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At Andover, 70% applied early, and 45% were accepted.
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Date: February 7th, 2007 12:33 AM Author: Henna twisted point police squad Subject: Just over 1/2 early admissions were to the Ivies, MIT + Stanford 227 current Andover seniors applied either EA, SCEA or ED this year, to 44 different colleges or universities; 101 of them were admitted.
Among the 101 early admits were:
13 to Harvard (out of 26 applicants) 9 to Yale 7 to Stanford 7 to Penn 5 to MIT 3 to Brown 2 to Cornell 2 to Dartmouth 2 to Columbia 1 to Princeton (of 8 applicants) |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 12:40 AM Author: Provocative very tactful genital piercing lol@princeton trying to change their image (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=576335&forum_id=1#7558385) |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 10:20 AM Author: Marvelous locale perhaps you're mistaken - princeton has never drawn as heavily from andover as more-local harvard and yale have. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=576335&forum_id=1#7559772) |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 10:30 AM Author: Henna twisted point police squad Subject: Top destnations for Andover grads: Top students from Andover have had less interest in Princeton the last few years, and more in Penn, for whatever reason.
The schools with the most matriculants from Andover in the past TWO years:
Harvard - 35 Penn - 26 Brown - 24 Georgetown - 24 Yale - 22 Cornell - 22 Columbia - 17 Vanderbilt - 17 MIT - 15 Stanford - 14 Duke - 12 Princeton - 12 Dartmouth - 10 ------------------------- See HERE for the 5-year numbers:
http://www.andover.edu/cco/matrics/default.asp
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Date: February 7th, 2007 11:01 AM Author: Henna twisted point police squad Subject: Exeter matriculations 2003-5 (3-year numbers, vs. the 2-year numbers cited for Andover above - the top 10 schools)
Harvard: 39 Penn: 35 Georgetown: 28 Brown: 26 Yale: 26 Princeton: 26 Cornell: 23 Dartmouth: 22 Columbia: 21 MIT: 21 Stanford: 20 |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 4:01 PM Author: Soul-stirring field preventive strike is the high no. for Stanford typical ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=576335&forum_id=1#7561532) |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 5:21 PM Author: Henna twisted point police squad Subject: Well. its SCEA you know ... So they may not all stick...
But like Yale (until this year, anyway) SCEA has gotten Stanford more early apps than ED ever did, because of the non-binding nature. |
Date: February 7th, 2007 11:10 AM Author: Henna twisted point police squad Subject: Matriculations at Lawrenceville - longtime Princeton "feeder" For FIVE year period - 2002-06:
Georgetown: 49 Princeton: 48 Duke/Penn: 38 Cornell: 34 Harvard: 30 NYU: 28 JHU: 27 USC: 26 Columbia: 25 Brown: 23 Yale: 19 |
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Date: February 8th, 2007 4:29 AM Author: dashing smoky dilemma idea he suggested You left Penn off the list at 38 matriculants (tied with Duke for third place).
This year, roughly 75% of this years senior class at Lawrenceville applied early, and 50% of those who applied early were accepted. The school hasn't yet published the list of acceptances by college.
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Date: February 7th, 2007 11:20 AM Author: Henna twisted point police squad Subject: Matriculations at Choate - traditionally a Yale feeder school: FIVE year totals:
Georgetown: 45 Yale: 31 Brown: 30 NYU: 29 Harvard: 28 Penn: 28 Columbia: 26 Middlebury: 26 GWU: 26 JHU: 26 Cornell: 22 ... Princeton: 12 |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 11:30 AM Author: Henna twisted point police squad Subject: Matriculations at Deerfield - maybe the "preppiest" of the preps FIVE year 2002-6 totals:
Brown: 46 Harvard: 42 Penn: 39 Georgetown: 34 Middlebury: 33 Yale: 32 Cornell: 32 Princeton: 27 Williams: 22 Columbia: 22 Dartmouth: 19
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Date: February 7th, 2007 11:49 AM Author: Henna twisted point police squad Subject: Deerfield reports both admits and matriculants, showing yields Alone among the top preps, Deerfield still reports both the number who were admitted and the number who actually attended - so you can figure which schools had the strongest pull for admits, and the schools which served as backups/ matches and safeties for most admits:
Yield rates for some top destinations:
Harvard: 93% Princeton: 87% Yale: 82%
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Penn: 65% Midd: 54% Williams: 49% Georgetown: 45% USC: 43%
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Tufts: 30% GWU: 28% U of Vermont: 14% |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 5:39 PM Author: Provocative very tactful genital piercing 68% matriculation at BROWN (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=576335&forum_id=1#7562069) |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 5:47 PM Author: Henna twisted point police squad Subject: The prep school yield rates tend to be higher ... ... since upwards of 70% of the seniors are applying somewhere via early admissions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=576335&forum_id=1#7562116) |
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Date: February 7th, 2007 5:52 PM Author: Provocative very tactful genital piercing duh. my point was it's higher than other non-HYP ivies (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=576335&forum_id=1#7562135) |
