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Date: January 4th, 2005 2:44 PM Author: Twinkling vibrant cuck
After the very informative "Why Yale" thread, I thought I'd start one about Harvard. So, what makes Harvard better than Yale? There are a lot of HLS people on the board. Please let us hear your perspectives.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#1877637) |
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Date: January 4th, 2005 3:01 PM Author: Floppy french chef voyeur
"So, what makes Harvard better than Yale?"
Nothing.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#1877702) |
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Date: January 4th, 2005 3:11 PM Author: Magenta Massive Cruise Ship Striped Hyena
let's not be ridiculous.
far broader course offerings, sheer level of overall scholarship, more prestigious flagship law review/journal, more resources for interdisciplinary study, better city
overall, yale is probably better (not like I know for sure), but there are certainly some areas where H has the edge
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#1877731) |
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Date: January 4th, 2005 3:08 PM Author: Cracking Clown Background Story
yale didn't accept me, so it's not like i chose between them.
but harvard is pretty cool. at first the size seemed overwhelming but i kinda dig it now, what with the course offerings and the clubs and all. cambridge/boston are fun.
what sucks is the finals after winter break.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#1877721) |
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Date: January 4th, 2005 3:50 PM Author: Crusty organic girlfriend
sounds like bs to me...
i'd say if i met an alum from any of my schools big or small it would be random and I would care just the same.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#1877879) |
Date: January 4th, 2005 3:15 PM Author: Racy range boltzmann
Because there are more people, you can actually pick people you like to be your friends instead of getting stuck with someone you secretely hate as your closest friend.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#1877741) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2006 1:47 PM Author: Violet Razzle-dazzle Theater Regret
You seem really angry.
And no, most people do not have best friends they secretly hate, even people who don't generally "hate" others.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#5492701) |
Date: January 4th, 2005 3:19 PM Author: Aromatic locale
Bigger schools definitely have some advantages. Of course, it makes sense to keep in mind that more students are competing to use those same resources. So, for example, I'm not sure a larger alumni base helps much with employment when at the same time more students are trying to make use of that alumni base for the same purpose, unless you are intending to go well outside the mainstream of employers.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#1877748) |
Date: January 4th, 2005 3:24 PM Author: Racy range boltzmann
Wow. I just read that why Yale thread and I have never head so many people complain about Yale before. It was really a shocker.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#1877765) |
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Date: January 4th, 2005 3:26 PM Author: Twinkling vibrant cuck
Yeah, tell me about it.
(lol, you don't read your own threads?)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#1877774) |
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Date: January 4th, 2005 3:29 PM Author: Racy range boltzmann
"(lol, you don't read your own threads?)"
I'm an airhead; I forgot all about it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#1877790) |
Date: January 4th, 2005 3:28 PM Author: Cerebral new version corn cake
I'm not attendung, but the obvious is:
Better national/International name recognition
iow it's Harvard
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#1877784)
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Date: January 4th, 2005 3:31 PM Author: Gold Hospital Nowag
Well, if you want to work in Asia ...
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#1877798) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2006 1:40 PM Author: bipolar mad-dog skullcap
TITCR
Aaahhh, Hafa daxue hen hao, feichang feichang hao!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#5492667) |
Date: January 4th, 2005 3:32 PM Author: Racy range boltzmann
You should make a Stanford thread too. I think I would chose Harvard over Yale (I won't have the chance to so it doesn't matter) because 1) more people will likely translate to better friends, 2) Harvard name means more and I want to get into politics after litigation, 3) more classes and 4) more black faculty members
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#1877804) |
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Date: January 4th, 2005 3:40 PM Author: Twinkling vibrant cuck
"You should make a Stanford thread to"
Stanford is definitely part of the trinity, but no one really argues that it's better than H or Y. HYS common admits usually choose H or Y over S.
" 2) Harvard name means more and I want to get into politics after litigation"
Four words: Bill and Hillary Clinton.
