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NPR or Merrill?
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Date: May 1st, 2008 2:49 PM Author: arousing box office incel Subject: which sounds like the better deal? Merrill Lynch Wealth Management/Advisor, I know its not banking or anything too special.
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NPR News Reporting, Assitant to Business News Reporter
I know these aren't the best of the best, but hey it's what I was able to scrap in a short amount of time. But which one sounds better? |
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Date: May 1st, 2008 2:51 PM Author: Massive background story therapy completely depends on what you want to do with your life. Personally, I'd go with NPR. from what I've seen, "financial advisors," even at brand-name firms are just salespeople who exist in a completely different universe from the analysts and other bankers. if you're gonna be making 35k/year, why not do something a bit outside of the box? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=807370&forum_id=1#9717329) |
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Date: May 1st, 2008 3:17 PM Author: Poppy jewess menage Completely agree. You said it better than I would've, though, I think. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=807370&forum_id=1#9717461) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2008 7:44 PM Author: Exciting Burgundy Psychic Preventive Strike Titcr, I know a man who used to be a so-called Financial Advisor for American Express (or perhaps it was VISA?) and he was exactly as described ... a glorified salesman working on some sort of bizarre commission and even then only making some fairly low salary compared to that which might be expected from his job title. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=807370&forum_id=1#9723958) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2008 8:13 PM Author: Vibrant property Banking is all about selling, but it's just selling larger things to big corporations. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=807370&forum_id=1#9724085) |
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Date: May 1st, 2008 3:48 PM Author: rose azn pisswyrm NPR, it will be a more interesting experience when you interview for jobs next year. You can say you looked at things objectively, from a distance. Most importantly, the supervisors and writers you'll be working with have substantive experience and should be good writers/thinkers. At Merrill, they'll be teaching you to push product. Nothing more, nothing less. So when you interview for jobs, unless you're looking for sales/broker jobs, I'd say the NPR job looks better. It's also business news and NPR has good business news. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=807370&forum_id=1#9717656) |
Date: May 1st, 2008 3:27 PM Author: Idiotic pale fortuitous meteor useless brakes i think i would go with npr. if you really make an effort to get to know people and work hard it seems like it can be a really good experience. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=807370&forum_id=1#9717528) |
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Date: May 1st, 2008 3:30 PM Author: Henna slap-happy toilet seat I've done radio reporting for a living. Merrill, hands down. Radio is a lifestyle that will make you poor and suck your soul. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=807370&forum_id=1#9717551) |
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Date: May 1st, 2008 4:21 PM Author: puce pit dingle berry npr is kinda effete (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=807370&forum_id=1#9717848) |
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Date: May 1st, 2008 7:56 PM Author: Vibrant property I'll break it down for you. Merrill Lynch GPC is like a used car lot of the finance world. They sell you shitty products that the salesman doesn't know much about in any way they can. Granted, it's one of the better used car lots, but one nonetheless.
NPR is a radio station that no bankers respect or listen to, and it definitely doesn't provide you with any financial skills. BUT I think you may be able to use it to your advantage IF you can build a unique story around it for interviews.
