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Northwestern v. Washington University in St. Louis: DISCUSS
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Date: February 8th, 2008 3:10 PM Author: Low-t International Law Enforcement Agency Roast Beef Among other comparisons, which is more . . . PRESTIGIOUS? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9293570) |
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Date: February 8th, 2008 4:30 PM Author: stirring sex offender gaping From the east coast perspective, of the midwestern schools, Univ of Chicago is most prestigious, Northwestern and Wash U are equivalent, and Notre Dame and Michigan aren't far behind
Northwestern may be more selective than WUSTL, but academic prestige is equivalent
Note that if you include upstate New York in the midwest, which at least geogrpahically is consistent, then Cornell is in the mix here too |
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Date: February 8th, 2008 8:40 PM Author: Low-t International Law Enforcement Agency Roast Beef Thank you for the east coast perspective. Quite interesting.
Any other takers? Anyone look at both of these schools and pick one over the other? |
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Date: February 8th, 2008 9:12 PM Author: Free-loading tripping church antidepressant drug Academic prestige is not equivalent. NU is stronger in just about everything but medicine, and is also reputed to be a more enjoyable undergraduate experience. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9295623) |
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Date: February 8th, 2008 9:11 PM Author: vermilion resort liquid oxygen 1) Chicago 2) Northwestern 256) Wash U (nobody knows it)
East Coast |
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Date: February 9th, 2008 10:43 PM Author: lake violent incel Northwestern (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9300539) |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 12:41 AM Author: Sepia diverse trailer park ceo Wash U (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9301226) |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 1:26 AM Author: house-broken gaming laptop skinny woman Are you voting again? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9301415) |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 2:19 AM Author: Awkward curious school cafeteria WUSTL > Northwestern (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9301669) |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 2:21 AM Author: yapping lascivious indian lodge milk ur gay! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9301679) |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 1:31 AM Author: talented plaza Northwestern > WUSTL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9301437) |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 1:36 AM Author: Magenta adventurous bawdyhouse Subject: WUSTL is a better school. WUSTL is a better school. Face it Northwestern trolls. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9301470) |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 1:43 AM Author: lake violent incel Because you say so? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9301504) |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 1:44 AM Author: Magenta adventurous bawdyhouse Is it untrue if you say so? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9301507) |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 1:46 AM Author: lake violent incel Yes.
I worked at Korn/Ferry and know for certain that top companies view Northwestern more favorably than WUSTL. |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 1:52 AM Author: Magenta adventurous bawdyhouse Of course you did!
While we are sharing, I think it is important to let you know that I worked for Mckinsey and know for certain that they view WUSTL undergrads more favorably than Northwestern.
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Date: February 10th, 2008 1:59 AM Author: lake violent incel No, you didn't. You're not smart enough. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9301591) |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 2:01 AM Author: Magenta adventurous bawdyhouse You didn't work at Korn/Ferry. You're not smart enough. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9301600) |
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Date: February 19th, 2008 10:27 AM Author: Dark abode Subject: . (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9351115) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2008 1:37 AM Author: opaque messiness library chicago is better than st louie (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9815388) |
Date: February 8th, 2008 10:27 PM Author: cracking pozpig Northwestern and Wash U are roughly equivalent, except when it comes to Medicine (for Wash U) and Business (for Northwestern)
Northwestern has the better location, although WUSTL seems to have better facilities. |
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Date: February 8th, 2008 10:44 PM Author: Free-loading tripping church antidepressant drug What fields is WUSTL strong in? They never seem to be top 20 in any academic field. Northwestern is relatively strong in Journalism, communications, econ, law, business, and probably others, but I've never heard of WUSTL's strength besides medicine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9296088) |
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Date: February 8th, 2008 11:07 PM Author: cracking pozpig That's a good point about journalism and communication, but it is hard to compare because so few elite schools even have a journalism department and also because many of the best communications programs (BU, USC, Maryland) are at average schools.
WUSTL has arguably the best medical school, arguably the best school of social work, and a top 5 program in architecture. Besides these fields, I think Wash U beats NW in a lot of the sciences. Not sure about econ or government.
NW law school is ranked a half-dozen or so places higher than Wash U, but I'm not sure if the law school matters to undergrads since Northwestern's law school is off campus and undergrads likely have no contact with it. There is no denying how strong Kellogg is though. Not sure what the undergrad business is like at either school, but I imagine it is a lot better at NW.
