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Harvard's Motivation in Assuming a Record Breaking 85% Yield
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Date: April 7th, 2008 10:00 AM Author: Lake Internal Respiration Subject: It seems to me they simply wanted to generate headlines regarding a record breaking 7% admit rate. How could it possibly assume a substantially higher yield than last year's 78% when it eliminated SCEA, a group whose yield was traditionally in the 90% range. If we assume a modestly lower (than last year's) yield of 75% (as H's peers did), then the admit rate is approximately 8.0%, or essentially the same as Yale's 8.3%. There is no way that it is reasonable to assume an 85% admit rate - nor an 80% admit rate. So I believe H was simply acting to generate headlines, and was not simply being conservative to avoid overenrollment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=795492&forum_id=1#9590013) |
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Date: April 7th, 2008 12:29 PM Author: galvanic maize philosopher-king center The admit and yield depend on how many each school takes from the WL don't they, after we see who shows up in September?
And summer melt?
And on when we get REAL app totals - with the incompletes and withdrawns netted out? |
Date: April 7th, 2008 10:45 AM Author: marvelous poppy son of senegal oops. Sorry bout the false accusation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=795492&forum_id=1#9590123) |
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Date: April 7th, 2008 3:06 PM Author: Lake Internal Respiration Subject: I'm not DMD11 As to fans comment, of course final yield and acceptance rate depend on how many are admitted of the wait list and summer melt etc. But by then, no one is paying attention, and the headline grabbing 7.1% admit rate (which has since become 8.1%) is what's remembered. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=795492&forum_id=1#9591330) |
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Date: April 7th, 2008 5:19 PM Author: galvanic maize philosopher-king center Subject: Either way, a record of sorts, eh? Not that "admit rate" is all that significant a statistic - particularly when a school relies on the early admissions crutch. Levin may have outsmarted himself again.
In any event, having a low admit rate is apparently a mixed blessing. You will recall that after Yale had an 8.9% admit rate for the class of 2010 (initially trumpeted as an "Ivy record" 8.6%) that its app rate fell off to 10% for the Class of 2011, and a yield rate of 69.1%, and the Admissions Office speculated that applicants must have been "scared off" by the low admit rate the year before! |
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Date: April 8th, 2008 10:22 AM Author: Lake Internal Respiration Subject: good point about the mixed blessing nature of a low admit rate. Yale definitely got hit by the Yogiism the following year: noone goes to that restaurant anymore - its too crowded! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=795492&forum_id=1#9596040) |
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Date: April 8th, 2008 10:25 AM Author: galvanic maize philosopher-king center Subject: That rationaliation was hogwash, IMHO Having the lowest admit rate last year (and most years) never seems to have hurt Harvard;
Similarly, I don't think anyone who otherwise wants to apply to Yale changes his or her mind depending on whether the admit rate is 8.9%, 10% or 10.9%. |
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Date: April 8th, 2008 12:01 PM Author: Electric spot quadroon yea its a pretty ridiculous assertion (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=795492&forum_id=1#9596401) |
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Date: April 8th, 2008 12:25 PM Author: Lake Internal Respiration Subject: As a General Rule, You are probably right, however, in the early admissions cycle for the class of 11, I do think there were those who were discouraged from applying early to Y, given its 16% early admissions admit rate for 10, compared to Harvard's 27% and Princeton's 33%.
Note All 10 early admit rates are approximations and I have not bothered to recheck them, but they are essentially correct, I believe |
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Date: April 22nd, 2008 12:51 PM Author: galvanic maize philosopher-king center Subject: Repapa's yield projection in February: Date: February 15th, 2008 1:11 PM Author: repapa Subject: My projections
Harvard: APPS 27,278, yield 72%; class size 1650; admits 2300; admit rate: 8.4%
Yale: Apps 22528, yield 65%; class size 1320; admits 2030, admit rate: 9.0%
Princeton: Apps: 20,118; yield 58%; class size 1250; admits 2155; admit rate: 10.7% |
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Date: April 22nd, 2008 1:01 PM Author: galvanic maize philosopher-king center Subject: Waitlist admission numbers required to fulfill this projection: At Harvard - 452 At Princeton - 199 At Yale - 138 |
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Date: April 22nd, 2008 1:03 PM Author: Electric spot quadroon thatd be some intense waitlist use
tho i do expect it to be big...esp at H |
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Date: April 22nd, 2008 5:12 PM Author: galvanic maize philosopher-king center Maybe less than previously anticipated, however. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=795492&forum_id=1#9666594) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2008 5:17 PM Author: Electric spot quadroon than anticipated by repapa? sure.
whats your estimate? ill throw overall at 77% (tho ive never payed close enough attention to know if that even makes sense) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2008 5:30 PM Author: galvanic maize philosopher-king center I think it may be 76% - meaning no more than 200 or so from the WL. Just a wild guess based on no early information. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=795492&forum_id=1#9666700) |
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Date: April 8th, 2008 12:29 PM Author: Mint liquid oxygen Subject: Do we judge schools by popularity/marketing ability or QUALITY? What Nycfan & Repapa want you to believe
Both nycfan and repapa have argued that the 10 plus year old Revealed Preference study should be given enormous weight (perhaps more than anything else) in deciding the quality of a school's education because it reveals the college choices of high school teens. But this thinking is fatally flawed. If, in fact, teens are in the best situation to judge a college, then how do you explain the following:
http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=669903&forum_id=1#8493068
Do you really think the students at the school identified in the first link knew what they were getting into when they were in high school? Do you really believe they expected to have this level of dissatisfaction with their education?
Of course not.
Students best able to evaluate a college are those currently attending the college, not high school teens getting bombarded with brochures loaded with nycfan type propaganda.
Here are the rankings of what college students believe:
http://www.collegeprowler.com/find/guides-by-ranking.aspx?section=Academics
http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/visits/college_rank_summary.html
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Date: April 22nd, 2008 4:23 PM Author: rusted boiling water question: why do you people care? why do you spend so much time arguing about which Ivy league school is better? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=795492&forum_id=1#9666333) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2008 6:57 PM Author: galvanic maize philosopher-king center Subject: Who's arguing? Cross admits are free to choose and they will. The St Lawrence Guy ("deller" etc etc) is the only one who gets hysterical about which school is "better". (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=795492&forum_id=1#9667184) |