UCLA sociologist Darnell Hunt, said the campus could be doing more than it is.

Hunt, who heads UCLA's Bunche Center for African American Studies, and several colleagues have been studying the issue as part of a multiyear research project on the challenges facing black students in California universities.

In a draft of a report to be released this month, the researchers compared the admissions criteria and processes at UC's three most competitive campuses: UCLA, UC Berkeley and UC San Diego. (At the latter, the incoming black freshman class stands at 52 students, or 1.1%, even lower than the others.)

The report found that UC San Diego's admissions process relied most heavily on numbers, while UC Berkeley's was most "holistic," allowing a single reader to review all parts of an applicant's file, including academic and personal achievements or challenges.

At UCLA, in what admissions officials have described as an attempt to increase fairness and objectivity, applicants' files are divided by academic and personal areas, and read by separate reviewers. The researchers asserted that UC Berkeley's process may be the fairest, because it allows students' achievements to be seen in the context of their personal challenges.

In an interview, Hunt acknowledged the difficulty for a campus like UCLA, which received 47,000 applications this year. Yet he criticized the school for rejecting many black students based on what he described as factors of questionable validity, and that he said may be linked more to socioeconomic privilege than academic merit.

"There's a common misperception that this is a horrible problem but that black students just need to do better," he said. "But most of the black students who don't get in go to other top-notch schools — Harvard, Duke, Michigan. We're losing students who could be here."

Ward Connerly, the conservative former UC regent who was an architect of Proposition 209, countered that the issue was not the law he helped create.

"The problem — and this is an old song, I know — starts with the small number of black students who are academically competitive," he said, pointing out that many also choose to attend historically black colleges or private schools. "But I don't think we solve this problem by tinkering with the admissions criteria to make it easier to get in."

No matter the cause, the effect is apparent on campus.

Karume James, 20, a graduating senior who led a recent student protest on campus over the issue, said he remembered the excitement he felt when he arrived at UCLA for student orientation in the summer of 2003.

Then just 17, James was preparing to transfer to the big-city campus from a community college in Riverside, his hometown. And he recalled what he felt when he looked around.

"That was a real shock. I spent about 14 hours at the campus, and I counted only about 12 black people. I guess I'd had this feeling that UCLA was going to be this truly diverse place, and it just wasn't," said James, who is now the chairman of UCLA's Afrikan Student Union. "Not for black students."

James, who was among half a dozen students who met Friday with Carnesale, called the session productive and said the UCLA chancellor was receptive to the group's views. Carnesale, who is preparing to step down as chancellor this month, promised to release a statement expressing concern about the issue and work with alumni, students and others to raise the numbers.

The new figures were part of an annual report showing that a record-setting 37,000 freshmen plan to enroll at UC campuses in the fall. Overall, across all nine undergraduate campuses, the new class shows a continued trend of slight increases in black, Latino and Native American students. These groups, which are still considered underrepresented at UC, will make up just under 20% of the 2006 freshman class, compared with just below 19% for the current class.

But the picture in the latest release varied by campus and by group, with the underrepresented minority numbers at the system's most competitive campuses — UCLA and UC Berkeley — drawing the most attention, as always.

At UC Berkeley, black, Latino and Native American students are expected to make up 15.9% of the freshman class, up from 14.4% this year. And 140 black students, 10 more than this year, have said they will enroll in the fall, making up 3.3% of the overall class of about 4,200. The number of Latino students also rose, from 449 to 509.

At UCLA, however, the numbers fell for both groups, and for the overall percentage of underrepresented students, despite an increase of more than 300 in the size of the total freshman class.

Of the freshmen who say they will enroll at UCLA this fall, 15.9% are from underrepresented groups, compared with 18.1% of the current freshman class. The figure for Latinos dropped from 683 to 659.

"The critical mass of our African American students is eroding, and we know the quality of our education experience is absolutely affected, as well as our obligation to the citizens of this state," said Janina Montero, UCLA's vice chancellor for student affairs.

Jenny Wood, UCLA student body president, belongs to a student committee drafting recommendations to revamp the admissions process.

"I think it's been really detrimental to see this decline in African American students and, overall, in the number of students of color on our campus," she said.

In Los Angeles County, blacks accounted for 11%, or 9,152, of the 84,677 public high school graduates. Statewide, blacks made up 7%, or 25,267, of the 343,481 students who graduated from California's public high schools in 2004, the most recent year statistics are available.