Even though Wash U is ranked higher, the undergrad student quality is roughly equivalent at the two schools. |
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Date: February 8th, 2008 11:29 PM Author: Free-loading tripping church antidepressant drug Interesting. I really don't know much about how schools rank in the sciences, but given the strength of the med school, I guess it makes sense that WUSTL would be strong across the sciences. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9296342) |
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Date: February 8th, 2008 11:50 PM Author: judgmental pit I did undergrad business at Wash U. It is probably weaker than NW, but it's no TTT. People who do well go to top banks every year, and I'm not just talking about the top 2 or 3 in the class (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9296457) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2008 12:06 PM Author: outnumbered bateful space pocket flask Northwestern is pretty strong in engineering too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9727068) |
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Date: February 9th, 2008 10:44 PM Author: burgundy up-to-no-good crackhouse Northwestern is more prestigious. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9300548) |
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Date: February 9th, 2008 12:39 AM Author: Pontificating principal's office WUSTL is a no name pile of shit in St. Louis. People have heard of Northwestern and it's near Chicago. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9296736) |
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Date: February 9th, 2008 1:36 AM Author: impressive motley preventive strike They are interchangeable peer schools. Go to the one that gives you more money. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9296930) |
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Date: February 9th, 2008 10:28 AM Author: Bespoke glittery mood Subject: I disagree WashU is a nice top 25 school, Northwestern has always been among the top dozen in academic reputation. WashU's recent surge in USnews rankings is largely due to it's innovative spamming techniques to allure poor quality students to apply, and giving significant merit aid to top SAT performers, therefore increasing both accept and yield rate. Despite this, schools don't change overnight just because they enroll a few higher SAT class.
Most of WashU's reputation comes from its' great med school, while Northwestern is strong across the board, a more complete University. |
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Date: February 9th, 2008 11:07 AM Author: Adulterous Fear-inspiring Step-uncle's House Subject: neither is elite I don’t think anyone would say that Northwestern has always been among the "top dozen" schools for academic reputation. Northwestern and Wash U are probably among the top 20 schools for academic reputation. Who cares if one 13 and the other is 16? Both schools are very good, but neither one is really elite. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9297598) |
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Date: February 9th, 2008 12:12 PM Author: Pontificating principal's office I don't think anyone other than Emory sees WUSTL as a peer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9297729) |
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Date: February 9th, 2008 9:57 PM Author: stirring sex offender gaping Northwestern and WUSTL are peers, whether Northwestern fancies it or not. Northwestern seems more selective, but only marginally so.
I suppose Emory can make a case that it's equivalent to Northwestern. They're all in the 14-20 range, on the outside looking in (Cornell, Northwestern, WUSTL, Hopkins, etc) |
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Date: February 9th, 2008 10:42 PM Author: lake violent incel "I suppose Emory can make a case that it's equivalent to Northwestern"
WTF does that have to do with anything?
You're incoherent. |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 12:45 AM Author: Multi-colored Tan Whorehouse What did you not understand? Are you dense? They're all in the 12-20 range, good schools looking up at the elite ones. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9301239) |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 1:27 AM Author: house-broken gaming laptop skinny woman Why did you even say what you said about Emory? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9301419) |
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Date: February 9th, 2008 7:08 PM Author: Elite pea-brained background story Northwestern. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9299472) |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 1:28 AM Author: alcoholic private investor legal warrant Of course. Why would you pick WUSTL for anything other than money? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9301422) |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 1:43 AM Author: Deep Greedy Public Bath Volcanic Crater Subject: Northworstern? Northwestern sucks. Who would want to go to a shitty school in Boston? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9301501) |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 12:54 PM Author: drunken heaven I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but if you're not then you're a noob.
NorTTTeastern is in Boston. |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 10:04 PM Author: Comical dull church building Subject: WUSTL WUSTL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9305454) |
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Date: February 9th, 2008 9:20 PM Author: Sepia diverse trailer park ceo Wash U.
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Date: February 9th, 2008 10:41 PM Author: lake violent incel Aside from the possibility of getting merit aide, there's really no good general reason to attend WUSTL instead of Nothwestern. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9300526) |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 12:50 AM Author: Multi-colored Tan Whorehouse Subject: WUSTL for undergrad Has anyone here ever been to Evanston? It is NOT Chicago. It is a boring suburb. Northwestern's best programs and facilities are not even located on the Evanston campus. For undergrad, WUSTL is better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9301257) |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 1:25 AM Author: Pontificating principal's office WUSTL is in Shit Louis.
Northwestern is in Evanston, which is adjacent to Chicago. Northwestern is next to the El, which will get you to the Loop in about 30 minutes (it varies depending on the time of day).
"Northwestern's best programs and facilities are not even located on the Evanston campus."
You fucking retard. Where do you think Kellogg is? (As if that matters.) Where do you think the journalism school is? Where do you think the communications school is? The only things downtown are the law school and med school.
You have no credibility. ***ALL*** of Northwestern's best programs are at the Evanston campus. |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 1:32 AM Author: Multi-colored Tan Whorehouse Their best facilities are in downtown Chicago. Evanston is a dump. The undergrad population is totally seperated from the law school and the medical school. Thus, there is no opportunity for undergrads to interact with law, health, or medicine. WUSTL has a much nicer campus.
As for "ALL" of Northwestern's best programs being at the Evanston campus, I guess you are saying that law and medicine are not among their best programs. If that is the case, it is hard to argue that Northwestern is that great of a university.
Evanston is boring, freezing suburban hell. There is a hell of a lot more to do in Saint Louis than in bumblefuck Illinois. If you wanted an elite school that is actually IN Chicago, its called University of Chicago. |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 1:51 AM Author: lake violent incel Have you even been to college?
Undergrads and professional students virtually never interact. Why the hell do HS students think they know anything?