"4) more black faculty members"
How does that benefit you?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#1877837) |
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Date: January 4th, 2005 3:48 PM Author: Racy range boltzmann
"Stanford is definitely part of the trinity, but no one really argues that it's better than H or Y."
Well, people are idiots. None of these schools is better than the other. All are great to such an extent that the differences are meaningless. No one is going to say to you "well, if you went to Harvard we might hire/consider/appoint you, but since you went to Stanford, no."
"Four words: Bill and Hillary Clinton."
The Harvard name means more in politics. 10% of the US Senate have HLS degrees. 5 of the SCOTUS members attended HLS. The Harvad name just carries more weight.
""4) more black faculty members"
How does that benefit you?"
I want to do independent research involving race and the law. The more black faculty members increases the likelihood I'd find someone I connected with.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#1877868) |
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Date: January 4th, 2005 3:54 PM Author: Twinkling vibrant cuck
"5 of the SCOTUS members attended HLS."
True, but only 4 graduated from there.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#1877902) |
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Date: January 4th, 2005 5:38 PM Author: Multi-colored Private Investor Pit
"The more black faculty members increases the likelihood I'd find someone I connected with."
Yes, because there aren't any white professors who are interested in race and law. Of course.
That said, HLS has Randy Kennedy, who does research on that topic and is wicked cool to boot.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#1878291) |
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Date: January 4th, 2005 5:48 PM Author: Racy range boltzmann
"Yes, because there aren't any white professors who are interested in race and law. Of course."
Only a few, and I'm not aware of any white CRT at Harvard.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#1878341) |
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Date: January 4th, 2005 5:58 PM Author: Multi-colored Private Investor Pit
That's because CRT doesn't belong in any self-respecting institution.
But if you want to hear prattling on stupid crit shit, there's the (white) Duncan Kennedy and Roberto Unger.
Kennedy will also talk to you about CRT, but you might not like what he says.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#1878379) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2006 1:51 PM Author: Violet Razzle-dazzle Theater Regret
Wait, are you saying that going to HLS over YLS makes it easier to get on the Supreme Court? First, when you correct for size, isn't the number the say. Second, that's just preposterous on its face.
I don't know about the politics thing. I really doubt HLS vs. YLS is going to make a difference as far as becoming a senator. I'm not sure where in the process you thing that will occur. People will vote for you but wouldn't if you were YLS not HLS?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#5492721) |
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Date: March 15th, 2005 2:20 PM Author: olive candlestick maker
"Stanford is definitely part of the trinity, but no one really argues that it's better than H or Y. HYS common admits usually choose H or Y over S."
This is most certainly not true. Yield numbers, particularly for law school, do not differentiate between equals. I have had a disturbing number of Harvard students tell me to go to Stanford over Harvard. The only place in the world where "no one really argues that Stanford is better than H or Y" is on xoxo. And even that's not wholly true.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#2337177)
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Date: March 15th, 2005 10:23 PM Author: Twinkling vibrant cuck
"Yield numbers, particularly for law school, do not differentiate between equals."
They do on some level. At the very least, they indicate which schools are generally perceived to be better than others, whether or not they actually are. And I like to think that people make semi-informed decisions, especially if they are smart enough to have the opportunity to choose between any combination of Y, H, and S.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#2339944) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2006 7:10 PM Author: Galvanic sweet tailpipe
"Stanford is definitely part of the trinity, but no one really argues that it's better than H or Y. HYS common admits usually choose H or Y over S."
If you say so. I think there are many, many people who would disagre, especially the half of Stanford that chose it over Harvard. Also, Stanford and Harvard split admitted students about evenly, and the vast majority of Harvard students did not get into Stanford. Stanford also does slightly better than Harvard placing students in firm jobs, and the two schools have equal SCOTUS clerkship numbers in the last 15 years and in the last 5.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#5495261) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2006 7:15 PM Author: Galvanic sweet tailpipe
"Four words: Bill and Hillary Clinton. "
You have silenced the opposition with this powerful and overwhelming argument. Well done sir.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#5495295) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2006 7:21 PM Author: Galvanic sweet tailpipe
"Stanford is definitely part of the trinity, but no one really argues that it's better than H or Y. HYS common admits usually choose H or Y over S."
