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9/11 Conspiracy Theory: Bush Administration Plan and Executed it
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Date: September 9th, 2012 6:51 PM Author: Bonkers Nursing Home Any merit to this commonly hold view (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21537801) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 6:56 PM Author: passionate faggot firefighter hospital probably not bush himself, who was too much of a dolt to plan something like that. he was merely a useful idiot in the whole scheme.
more like cheney.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSl-4176WKU#t=7m28s |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 6:58 PM Author: Bonkers Nursing Home so u think america bombed itself? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21537887) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 6:59 PM Author: lascivious crystalline gaping pit (literal retard) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21537898) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 7:00 PM Author: passionate faggot firefighter hospital it's not a liberal/conservative issue. it's a nationalist/neocon-globalist issue. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21537907) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:39 PM Author: twisted dysfunction psychic take it from a level-headed fellow like me: you are retarded (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21539482) |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 1:44 PM Author: Spectacular place of business chapel Then y u hiding behind a pumo, chief? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#22371621) |
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Date: September 10th, 2012 2:32 PM Author: Bonkers Nursing Home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21544242) |
Date: September 9th, 2012 6:58 PM Author: Saffron Hyperventilating Space no way this happened. the simplest explanation is usually the right one. it was terrorists, bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21537885) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 6:59 PM Author: Bonkers Nursing Home how is it no way? I mean, didn't the US want a reason to go after Saddam and Osama bin? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21537893) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 7:00 PM Author: Saffron Hyperventilating Space but they were already after them. it did not require something on the scale of 9/11. Remember yellow cake? Remember the prior ops to try to take out Osama that were squandered by Clinton? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21537918) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 7:04 PM Author: Bonkers Nursing Home True, but could really Al-Qaeda pull such a spectacularly complex operation (that required ensuring all intelligence agencies of the world, including the best of the best, of being unaware of their design and execution). I mean, the whole thing is incredibly bizarre. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21537957) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 7:05 PM Author: Hairraiser Den i hope this is flame. edit: i gather you're just playing devil's advocate though, as you often do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21537970) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 7:06 PM Author: Bonkers Nursing Home well, explain to me how the CIA, M16 and Mossad never were aware of Al-Qaeda militants in Tora Bora mountains executing 9/11 operation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21537978) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 7:07 PM Author: Hairraiser Den how should i know? besides, i thought you were arguing that the us executed the operation, not that it was unlikely that the US didn't know about Al-Qaeda's plan before it was executed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21537990) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 7:09 PM Author: Saffron Hyperventilating Space 2 possible explanations:
1. they had no idea because they were planning this in the tora bora mountains and felt that their defenses were strong enough to detect any plan going into action
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2. 9/11 was one of a zillion different possible plans by these types of organizations. since you have limited resources, you can only follow so many, and even then only the most likely. |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:40 PM Author: twisted dysfunction psychic right, because sneaking a few box cutters onto a commercial flight is an "incredibly complex" operation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21539497) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 7:07 PM Author: Saffron Hyperventilating Space that's the consequence of laziness and insufficient resources more than anything. My uncle is a police officer and I went out with him on a ridealong recently. I have some law enforcement training and he's a 20 year police vet. The way he approached the car was just pure laziness and he was ill prepared should the person in the car decide to do anything. Having nothing happen after thousands of encounters will lead to this kind of laziness. I think something similar happened with the border patrol and airport security.
As for the plan, I don't think the design itself was anything special or something that would necessarily draw a lot of attention. |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 7:11 PM Author: Bonkers Nursing Home Dude, to pull off the 9/11 operation required absolutely impeccable planning. Not sure if ya know how intelligence works, but shit like this is incredibly hard to keep secret, especially from the CIA and M16, two of the premier intelligence gathering agencies of the world. And to pull this operation off in continental US is further testament to its complexity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21538022) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 7:12 PM Author: Hairraiser Den yeah it's super complicated to board a plane with boxcutters (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21538028) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 7:13 PM Author: Saffron Hyperventilating Space I think you're sort of out of the loop on how cells work. I mean, there were only like 20 people maximum that had to know the intricate workings of the plan. Add to that coded messages, prepaid cellphones and whatever else, and how the fuck are you even going to begin to capture their communications?? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21538033) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 7:27 PM Author: Bonkers Nursing Home Idk, how can the CIA catch shit all the time though? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21538164) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:42 PM Author: appetizing deranged hall It doesn't. Aldrich Ames operated as double agent for decades without being caught. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21539528) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:43 PM Author: Low-t arousing plaza wrinkle your a fucking idiot and no-one should respond to you. i hope you get banned and fucking die. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21539539) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 8:24 PM Author: Zippy location Wasn't Bin Laden a CIA asset? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21538674) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:42 PM Author: appetizing deranged hall No, he was an ISI asset. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21539530) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:41 PM Author: twisted dysfunction psychic "Dude, to pull off the 9/11 operation required absolutely impeccable planning."
dumbest post of the decade |
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Date: September 11th, 2012 1:25 PM Author: turquoise electric whorehouse cr. so hard to bring box cutters on a plane amirite? THINK OF THE PLANNING! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21552979) |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 1:50 PM Author: Heady umber potus Plus, I think it would be easier for a 20 person cell to do this than the us govt. I really don't see why the CIA would have an easier time pulling it off. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#22371646) |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 2:18 PM Author: fragrant school cafeteria genital piercing that's no necessarily the simplest explanation here, though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#22371766) |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 2:20 PM Author: henna voyeur But it is the most likely to occur in a cartoon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#22371778) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 7:13 PM Author: Buff house mother they were fixated on nuclear missile defense and didn't take al-qaeda seriously. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21538038) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 7:15 PM Author: Saffron Hyperventilating Space False, they just didn't have the resources to uncover every possible crazy plan of every terrorist group out there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21538050) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 7:19 PM Author: Buff house mother you're wrong.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/12/politics/12clarke.html
http://www.fas.org/nuke/control/abmt/news/010501bush.html |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 7:20 PM Author: Bonkers Nursing Home nice pwnage. But do you think Bush intentionally refused to investigate further cuz he wanted it to happen?
And did Bush have foreknowledge of the attack? Cuz if he did, that is fuckin criminal no his part. |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 7:22 PM Author: Buff house mother no, i don't think so, i think they just had different priorities. any administration only has the ability to focus on a few things at a time. they believed al qaeda had been hyped by the clinton administration and that north korea was a bigger deal. this fit their ideological prejudices. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21538111) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 7:23 PM Author: Saffron Hyperventilating Space LOL, ok dude, none of those links contradict what I said. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21538121) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 7:25 PM Author: Buff house mother LOL OK MAN (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21538139) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 7:16 PM Author: Saffron Hyperventilating Space Brother, have you read The Looming Tower at all? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21538058) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 7:18 PM Author: Bonkers Nursing Home no. Cliff notes plz? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21538080) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 7:21 PM Author: Saffron Hyperventilating Space probably one of the best modern books I have read. Goes behind the scenes, in detail, of the leadup to 9/11:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Looming-Tower-Al-Qaeda-Road/dp/1400030846/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1347232869&sr=8-1&keywords=Looming+Tower |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 7:22 PM Author: Bonkers Nursing Home 553 pages? I'll probably just read the book review then.