Chicago > St. Louis
By the way, Northwestern is something like 12 miles from downtown Chicago, whereas U of Chicago is about 6 miles from downtown Chicago and is not near the subway. |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 1:59 AM Author: Multi-colored Tan Whorehouse Subject: Northwestern is TTT You must go to a very shitty school. At my elite school, undergrads often take graduate and professional classes and interact with graduate professors.
Chicago is a better city than St. Louis. But Northwestern is in EVANSTON. Evanston is 30 minutes away (with no traffic) from Chicago. You can rationalize its shitty location however you like. Hoboken is also close to New York. |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 2:03 AM Author: lake violent incel I'm out of both undergrad and law school. You're a retarded high schooler who manifestly knows nothing.
"undergrads often take graduate and professional classes and interact with graduate professors"
There's no such thing as a "graduate professor" at any decent school. The fact that you think there is means you don't go to a good school. (We would expect that from someone who is still in high school.)
Undergrads DO NOT take professional school classes.
"Evanston is 30 minutes away (with no traffic) from Chicago."
WUSTL is 5 hours from Chicago. |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 2:13 AM Author: Multi-colored Tan Whorehouse "I'm out of both undergrad and law school. You're a retarded high schooler who manifestly knows nothing."
You are an adult lawyer posting on a college student discussion board on a Saturday night. I think you have summed up your credibility level. If you were that well educated and successful, why would a man of your age and status be wasting your time with this?
You must have had a stellar educational background to be roaming college student message boards on weekend evenings to challenge presumed high schoolers to intellectual debates.
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Date: February 10th, 2008 2:17 AM Author: lake violent incel "why would a man of your age and status be wasting your time with this?"
Come to the law board. There are many of us.
Why would I be wasting time like this? Because I'm tired and want to sit on my ass and do nothing.
"You must have had a stellar educational background to be roaming college student message boards on weekend evenings to challenge presumed high schoolers to intellectual debates."
That makes no sense. |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 2:23 AM Author: Multi-colored Tan Whorehouse Subject: Lets listen to the creepy old lawyer Summary:
You are an adult lawyer posting on a college admissions website on a Saturday evening. You're life must be rich. |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 2:27 AM Author: Multi-colored Tan Whorehouse It's sort of pathetic. I can't imagine my dad posting on college discussion boards. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9301693) |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 2:37 AM Author: yapping lascivious indian lodge milk You forgot to switch monikers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9301712) |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 2:39 AM Author: Multi-colored Tan Whorehouse You're the one switching monikers. I've been responding to all 10 of yours. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9301721) |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 1:00 PM Author: drunken heaven Have you ever been to the University of Chicago? No? Then don't talk like it's in the city. It's just as far from the nice parts of Chicago (e.g. the downtown proper) as Northwestern, and it's in the South Side, in just as boring of a place (unless you count the possibility of getting mugged, raped, or shot exciting). There are very few places to eat around the U of C, and there is no direct line on the EL. You have to take a bus into the ghetto to get to it.
Chicago is a great school, even better than Northwestern, but you're utterly mistaken about its proximity to the city and the stuff to do around it. I would rate it worse than New Haven.
FYI: undergrads and grads hardly ever interact at any school, and WashU doesn't even matter. It's a app-generating TTT in the south. |
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Date: May 3rd, 2008 12:08 PM Author: outnumbered bateful space pocket flask Have you ever been to Chicago? It's harder to get downtown from Hyde Park than it is from Evanston! U of C may technically be in Chicago, but those kids never leave Hyde Park because a) they are boring people and b) U of C is pretty fucking isolated.
Evanston is a 25 minute Metra ride right into the loop. |
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Date: February 9th, 2008 10:43 PM Author: Nudist irradiated hospital NU (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9300545) |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 1:27 AM Author: house-broken gaming laptop skinny woman I'd take Northwestern over WUSTL. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9301421) |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 1:37 AM Author: Magenta adventurous bawdyhouse I'd take WUSTL over Northwestern (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9301477) |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 1:29 AM Author: Hilarious gas station hunting ground LOL @ St. Louis! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9301429) |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 1:40 AM Author: Deep Greedy Public Bath Volcanic Crater Subject: Evanston sucks NW is full of bitter UofC rejects. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9301494) |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 1:44 AM Author: lake violent incel St. Ghetto is worse than Evanston.
Northwestern and Chicago, while their stats are similar, do NOT have much overlap between their applicant pools.
You don't know what you're talking about. |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 1:48 AM Author: Deep Greedy Public Bath Volcanic Crater Ghetto? You have no clue what you are talking about.
WUSTL is in one of the nicest areas in the Midwest. It's surrounded by Anheuser-Busch executives homes.
Evanston, on the other hand, it basically senior citizen country. The town HATES Northwestern kids and it is fucking freezing.
You couldn't get into UofC. Get over it.
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Date: February 10th, 2008 1:56 AM Author: lake violent incel "Evanston, on the other hand, it basically senior citizen country."
Really?
