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THE OFFICIAL "JIGSAW DEATHS" MEMORIAL CATALOGUE THREAD
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Date: October 20th, 2009 12:56 AM Author: anal supple station scourge upon the earth To be fair,
All JIGSAW posts and threads will be permanently preserved in this vault for posterity and to assist in the ongoing criminal investigation into these heinous and despicable acts.
**Introduction**
http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1114205&forum_id=2#13021075
**Victim #1: Earl Manigoat (Deceased, now Earl Manighost)**
http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1114162&forum_id=2#13020678 (Capture/Test)
**Victim #2: Foggy Bottom Dreaming (Deceased, now Foggy Bottom Reaming Barbaro in Hell)**
1. http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1114205&forum_id=2#13025039 (Capture)
2. http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115286&forum_id=2#13032921 (Test)
**Victim #3: Pensive (Dumb, worthless STD-ridden faggot)**
1. http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115292&forum_id=2#13034252 (Capture)
2.(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115708&forum_id=2#13037769 (Test)
**Victim #4: :D (Killed after refusing to play like a bitch)**
1. http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115744&forum_id=2#13038437 (Capture)
2. http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1116722&forum_id=2#13049225 (Test)
**Victim #5: The Box (Minus a nose)**
1. http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1114903&forum_id=2#13043503 (Capture)
2. http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1116282&mc=7&forum_id=2 (News Coverage of the Capture)
3. http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1117070&forum_id=2#13053596 (Video of the Incarceration)
4.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idkyk_RzXWc (Video of the Torture)
**Victim #6: Rowan (Deceased, now creatively renamed The Ghost of Rowan)**
1. http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1116389&forum_id=2#13047323 (Capture)
2. http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1118704&forum_id=2#13070970 (Test)
**Victim #7: Mandy (Killed by TMF)**
1. http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115286&forum_id=2#13047532 (Capture)
2. http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1119462&mc=126&forum_id=2 (Test)
**Victim #8: The Meanest Fish (Deceased, now The Murdered Faggot)**
1. http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115286&forum_id=2#13054155 (Capture)
2. http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1119462&mc=126&forum_id=2 (Test)
**Victim #9: To be fair (Deceased, now Tobin snared)
1. http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1118761&mc=27&forum_id=2 (Capture)
2. http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1119462&mc=126&forum_id=2 (Test)
**Victim #10: Dr. Science a.k.a. Stabby (TBD)***
1. http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1118103&forum_id=2#13064988 (Capture)
**Victim #11: Rasquatch (TBD)**
1. http://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1120705&mc=7&forum_id=2#13090358 (Capture)
**Victim #12: Bluesmoke (Deceased, now *B*lue *S*kinned Corpse)**
1. http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1121018&forum_id=2#13093971 (Capture)
2. http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1122400&mc=164&forum_id=2#13107357 (Test)
**Victim #13: ???**
**Victim #14: ???** |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 12:59 AM Author: amber rambunctious public bath corn cake TYFT brillian work TBF Earl was 176 but Foggy was 180 |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 1:00 AM Author: anal supple station scourge upon the earth To be fair,
Hey man I didn't do it, Tobin Bell did.
I'm just archiving |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 1:00 AM Author: amber rambunctious public bath corn cake sure.... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13034598) |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 1:14 AM Author: Thriller Property Hunting Ground that doesn't even make any sense. you saw what jigsaw pulled off in those threads. do you really think he's going to be discovered this early? it's probably a retired poster who was pretty good back in the day and now only rolls under punctuation mark monikers. maybe 174/dungeonmasttter? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13034737) |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 1:16 AM Author: motley foreskin alpha cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13034750) |
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Date: November 5th, 2009 4:38 PM Author: floppy hall indirect expression was good either way.