What is your opinion about the OP Title? |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 7:24 PM Author: Saffron Hyperventilating Space it's also available on audiobook, which is what I did. very good book.
my opinion? I'm the pumo above, so I think you already know it |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 10:34 PM Author: cerise nubile ticket booth electric furnace but what does it reveal? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21540123) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 7:31 PM Author: Sick Cruise Ship weirdest things to me about 9/11 are: -molten metal at bottom of debris pile -the passports surviving the crash in good condition and being found in the piles of dust on the street on the same day -the empty hole and gigantic debris field in shanksville -the pentagon crash is pretty weird, and I wish they'd release at least ONE video or picture clearly showing what happened. |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 7:34 PM Author: Buff house mother they probably shot down united 93, bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21538218) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 8:34 PM Author: Bonkers Nursing Home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21538785) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 8:35 PM Author: Narrow-minded brass roommate Truly the only logical explanation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21538794) |
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Date: September 11th, 2012 1:45 PM Author: metal cuckold fortuitous meteor your forgot a big one. namely the fucking fact that one of our buddies in paki ISI wired atta an assload of money. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21553103) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 7:46 PM Author: Low-t arousing plaza wrinkle believing that 9/11 was an inside job i believe is one of the best possible tests for mental illness known to medicine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21538317) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 7:46 PM Author: Bonkers Nursing Home explain
-the passports surviving the crash in good condition and being found in the piles of dust on the street on the same day
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Date: September 9th, 2012 8:16 PM Author: Low-t arousing plaza wrinkle first, i don't even understand the point of this line of argument. are you saying there were no plane crashes or that the planes did not really explode?
regardless, shit like this happens all the time in plane accidents. not everything immediately eviscerates. all sorts of luggage and items are located after a plane crash. obviously there was dust everywhere- the buildings collapsed and caused that.
also, weren't these domestic flights? why are there so many passports |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 8:22 PM Author: Aromatic ultramarine pervert jazzy, respond to the post below re: WTC7 and the explosions. You have to admit that some things were suspicious. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21538648) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 8:41 PM Author: Low-t arousing plaza wrinkle responded (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21538845) |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 1:55 PM Author: floppy legend When space shuttle Columbia crashed from orbit, a bin full of petri dishes survived intact. Shit happens, faggot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#22371667) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 7:47 PM Author: passionate faggot firefighter hospital i think the most plausible inside job theory is that the saudis trained the hijackers directly and got them into america with the collusion of at least a couple of high-ranking american officials. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21538327) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 7:50 PM Author: Bonkers Nursing Home why would saudis, presumably our best allies in ME after Israel, want to do that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21538352) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 8:18 PM Author: Low-t arousing plaza wrinkle "at least a couple of high ranking american officials"
explain in reasonable detail exactly how a couple of high ranking officials facilitated 9/11. |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 8:23 PM Author: Bonkers Nursing Home and explain how these individuals kept their knowledge and interaction with the saudis secret without any leaks thus far (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21538659) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 8:13 PM Author: Aromatic ultramarine pervert I think elements of the US government were complicit in the attacks in some capacity. There is no other tenable explanation for the collapse of Building 7 or the fact that 100+ people heard/saw/were killed by explosions in all three towers in places far removed from the impact zone, like the lobby. See, e.g., http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXpJQRVjHX0.
For anyone who believes the government version, please watch this and tell me what you see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWorDrTC0Qg. I see a controlled demolition, and it's not even close. Consider that NIST's own computer model (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIAK6PAeyn8&feature=related) looks nothing like the actual collapse and that they never released any of the data they used to make it. |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 8:14 PM Author: Bonkers Nursing Home What about the Pentagon crash? That seems suspicious as well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21538574) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 8:15 PM Author: Aromatic ultramarine pervert Agreed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21538582) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 8:17 PM Author: Bonkers Nursing Home I wonder whether those who planned 9/11 in the upper echelons of government really think our adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan (and now our shitty drone programs half across the world) is worth it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21538599) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 8:30 PM Author: Low-t arousing plaza wrinkle are you a structural engineer? an expert in blast dynamics? how have you fact checked these videos? what is it unbelievable that a fire caused a third building to collapse, considering two other buildings collapsed from fire hours earlier?
also, what is the practical inference that is supposed to be made from this line of reasoning? that a third plane was supposed to crash into that building (but it failed)? |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 8:46 PM Author: Aromatic ultramarine pervert 1) No, I'm not a structural engineer or an expert in blast dynamics. However, there's a nonprofit called Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth that circulated a petition signed by more than 1700 certified architects and engineers asking for a new investigation into the towers' collapse.
2) What facts do you want checked? Hundreds of people heard explosions coming out of the towers; it's very easy to verify that with some simple youtubing. What I posted was typical of videos out there. The other two videos were compiled footage of WTC7 and NIST's computer model; you can judge both for yourself.
EDIT: In response to your additions. Yes, I do find it unbelievable that fire could have made any of the towers collapse the way they did. Specifically w/r/t Building 7: it collapsed (1) at free-fall speed (meaning there was no resistance from the structure below it; this is not how buildings collapse--watch a video of a hydraulic demolition); (2) completely symmetrically; and (3) in a manner that reduced the building to dust. And it was steel-framed. I simply cannot imagine how fire alone could have produced those three characteristics. Similar arguments for WTC1 and 2, but WTC7 is the most striking because there was also no structural damage.
Regarding the practical inference: no idea, bro. Others have put forth various theories, but speculating about those things is a waste of time at this point imo. |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:08 PM Author: Low-t arousing plaza wrinkle So, out of 1.733 million engineers, 1,700 signed the petition, meaning 99.9% of engineers did not give a fuck...if you got 1700 random shitlawyers to sign some petition, would you give a fuck?
The 2010 Statistical Yearbook of the United States Census Bureau reports that there are 233,000 architects in the United States for the year 2008. They represent 0.16% of the total 145,362,000 employed Americans for the same year. 24.8% of American architects are female while 8.2% are Hispanic.
In 2006, there were 1.5 million employed engineers. For a breakdown, see http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos027.htm
Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_engineers_are_in_the_United_States#ixzz261aK2kRy |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:17 PM Author: Aromatic ultramarine pervert This is a fair point. Keep in mind that the petition is public, so there are legitimate reasons besides disbelief why people wouldn't be willing to sign it.
I would like to see results from a much wider, anonymous survey of engineers re: their thoughts on the collapses. If there were a *legitimate* consensus that the official story is plausible, I'd give the doubting up. It's not like I want to believe that the US government took part in murdering thousands of its own citizens. |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:20 PM Author: Low-t arousing plaza wrinkle OMG 1700 lawyers signed a petition saying that OBAMACARE/CITIZENS UNITED are UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!! STOP TEH PRESSES!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21539233) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:23 PM Author: Aromatic ultramarine pervert This is non-responsive and kinda dumb, honestly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21539270) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:32 PM Author: Low-t arousing plaza wrinkle "If there were a *legitimate* consensus that the official story is plausible, I'd give the doubting up."
You are setting up an impossible standard. You will deride any "consensus" as not meeting your *legitimate* standard. |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:51 PM Author: Aromatic ultramarine pervert No, it's not impossible, and no, I won't. I just want to see the results of a real, independent, well-funded investigation that rigorously evaluates different hypotheses against the observed phenomena. Until I see such results, I will doubt the 9/11 Commission and NIST reports. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21539638) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 10:09 PM Author: Low-t arousing plaza wrinkle "No, it's not impossible, and no, I won't. I just want to see the results of a real, independent, well-funded investigation that rigorously evaluates different hypotheses against the observed phenomena."
SOMETHING THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 10:13 PM Author: Aromatic ultramarine pervert I'm not sure what your point is. Are you saying that such an investigation isn't possible/practicable, or that such an investigation would never meet that standard in my eyes? Either way, I disagree. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21539909) |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 1:23 PM Author: diverse theater ";;:;;::;:::;:;;:;;;:;:;;:;;:;;;;::;" sounds intentionally argumentative or recklessly dumb. |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 8:35 PM Author: Bespoke garnet becky boltzmann it's only a "commonly held view" in the part of the world where your family comes from. hth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21538799) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 8:42 PM Author: Ruby goyim school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21538858) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 8:42 PM Author: Ruby goyim school do u think pearl harbor was too, lil breh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21538859) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 8:43 PM Author: appetizing deranged hall BUSH: So, what's the plan again?