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Date: February 8th, 2007 10:03 AM Author: Odious lilac abode azn Subject: Comports almost exactly with the data in The Revealed Preferences Survey. It continually amazes me that people don't realize that Brown is the fourth Ivy, and has been for a long time. Generally speaking, if we want an applicant, and the applicant wants an Ivy, and the applicant is choosing between Brown and a non-HYP Ivy, we are confident we'll get that applicant. Even with HYP, we do get a significant minority of cross-applicants with Y and P. It is almost impossible to make inroads against H though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=576335&forum_id=1#7565802) |
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Date: February 17th, 2007 9:55 AM Author: Henna twisted point police squad Subject: Story about early admissions at CHOATE for Class of 2011 61% of graduating seniors applied early; 48% of the applicants were accepted
http://thenews.choate.edu/2007/02/16/News/Early_Application_Results_.php |
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Date: February 17th, 2007 3:27 PM Author: grizzly kitty cat prole Princeton is overall most selective. maybe not by SAT's, but that's due to having the best athletic program of HYP but doing it with the least students (school is only 2/3 as large as H, for example) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=576335&forum_id=1#7620245) |
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Date: February 17th, 2007 3:33 PM Author: Henna twisted point police squad Are you saying the most selective for jocks?
And by the way, Princeton is now 3/4 the size of Harvard (1245 projected for the Class of 2011, vs 1650 at Harvard)
See also the lead story in the USNews special report on the top 20 college athletic programs:
http://web.archive.org/web/20031210051515/www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/sports/articles/18number.htm |
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Date: February 17th, 2007 4:11 PM Author: Henna twisted point police squad Subject: Five Ivies listed among the nations top 20 athletics programs
http://web.archive.org/web/20031210210852/www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/sports/rankings/honor.htm |
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Date: February 17th, 2007 10:30 PM Author: Opaque Diverse Office quality, not quantity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=576335&forum_id=1#7622475) |
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Date: February 17th, 2007 4:32 PM Author: grizzly kitty cat prole My point was, princeton is still smaller (significantly, i.e. by 400 students/yr or 1600 total) and thus it's athletes make up a larger % of the class.
Thus, it will never have the SAT avg that H or Y do. It's just not possible unless they cut back and make their athletics programs smaller.
Also, Princeton is going to grow graduate b/c of Whitman College. It's *not* going to reach H or Y size, though, nor should it aspire to. |
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Date: February 17th, 2007 9:12 PM Author: Henna twisted point police squad Subject: Come on; they're growing as fast as housing construction permits Within 2 or 3 years, Princeton will be the same size as Yale is currently. By that time. of course, Yale will have finished their endless efforts to deal with deferred maintenance, and will be ready for their own 10-20% expansion, bringing them up to Harvard's former size ... just about the time Harvard gets ready for its OWN 10% expansion. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=576335&forum_id=1#7622127) |
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Date: February 17th, 2007 3:38 PM Author: Slap-happy jap wow, Andover seems like a pretty shitty private school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=576335&forum_id=1#7620297) |
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Date: February 17th, 2007 6:49 PM Author: Supple useless brakes Subject: it seems from nyc fans matric stats for 2 year period that approx 35-40% of the class goes to elites, which is not bad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=576335&forum_id=1#7621485) |
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Date: February 17th, 2007 10:05 PM Author: Misanthropic indirect expression theater stage Andover's a great school....way better than Exeter haha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=576335&forum_id=1#7622358) |
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Date: February 17th, 2007 10:26 PM Author: Henna twisted point police squad Subject: Both are outstanding schools. Probably because its location is more accessable, Andover has a few more apps, a lower admit rate (20% vs 25%) and a higher yield rate. Both are roughly the same size - between 1,000 and 1,100. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=576335&forum_id=1#7622465) |
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Date: February 19th, 2007 2:16 PM Author: Provocative very tactful genital piercing both are full of gunner azn fags these days (see: CC posts on prep schools). Deerfield is clearly tcr if you want to send your kid to a prep school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=576335&forum_id=1#7630308) |
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Date: February 18th, 2007 10:09 PM Author: umber vivacious wagecucks Why would you sink over 100k into a high school education when you could go to a school like Regis for free? Their elite admissions rate is pretty solid:
http://www.regis-nyc.org/?ID=121 |
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Date: February 18th, 2007 10:41 PM Author: Henna twisted point police squad Subject: Its not the same thing. Andover is a boarding school primarily, with an equal number of boys and girls, who hail from virtually every state and many foreign countries. Many are on scholarship, and it is more diverse than Regis, which is fairly rigid in its Catholicism, and is an all-boys school:
"By graduation the Regis High School student has grown in his fundamental orientation toward God and toward the Christian community. He is familiar with the heritage and teachings of the Catholic Church; he realizes that commitment to Christ."