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Date: October 20th, 2009 1:17 AM Author: Lascivious Fighting Goyim Tattoo It's kind of your style, though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13034767) |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 5:30 PM Author: Dashing blathering water buffalo shitlib yea. It's obviously tbf. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13039263) |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 5:32 PM Author: Avocado kink-friendly mad cow disease lol you guys are retarded. there's no way in hell tobin bell is tbf. the styles couldn't be any more different (creative, good writer vs. fucking idiot). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13039273) |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 7:28 PM Author: motley foreskin alpha Yet I'm pretty sure TBF has a lot more 180 posts than you do
*Waits for "his posts are terrible", "lol @ caring about posting on a stupid forum", "sup tbf", etc etc.* |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 7:33 PM Author: chrome stage mother sup tbf (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13040006) |
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Date: October 21st, 2009 1:50 AM Author: anal supple station scourge upon the earth To be fair,
ty |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 10:22 AM Author: Copper misanthropic giraffe yeah, it is definitely TBF. He is one of the first replies and now is cataloging them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13035943) |
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Date: October 24th, 2009 1:32 AM Author: Chestnut Excitant Forum Old Irish Cottage agreed. i think this is general consensus. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13070261) |
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Date: October 24th, 2009 1:41 PM Author: floppy hall indirect expression titcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13072270) |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 1:00 AM Author: Concupiscible church building candlestick maker lol wtf happened to the other thread? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13034594) |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 1:01 AM Author: Hot marketing idea ticket booth it probably got deleted because it should be off topic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13034607) |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 1:01 AM Author: amber rambunctious public bath corn cake is some DB mod too scared of Tobin's games? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13034609) |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 1:01 AM Author: sticky boltzmann preventive strike there was a typo in the thread title, so a mod deleted it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13034612) |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 1:00 AM Author: razzle trailer park OMG PENSIVE NEXT? I'm so excited. :D (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13034600) |
Date: October 20th, 2009 1:02 AM Author: obsidian selfie also, after reading these - is there any doubt that Scalia is right, that some of our best minds are wasted on the law? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13034627) |
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Date: October 24th, 2009 1:42 PM Author: floppy hall indirect expression true. but what else can we do ? i started in engineering and look which asian shithole does not do engineering now and which western country does anything. "service" industry my ass.
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Date: October 20th, 2009 10:06 AM Author: Thriller Property Hunting Ground (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13035910) |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 10:11 AM Author: cerise puppy The Foggy Bottom one was amazing work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13035919) |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 10:40 AM Author: Coiffed theatre cuck tyvmft (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13036018) |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 11:24 AM Author: slate tank serious, instant classics right here. FBD's pwnage might be a t25 thread. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13036300) |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 11:27 AM Author: Mauve feces abode I agree, it serves as a nice reminder that the years I've wasted on this chat server are occasionally worth it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13036326) |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 11:36 AM Author: Thriller Property Hunting Ground it's been up for a while and the lowest rating is a 180. imo it just might be THE seminal poast on this chatblog. i cant think of another time when i've actually been anticipating a specific poaster's future threads. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13036387) |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 11:37 AM Author: Mauve feces abode dungeonmasTTTer approached this level of universal acclaim at times (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13036394) |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 11:40 AM Author: Thriller Property Hunting Ground that is true. maybe dungeonmasTTTer is at it again (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13036409) |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 11:41 AM Author: Mauve feces abode I'm sure he's still around. I've suspected that he's solzy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13036422) |
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Date: November 22nd, 2009 12:57 PM Author: wonderful salmon plaza good times good times (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13337465) |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 11:40 AM Author: amber rambunctious public bath corn cake There have been specific threads, but no schtick of this quality for a long long time (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13036415) |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 11:42 AM Author: Comical Mediation to be fair is jigsaw. promoting your own work is TTT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13036424) |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 11:43 AM Author: Mauve feces abode yeah i really hope it isnt TBF, just because he was heaping on the praise in the Earl and FBD threads. I dont want this great schtick to be tarnished by hacky self-promotion. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13036433) |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 12:24 PM Author: amber rambunctious public bath corn cake it probably is, but I'm going to pretend it's not (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13036791) |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 12:26 PM Author: motley foreskin alpha yeah, the whole "heaping on praise" thing is probably reverse psychology to throw people off because they'll think "it can't be TBF that would be too tacky for him to suck himself off like that" and it works better than either denying it or saying nothing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13036811) |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 12:27 PM Author: Concupiscible church building candlestick maker lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13036834) |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 12:27 PM Author: Concupiscible church building candlestick maker yeah, he's also the TTT partner CCN resume guy, but that won't get in the way of my enjoyment of the threads (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13036826) |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 12:34 PM Author: motley foreskin alpha 120
I have no idea why you think I'm TBF. I bump a lot of his threads but that's because they're good, and I'm definitely not the only poster that bumps them. I bump a lot of other people's threads too, HTH.