CHENEY: Well, we need to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. So what we've decided to do is crash a whole bunch of remote-controlled planes into Wall Street and the Pentagon, say they're real hijacked commercial planes, and blame it on the towelheads; then we'll just blow up the buildings ourselves to make sure they actually fall down.
RUMSFELD: Right! And we'll make sure that some of the hijackers are agents of Saddam Hussein! That way we'll have no problem getting the public to buy the invasion.
CHENEY: No, Dick, we won't.
RUMSFELD: We won't?
CHENEY: No, that's too obvious. We'll make the hijackers Al Qaeda and then just imply a connection to Iraq.
RUMSFELD: But if we're just making up the whole thing, why not just put Saddam's fingerprints on the attack?
CHENEY: (sighing) It just has to be this way, Dick. Ups the ante, as it were. This way, we're not insulated if things go wrong in Iraq. Gives us incentive to get the invasion right the first time around.
BUSH: I'm a total idiot who can barely read, so I'll buy that. But I've got a question. Why do we need to crash planes into the Towers at all? Since everyone knows terrorists already tried to blow up that building complex from the ground up once, why don't we just blow it up like we plan to anyway, and blame the bombs on the terrorists?
RUMSFELD: Mr. President, you don't understand. It's much better to sneak into the buildings ourselves in the days before the attacks, plant the bombs and then make it look like it was exploding planes that brought the buildings down. That way, we involve more people in the plot, stand a much greater chance of being exposed and needlessly complicate everything!
CHENEY: Of course, just toppling the Twin Towers will never be enough. No one would give us the war mandate we need if we just blow up the Towers. Clearly, we also need to shoot a missile at a small corner of the Pentagon to create a mightily underpublicized additional symbol of international terrorism -- and then, obviously, we need to fake a plane crash in the middle of fucking nowhere in rural Pennsylvania.
RUMSFELD: Yeah, it goes without saying that the level of public outrage will not be sufficient without that crash in the middle of fucking nowhere.
CHENEY: And the Pentagon crash -- we'll have to do it in broad daylight and say it was a plane, even though it'll really be a cruise missile.
BUSH: Wait, why do we have to use a missile?
CHENEY: Because it's much easier to shoot a missile and say it was a plane. It's not easy to steer a real passenger plane into the Pentagon. Planes are hard to come by.
BUSH: But aren't we using two planes for the Twin Towers?
CHENEY: Mr. President, you're missing the point. With the Pentagon, we use a missile, and say it was a plane.
BUSH: Right, but I'm saying, why don't we just use a plane and say it was a plane? We'll be doing that with the Twin Towers, right?
CHENEY: Right, but in this case, we use a missile. (Throws hands up in frustration) Don, can you help me out here?
RUMSFELD: Mr. President, in Washington, we use a missile because it's sneakier that way. Using an actual plane would be too obvious, even though we'll be doing just that in New York.
BUSH: Oh, OK.
RUMSFELD: The other good thing about saying that it was a passenger jet is that that way, we have to invent a few hundred fictional victims and account for a nonexistent missing crew and plane. It's always better when you leave more cover story to invent, more legwork to do and more possible holes to investigate. Doubt, legwork and possible exposure -- you can't pull off any good conspiracy without them.
BUSH: You guys are brilliant! Because if there's one thing about Americans -- they won't let a president go to war without a damn good reason. How could we ever get the media, the corporate world and our military to endorse an invasion of a secular Iraqi state unless we faked an attack against New York at the hands of a bunch of Saudi religious radicals? Why, they'd never buy it. Look at how hard it was to get us into Vietnam, Iraq the last time, Kosovo?
CHENEY: Like pulling teeth!
RUMSFELD: Well, I'm sold on the idea. Let's call the Joint Chiefs, the FAA, the New York and Washington, D.C., fire departments, Rudy Giuliani, all three networks, the families of a thousand fictional airline victims, MI5, the FBI, FEMA, the NYPD, Larry Eagleburger, Osama bin Laden, Noam Chomsky and the fifty thousand other people we'll need to pull this off. There isn't a moment to lose!
BUSH: Don't forget to call all of those Wall Street hotshots who donated $100 million to our last campaign. They'll be thrilled to know that we'll be targeting them for execution as part of our thousand-tentacled modern-day bonehead Reichstag scheme! After all, if we're going to make martyrs -- why not make them out of our campaign paymasters? Shit, didn't the Merrill Lynch guys say they needed a refurbishing in their New York offices?
RUMSFELD: Oh, they'll get a refurbishing, all right. Just in time for the "Big Wedding"!
ALL THREE: (cackling) Mwah-hah-hah! |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 8:48 PM Author: salmon nibblets 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21538904) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 8:50 PM Author: Buff house mother quality taibbi. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21538930) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 8:51 PM Author: Aromatic ultramarine pervert I'm the poster above. I don't disagree with any of this. The conspiracy narrative makes no sense based on what we know.
But... Building 7. Explosions. Nanothermite in WTC dust. WTC7 being reported by BBC as fallen before it actually fell. Pentagon. Doomsday planes in DC and NYC. Insider trading. NORAD/Cheney stand-down. Bin Laden family evacuation from US. Investigation occurring 444 days after the event on $12 million dollar budget (1/5 of the Clinton-Lewinsky investigation) described by a number of its own members as a scam.
I still want a real investigation. |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 8:53 PM Author: Exhilarant smoky garrison PLEASE post this on some troofer chatblog! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21538961) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 8:54 PM Author: appetizing deranged hall I have. They get mad as fuark. Some dood on a conspiracy theory forum was talking about how the CIA secretly funds these al qaeda groups to overthrow governments around the middle east. I asked him why the CIA would want to overthrow Mubarak and I got I spammed with incoherent invectives, some in all caps. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21538972) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 8:55 PM Author: Aromatic ultramarine pervert No they don't/shouldn't. See above. Nobody's claiming that the narrative makes any fucking sense.
EDIT: ok, some people are dumbasses. But there are also intelligent people who have legitimate reasons for wanting a new investigation. |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 8:58 PM Author: appetizing deranged hall Many people think it's the only plausible narrative.
They'll also tell you that the hijackers all trained at US military bases and bin laden got treated at some "American hospital" in Dubai shortly before the attacks, then died a few years later. The SEAL raid in Pakistan was staged, and then we had all the SEALs killed in a helicopter crash a few months later so they couldn't tell anyone the truth (see http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44043847/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia/t/us-troops-mostly-elite-navy-seals-killed-afghanistan/) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:02 PM Author: Aromatic ultramarine pervert I don't know anything about any of that stuff, but the bottom line is that I don't think the onus is on truthers to come up with a narrative that makes sense. Our country spent $12 million dollars to sloppily investigate the worst attack on its soil in 60 years, despite the fact that all kinds of things were odd/suspicious about it. That's unacceptable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21539060) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:31 PM Author: Low-t arousing plaza wrinkle government investigation done incompetently??? conspiracy is the most reasonable explanation!!!
admit that your belief in this theory is the outgrowth of your mental health disorder. |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:36 PM Author: appetizing deranged hall "I don't think the onus is on truthers to come up with a narrative that makes sense."
I see. So until the government provides an adequate explanation of how a hijacker's passport ended up in the rubble we should assume it was an inside job. |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:59 PM Author: Aromatic ultramarine pervert Just do use straw man arguments like other intelligent people, bro.
No. My point is this. A lot of people criticize Truthers by pointing out that the conspiracy narrative makes no sense. And they're right. But how could anyone come up with a plausible narrative given that so much of what could happened did so behind closed doors? All that we know now is that parts of the official story make no sense, and that fact alone warrants a new investigation.