Evanston's median age is 32.5. St. Louis's median age is 34.1. |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 2:05 AM Author: Deep Greedy Public Bath Volcanic Crater Maybe because the largest entity in the town limit is a COLLEGE. There is actually more to Saint Louis than a single college.
Having a college chock full of 20 year olds planted down in a small community will drag down your median age. |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 2:10 AM Author: Pontificating principal's office "There is actually more to Saint Louis than a single college."
Yeah, there are a bunch of poor black people and shit loads of crime.
Maybe that's why St. Louis has only about 1/2 of its peak population. |
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Date: February 11th, 2008 9:09 AM Author: wine box office scourge upon the earth Actually, there is a shitload of crime in Evanston too, especially in south evanston. A few years ago students at NU were being assaulted in midday, and I don't think they apprehended the perps. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9307498) |
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Date: February 11th, 2008 1:23 PM Author: burgundy up-to-no-good crackhouse Look under quality of life.
St. Louis - http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/bplive/2006/snapshots/PL2965000.html
Evanston - http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/bplive/2006/snapshots/PL1724582.html
St. Louis's personal crime risk is 4 times higher than Evanstons.
St. Louis's property crime risk is 3.2 times higher than Evanston's.
St. Louis experiences 2,058 personal crime incidents per 100,000 people. Evanston experiences 358.
St. Louis experiences 11,578 property crime incidents per 100,000 people. Evanston experiences 4,209.
What makes you think St. Louis is nice? |
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Date: February 11th, 2008 1:34 PM Author: judgmental pit Those numbers are for St. Louis City, not St. Louis County. They are two different municipalities. WUSTL is located in the county and is surrounded by multi-million dollar homes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9308095) |
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Date: February 11th, 2008 2:01 PM Author: Twisted sick becky I don't have much to offer on the question of whether Northwestern is as good as WUSTL, but I do agree with 1:34 that the WUSTL campus and the surrounding area are VERY nice.
The bad areas of St. Louis might have high crime stats, but WUSTL felt just as safe to me as Northwestern did. |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 2:09 AM Author: Pontificating principal's office "Evanston, on the other hand, it basically senior citizen country."
Link? |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 2:12 AM Author: Nudist irradiated hospital The reason Evanston hates Northwestern is because NU sits on some of the most valuable property in Illinois, but NU pays no property taxes to Evanston. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9301645) |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 2:33 AM Author: Deep Greedy Public Bath Volcanic Crater Thanks for providing one of the reasons. It doesn't lessen the toxic relationship.
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Date: February 10th, 2008 2:14 AM Author: hairless university party of the first part Only high schoolers fooled by WUSTL's spam catalogs think WUSTL is more prestigious. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9301657) |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 2:16 AM Author: Deep Greedy Public Bath Volcanic Crater Who matters more than them? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9301660) |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 2:18 AM Author: hairless university party of the first part High schoolers who aren't fooled.
Employers.
Grad schools. |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 2:22 AM Author: Deep Greedy Public Bath Volcanic Crater If a college has the students with the best scores, it will attain a higher ranking, lure better employers, and produce higher scoring students for grad schools.
If WUSTL can only "fool" a few high schoolers, then why is WUSTL ranked higher than Northwestern. |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 2:36 AM Author: yapping lascivious indian lodge milk That's a tendency, but it's not a strict positive correlation. For instance, Brown and Cornell generally do better than both Northwestern and WUSTL.
It's also questionable to say that WUSTL is ranked higher. Colleges do not change quickly. If you were to average the last 10 years of rankings, you'd find that WUSTL averages 13.4 and NU averages 11.6.
A better metric would be to look at outcomes. Who wins more Rhodes, Fullbrights, top grad school admits, etc? I don't know the answer to that, but I would suspect NU wins in all those categories.
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Date: February 10th, 2008 2:38 AM Author: Deep Greedy Public Bath Volcanic Crater Very fair point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9301717) |
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Date: February 11th, 2008 12:47 PM Author: judgmental pit http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=719921&mc=1&forum_id=1
There is info on Rhodes for the past 10 years. WUSTL wins. |
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Date: February 11th, 2008 1:07 PM Author: burgundy up-to-no-good crackhouse Fulbrights: NU wins 24 to 13
https://us.fulbrightonline.org/documents/chronicle_1.pdf
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Date: February 10th, 2008 2:36 AM Author: Awkward curious school cafeteria Subject: not much academic difference It's obvious there is very little academic difference between Wash U and Northwestern. It comes down to which one offers more money and which school you feel more comfortable at. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9301709) |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 6:00 AM Author: Claret sanctuary athletic conference Cross-admit numbers would speak for themselves, but I can't imagine Northwestern losing that battle. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9302013) |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 8:23 AM Author: stirring sex offender gaping In summary, Northwestern and WUSTL are peers in the 14-20 rank. Pick between them based on social fit and money. Employers and grad schools view them similarly.
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Date: February 10th, 2008 11:47 AM Author: self-centered stimulating cuck I don't think it's true that employers and grad schools view them similarly. I didn't go and am not going to either one. I'd have no trouble putting Northwestern above WUSTL.