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(INFOBOX BELOW)

Shortage of black freshmen

Ethnic and racial breakdown of UCLA freshmen*

1985 (peak year for black enrollment)

White: 49.7%

Asian/Filipino: 22.2%

Chicano/Latino: 14.8%

Black: 9.6%

Other**: 3.7%

--

2005

White: 33.3%

Asian/Filipino: 41.0%

Chicano/Latino: 14.8%

Black: 2.9%

Other**: 7.9%

Pie charts may not add up to 100% due to rounding.

*Excludes foreign students. **Includes Native Americans, other groups and those who declined to state.

Source: UCLA

*

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partners:

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5900909)

"There's a common misperception that this is a horrible problem but that black students just need to do better," he said. "But most of the black students who don't get in go to other top-notch schools — Harvard, Duke, Michigan. We're losing students who could be here." That's no misperception. The other institutions practice AA.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5902171)

you don't care whether or not blacks are able to achieve.

you just don't care.

there IS a problem here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5902187)

Nice edit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5902201)

this thread deals with an issue in the realm of my academic field, not EE.

douchebag.

i'm not a dick to you, don't be a dick to me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5902264)

fucking electrical engineers should stick to impersonal bullshit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5902297)

Forget about the $100 Nikes and Lincoln Navigators and buy a damned SAT prep book for $9.95 already. Of course, most don't know where the local Borders is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5902310)

fucking liquor stores on every corner, though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5902315)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5902324)

Part of the problem here, of course, is that very few blacks and Latinos meet UC eligibility. While they constitute a pretty large percentage of the population, they really struggle academically.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5902302)

AA is not something to avoid, and is constitutional.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5902344)

Also, finish your posts before you post them.

this editing bullshit is obnoxious.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5902357)

when the UCs are 80% white/asian but the state is majority hispanic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5902385)

the majority of babies born in the state are hispanic.

so in 18 years, the majority of 18 year olds will be hispanic, not including immigrants.

i say the state will be majority hispanic in 30 years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5902402)

whites are 44%, down from 47%

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5902409)

Is this article saying that those blacks were admitted at Harvard but dinged at UCs?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5902334)

Part of the problem that UCs have been having is yield on the URMs they do accept.

I personally think that the UCs have too few whites (only 32% this year). That's frightening.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5902366)

i have no problem with the overrepresentation of asians

its the underrepresentation of blacks and hispanics that bothers me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5902392)

"So only 76 non-athlete blacks were academically qualified to attend UCLA, even with comprehensive admissions. I don't see the problem here."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5902420)

i think of AA as a tool in our arsenal, but not the solution.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5902432)

The fact that so few blacks are academically qualified, I do see as a problem.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5902437)

its the underrepresentation of blacks and hispanics that bothers me."

a little logic for you--if one group is overrepresented, another will have to be underrepresented

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5902521)

increasing the URM percentages will have the consequence of lowering the percentages of white and asian students, but that is not my goal, only a byproduct.

there is no inconsistency in what i am saying.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5902548)

sounds like conspiracy theory to me.

prove it first, then we can talk.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5902565)

http://www.modelminority.com/printout303.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5902600)

http://www.discriminations.us/2004/04/drastic_racial_statistics_from.html

http://www.nas.org/reports/foi/AA_at_3Us.pdf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5902718)

At the end of the day there are dozens of competitive universities that are dying to increase their black student body percentages. If any single school bans AA, they will simply lose black students of all abilities to other schools that are more attractive to black students. This kills the argument that black students would prefer an end to AA because they would not have to deal with doubting classmates or professors - the data shows otherwise.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5902965)

i don't think very many people argue that black students would prefer an end to AA, i think the argument is perhaps that they SHOULD prefer to not have doubting professors and classmates?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5903066)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5903168)

- Black student acceptance rate dropping due to low test scores / GPAs

- Fewer black students applying

- Black student yield dropping

Of course, it's probably some combination of the three.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5903216)

Not really. What if AA were eliminated everywhere? Would they just not go to college?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5903080)

Plus, there are some schools (Ivies, Stanford, MIT, WashU, etc.) that I don't think will ban AA for the next 50 years, regardless of what lawsuits / court cases may occur.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5903176)

so blacks feel they have a right to AA?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5903192)

No, that only happens when one or two schools ban AA. Blacks will simply attend the better schools that let them in with lowered standards. This says nothing about the situation if all schools banned AA.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5903182)

That's why the public school in Beverly Hills is the shit, and P.S. ### is just shit.