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Date: September 9th, 2012 10:02 PM Author: appetizing deranged hall "But how could anyone come up with a plausible narrative given that so much of what could happened did so behind closed doors?"
Lack of information/factual evidence isn't what sinks the conspiracy theories. What sinks them is the fact that they make no fucking sense. It makes no sense to recruit Saudis if you're trying to connect everything to Iraq. It makes no sense to use planes, and claim that the planes brought down the building if you're planning to bring down the buildings with explosives. |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 10:11 PM Author: Aromatic ultramarine pervert "What sinks is the fact that they make no fucking sense."
I do not think there is anything else I can say. I don't disagree with you that the conspiracy theories makes no sense. I still think there should be a new investigation. That's all. |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 1:36 PM Author: beta point jap 180, greatly underappreciated post (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#22371601) |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 2:03 PM Author: Heady umber potus "They'll be thrilled to know that we'll be targeting them for execution as part of our thousand-tentacled modern-day bonehead Reichstag scheme! After all, if we're going to make martyrs -- why not make them out of our campaign paymasters? Shit, didn't the Merrill Lynch guys say they needed a refurbishing in their New York offices?"
180 |
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Date: May 6th, 2013 8:30 PM Author: Flickering fuchsia gaming laptop tanning salon Truly a 180 poast (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#23146997) |
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Date: June 19th, 2013 4:47 PM Author: mauve messiness 180 WOULD READ AGAIN. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#23431321) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 8:46 PM Author: henna voyeur How do you think an OBL trial would have played out? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21538884) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 8:48 PM Author: Fighting church building weed whacker Similar to Lee Harvey Oswald's (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21538906) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 8:51 PM Author: Territorial National Digit Ratio hey dumbass, LHO was killed before being able to be tried in court. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21538944) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 10:06 PM Author: Fighting church building weed whacker Exactly, my friend. Exactly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21539801) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 8:47 PM Author: henna voyeur Kabul: Prominent Arab mojahed holy warrior Usamah Bin-Ladin has said that he or his al-Qa’idah group has nothing to do with the 11 September suicidal attacks in Washington and New York. He said the US government should find the attackers within the country. In an exclusive interview with daily “Ummat”, he said these attacks could be the act of those who are part of the American system and are rebelling against it and working for some other system. Or, Usamah said, this could be the act of those who want to make the current century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. Or, the American Jews, who are opposed to President Bush ever since the Florida elections, might be the masterminds of this act. There is also a great possibility of the involvement of US intelligence agencies, which need billions of dollars worth of funds every year. He said there is a government within the government in the United States.
The secret agencies, he said, should be asked as to who are behind the attacks. Usamah said support for attack on Afghanistan was a matter of need for some Muslim countries and compulsion for others. However, he said, he was thankful to the courageous people of Pakistan who erected a bulwark before the wrong forces. He added that the Islamic world was attaching great expectations with Pakistan and, in time of need, “we will protect this bulwark by sacrificing of lives”.
Following is the interview in full detail:
Ummat: You have been accused of involvement in the attacks in New York and Washington. What do you want to say about this? If you are not involved, who might be?
Usamah [Osama bin Laden]: In the name of Allah, the most beneficent, the most merciful. Praise be to Allah, Who is the creator of the whole universe and Who made the earth as an abode for peace, for the whole mankind. Allah is the Sustainer, who sent Prophet Muhammad for our guidance. I am thankful to the Ummat Group of Publications, which gave me the opportunity to convey my viewpoint to the people, particularly the valiant and Momin true Muslim people of Pakistan who refused to believe in lie of the demon.
I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children, and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children, and other people.
Such a practice is forbidden ever in the course of a battle. It is the United States, which is perpetrating every maltreatment on women, children, and common people of other faiths, particularly the followers of Islam. All that is going on in Palestine for the last 11 months is sufficient to call the wrath of God upon the United States and Israel.
There is also a warning for those Muslim countries, which witnessed all these as a silent spectator. What had earlier been done to the innocent people of Iraq, Chechnya, and Bosnia?
Only one conclusion could be derived from the indifference of the United States and the West to these acts of terror and the patronage of the tyrants by these powers that America is an anti-Islamic power and it is patronizing the anti-Islamic forces. Its friendship with the Muslim countries is just a show, rather deceit. By enticing or intimidating these countries, the United States is forcing them to play a role of its choice. Put a glance all around and you will see that the slaves of the United States are either rulers or enemies of Muslims .
The US has no friends, nor does it want to keep any because the prerequisite of friendship is to come to the level of the friend or consider him at par with you. America does not want to see anyone equal to it. It expects slavery from others. Therefore, other countries are either its slaves or subordinates.
However, our case is different. We have pledged slavery to God Almighty alone and after this pledge there is no possibility to become the slave of someone else. If we do that, it will be disregardful to both our Sustainer and his fellow beings. Most of the world nations upholding their freedom are the religious ones, which are the enemies of United States, or the latter itself considers them as its enemies. Or the countries, which do not agree to become its slaves, such as China, Iran, Libya, Cuba, Syria, and the former Russia as received .
Whoever committed the act of 11 September are not the friends of the American people. I have already said that we are against the American system, not against its people, whereas in these attacks, the common American people have been killed.
According to my information, the death toll is much higher than what the US government has stated. But the Bush administration does not want the panic to spread. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; the people who are a part of the US system, but are dissenting against it. Or those who are working for some other system; persons who want to make the present century as a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity so that their own civilization, nation, country, or ideology could survive. They can be any one, from Russia to Israel and from India to Serbia. In the US itself, there are dozens of well-organized and well-equipped groups, which are capable of causing a large-scale destruction. Then you cannot forget the American Jews, who are annoyed with President Bush ever since the elections in Florida and want to avenge him.
Then there are intelligence agencies in the US, which require billions of dollars worth of funds from the Congress and the government every year. This funding issue was not a big problem till the existence of the former Soviet Union but after that the budget of these agencies has been in danger.
They needed an enemy. So, they first started propaganda against Usamah and Taleban and then this incident happened. You see, the Bush administration approved a budget of 40bn dollars. Where will this huge amount go? It will be provided to the same agencies, which need huge funds and want to exert their importance.
Now they will spend the money for their expansion and for increasing their importance. I will give you an example. Drug smugglers from all over the world are in contact with the US secret agencies. These agencies do not want to eradicate narcotics cultivation and trafficking because their importance will be diminished. The people in the US Drug Enforcement Department are encouraging drug trade so that they could show performance and get millions of dollars worth of budget. General Noriega was made a drug baron by the CIA and, in need, he was made a scapegoat. In the same way, whether it is President Bush or any other US president, they cannot bring Israel to justice for its human rights abuses or to hold it accountable for such crimes. What is this? Is it not that there exists a government within the government in the United Sates? That secret government must be asked as to who made the attacks.
Ummat: A number of world countries have joined the call of the United States for launching an attack on Afghanistan. These also include a number of Muslim countries. Will Al-Qa’idah declare a jihad against these countries as well?
Usamah: I must say that my duty is just to awaken the Muslims; to tell them as to what is good for them and what is not. What does Islam says and what the enemies of Islam want?
Al-Qa’idah was set up to wage a jihad against infidelity, particularly to encounter the onslaught of the infidel countries against the Islamic states. Jihad is the sixth undeclared element of Islam. The first five being the basic holy words of Islam, prayers, fast, pilgrimage to Mecca, and giving alms Every anti-Islamic person is afraid of it. Al-Qa’idah wants to keep this element alive and active and make it part of the daily life of the Muslims. It wants to give it the status of worship. We are not against any Islamic country nor we consider a war against an Islamic country as jihad.