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Date: May 1st, 2008 9:20 PM Author: puce pit dingle berry doubtful (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=807370&forum_id=1#9719256) |
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Date: May 1st, 2008 9:41 PM Author: Vibrant property You're right, but its more doable than the story that goes, "I cold called some people for my FA" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=807370&forum_id=1#9719396) |
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Date: May 1st, 2008 9:50 PM Author: puce pit dingle berry I don't think so. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=807370&forum_id=1#9719442) |
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Date: May 1st, 2008 9:53 PM Author: Vibrant property I trust you are drawing on your extensive banking experience with that reply. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=807370&forum_id=1#9719453) |
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Date: May 1st, 2008 9:58 PM Author: puce pit dingle berry doesn't matter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=807370&forum_id=1#9719491) |
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Date: May 1st, 2008 9:52 PM Author: Massive background story therapy i knew a couple of guys in college who took FA positions with morgan-stanley and used to talk idiot girls into believing that they were i-bankers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=807370&forum_id=1#9719449) |
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Date: May 1st, 2008 9:53 PM Author: Vibrant property "morgan-stanley" lulz (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=807370&forum_id=1#9719456) |
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Date: May 1st, 2008 9:55 PM Author: Massive background story therapy the FAs had this massive office out in the burbs where they worked like two to a cubicle and fought for $1,000 referral fees. in fact, the two guys ended up ending their friendship over a disputed referral fee. it was pretty funny. one of them is still in the Morgan-Stanley Facebook network even though he hasn't worked at their FA shop for almost 3 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=807370&forum_id=1#9719460) |
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Date: May 1st, 2008 9:56 PM Author: Vibrant property MS has a decent private bank actually, but all WM is trash. there's no "-" btw.
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Date: May 1st, 2008 9:58 PM Author: Massive background story therapy ah, ok. Just goes to show how extensive my finance experience is (i file my taxes once a year, I think). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=807370&forum_id=1#9719481) |
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Date: May 1st, 2008 9:58 PM Author: puce pit dingle berry they do ok. Of course3 people wash out but likely no more than the percentage that leave banking. "ionvestment banking" is secondary to other positions in the inudtry anywya. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=807370&forum_id=1#9719485) |
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Date: May 1st, 2008 10:02 PM Author: Vibrant property I hate how you pretend to know anything about this subject, but oh well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=807370&forum_id=1#9719509) |
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Date: May 1st, 2008 10:04 PM Author: puce pit dingle berry dude, i can't even type (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=807370&forum_id=1#9719513) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2008 10:31 AM Author: arousing box office incel Subject: whenever someone has wealth management.... listed as their job on facebook, does that usually mean they're financial advisors? I've seen a lot of people with Wealth Management or Private Wealth Management on their facebook and never put the two and two together. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=807370&forum_id=1#9721548) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2008 9:55 AM Author: Bearded space police squad Yes, they are the same. Asset Management is the management arm for institutional assets and general "mutual funds" type products, whereas Wealth Management is Private Banking. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=807370&forum_id=1#9726737) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2008 12:25 PM Author: Vibrant property however, private banking is usually a lot more prestigious than general wealth management. The difference being you typically have around 20-30 clients and manage around $1B in assets, the latter you have 300 clients and manage $300M in assets. The concentration in wealth allows you to invest heavily in alternative investments (PE, HF, MLP, etc.), whereas wealth management sticks almost exclusively to typical vehicles such as mutual funds. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=807370&forum_id=1#9727119) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2008 2:49 PM Author: Copper diverse community account home NPR, you can spin that better and it won't feel sleazy and they'll actually expect you to use writing skills at NPR. Nothing wrong with learning about sales, but the MS thing is sales, bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=807370&forum_id=1#9722415) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2008 7:39 PM Author: arousing box office incel Subject: NPR is actually the better choice, you're right. But I couldn't even spin the MS thing into a Private Wealth Management gig? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=807370&forum_id=1#9723932) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2008 7:46 PM Author: Exciting Burgundy Psychic Preventive Strike You can always spin everything into something else (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=807370&forum_id=1#9723968) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2008 1:05 PM Author: Flatulent Circlehead Garrison No, you can't spin that better. As someone who has tried to do that before with a Dow Jones program, I can tell you recruiters are not that impressed. And I actually wrote stories, I wasn't an assistant. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=807370&forum_id=1#9727247) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2008 5:15 PM Author: arousing box office incel Subject: I know a guy from NYU... who spun his wealth management gigs at Morgan and landed a stint at a firm in NY. Granted it wasn't GS or any of the top firms but a smaller lesser known one. Not trying to play him up or anything. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=807370&forum_id=1#9728216) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2008 1:57 AM Author: topaz lascivious hominid location NPR. Others have already touched on all the reasons I would offer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=807370&forum_id=1#9725739) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2008 3:47 PM Author: puce pit dingle berry they're all gay and wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=807370&forum_id=1#9727830) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2008 2:59 PM Author: Henna slap-happy toilet seat Everyone telling the OP NPR has never worked in radio.