Rich constituents will never allow their state legislators change these laws. That's why vouchers exist. It's hardly the best solution, but it's a start.

http://www.applesanity.com

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5906119)

You know that even poor schools here are funded with les money than in other countries.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5906596)

you'll see that public school students in those countries do much better, on average, than american public school students, and especially those public schools where racial minorities make up the majority of students.

of course, americans are so afraid and disgusted with any sort of socialism that this kind of policy would never fly here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5906657)

I suggest you read "Money And School Performance: Lessons from the Kansas City Desegregation Experiment" at http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-298.html

Even with essentially unlimited funds, the black kids were complete failures.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5920484)

I will address several points in this conversation. From what I know of the past yield rate of blacks at UCLA, i thought that the numbers of blacks of UCLA would actually go below 100. The average yield rate in the past was about about 43%. Actually 210 blacks were admitted this year at UCLA. Some of those non -athlethes admitted were admitted thru "holistic " criteria or "comprehensive" review. And yes, some blacks who were denied admission at Berkeley and UCLA just went to harvard, other ivies and Stanford. In 1997, when PRop 209 was first instituted there was a sudden spike in the numbers of blacks in the freshman class at sTanford. According to the press, they were rejects from Berkeley.And I do not believe that for the majority of blacks they want AA to be aboished. Human nature being what it is, many blacks and whites favor preferences as long as it helps them and their kids. That is specially true for the upper and middle classes. Buying a house in Beverly Hills is no guarantee of scoring above 1000 SAT. In the incoming 2006 freshman class of the UC system , whites will make up 32% of the freshman and 42% for Asians.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5919484)

ReplyEdit Your Message

Date: June 13th, 2006 10:06 AM

Author: hero

Where have you been all your life?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5973460)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5982135)

How almost everyone in Kerala learned to read

By Nachammai Raman | Contributor to The Christian Science Monitor

COCHIN, INDIA - At the Janaranjini preschool in the state of Kerala in rural southern India, children aren't building castles in the sand. Instead, as they sit cross-legged in front of a thin layer of sand, they are learning the fundamentals of reading and math.

Three-year old V. S. Madhav twirls letters of his native Malayalam - the language of Kerala - into the sand with his left forefinger while his classmate, 4-year old Neethu Saji, writes Arabic numerals more quickly than her teacher can call them out.

"I also learned like this. My father also like this," says N. Revindhran. Mr. Revindhran is a volunteer at the public library that runs this preschool, locally referred to as a kalari. "This is the ancient model [of schooling]," Revindhran explains.

Education in Kerala represents a success story that many nations might wish to emulate.

Kerala, located in the southern tip of India, is an agrarian state with a per capita income of only $265. Yet its literacy rate of 91 percent puts it closer to the United States than to any other Indian state. (The national literacy rate in India is 65 percent.)

Kerala was the first state in India to declare total literacy in one town in 1989, and subsequently, total literacy in a whole region in 1990. India's National Literacy Mission declared total literacy in the whole state of Kerala on April 18, 1991.

"Literacy is a prerequisite for social development," says P.K. Ravindran, a former president of the Kerala Sastra Sahitya Parishad, a group that gave a push to the state's literacy movement in the 1980s. "Without literacy you cannot go forward."

In Kerala, commitment to education pervades society. About 37 percent of the state's annual budget goes to education. The state supports 12,271 schools. There's an elementary school within two miles of every settlement.

Even when times are tough, education is the last item the Kerala government will cut. "Traditionally, we've always been funding education. The social demand is there. If we make budget cuts now, there'll be agitation from the people," says A. Ajith Kumar, director of public instruction in Trivandrum, the capital of Kerala.

The roots of Kerala's literacy culture can be traced back at least to the Hindu rulers of the 19th century. The Queen of Trivandrum issued a royal decree in 1817 that said, "The state should defray the entire cost of the education of its people in order that there might be no backwardness in the spread of enlightenment." She hoped education would make her people "better subjects and public servants."

The kings of Cochin also built public schools and promoted elementary education.

Christian missionaries gave a further boost to education by setting up schools for the poor and oppressed, bypassing traditions that had allowed only high-caste Indians to attend school.

In the early 20th century, social reformers in the region continued the drive for education for the lower castes and for girls. All of this gave Kerala a head start and by 1961 the state had double the literacy rate of the rest of India: 55 percent compared with the Indian average of 28 percent.