We are in favour of armed jihad only against those infidel countries, which are killing innocent Muslim men, women, and children just because they are Muslims. Supporting the US act is the need of some Muslim countries and the compulsion of others. However, they should think as to what will remain of their religious and moral position if they support the attack of the Christians and the Jews on a Muslim country like Afghanistan. The orders of Islamic shari’ah jurisprudence for such individuals, organizations, and countries are clear and all the scholars of the Muslim brotherhood are unanimous on them. We will do the same, which is being ordered by the Amir ol-Momenin the commander of the faithful Mola Omar and the Islamic scholars. The hearts of the people of Muslim countries are beating with the call of jihad. We are grateful to them.
Ummat: The losses caused in the attacks in New York and Washington have proved that giving an economic blow to the US is not too difficult. US experts admit that a few more such attacks can bring down the American economy. Why is al-Qa’idah not targeting their economic pillars?
Usamah: I have already said that we are not hostile to the United States. We are against the system, which makes other nations slaves of the United States, or forces them to mortgage their political and economic freedom. This system is totally in control of the American Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States. It is simply that the American people are themselves the slaves of the Jews and are forced to live according to the principles and laws laid by them. So, the punishment should reach Israel. In fact, it is Israel, which is giving a blood bath to innocent Muslims and the US is not uttering a single word.
Ummat: Why is harm not caused to the enemies of Islam through other means, apart from the armed struggle? For instance, inciting the Muslims to boycott Western products, banks, shipping lines, and TV channels.
Usamah: The first thing is that Western products could only be boycotted when the Muslim fraternity is fully awakened and organized. Secondly, the Muslim companies should become self-sufficient in producing goods equal to the products of Western companies. Economic boycott of the West is not possible unless economic self-sufficiency is attained and substitute products are brought out. You see that wealth is scattered all across the Muslim world but not a single TV channel has been acquired which can preach Islamic injunctions according to modern requirements and attain an international influence. Muslim traders and philanthropists should make it a point that if the weapon of public opinion is to be used, it is to be kept in the hand. Today’s world is of public opinion and the fates of nations are determined through its pressure. Once the tools for building public opinion are obtained, everything that you asked for can be done.
Ummat: The entire propaganda about your struggle has so far been made by the Western media. But no information is being received from your sources about the network of Al-Qa’idah and its jihadi successes. Would you comment?
Usamah: In fact, the Western media is left with nothing else. It has no other theme to survive for a long time. Then we have many other things to do. The struggle for jihad and the successes are for the sake of Allah and not to annoy His bondsmen. Our silence is our real propaganda. Rejections, explanations, or corrigendum only waste your time and through them, the enemy wants you to engage in things which are not of use to you. These things are pulling you away from your cause.
The Western media is unleashing such a baseless propaganda, which make us surprise but it reflects on what is in their hearts and gradually they themselves become captive of this propaganda. They become afraid of it and begin to cause harm to themselves. Terror is the most dreaded weapon in modern age and the Western media is mercilessly using it against its own people. It can add fear and helplessness in the psyche of the people of Europe and the United States. It means that what the enemies of the United States cannot do, its media is doing that. You can understand as to what will be the performance of the nation in a war, which suffers from fear and helplessness.
Ummat: What will the impact of the freeze of al-Qa’idah accounts by the US?
Usamah: God opens up ways for those who work for Him. Freezing of accounts will not make any difference for Al-Qa’idah or other jihad groups. With the grace of Allah, al-Qa’idah has more than three such alternative financial systems, which are all separate and totally independent from each other. This system is operating under the patronage of those who love jihad. What to say of the United States, even the combined world cannot budge these people from their path.
These people are not in hundreds but in thousands and millions. Al-Qa’idah comprises of such modern educated youths who are aware of the cracks inside the Western financial system as they are aware of the lines in their hands. These are the very flaws of the Western fiscal system, which are becoming a noose for it and this system could not recuperate in spite of the passage of so many days.
Ummat: Are there other safe areas other than Afghanistan, where you can continue jihad?
Usamah: There are areas in all parts of the world where strong jihadi forces are present, from Indonesia to Algeria, from Kabul to Chechnya, from Bosnia to Sudan, and from Burma to Kashmir. Then it is not the problem of my person. I am helpless fellowman of God, constantly in the fear of my accountability before God. It is not the question of Usamah but of Islam and, in Islam too, of jihad. Thanks to God, those waging a jihad can walk today with their heads raised. Jihad was still present when there was no Usamah and it will remain as such even when Usamah is no longer there. Allah opens up ways and creates loves in the hearts of people for those who walk on the path of Allah with their lives, property, and children. Believe it, through jihad, a man gets everything he desires. And the biggest desire of a Muslim is the after life. Martyrdom is the shortest way of attaining an eternal life.
Ummat: What do you say about the Pakistan government policy on Afghanistan attack?
Usamah: We are thankful to the Momin and valiant people of Pakistan who erected a blockade in front of the wrong forces and stood in the first file of battle. Pakistan is a great hope for the Islamic brotherhood. Its people are awakened, organized, and rich in the spirit of faith. They backed Afghanistan in its war against the Soviet Union and extended every help to the mojahedin and the Afghan people. Then these are very Pakistanis who are standing shoulder by shoulder with the Taleban. If such people emerge in just two countries, the domination of the West will diminish in a matter of days. Our hearts beat with Pakistan and, God forbid, if a difficult time comes we will protect it with our blood. Pakistan is sacred for us like a place of worship. We are the people of jihad and fighting for the defence of Pakistan is the best of all jihads to us. It does not matter for us as to who rules Pakistan. The important thing is that the spirit of jihad is alive and stronger in the hearts of the Pakistani people.
Copyright Ummat in Urdu, BBC translation in English, 2001 |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 8:52 PM Author: Bonkers Nursing Home WTF, is this even real? Also does this not contradict the videotapes that bin Ladin made after 911 in which he admits carrying out the attacks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21538955) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 8:55 PM Author: henna voyeur Do you believe the tapes? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21538984) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 8:55 PM Author: Bonkers Nursing Home I have no reason to suggest fabrication. Do u? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21538995) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:05 PM Author: henna voyeur http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhctMpvszqQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX6lD4_uuB8&feature=related |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:12 PM Author: Bonkers Nursing Home hmmm..interesting...
Do you think bin Ladin was killed last year or he long been gone? |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:14 PM Author: henna voyeur I don't know. How long do you think bin Ladin has been off the CIA payroll? 30 years? 1 year? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21539168) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:30 PM Author: Bonkers Nursing Home Since 1996. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21539375) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:31 PM Author: henna voyeur Why? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21539383) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:34 PM Author: Bonkers Nursing Home They prolly used his services in the Afghan civil war, and when the Taliban finally took over, shit got out of hand with the embassy bombings so CIA decided to cut off relations with him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21539421) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:35 PM Author: henna voyeur Cite? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21539432) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:39 PM Author: appetizing deranged hall The CIA was not directly involved in training/recruitment of the Afghan mujahideen. That would have been totally impractical, if not logistically impossible (for obvious reasons). They outsourced that task to the Pakistani ISI, which has its own agenda that only occasionally dovetails with the USA's. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21539489) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:43 PM Author: henna voyeur Not entirely true. "First, the special units have been going in and out of Afghanistan since 1997, and have gained immense operational experience and important contacts, particularly with the Northern Alliance.