Also, the most influential source for these things, which is clearly US News, has ranked Stanford number 2 eight of the last ten years.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#5495342) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2006 7:42 PM Author: vigorous canary milk school
"Stanford is definitely part of the trinity, but no one really argues that it's better than H or Y."
Eh, US News does for one... as do a majority of my SLS classmates who picked Stanford over Harvard.
What's pathetic is when HLS students start trying to argue that they're better than Yale, when the truth is that YLS is in a league of its own.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#5504590) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2006 1:38 PM Author: nubile rambunctious stead idea he suggested
RBG!
how is HLS treating you?
BTW, Yale has more black faculty members than Harvard
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#5492654) |
Date: January 4th, 2005 3:44 PM Author: Magical Point
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#1877851) |
Date: January 4th, 2005 6:46 PM Author: Heady Brunch Weed Whacker
Things I like about Harvard:
1) The size of the school - There is more going on here than any other law school. More classes, more research opportunities, more extracurriculars, more guest lectures/conferences, more students (save GULC).
2) It's really pretty friendly - I think Dean Kagan's caused a big change in the atmosphere of the school. While you've got a lot of driven people running around, there's not the overt competitiveness that there once was at the school. And Kagan and Dean Cosgrove make the administration much more student-friendly than it ever was.
3) Cambridge/Boston.
4) Practical legal education - I think Harvard does a better job than many other schools at giving students opportunities to gain experience in actual legal work. There are a number of courses/clinicals that give you a fair amount exposure to litigation and other work. This could be better (and there are definitely classes that are purely academic) but I think the situation here is better than at Yale.
5) Approachable faculty - this surprised me, but I found all my professors to be receptive to students for questions/advice. You do have to deal with 80 person classes as a 1L though. The institution of reading groups has helped this.
6) Job opportunities - the Summer job hunt as a 1L's been easy. I'm sure it will be even better next year.
Things I don't like about Harvard:
1) It's big - To be honest, I don't mind this, but there are definitely many people you don't know around school and the popular classes are large.
2) It's not as academia-focused as Yale or Stanford. Part of this is the larger class size. It's difficult to get into a position of doing research with faculty. Although many professors are all to happy to help you when you actually are able to distinguish yourself/gain their attention. And there is probably a smaller number of people interested in going the academic route than at Yale, so this may balance out the class-size issue.
3) East Coast Weather.
4) Grades - Although there are drawbacks to having alternatively competitive systems like prof recommendations, having meaningful 1L grades is stressful.
Overall, I like HLS quite a bit and am glad that I decided to come here. But I think the small school/big school distinction is very influential on whether you'll like the school better than its smaller counterparts.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#1878615) |
Date: January 4th, 2005 7:54 PM Author: Mint Gas Station
(1) It's huge, so you can find your niche - friends, student groups, courses, faculty mentors, journals, research projects, bars. This place has everything.
(2) OCI is a breeze. Seriously. People with B averages have multiple offers in major markets. (This probably doesn't distinguish H from Y, but it's still nice).
(3) Student life is pretty good... lots of nice little perks (nice library, nice new student center, good classrooms, free coffee, free printing).
(4) I think Boston/Cambridge is a dump, so that doesn't earn H any points... but it's probably better than New Haven.
(5) Financial aid was quite generous.
(6) Alumni network, due to its sheer volume. When you have job/clerkship interviews, a person from H is much more likely to end up talking to a fellow alum than a person from Y. I think this really matters.
(7) This is stupid, but "lay" people who aren't lawyers almost uniformly think that H is better than Y.