Mr. Ravindran says land-reform measures established after the state of Kerala was formed in 1956 also contributed to the success of its literacy movement. "When every family owns a piece of land, no matter how small, they have a sense of belonging," he says. "Then they can plan for the future, and education of their children becomes a part of that planning."

He attributes lower levels of literacy in some other Indian states to the lack of effective land rights for the poor. "If you live by the roadside, what tomorrow do you have to think about?"

Even now in Kerala, coastal fishing communities and hill tribes, both itinerant, lag behind because their school dropout rate is nearly three times that of the overall dropout rate of 1.5 percent. The government has set up special schools to bridge the gap.

While literacy rates in Kerala had outstripped those in other Indian states for some decades, it wasn't until the late 1980s that the Kerala Sastra Sahitya Parishad - a regional group originally organized as an association of science writers - embraced the cause of total literacy. Ravindran recalls the strategy of public persuasion that the group employed.

"At that time Ernakulam [a district in Kerala] had 76 percent literacy. So we said to the literate, 'It is your social responsibility to make your brother or sister literate.' To take away the feeling of charity, we said to the illiterate, 'It is your right to become literate. You should demand it from society.' "

The Kerala government has also focused on adult education, spending $7.4 million to open 3,500 adult continuing education centers between 1998 and 2003.

Despite Kerala's education successes, the region has not yet been able to provide its literate population with enough work. Kerala has a rural employment rate of 11.6 percent and an urban employment rate of 12.2 percent, according to an economic review published by the Kerala government in 2003.

"Ninety percent of the people go out of Kerala to find jobs," says K. Deepa, a computer-science teacher at a college in the town of Muvattupuzha.

But education allows many from Kerala to find work elsewhere - in other Indian states, the Middle East, and the US. The money they send back home forms the backbone of Kerala's economy. Literacy has become the state's chief asset.

That makes parents in Kerala keenly aware of the value of learning. As a result, they are ready to make sacrifices to educate their young.

"We spend only on necessities," says C. B. Jayachandran, father of a Janaranjini preschooler. "Everybody in the community is ambitious to educate their children."

K. A. Babu, father of a 9-year-old girl at a government elementary school in Kolani, raises his hand way above his head to show how far he's willing to educate her. "To the ultimate level."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5919611)

[But education allows many from Kerala to find work elsewhere - in other Indian states, the Middle East, and the US. The money they send back home forms the backbone of Kerala's economy. Literacy has become the state's chief asset.

That makes parents in Kerala keenly aware of the value of learning. As a result, they are ready to make sacrifices to educate their young.

"We spend only on necessities," says C. B. Jayachandran, father of a Janaranjini preschooler. "Everybody in the community is ambitious to educate their children."]

That's their secret for success.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#6004829)

Yellow fever is there also. There is no escaping it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5973451)

tim,

too cold out there in vermont and new hampshire, in Utah I might have to change my religion. At any rate there are more Asians than blacks at the University of Utah .

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5979886)

Do Asians Outperform Whites on the LSAT?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5981914)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5989254)

Blacks are not taking away "white people's spots."

200 blacks out of 48,000 applications. Wow. Really. No.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5989631)

hey kaioh,

Even those blacks who matriculated at UCLA, there were some of them who were accepted thru "comprehensive review". I am not even including the athlethes. At any rate, the majority of the 210 blacks accepted at UCLA opted to go to another school,a lot of them for reasons of better financial aid (bribes ) offered by the Ivies. What does that tell you about human nature ? BTW, your handle "kaioh " is a bad parody of the surname of MIchio Kaku, the physics professor over there at City College in harlem.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5989800)

i'm pretty sure you're wrong, you fucking moron.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5991234)

author ltorivia = Michiru Kaioh

author ltorivia = HERO (in capital letters)

author ltorivia = hello hero

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5991246)

Date: June 15th, 2006 5:42 AM

Author: hero

Hi ltorivia!

Why did you change your moniker to "Michiru Kaioh"?

ltorivia = Michiru Kaioh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5991232)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5991351)

>> and people wonder why Asians can't comprehend english. <<

Say what?

The outperformance by Asian Americans over whites is more pronouced or apparent at the highest levels of scoring of the LSAT (over 170), which is where it matters most in admissions to the top tier of American law schools.