Second, the CIA gained experience during the 1980s covert war in Afghanistan, when the agency provided massive support and funding to the mujaheddin rebels, who eventually drove the Soviet army out. The Near East Division has 10 to 20 case officers with Afghan experience, knowledge of the terrain and languages, and contacts with anti-Taliban groups and tribes. Some of these case officers have been inserted into Afghanistan with the help of the CIA's paramilitary units as liaison and support for the Northern Alliance." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/CIA18.html |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:46 PM Author: appetizing deranged hall "First, the special units have been going in and out of Afghanistan since 1997"
Bro the mujahideen were recruited and trained in the 1970s and 80s. But thanks for reinforcing my point. |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:48 PM Author: henna voyeur This was written in 2001 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21539600) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:50 PM Author: appetizing deranged hall That's terrific. The point still stands that the CIA did not directly train and recruit mujahideen, which was a fighting force that was organized 20 years before your article claims the CIA first set foot in Afghanistan. The mujahideen was organized to fight the soviets, and your article claims CIA official only started going into Afghanistan 8 years after the USSR collapsed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21539623) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:54 PM Author: Bonkers Nursing Home yes they fuckin did
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INF65IBg_bE&feature=related |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 10:00 PM Author: appetizing deranged hall All that video says the CIA conducted stinger missle training in 1986 in Pakistan. The mujahideen had been operating for a decade at that point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21539725) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:56 PM Author: henna voyeur As written, the author is saying the CIA has been in and out of Afghanistan from 1997 to the present day. Also the CIA has significant Afghanistan experience from aiding and supporting the rebels in the 1980s. The distinction in the first sentence is meant to imply the CIA was not in Afghanistan after the Soviet withdrawal until 1997. Please learn to read. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21539683) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 10:05 PM Author: appetizing deranged hall "he author is saying the CIA has been in and out of Afghanistan from 1997 to the present day."
Which implies that they were NOT going in and out of Afghanistan prior to 1997, when the mujhahideen were recruited and trained.
I mean do you really think the CIA sent a bunch of white doods speaking broken pashtun into afghan villages in 1978 and had them interview potential recruits? Of course not. They hired Pakistanis to do that. They gave them money and guns and let the ISI handle the rest. |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 10:11 PM Author: henna voyeur "Hampton-el was described by prosecutors as a skilled bomb-maker. It was hardly surprising. In Afghanistan he fought with the Hezb-i-Islami group of mujahideen, whose training and weaponry were mainly supplied by the CIA.
He was not alone. American officials estimate that, from 1985 to 1992, 12,500 foreigners were trained in bomb-making, sabotage and urban guerrilla warfare in Afghan camps the CIA helped to set up. ... From his base in the Pakistani city of Peshawar, [OBL] used his experience of the construction trade, and his money, to build a series of bases where the mujahideen could be trained by their Pakistani, American and, if some recent press reports are to be believed, British advisers." http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/1999/jan/17/yemen.islam |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 10:15 PM Author: appetizing deranged hall "in Afghan camps the CIA helped to set up."
And you take that to mean what, that CIA agents were operating in the field in Afghanistan in 1985? That a bunch of white Americans infidels were somehow rallying fanatical muslims to attack the soviets? |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 10:16 PM Author: henna voyeur "From his base in the Pakistani city of Peshawar, [OBL] used his experience of the construction trade, and his money, to build a series of bases where the mujahideen could be trained by their Pakistani, American and, if some recent press reports are to be believed, British advisers." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21539953) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 10:18 PM Author: appetizing deranged hall non-responsive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21539982) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 10:20 PM Author: henna voyeur "...where the mujahideen could be trained by their Pakistani, American and, if some recent press reports are to be believed, British advisers. What does this sentence mean to you? |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 10:22 PM Author: appetizing deranged hall It's impossibly vague speculative. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21540013) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 10:25 PM Author: henna voyeur I read it as the mujahideen were trained by Pakistanis, Americans, and possibly the British. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21540043) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 10:26 PM Author: appetizing deranged hall It could easily refer to facilities in Pakistan where the Americans trained ISI officials, who then went into the field and worked directly with the mujahideen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21540060) |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 1:41 PM Author: diverse theater Dear No Country for Old Country Buffet,
English -- do you speak it? |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 10:15 PM Author: henna voyeur "As a result the CIA helped to train and fund what eventually became an international network of highly disciplined and effective Islamic militants -- and a new breed of terrorist as well." http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/96may/blowback.htm |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 10:18 PM Author: appetizing deranged hall I'm not denying that they "helped." I'm simply pointing out that they did not directly recruit mujahideen and were not directly involved in ground operations in Afghanistan. They relied on Pakistanis to do that, because Pakistanis speak the same language, have the same religion, and share cultural connections that allow them to operate fluently in that environment. There is no reason to put some GS-14 CIA conturd in that environment. It would have been awkward and pointless, and most likely counterproductive to have white american christians trying to round up and recruit reliable Afghan guerilla fighters. No amount of language training and cultural immersion is going to give a westerner that capability. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21539973) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:56 PM Author: Bonkers Nursing Home http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone
Operation Cyclone was the code name for the United States Central Intelligence Agency program to arm and finance the Afghan mujahideen during the Soviet war in Afghanistan, 1979 to 1989. The program leaned heavily towards supporting militant Islamic groups that were favored by neighboring Pakistan, rather than other, less ideological Afghan resistance groups that had also been fighting the Marxist-oriented Democratic Republic of Afghanistan regime since before the Soviet intervention. Operation Cyclone was one of the longest and most expensive covert CIA operations ever undertaken;[1] funding began with $20–30 million per year in 1980 and rose to $630 million per year in 1987.[2] Funding continued after 1989 as the Mujahideen battled the forces of Mohammad Najibullah's PDPA during the Civil war in Afghanistan (1989–1992). [3]
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Date: September 9th, 2012 10:03 PM Author: appetizing deranged hall "to arm and finance the Afghan mujahideen "
Yes, arm and finance. Not recruit and train. |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:53 PM Author: Bonkers Nursing Home you are wrong, on many fronts. CIA was actively involved in financing and training mujahideen. Watch this documentary.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INF65IBg_bE&feature=related |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 10:07 PM Author: appetizing deranged hall Your dumbass video only says they trained some "specially selected" mujahideen doods to use stinger missiles in pakistan in 1986. It doesn't say who those people were (they were most likely ISI or their affiliates) or how they were chosen (most likely by Pakistan).
Since the Soviets had been fighting Afghans for nearly a decade at point, those guys were mostly likely mujahideen who had been recruited earlier and who had sufficient ties to pakistani authorities to make them trustworthy. Why the hell do you think they did all their training Pakistan after all? |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 10:23 PM Author: Bonkers Nursing Home How were they be able to use their stringer missiles? They needed training from the CIA and the Americans. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21540031) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 10:24 PM Author: appetizing deranged hall Who is "they?" Your video doesn't say. It's entirely possible that "they" were ISI agents who went into Afghanistan and worked directly with Afghans. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21540039) |
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Date: September 11th, 2012 12:39 PM Author: Bonkers Nursing Home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21552688) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 8:53 PM Author: Shivering Swashbuckling Candlestick Maker Consider how incompetent the federal government is in day-to-day operations of things.
And you expect me to believe that it could successfully engineer such a conspiracy? |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 8:54 PM Author: Bonkers Nursing Home I mean, it is very powerful when it comes to its intelligence gathering capability. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21538982) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 8:56 PM Author: Sick Cruise Ship are you seriously comparing your local DMV to the highest levels of the CIA? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21538998) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 8:56 PM Author: Shivering Swashbuckling Candlestick Maker The highest levels of the CIA brought us the Bay of Pigs.