So overall, it depends on your personality. If you're a self-starter who wants to control his/her own destiny, come to H. If you are more into the small, tight-knit community thing, go to Y. I'm guessing that people from Harvard/Princeton/Duke/Penn/Georgetown/large state school are more likely to prefer H, while people from Amherst/Williams/Wellesley are more likely to prefer Y.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#1878882) |
Date: January 4th, 2005 8:15 PM Author: stimulating church headpube
Looking at their course catalogue, it seems to be much broader than Yale's which is a plus.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#1878971) |
Date: January 5th, 2005 12:16 AM Author: mentally impaired rebellious hairy legs queen of the night Subject: Yawn
Doesn't anyone ever get tired of this?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#1879949) |
Date: March 15th, 2005 11:40 AM Author: Racy range boltzmann
prestige bump
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#2336155) |
Date: March 15th, 2005 1:19 PM Author: poppy thirsty tanning salon
HARVARD IS BETTER BECAUSE I GO THERE
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#2336731) |
Date: March 15th, 2005 6:39 PM Author: infuriating slippery site indirect expression Subject: fair enough.
Why should one attend Harvard?
Because one did not get into Yale.
Clearly, you don't fit this description, Alcibiades. Nor are you delusional ord otherwise mentally handicapped.
Thus, I respectfully submit that you shut your fucking mouth and send your goddamned deposit to:
Office of Admissions
THE Yale Law School
127 Wall Street
New Haven, CT, 06511.
I hope this helps.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#2338713)
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Date: March 15th, 2005 6:48 PM Author: Ultramarine big lettuce
UCLA GEORGETOWN CLERKSHIPS LEITER
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#2338768) |
Date: March 15th, 2005 7:15 PM Author: Filthy digit ratio
85% of Harvard kids have never been in a fight. If your goal is to mug people and get away with it, this is the place to go.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#2338970) |
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Date: March 15th, 2005 7:18 PM Author: glittery factory reset button messiness
Unless you run into this kid...he will shank your ass!
www.courttv.com/trials/pring-wilson/
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#2338987) |
Date: April 2nd, 2006 1:49 PM Author: Ebony Electric Police Squad Ape Subject: The real deal
As one of my friends put it, 'all of the real gunners go to Harvard.' If you go to Harvard, you'll be 1) graded and 2) going against the real, honest-to-goodness cut-throat glory seekers rather than academic wannabees or policy wonks.
And they'll all be especially on edge because they need to prove themselves after getting dinged from Yale.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#5492709) |
Date: April 2nd, 2006 1:54 PM Author: Fragrant emerald kitty cat
because there's satisfaction in knowing that one passed the CA bar despite graduating from a program with lower passage #s than hastings.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#5492737) |
Date: April 2nd, 2006 6:26 PM Author: thriller blathering love of her life
the opportunity to take classes with Roberto Unger
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#5494890) |
Date: April 2nd, 2006 6:30 PM Author: talented iridescent address
Harvard is so fucking well regarded (which doesn't mean good, mind you) that the fucking people who were in my ALM classes got their degrees and got good jobs and into top 10 Ph.D programs.
My advisor told me that two students with an ALM in government landed jobs with defense contractors, and you know what those jobs pay...
Harvard may not be the best school, but it's pretty fucking good, but this is less important than the prestige associated with the name. It's just a fact of life. Harvard makes employers cream all over themselves.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#5494920) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2006 5:07 PM Author: ivory meetinghouse
"Harvard makes employers cream all over themselves."
um, no it doesn't. there are five hundred and fifty HLS grads every single year. there is no harvard mystique among any employers worth impressing. you are an utterly fungible commodity.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#5503210) |
Date: April 2nd, 2006 11:07 PM Author: Slimy theatre
For the Harvard UGs out there, would you choose HLS or YLS?
While I most likely will get dinged from Yale, I'm curious as to how far Harvard UG's "school loyalty" extends.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#5497227)
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Date: April 2nd, 2006 11:16 PM Author: Twinkling vibrant cuck
There are more from Harvard (94 last year) than from any other undergrad, including Yale (85).
http://www.yale.edu/bulletin/html/law/students.html
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=121148&forum_id=2#5497326) |
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