Even if that's the case for no other reaseon than irrational bias, such sentiments exist. I've never met anyone other than someone associated with WUSTL who thought WUSTL was better. |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 1:18 PM Author: Snowy Toilet Seat Potus It is quite strange how many people here have been fooled by Wash U's dirty admissions tricks to pull up its ranking. Northwestern > Wash U at the undergraduate level. That isn't really debatable. Yield is an important metric here...Just because a publication decides to rank one school higher than another for a few years doesn't mean much. It takes a long time for the reputation of a school to change in the eyes of employers, graduate and professional schools, and in the general community of academia/the educated. Maybe in 25 years Wash U will be consider by those that are in the know as an equivalent school with Northwestern just as Princeton may be with Harvard or Yale in the future, but we are certainly not at that point yet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9302507) |
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Date: February 10th, 2008 10:04 PM Author: Comical dull church building Subject: Northwestern is OVERRATED A lot of Wash U jealousy on this board. As much as Northwestern hates to hear it, Wash U is ranked higher and has a better undergrad student body and reputation. Personally, I think Northwestern is overrated and should be ranked farther down behind Rice and Emory. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9305450) |
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Date: February 11th, 2008 3:30 AM Author: Pontificating principal's office Overrated relative to what?
Comparatively speaking, no one even knows what WUSTL is. It's hard to have a good reputation when no one knows you exist.
Step out into the real world, turbo. |
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Date: February 11th, 2008 12:46 PM Author: judgmental pit Subject: WUSTL wins for Rhodes Scholars WUSTL has produced 6 Rhodes Scholars in the past ten years, the same number as Brown or MIT (I'm not saying WUSTL is as good as those schools, but just throwing it out there).
NW has produced fewer than 5 in the past 10 years.
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=719921&mc=1&forum_id=1 |
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Date: February 11th, 2008 2:07 PM Author: histrionic dilemma tank Not sure if this is a good measure, but since we're going down this road, you should probably include Marshall and Gates. I know for a fact that Northwestern has had its share over the past few years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9308274) |
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Date: February 12th, 2008 12:22 AM Author: histrionic dilemma tank Raise your hand if you actually went to WUSTL or Northwestern. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9311374) |
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Date: February 13th, 2008 2:23 AM Author: lake violent incel *raises hand* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9317777) |
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Date: February 12th, 2008 4:25 PM Author: Fragrant theatre I go to Northwestern. WUSTL has a great building that reminds me of Princeton, but when it comes to name prestige, it is easily mistaken with George Washington or Georgetown. Northwestern's School of Music, and Medills School of Journalism bring genuine prestige to the intellectual environment. The theater department is responsible for stars and writers from Friends, Will & Grace, and many other shows including Scrubs. Over time, I'd hope the school would stand out even more from the diverse competing schools it has to share the spotlight with (Indiana, Chicago, Rice, UCSC, Berkeley, Cornell, Michigan, UPennWharton). I'm confident in Northwestern's spot today, and the growth over the next 20 years will be phenomenal. I don't think Wustl has half the world-class potential.
Oh and Northwestern hasn't even touched the Marketing level of other colleges. Look at the website and the brochures, and its all completely plain, nothing special, no glamour. With the #1 marketing business and journalism program, youd think the school would self promote itself at the level of other Ivy and elite schools but it really doesn't. Think about the applicant pool when it eventually does turn on the lights. |
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Date: February 12th, 2008 5:07 PM Author: histrionic dilemma tank Where do you get UCSC from? Otherwise, it's a good list of competing schools, other than Wharton which is better than any ugrad business program in the world and doesn't really compete with Northwestern.
Anyway, I don't think people here really care about stars from Friends and Will & Grace. They also probably don't care about Journalism, Music, and Communications programs. In the programs that do matter to people here, Northwestern and WUSTL are just about neck and neck. You could even possibly give the edge to WUSTL in the sciences.
At the end of the day, I think Northwestern is a bit better than WUSTL from a name recognition standpoint, and it's hard to forgive WUSTL its ridiculous admissions games (like waitlisting 40% of the applicant pool, sending the insane spam, etc.). |
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Date: February 12th, 2008 6:30 PM Author: impressive motley preventive strike I disagree that Northwestern doesn't promote itself as much as other schools. I remember Northwestern sending the most spam of any other school when I was applying. Northwestern is often cited a good user of marketing and technology.
I also don't think sophisticated people confuse Wash U with Georgetown or Washington and Lee. The idiots that would are also the same ones who would confuse Northwestern with Northeastern. |
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Date: February 12th, 2008 10:09 PM Author: burgundy up-to-no-good crackhouse No one spams more than WUSTL. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9316430) |
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Date: February 12th, 2008 6:37 PM Author: judgmental pit lol. what's wrong with NW's website? WUSTL's site for prospective undergrads looks like it's straight out of 1999 (http://admissions.wustl.edu/ )
The idea that websites and brochures have a huge impact on where top students matriculate is ridiculous anyways. |
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Date: February 12th, 2008 6:46 PM Author: impressive motley preventive strike LOL. I had never seen their website before. How awful. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9315136) |
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Date: February 12th, 2008 6:52 PM Author: judgmental pit Honestly, with all the millions upon millions they spit out trying to lure good students it's amazing they refuse to hire a competent web designer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9315151) |
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Date: February 12th, 2008 6:53 PM Author: impressive motley preventive strike No shit. Just looked at the one for NU. It smokes the one for WUSTL. I haven't seen a worse one yet
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Date: February 12th, 2008 6:44 PM Author: Deep Greedy Public Bath Volcanic Crater I have to agree that people here don't really care how many sitcom actors Northwestern produces. Nor do they care about the prestige of the theater department, the communications department, or the music department.