And unless the federal government happens to run the DMV in your area, no, I'm not. |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 8:58 PM Author: Bonkers Nursing Home You mention the bay of pigs. What about the other impressive feats of the CIA (for example, kicking the Soviets out of Afghanistan without any significant casualties)? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21539018) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:34 PM Author: provocative coiffed range pistol Considering how badly NATO is faring in Afghanistan is now, it's not entirely difficult to say that guerrilla wars in that country are hard to fight, and the Soviets were there 25 years ago.
the CIA couldn't even kill Castro, never mind an entire invasion. |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 8:57 PM Author: Bonkers Nursing Home lmaof Exactly..this guy doesn't get how premier the CIA is when it comes to intelligence gathering, infiltration and even military operations (with exceptions, like the botched Bay of Pigs thing in cuba) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21539007) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:28 PM Author: Soul-stirring Bronze Kitty Cat Didn't they let a mole drive a car into a CIA base without inspection and get like 9 people blow'd up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21539350) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:13 PM Author: Low-t arousing plaza wrinkle this is the most lulzy thing ever. imagine are a high up government dude. the cheney/rumsfeld/whoever comes to you and says "I need you to blow up the towers so we can frame it on terrorists in the middle east." How exactly do you respond to this statement? You just go along with it and don't tell anyone? You say, sure boss, let me set the charges?
If would be worth risking your life to get this information out. |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:14 PM Author: henna voyeur What if you said no? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21539178) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:19 PM Author: Low-t arousing plaza wrinkle that's my point. any sane person (which you very likely are, hence getting high enough up in the feds to gain access to even higher ranking people) would say no AND report this psycho that asked you to help them commit atrocious crimes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21539217) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:28 PM Author: henna voyeur What if you believed it was for the good of the country? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21539337) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:33 PM Author: Low-t arousing plaza wrinkle that would make you insane. we are ruling out insane people from the equation (although evidently not from this thread, hence your presence). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21539416) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:35 PM Author: henna voyeur What makes false flag attacks insane? Be specific. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21539441) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:41 PM Author: Low-t arousing plaza wrinkle mass murder of your own countrymen in downtown MFH is not something a sane dude in the government would roll with, let alone the dozens required to pull this off. you've been owned already itt by the guy with teh fictional dialogue between bush cheney rums (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21539507) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:46 PM Author: henna voyeur But starting a war on false pretenses that results in hundreds of thousands of dead including several thousand of your own countrymen is totally sane? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21539575) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:48 PM Author: Bonkers Nursing Home very cogent, brother.
Explain why you feel Bush went into Iraq. Revenge for assassination attempt against his father in Kuwait back in the early 90's? |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:59 PM Author: henna voyeur Oil and Israel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21539710) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:59 PM Author: Sick Cruise Ship I seriously doubt that presidents, dolts selected by the double-digit IQ'd masses, make these sorts of decisions. they're simply figureheads. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21539715) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 10:01 PM Author: Bonkers Nursing Home who is making the decisions? Folks in the Pentagon? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21539745) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 10:04 PM Author: Sick Cruise Ship No idea. I don't know how our government functions at the highest levels beyond the stupid partisan shit they show us on tv. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21539781) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:57 PM Author: Low-t arousing plaza wrinkle strangely, yes. the saneness of going to war is predicated on insaneness of attacking your own people.
that's the way humans work. |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 10:03 PM Author: henna voyeur Do you think the Kennedy Joint Chiefs were insane for signing off on Operation Northwoods? Lincoln insane for the civil war? Nixon insane for Kent St? Executives of Colorado Fuel & Iron Company (CF&I), the Rocky Mountain Fuel Company (RMF), and the Victor-American Fuel Company (VAF) for ordering the Ludlow Massacre? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21539767) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 10:17 PM Author: Aromatic ultramarine pervert cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21539969) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 10:36 PM Author: appetizing deranged hall What the fuck did Nixon have to do with Kent State? You think the Ohio National Guard phoned the white house for permission before they started shooting? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21540152) |
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Date: September 10th, 2012 3:34 PM Author: Buff house mother I got to admit, you're right man, it was a sad day for America when Lincoln attacked Fort Sumter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21544725) |
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Date: September 11th, 2012 12:41 PM Author: henna voyeur The point was the "Yeah right like the sociopaths running this asylum would sacrifice Americans?!? Their own countrymen! You're crazy!" is an absurd line of reasoning. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21552701) |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 3:13 PM Author: Slate french private investor Wait, did you seriously just use the civil war as evidence of the plausibility of a govt sponsored attack against civilians in the World Trade Center? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#22372093) |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 3:23 PM Author: henna voyeur The point was the "Yeah right like the sociopaths running this asylum would sacrifice Americans?!? Their own countrymen! You're crazy!" is an absurd line of reasoning. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#22372122) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 10:07 PM Author: Sick Cruise Ship our government loves and cares deeply for all its citizens and would NEVER do anything for gain at the cost of a citizen's life, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21539815) |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 1:54 PM Author: diverse theater This is your first really good point of this thread.
It is regrettable that a more thorough investigation has not occurred, that abundant evidence has been destroyed, etc., but there isn't a simple narrative that makes sense as to HOW such a conspiracy could be pulled off. I simply don't believe a large-scale U.S. conspiracy to be possible.
Perhaps a small number of persons had foreknowledge and higher-ups in the U.S. gov destroyed evidence to suit their agenda after the fact. |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 2:28 PM Author: Hairraiser Den "Perhaps a small number of persons had foreknowledge and higher-ups in the U.S. gov destroyed evidence to suit their agenda after the fact."
(literal idiot) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:20 PM Author: Soul-stirring Bronze Kitty Cat Lol at giving bush that much credit. See: Iraq, Katrina. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21539226) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 9:41 PM Author: twisted dysfunction psychic fire can't melt steel! --Oprah |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 10:01 PM Author: Aromatic ultramarine pervert Link?
Rosie said this. |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 10:37 PM Author: Lemon Sadistic Fanboi Yes, because Bush's perplexed "wtf is going on" reaction in the classroom that morning was actually him thinking "I thought that was supposed to happen tomorrow." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21540156) |
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Date: September 9th, 2012 11:07 PM Author: Saffron Hyperventilating Space The eeriest thing to me is the actors: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCBOJ2Jruk4 |
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Date: September 10th, 2012 3:40 PM Author: appetizing deranged hall Clarification for all the retards in this thread:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter-Services_Intelligence
"The CIA relied on the ISI to train fighters, distribute arms, and channel money. The ISI trained about 83,000 Afghan mujahideen between 1983 and 1997, and dispatched them to Afghanistan." |
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Date: September 10th, 2012 4:17 PM Author: Bonkers Nursing Home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21545007) |
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Date: September 11th, 2012 1:55 PM Author: metal cuckold fortuitous meteor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#21553168) |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 11:19 AM Author: metal cuckold fortuitous meteor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#22371129) |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 5:00 AM Author: turquoise electric whorehouse ITT: SSM proves he's a full retard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#22370695) |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 1:29 PM Author: histrionic bat-shit-crazy prole ratface i honest to god would not doubt it. people who doubt it is possible are historically ignorant/naive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#22371575) |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 1:32 PM Author: Hairraiser Den (low iq shtick) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#22371589) |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 1:34 PM Author: histrionic bat-shit-crazy prole ratface what do you think the CIA does all day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#22371597) |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 1:57 PM Author: Hairraiser Den http://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#22371589 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#22371682) |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 2:00 PM Author: histrionic bat-shit-crazy prole ratface you should consider finding out more about the history of the CIA. you may find it eye opening. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#22371694) |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 2:03 PM Author: Hairraiser Den (retard ignoring a mountain of evidence to the contrary in order to believe in something that makes him feel superior to the sheeple who blindly accept what the government tells them, while likely criticizing Christians for believing in something without factual proof) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#22371705) |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 2:05 PM Author: metal cuckold fortuitous meteor why were like 10 of the hijackers found still alive and just regular dudes living regular lives? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#22371708) |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 2:07 PM Author: Hairraiser Den (things that didn't happen) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#22371717) |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 2:09 PM Author: metal cuckold fortuitous meteor (Guy who hasn't paid attention since October 2001) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#22371728) |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 2:12 PM Author: Hairraiser Den (guy who can't provide a reputable link to his claim because it never happened) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#22371737) |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 2:12 PM Author: metal cuckold fortuitous meteor (guy who is oblivious to commonly known facts) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#22371742) |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 2:12 PM Author: henna voyeur http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/1559151.stm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#22371744) |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 2:06 PM Author: diverse theater 1. There are so many strange facts (and the initial investigation was so sloppily conducted, given the event's importance) that a more thorough investigation needs to be conducted.