I've worked in radio. Even though Merrill is pretty much a sales gig, it's also a better one.
Trust me. Don't go there. |
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Date: May 3rd, 2008 5:13 PM Author: arousing box office incel Subject: well the whole point is to eventually land a gig... in business/economic (maybe political) reporting, i.e. Bloomberg, Reuters, etc.
Granted this is only my first internship but which one would help me land a better one senior year that's closer to the field I eventually want to go in?
Again, thanks for the info guys. |
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Date: May 3rd, 2008 5:23 PM Author: Vibrant property Why didn't you say this before??
Do NPR then, easy choice. |
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Date: May 3rd, 2008 6:57 PM Author: puce pit dingle berry he's flamer in all senses of the word.. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=807370&forum_id=1#9728703) |
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Date: May 4th, 2008 2:02 PM Author: Henna slap-happy toilet seat Then take the time you need to find a print or television gig.
Radio is not respected by the other forms of journalism, with good reason. |
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Date: May 4th, 2008 3:17 PM Author: arousing box office incel Subject: how hard is it to land an internship with Bloomberg? I knew of a guy who had a lousy gpa yet was able to land something with them in DC. How competitive is their summer program? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=807370&forum_id=1#9732640) |
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Date: May 4th, 2008 5:41 PM Author: Flatulent Circlehead Garrison I have two friends who are interning with Bloomberg this summer. One guy had previously interned at CNN; The other one came from a deal with his school paper. Bloomberg has some direct-recruiting deals with college newspapers, where they take 1 person from the college paper every year, etc. If you don't have that advantage, it can be competitive but it has nothing to do with your GPA. They want to see that you can write and report quickly and accurately. Do you have reporting experience? They are not going to be impressed with an internship assisting another reporter. You need published/aired clips of your own, usually hard news pieces on deadline.
I actually was speaking to a Bloomberg recruiter last week and I'll tell you right now, they are very uppity and quite cold even after they accept you for an internship.
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Date: May 4th, 2008 10:29 PM Author: arousing box office incel Subject: so they want to see previous journalism experience? I have no reporting experience. I guess I can count that one out. Is it the same at Reuters? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=807370&forum_id=1#9734728) |
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Date: May 4th, 2008 11:47 PM Author: Flatulent Circlehead Garrison Your application needs to include published newspaper clips or tapes of broadcast work. I don't think they will consider you without that, unless you know someone there and have a crazy connection. Reuters requires two letters or recommendation from people who are familiar with your writing and reporting (ie. previous internship supervisors).
I got rejected from Reuters' summer internship and also the Wall Street Journal; I've had four reporting internships during undergrad: I was part of Dow Jones' business reporting program; I've worked at mid to large sized Gannett and McClatchy papers on their business desks; I've been published in a lot of papers, including The Washington Post. I accepted an internship with the Associated Press this summer instead.
If this is a route you really want to try for, my advice is take the NPR internship and use your own initiative to try to work on some of your own stories. Pitch ideas to your editors there and see if they will let you work on a few things on your own. Then you can send these with your application to Reuters and Bloomberg. (Make sure you also try the AP and Dow Jones) If you have a year left of school, try to then use your experience at NPR to apply to freelance or string for a publication like WSJ or Businessweek -- they take part-time interns or stringers during the year (I don't know where you live though... some locations might not work). During the year it is much easier than for the summer. Then by the Fall, you can apply for summer internships for after graduation. A lot of places hire out of these internships. The application process is early, as in deadlines are usually around Oct and Nov for summer internships.
Good luck! |