Sports and extracurricular programs at an Andover or Exeter are much broader, and both the credentials of the faculty and quality of the physical facilites exceed what you would find at most colleges.
And the college placement is not as similar as you suggest: in the same 4-yr period, where Regis sent 86 grads to the Ivies + MIT, Stanford and Duke, Andover sent just under 400 to the same schools. The primary destination for Regis grads are, not surprisingly, the Catholic schools: Holy Cross, BC, Fordham, Villanova, Loyola (MD), Georgetown, and occasionally Notre Dame.
And students DO get housed and fed at Andover for the money. It is not "free" to live and go to school on the upper East Side of Manhattan, even if you commute a ways. |
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Date: February 19th, 2007 8:57 AM Author: Odious lilac abode azn Well said. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=576335&forum_id=1#7629406) |
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Date: February 19th, 2007 11:31 AM Author: umber vivacious wagecucks I don't mean to imply that Andover and Regis have similar placement statistics in terms of absolute numbers or educational vision. They clearly do not.
However, given the fact that the student body of Regis is almost half the size of Andover's, and most likely less financially secure, 40% of Regis grads are sons of immigrants, Regis places well.
For example, over the past 4 year period, 5% (25/500) of Regis grads went to Harvard, whereas roughly 6% (59/888) of Andover grads attended Harvard.
Those numbers are striking given the cost of Andover tuition ($35k boarding, $27k day).
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Date: February 19th, 2007 11:54 AM Author: Henna twisted point police squad All your numbers are off.
And Regis is not the humble nurturer of immigrant children you claim it to be.
it caters to more than its share of wealthy Catholic offspring eager to avoid the public schools. Take a look at the money-men on the Board of Trustees. |
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Date: February 19th, 2007 10:52 PM Author: Supple useless brakes Subject: just out of curiousity what is Hacettepe University, and why is it the number 1 choice year after year of Andover grads?????? Never heard of it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=576335&forum_id=1#7633412) |
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Date: February 19th, 2007 11:05 PM Author: Henna twisted point police squad I'd say its either a computer error or some such ...
Maybe somebody playing games |
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Date: February 19th, 2007 1:54 PM Author: umber vivacious wagecucks The numbers are solid:
16, 17, 15, 11 = 59 Andover Harvard Admits http://www.andover.edu/cco/matrics/default.asp
Andover's class size seems to average around 225 students; over four years that would give you around 900 total students. 59/900 = 6%
Regis had 25 total Harvard admits: http://www.regis-nyc.org/?ID=121
Their graduating class averages 125 students; which would give you 500 grads over 4 years.
25/500 = 5%.
Regardless of the numbers, my point is that Andover's relative advantage in college admissions is not as overwhelming as it appears at first blush. Given the exorbitant cost of an Andover education, if you're Catholic and male, it might not be worth attending.
As for the relative wealth of the board members of Regis it's irrelevant; it seems reasonable to assume that board members of both Andover and Regis are both probably pretty wealth. However, the student body of Regis is most likely less secure, given the fact that 40% are from immigrant families and is more likely to make decisions on where to attend based on financial aid.
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Date: February 19th, 2007 11:26 PM Author: Henna twisted point police squad Subject: Don't be silly. Scholarship aid is generous at Andover, which is pretty much need blind, which, along with the other top prep schools, has a higher endowment per capita than all but a handful of national universities. So don't give us that crap about the "exhorbitant cost." Forty percent of Andover's student body receives financial aid. In 2006-07, $11.7 million dollars was awarded in financial aid scholarships.
Andover's per student expenditures were $72,000 last year, and Exeter's were $70,000 and Deerfield's were $62,000 - far in excess of the price paid by the average student. There is no greater educational bargain in America that a top prep school education ... more valuable in many ways than a college education.
You single out ONE school - since Regis probably sends a few Manhattan and Westchester legacies to that ONE school - and conveniently ignore the far less impressive overall matriculation stats.
Regis is an all-male, largely white, rigidly Catholic day school, and is simply apples and oranges when it comes to the educational experience provided by the nation's elite, and more ethnically, economically, socially and geographically diverse prep schools.
Even as Manhattan day schools go, Regis is well down the list.
http://www.electricprint.com/edu4/classes/readings/edu-eliteschools.htm |
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Date: February 19th, 2007 10:55 PM Author: Supple useless brakes Subject: never mind - just checked it out guess there is a very large turkish contingent at andover (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=576335&forum_id=1#7633433) |
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Date: February 19th, 2007 11:27 PM Author: Henna twisted point police squad I *think* it was a joke (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=576335&forum_id=1#7633669) |