2. I don't believe a large number of U.S. citizens had foreknowledge of events, but perhaps a reasonably large number of U.S. citizens destroyed evidence or otherwise obfuscated the investigation to suit their agenda ex-post. |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 2:26 PM Author: Aromatic ultramarine pervert Your first point is credited (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#22371804) |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 2:33 PM Author: Aggressive deer antler trailer park honestly the "terrorist"explanation isnt inconsistent with it being planned and supported by some element inside the intelligence community the idea that somebody at the cia still had bin laden as somebody he could call on doesnt strike me as crazy. obviously the cia has planned false flag shit beofre (e.g. northwoods). it would surprise me a little for the bush admin to approve this but (1) they sure as hell took full advantage of 9/11, and (2) I dont know what level of approval a covert operation of this magnitue and historical significance would require so i cant judge whether my doubts are well founded |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 2:39 PM Author: Hairraiser Den The reason it doesn't really make sense is that if the CIA was involved and wanted to do a false flag operation, there were way, way better ways to do it, and those that wouldn't require the involvement of so many people.
For example, they could've just bombed the world trade center in the traditional sense, or any number of things. |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 2:42 PM Author: Aggressive deer antler trailer park it's not obvious to me that 9/11 involved tons of people or was more complex than actually using a big bomb to bring both towers down. seem like issues that you cant talk out of your ass about with much confidence (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#22371928) |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 2:49 PM Author: Hairraiser Den It's not obvious to you that coordinating 4 planes, using hijackers, to fly into buildings is more complex or contingent upon more things than just planting a bomb?
Ok bro |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 2:57 PM Author: Aggressive deer antler trailer park no its not. all the coordination required was to pick a morning to do the shit. apparently all "doing the shit" involved was taking over planes with boxcutters and flying them into targets. do you know how big a bomb would be required to bring a world trade tower down? I dont, and I'd be surprised if you did. do you know how feasible it would be to fit such a bomb in a vehicle that gets parked under a tower? I dont know that either. again, these are subjects that are togh to talk out of your ass about |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 3:05 PM Author: Hairraiser Den My original point was that bringing down the towers wouldn't have been required for such an attack if the only purpose was as a pretext for war. One tower would've been enough. Or neither. There were many more options available that likely would've sufficed. And like somebody mentioned above, why would they blame al-qaeda if they really wanted to go into Iraq.
I don't need to know how big a bomb is required, or how feasible it would be to get a bomb in a vehicle. You could plant a bomb on a plane, plant a bomb in a gov't building, do any number of things that would've involved fewer people, achieving their goal, with fewer risks.
And you're ignoring my point about many more contingencies involved.
Sorry you want to believe in nonsense brother. Nobody sane actually believes 9/11 was a conspiracy, even if it were possible. Sorry bro. |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 2:33 PM Author: sticky comical resort one thing I truly believe is if Bush and his ilk had the power to undo 9/11, they wouldn't want to. it got them everything they could have ever hoped to gain while in power in a very short time. and if you believe that, then whether they were behind it or went out of their way to not prevent it doesn't really matter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#22371856) |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 2:40 PM Author: Hairraiser Den (tinfoil hat enthusiast) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#22371905) |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 2:44 PM Author: Aggressive deer antler trailer park i dont know if it got them "everything they could have hoped to gain while in power." I think the more defensible position is that they certainly took full advantage of the opportunity (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#22371938) |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 2:48 PM Author: Hairraiser Den What did they gain from 9/11? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#22371972) |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 2:51 PM Author: Aggressive deer antler trailer park the opportunity to aggressively pursue their interests (and saudi/israeli intersts) in the middle east by taking out a hostile regime in a big, populous country with a shitload of oil (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#22371993) |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 2:52 PM Author: Hairraiser Den What interests in the middle east did Bush have? Are you simply referring to the fact that he wanted a pretext to invade Iraq, because, you know, he didn't like them? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#22371999) |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 2:59 PM Author: Aggressive deer antler trailer park not personal interests man. many people view it to be in our national interest to make sure saudi arabia and israel are the dominant regional powers in the middle east. mostly saudi arabia due to all the oil they have and the fact they sell it in dollars edit: are you flaming me? |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 3:07 PM Author: Hairraiser Den Are you flaming me?
I just think it's a stretch for the government to wilfully kill thousands of its own people so it can invade. I don't necessarily dispute that the US has interests there, but let's be realistic here.
edit: maybe you're not the pumo saying that 9/11 was a conspiracy. |
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Date: January 5th, 2013 3:25 PM Author: histrionic bat-shit-crazy prole ratface http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY
/thread |
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Date: May 6th, 2013 8:39 PM Author: Mustard apoplectic love of her life dilemma http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWt6QAqNftM (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#23147046) |
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Date: May 6th, 2013 8:52 PM Author: azure clown he told the fire dept to demo the building? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#23147105) |
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Date: May 6th, 2013 8:53 PM Author: azure clown Anyone who believes in 911 inside job conspiracy theories is a full-stop grade A moron (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#23147113) |
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Date: May 6th, 2013 8:55 PM Author: appetizing deranged hall Nah man, Larry Silverstein did it and then blurted it out during and interview on national TV. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#23147131) |
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Date: May 6th, 2013 9:14 PM Author: Aromatic ultramarine pervert So the WTC 7 collapse gives you no pause whatsoever, bro? Like anyone who even QUESTIONS it is presumptively a moron because it was SO OBVIOUSLY a structural failure caused by fire?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWorDrTC0Qg |
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Date: May 6th, 2013 9:18 PM Author: appetizing deranged hall If the plan was to blow up buildings with bombs, but hit them with planes first to make it look like the planes brought them down, seems pretty stupid to ALSO blow up a building that didn't get hit with a plane. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#23147316) |
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Date: May 6th, 2013 9:20 PM Author: Aromatic ultramarine pervert Look at the footage bro.
I realize that the conspiracy theories make no sense.
But look at the footage bro.
EDIT another way of putting it:
Conspiracy theory: Highly implausible, unlikely, nonsensical.
47-story steel-framed building collapsing uniformly in 5 seconds because of office fire: impossible. |
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Date: May 6th, 2013 9:22 PM Author: appetizing deranged hall There's a NIST report that covers this in detail. I'll trust the opinions of trained professional engineers before I'll rely on my own untrained assessment by "just looking at the footage." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#23147365) |
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Date: May 6th, 2013 9:48 PM Author: azure clown it twists as it falls - not uniform at all
the south side of the building had extensive fire damage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51FIPMlrFf4 |
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Date: May 6th, 2013 9:52 PM Author: azure clown LOL CONSPIRACY HACKS MAF
http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/faqs_wtc7.cfm
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Date: May 7th, 2013 12:01 AM Author: Aromatic ultramarine pervert I don't buy it, bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#23148739) |
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Date: May 6th, 2013 11:26 PM Author: big sooty stage legal warrant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtW_kzVrzSQ&t=147 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#23148486) |
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Date: May 6th, 2013 11:29 PM Author: Plum Curious Shrine Juggernaut we're not gonna sit here and listen to u bad mouth the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PYb_anBMus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#23148518) |
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Date: June 19th, 2013 1:35 AM Author: Hairraiser Den (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2047743&forum_id=2#23428089) |