In the programs that do matter to people here, it appears that WUSTL has a slight edge. |
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Date: February 12th, 2008 7:04 PM Author: histrionic dilemma tank here's the thing:
I agree that, today, WUSTL and Northwestern are just about indistinguishable. The difference in perception lies in the schools' histories, as others on the thread have already mentioned.
Northwestern has resided in roughly the same peer group of schools for the past 50 years or so. WUSTL, on the other hand, has only been running with this crowd for 10 years at best, probably fewer. That doesn't cement its reputation as far as I'm concerned.
When I hear Northwestern, I think JHU, Rice, Cornell, maybe UChicago and even Duke, depending on where you grew up. When I hear WUSTL, I just have trouble placing it in that group. |
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Date: February 12th, 2008 9:39 PM Author: Free-loading tripping church antidepressant drug In addition to the more specialized programs mentioned, Northwestern is stronger in mathematics, statistics, chemistry, and economics, and in business and law at the graduate level. What are these "programs that do matter to people here"? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9316267) |
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Date: February 12th, 2008 10:39 PM Author: Comical dull church building Subject: WUSTL has higher scores and is more selective WUSTL is better in Medicine, Architecture, Political Science, Philosophy, and most of the Sciences.
But this thread is about undergrad anyway. Aside from being higher ranked, WUSTL has higher SAT scores and is more selective. If NU was so much better than WUSTL, it seems like it wouldn't have less qualified students and a higher admission rate. |
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Date: February 12th, 2008 11:13 PM Author: Free-loading tripping church antidepressant drug I don't think NU is so much better, but I think it is a more desirable school for undergrad, and seems to have better name recognition with top employers. I don't really think WUSTL is necessarily more selective; it seems to buy a lot of high SAT applicants, but I doubt it is any more difficult to get into. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9316831) |
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Date: February 12th, 2008 11:33 PM Author: Comical dull church building Subject: WUSTL 25th percentile SAT higher than NU's I agree that NU is more desirable, but so is NYU. The point is that WUSTL is a better undergrad.
In terms of selectivity, the acceptance rate at WUSTL is nearly 10% below the acceptance rate at NU.
Also, if WUSTL just bought high SAT applicants, then why would its 25th percentile SAT be higher than NU's? |
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Date: February 13th, 2008 12:31 AM Author: Fragrant theatre There is no architecture program, or school of design at Northwestern. But the music and theater program are what make Northwestern compete with Yale Theater, Harvard Film and Julliard and Curtis. The SAT score of Northwestern is lower only because it caters to performers that would never attend WUSTL.
IT IS NOT NYU. NYU is a Trade school, Northwestern is a research school. |
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Date: February 13th, 2008 1:39 AM Author: judgmental pit This must be flame. How can you bash NYU yet rave about Northwestern's performing arts program like it's something to be proud of?
Tisch > Northwestern |
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Date: February 14th, 2008 12:17 AM Author: Fragrant theatre Northwestern is responsible for the highest paid actors in tv history. Period. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9322731) |
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Date: February 14th, 2008 12:52 AM Author: high-end brunch link? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9322912) |
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Date: February 14th, 2008 1:08 AM Author: rough-skinned razzle-dazzle piazza place of business Don't get defensive with me! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9322991) |
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Date: February 14th, 2008 2:03 AM Author: high-end brunch wtf dude? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9323243) |
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Date: February 14th, 2008 3:38 AM Author: Fragrant theatre Are you stoopid?
David Schwimmer -- Ross from Friends Julia Louis Dreyfus -- Elaine from Seinfeld Megan Mullaly -- Karen Walker from Will & Grace Steven Colbert -- Colbert Report
NU practically is the NBC rundown. And might i add they are good actors (not famous for a haircut like Jennifer Aniston) |
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Date: February 14th, 2008 1:01 AM Author: judgmental pit Northwestern: #1 in BIGTVACTING! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9322955) |
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Date: February 14th, 2008 1:09 AM Author: rough-skinned razzle-dazzle piazza place of business A DUDE IS SOMEBODY WHO WORKS ON A RANCH! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9322994) |
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Date: February 14th, 2008 9:37 AM Author: Deep Greedy Public Bath Volcanic Crater "Northwestern is responsible for the highest paid actors in tv history. Period."
LOL!! This guy is fucking hysterical. Keep posting, PLEASE.