FWIW I think Huanging by a Ted probably is a TBF alt moniker |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 12:51 PM Author: Concupiscible church building candlestick maker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13037015) |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 1:04 PM Author: motley foreskin alpha Well I also don't believe that TBF is Ron Chen/Dean Bitterman/etc etc that people think and they all have similar writing styles.
lol @ you thinking there's only one person on XO who thinks Chicago is a sack of shit.
I'm not gonna debate the point anymore
"tbf ia good dood and a great poster"
I agree, so I'm flattered, ty
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Date: October 20th, 2009 1:13 PM Author: Concupiscible church building candlestick maker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13037181) |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 12:34 PM Author: Brass dysfunction lodge i hold out a small glimmer of hope it's not, and TBF is just making the real killer very very angry. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13036887) |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 12:56 PM Author: Mauve feces abode maybe. In my opinion, whoever is responsible for this schtick can NEVER take responsibility for it (I hope u read this, whoever is running it). I know it must be tempting to take credit, but a true artist would let the schtick speak for itself and not sully it by associating it with their reputation on this board. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13037036) |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 1:05 PM Author: motley foreskin alpha MFCR
Case in point: be DungeonmasTTTer - who people still wonder about - not 19th Century Time Traveler, who people stopped caring about as soon as Prodsmock took credit
Also, abandon the account and just leave it as Tobin Bell forever; it would suck if there were more posts on this account that weren't in character or the account became "...,...,," |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 1:14 PM Author: Mauve feces abode word, I was actually thinking about Prodsmack specifically when I made this poast. *high five* |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 11:56 AM Author: Vivacious point I want to make sure i have a good glass of wine when i read the next one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13036544) |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 11:59 AM Author: Sienna hominid lol this is good shit. you should be the official XO archivist (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13036570) |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 12:29 PM Author: primrose persian set (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13036851) |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 3:59 PM Author: Frozen hyperventilating cruise ship yarmulke new capture (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13038509) |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 4:48 PM Author: Grizzly Odious Range my goodness gracious this is breathtaking. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13038966) |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 4:54 PM Author: Lascivious Fighting Goyim Tattoo Isn't it, though? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13039005) |
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Date: October 20th, 2009 9:20 PM Author: Charismatic sadistic queen of the night menage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13040999) |
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Date: October 21st, 2009 1:49 AM Author: bistre principal's office gunner The Box captured http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1114903&forum_id=2#13043503 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13043594) |
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Date: October 21st, 2009 1:51 AM Author: anal supple station scourge upon the earth To be fair,
tyty
So he's captured both :D and The Box now???
Oh shit, double header tomorrow night perhaps? |
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Date: October 21st, 2009 6:41 AM Author: jet-lagged diverse ladyboy trump supporter Holy shit, maybe even a game with two players at once. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13044316) |
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Date: October 21st, 2009 5:00 AM Author: Brass dysfunction lodge this has to go into the OP, it looks like it's a record of what happened on the video.
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1116282&mc=7&forum_id=2 |
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Date: October 21st, 2009 5:16 PM Author: razzle trailer park Mandy's capture: http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115286&forum_id=2#13047532
Rowan's capture: http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1116389&forum_id=2#13047323 |
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Date: October 21st, 2009 7:13 PM Author: anal supple station scourge upon the earth To be fair,
Holy shit
ty added |
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Date: October 21st, 2009 11:30 PM Author: obsidian selfie man, i go away for a few hours, and *this* shit goes down (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13051174) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2009 2:47 AM Author: obsidian selfie needs an update with The Box hostage video (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13053667) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2009 7:30 AM Author: chrome stage mother Fish! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13054179) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2009 8:00 AM Author: geriatric coffee pot He got TMF (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13054187) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2009 9:31 AM Author: laughsome step-uncle's house french chef did he ever (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13054274) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2009 9:37 AM Author: Indigo home antidepressant drug (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13054280) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2009 9:37 AM Author: Indigo home antidepressant drug (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13054278) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2009 9:40 AM Author: Fear-inspiring garrison Explain.