There is a *bimodal* distribution of scores in Asian American scoring on the SAT I, clustered at the lower levels as well as the highest level of scoring. This distribution is very similar to the actual distribution of scoring with two peaks in the SAT I scoring where Asian Americans *outperformed* whites at the *highest levels* of the SAT I test at levels over 650 for Math and at levels over 750 and the perfect 800 on the Verbal, which is quite remarkable, when one considers, that about 39% of all Asian American SAT I test takers reported not having English as their first language.

A possible explanation for this is that of all Asian Americans, about two-thirds of them are foreign born immigrants, and about 15% of all Asian Ams live below the poverty line (about the same % as for Latinos), which are plausible reasons for the bimodal distribution in scores for Asians SAT I test takers as well as Asian American LSAT takers.

If Asian Americans were to compete with whites on a level playing field, that is to say, with all Asian Americans having English as their *first* language, then Asian Americans will most surely outperform whites on the Verbal section of the SAT I on EVERY LEVEL of scoring, from the lowest to highest levels as well as the Math section, resulting in a much higher mean and average scores on the SAT I. That is to say, if one factors out the 39% of the Asian American SAT I test takers who reported having English as a second language, this would occur in the Verbal section.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5991352)

This is an imposter named ltorivia, the race based AA troll!

Reply

Date: June 15th, 2006 1:41 PM

Author: HERO

You must have never heard of Sailor Moon.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5993044)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#6001648)

ltorivia is the black pro race based AA advocate and troll!

Date: June 15th, 2006 1:41 PM

Author: hello hero

You must have never heard of Sailor Moon.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5993044)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#6006713)

Why did you change your moniker to "Michiru Kaioh"?

ltorivia = Michiru Kaioh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5991232)

[Blacks are not taking away "white people's spots."....200 blacks out of 48,000 applications. Wow. Really. No.].

Please read the following:

“The Opportunities Cost of Admission Preferences at Elite Universities”, by Espenshade (Chair of Sociology at Princeton) and Chung,

http://opr.princeton.edu/faculty/tje/espenshadessqptii.pdf

Asian American applicants are the ones who lose with the use of race preferences in admissions. Whites don't forfeit spaces, by and large, for race based AA favoring blacks and Latinos. Asian Americans are being punished and discriminated against in this process. This is independent of the use of the legacy and athletic preference for whites because this study corrected for this.

Asian Americans have much lower admit rates based on their race because they are the only non-preferred group in admissions and are discriminated against based on their race alone.

Please click on the commentary on the study by Espenshade at Princeton.

http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S11/80/77I23/index.xml?section=topstories

[Removing consideration of race would have little effect on white students, the report concludes, as their acceptance rate would rise by merely 0.5 percentage points. Espenshade noted that when one group loses ground, another has to gain -- in this case it would be Asian applicants. Asian students would fill nearly four out of every five places in the admitted class not taken by African-American and Hispanic students, with an acceptance rate rising from nearly 18 percent to more than 23 percent. Typically, many more Asian students apply to elite schools than other underrepresented minorities. The study also found that although athletes and legacy applicants are predominantly white, their numbers are so small that their admissions do little to displace minority applicants.]

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5991272)

If those are UCLA's numbers, i was speaking in general. In any case, it IS bullshit when a student takes the spot of another more accomplished student simply because they are a minority (AA).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5993660)

Date: June 15th, 2006 12:28 AM

Author: Haruka Teno\'h

It's also bullshit when you're comparing apples to oranges.

Blacks are not taking away "white people's spots."

200 blacks out of 48,000 applications. Wow. Really. No.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5997164)

This is ltorivia changing her moniker to "HERO"

Date: June 15th, 2006 12:28 AM

Author: HERO

It's also bullshit when you're comparing apples to oranges.

Blacks are not taking away "white people's spots."

200 blacks out of 48,000 applications. Wow. Really. No.

(http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=#)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#6001664)

"HERO" (in capital letters) is an imposter named ltorivia, the black pro race based AA advocate and troll!

Reply

Date: June 15th, 2006 12:28 AM

Author: HERO

It's also bullshit when you're comparing apples to oranges.

Blacks are not taking away "white people's spots."

200 blacks out of 48,000 applications. Wow. Really. No.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5989631)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#6001694)

A hint: This University boasts an outstanding 64% graduation rate among African-American students, nearly twice the national average!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5989862)

2. Also, it is where you graduate in the class that is important. The vast majority of AA admits graduate at near the bottom of the class, if they graduate at all, taking the least rigorous courses of study.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5991245)

HTH

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427212&forum_id=1#5995605)