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Date: February 14th, 2008 12:39 PM Author: Fragrant theatre are you nigger? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9324660) |
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Date: February 14th, 2008 1:54 PM Author: Deep Greedy Public Bath Volcanic Crater A racist thespian. NU is very unique! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9325059) |
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Date: February 14th, 2008 10:03 AM Author: histrionic dilemma tank You're really hurting your cause more than helping it here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9323867) |
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Date: February 14th, 2008 11:14 AM Author: Multi-colored Tan Whorehouse Northwestern: #1 in BIGSITCOMS! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9324179) |
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Date: February 16th, 2008 9:40 PM Author: Bearded duck-like national codepig Actually, I believe that Carnegie Mellon could contest that....having graduated actors like Holly Hunter, Blair Underwood et al. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9338548) |
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Date: February 13th, 2008 7:18 AM Author: Comical dull church building Subject: I was just acting! "The SAT score of Northwestern is lower only because it caters to performers that would never attend WUSTL."
LOL. You win! Northwestern caters to the performing arts and is a great school.....for actors!
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Date: February 13th, 2008 4:40 AM Author: Claret sanctuary athletic conference Uh, poli sci is not better at WUSTL. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9317949) |
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Date: February 13th, 2008 7:22 AM Author: Comical dull church building Uh, yes it is (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9318034) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2008 5:16 AM Author: Know-it-all heady lodge The correct answer is getting a Poli Sci degree from WUSTL or Northwestern is a huge waste of time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9721293) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2008 12:22 PM Author: Vigorous regret A political science degree from any school is a huge waste of time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9727102) |
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Date: May 4th, 2008 6:23 PM Author: Know-it-all heady lodge HYP government / history UG's seem to do well enough in finance and consulting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9733496) |
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Date: May 4th, 2008 7:27 PM Author: boyish bossy station doesn't matter at the ugrad level. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9733839) |
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Date: February 13th, 2008 8:32 AM Author: Deep Greedy Public Bath Volcanic Crater Are you seriously trying to argue that NU is better because of its performing arts program?!?
How would that explain NU having lower numbers than Wash U? |
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Date: February 13th, 2008 11:56 AM Author: Violent exciting french chef knife Are you seriously trying to figure out the reply button? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9318667) |
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Date: February 16th, 2008 9:37 PM Author: Bearded duck-like national codepig ...just for laughs....an article referencing another Northwestern.....
http://www.bentonhighschool.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1345&Itemid=851
Kelle Head has been named Benton High School Teacher of the Year for the 2008-2009 school year.
Ms. Head graduated from Northwestern State University in Natchitoches with a Bachelor of Arts in Journalism/Public Relations. She worked at Northwestern as an Admissions Counselor/Recruiter while completing her Master of Education Degree. Ms. Head began her teaching career at Bossier High School, where she taught for one semester before coming to teach at Benton High. This is her fifth year at BHS. She currently teaches English III and Yearbook, but she has taught English IV and Spanish I and II. She sponsors the Shere Khan Beauty Pageant and the BHS Yearbook. She has also sponsored SADD and Tiger Girls danceline. Ms. Head has served on the textbook adoption committee for the parish, attended the Advanced Placement Institute in Spanish Language, and participated on the School Improvement team.
Kelle Head is active in her community, especially with political campaigns. She is also an active member of the Northwestern State University alumni association and Sigma Sigma Sigma sorority alumnae association.
Ms. Head says, “I love teaching at Benton High. I honestly think that we are teaching tomorrow’s leaders. It is so rewarding when students and their parents come back after they have graduated and tell you that you made a difference in their lives.” Everyone at Benton High offers their congratulations and agrees that Ms. Head certainly makes a difference!
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Date: May 1st, 2008 8:50 PM Author: brindle depressive pisswyrm I have worked in elite college admissions office with access to confidential data collected. The fact is USNews sells these rankings for money for suckers, so don't take them literally. University Presidents hate the rankings, but are forced to play the dirty games of statistical manipulations by certain ambitious admissions offices:
- taking academically inferior atheletes' stats (SAT, GPA, class ranking) out of calculations because they are not "representative" of regular student body - forcing majority of applicants to be on the waiting list then accepting 90% of them to lower the acceptance rate - counting non-tenured professors (ie. grad students teaching classes) as "faculty" - selectively counting or discounting withdrawen applications depending on stats
Washington U. is guilty of all of the above and the top school administrators all know it.
I'd recommend that you take a different approach and group the elite school on peer levels: 1 Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Stanford 5 UPenn, CalTech, MIT, Columbia, Dartmouth 10 Cornell, Duke, Brown, UChicago, Northwestern
Above grouping also corresponds with competition amongst schools to get the best and the brightest. The rankings change within peer groups but rarely outside the group.
Sorry, but WashU, Rice, Emory, Vanderbilt are all newcomers showing up overrated. Elite kids with options just do not consider them. Only middle and lower class kids who had no parental guidance look at USNews rankings and get duped. I actually attended #19 school during my highschool for Calculus class and scored top 5% of grades, whereas I went to top 15 school for a similar Calculus class and struggled for a B. There is a huge difference of quality between top 15 and the rest. Let me put it this way, the #19 school's calc class had freshmen who scored 4s on AP Calc AB or sophomores. In top 15 school's calc class, everyone had 5s on AP Calc BC and all were freshmen.