TYIA |
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Date: October 22nd, 2009 9:44 AM Author: Indigo home antidepressant drug (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13054296) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2009 9:53 AM Author: Fear-inspiring garrison You should've played along dude. It's good Internet fun.
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Date: October 22nd, 2009 10:01 AM Author: Indigo home antidepressant drug (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13054360) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2009 10:56 AM Author: pea-brained theater incel So lame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13054726) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2009 9:59 AM Author: gay stirring codepig library *notices that your small stature makes transporting you surprisingly easy despite the lack of sedatives*
LOL |
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Date: October 23rd, 2009 7:02 PM Author: mind-boggling liquid oxygen pervert ty for your helpful cataloguing dooder. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13067560) |
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Date: October 24th, 2009 1:23 AM Author: obsidian selfie (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13070200) |
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Date: October 24th, 2009 12:50 PM Author: cordovan crackhouse therapy To be fair, I'm pretty sure I inspired the Jigsaw schtick, as I posted this hours before his first post:
http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1113712&mc=45&forum_id=2#13019224
Jigsaw I think that at least qualifies for a "lesson" from you
- Signed: Ghetto Woman, Ching of Chong, Defecation Tissue Spotter, and Valpo Law Girl |
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Date: October 25th, 2009 8:34 AM Author: cordovan crackhouse therapy Also notice that he used the acid guy in the Rowan episode. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13079682) |
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Date: October 25th, 2009 9:09 AM Author: Brass dysfunction lodge you just put the idea into action, the poaster above you was the one to draw the parallel between the news article and jigsaw. come to think of it, how do we know that he didn't inspire you...meaning you're the jigsaw killer? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13079693) |
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Date: October 25th, 2009 9:15 AM Author: cordovan crackhouse therapy I wish I was. I am not talented enough to run that schtick. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13079697) |
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Date: October 25th, 2009 1:27 AM Author: anal supple station scourge upon the earth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13078439) |
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Date: October 25th, 2009 9:45 AM Author: Sable Roast Beef People Who Are Hurt http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZfpM7Ej6lI&#t=08m05s
IT'S A SAD THING THAT YOUR ADVENTURES HAVE ENDED HERE!! |
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Date: October 25th, 2009 9:47 AM Author: drab telephone brunch Your adventure is only beginning. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13079744) |
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Date: October 25th, 2009 9:49 AM Author: Sable Roast Beef People Who Are Hurt A heroic WOC is on her way to save me. If you do not begin the next test by 7:00 am on October 26, I shall be freed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13079746) |
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Date: October 25th, 2009 6:16 PM Author: Bat-shit-crazy awkward bawdyhouse Or the heroic WOC gets kidnapped and tossed into a cell along with your other heroic (though extraordinarily homely) girlfriend. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13082791) |
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Date: October 25th, 2009 9:46 AM Author: jet-lagged diverse ladyboy trump supporter The jigsaw schtick was an epic disappointment. Fuck that faggot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13079741) |
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Date: October 28th, 2009 8:40 PM Author: marvelous church It's funny how he wouldn't quit even after he pwned himself repeatedly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13113503) |
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Date: October 28th, 2009 8:34 PM Author: primrose persian set http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1122400&mc=164&forum_id=2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13113436) |
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Date: November 2nd, 2009 5:37 AM Author: big sex offender so umm... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13152914) |
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Date: November 5th, 2009 4:36 PM Author: provocative toilet seat *makes jigsaw poast more* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13187175) |
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Date: November 5th, 2009 6:55 PM Author: burgundy zippy lay 1xx pounds of fat chick captured:
http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1129807&forum_id=2#13188251 |
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Date: November 7th, 2009 3:07 PM Author: provocative toilet seat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13206245) |
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Date: November 22nd, 2009 12:52 PM Author: flushed talented whorehouse legal warrant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13337445) |
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Date: November 22nd, 2009 1:55 PM Author: Contagious Office TBF, where is your boyfriend? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13337843) |
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Date: January 15th, 2010 12:04 AM Author: mind-boggling liquid oxygen pervert (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1115436&forum_id=2#13811343) |