We had a common remark regarding school brands: "people who need to know know". |
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Date: May 22nd, 2008 1:52 PM Author: 180 Gay Nursing Home Mexican "Sorry, but WashU, Rice, Emory, Vanderbilt are all newcomers showing up overrated. Elite kids with options just do not consider them. Only middle and lower class kids who had no parental guidance look at USNews rankings and get duped."
LOL, this is absolute bullshit. All 3 of those universities are dominated by the upper middle class. Wash U has the lowest % of students receiving Pell Grants of any school in the nation. |
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Date: May 2nd, 2008 12:10 AM Author: Vigorous regret If I were advising a close friend or family member, I'd tell them only to take WUSTL for money. Northwestern is a better school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9720212) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2008 12:49 AM Author: histrionic dilemma tank problem is, WUSTL gives out more money than NU (which gives no merit aid) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9720433) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2008 12:50 AM Author: Vigorous regret It has to. It's a worse school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9720442) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2008 12:52 AM Author: histrionic dilemma tank credited (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9720449) |
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Date: May 4th, 2008 7:30 PM Author: boyish bossy station i would go to NU in a second. i've never really been able to take wustl seriously. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9733849) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2008 1:18 AM Author: mewling native sound barrier 4 years ago, this would not even be up for discussion... the fact that it is a real discussion suddenly generating tons of comments is interesting. i'm a wustl alum and agree that nu is more prestigious but think that gap has narrowed considerably in a remarkably short period. it would appear washu is in that left lane just about pulled even with nu. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9815331) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2008 1:25 AM Author: burgundy up-to-no-good crackhouse Only those who pray at the Altar of USNews think that.
Well, and WUSTL alums. |
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Date: May 22nd, 2008 2:27 AM Author: mewling native sound barrier for students not particularly concerned with being in a large city and interested in graduate school afterwards, i think wash u is the better choice. usnews reflects the reality that the average wash u student outscored the average nu student on sats at the top and bottom. its only a matter of time before employers, etc adapt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9815489) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2008 2:30 AM Author: mewling native sound barrier It's also interesting getting to know the classmates that said "$#%& it i'm taking the cash" over incremental prestige differences. these tend to be pretty cool people and a big part of the class there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9815499) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2008 2:46 AM Author: cerebral cyan boistinker I'm from the south. Until I relocated to the midwest for grad school, I had never fucking heard of WUSTL. But I was familiar with Northwestern and its reputation.
If you think that both schools are comparable regarding academics and prestige (which to some extent they are), then location STRONGLY favors Northwestern. The campus there is gorgeous and Chicago is a great city. On the other hand, WUSTL has a so-so campus and while some the immediately adjacent neighborhoods are pretty nice, once you go a couple miles from the campus you find yourself in the shitbox that is St. Louise.
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Date: May 22nd, 2008 11:15 AM Author: Sepia diverse trailer park ceo As a Southerner myself, I agree with a lot of the above. But I couldn't disagree more with the statement that WUSTL has a "so-so" campus. WUSTL's campus is amazing, easily one of the three most impressive I visited.
It's really the cities that could make a difference for prospective students. St. Louis is okay, but Chicago is awesome.
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Date: May 22nd, 2008 3:31 PM Author: Bearded duck-like national codepig You haven't visited many campuses, then. Stanford, Duke, Rice, Princeton, Bryn Mawr, Haverford, Swarthmore, Caltech...have you see these campuses? They blow WashU away.... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9817490) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2008 4:39 PM Author: Sepia diverse trailer park ceo Fair point. I didn't visit any LAC's (Swarthmore) or schools in California (CalTech and Stanford), but I know they are supposed to be gorgeous.
I don't know much about Byrn Mawr or Haverford. I didn't apply to either for college.
I have to agree that Princeton blows WashU away.
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Date: May 23rd, 2008 12:42 AM Author: big chapel mediation Swarthmore is gorgeous and is one of the most beatiful campuses i have seen so far. Princeton is equally attractive. Stanford is great but has a very different feel - more of a California look. CalTec..i actually not so sure. It is least attractive among the top schools. NU is a good but all the schools are so spread out. I actually like Upenn with everything in one single campus.
Never been to WUST, so i can't tell. |
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Date: May 23rd, 2008 1:15 AM Author: coral wild shrine The WUSTL campus is beautifully maintained and aesthetically pleasing in general. The primary negative is that except for Brookings Quad, there's little sense of history or antiquity since so many new buildings have been built or old ones heavily renovated within the past 10 years. Some current construction projects in particular have really torn apart the central area of campus (like Penn, WashU is very compact). The particular projects should be wrapping up by fall, but I'm sure it won't be long before the next big project goes underway. I believe it involves bulldozing the few remaining old freshman dorms. The seemingly infinite chain of construction definitely does detract from the overall experience. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=762550&forum_id=1#9819113) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2008 12:35 PM Author: aphrodisiac umber macaca Subject: midwest Universities 1) Chicago 2) Northwestern <GAP>
3) Notre Dame/Wash U./Michigan/Wisconsin |