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t/f: the only way to big $$$ ($500k/year +) is by owning a biz
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Date: June 12th, 2013 12:44 PM Author: Curious charcoal plaza dysfunction or at least owning a part of a business (e.g., partnership)
i say true
with the exception of some doctors who clear this much per year and some top executives (who largely get their pay from stock options, meaning equity stakes in their company), you don't make this kind of $$ working for someone else |
Date: June 12th, 2013 12:48 PM Author: medicated fighting death wish partner obvsly tru (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23380489) |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 12:50 PM Author: Rambunctious trip stock car Making $500k+ a year isn't terribly common when you look at the entire labor force. Vast majority of business owners struggle to net $100k a year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23380506) |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 12:51 PM Author: Curious charcoal plaza dysfunction what is 500k+? like top .1%? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23380513) |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 12:52 PM Author: Rambunctious trip stock car Among single filers, it's probably like the top .5 % (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23380525) |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 12:53 PM Author: Curious charcoal plaza dysfunction jesus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23380528) |
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Date: June 14th, 2013 11:33 AM Author: mischievous pea-brained lodge candlestick maker one of 200? no fucking way it's that high (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23394223) |
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Date: June 17th, 2013 5:39 AM Author: Awkward cruise ship with regard to AGI, the top 1% is something like 350K (this is based off tax returns not self reported "what is your dick size/income/net worth garbage)
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Date: June 17th, 2013 12:31 PM Author: mischievous pea-brained lodge candlestick maker i found this here http://www.irs.gov/uac/SOI-Tax-Stats-Individual-Statistical-Tables-by-Tax-Rate-and-Income-Percentile 2010 top 1% is $370k 2010 top .1% is $1.6m i was wrong |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 1:44 PM Author: Umber space queen of the night the entire labor force is filled with retards. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23380846) |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 1:47 PM Author: Curious charcoal plaza dysfunction true
but just having a lot of intelligence doesn't necessarily mean you're going to make a crapload of $$
i think at the higher end of the income spectrum people skills are more important than anything |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 12:51 PM Author: Concupiscible boiling water fanboi since you decided to fold doctors/consultants/biglaw partners and most finance jobs under the title of "owning a business" sure. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23380515) |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 12:52 PM Author: Curious charcoal plaza dysfunction doctors are the exception. most are salaried aren't they? and even the salaried ones can clear multiple hundreds of thousands
technically biglaw partners do own a biz....its just a part of one |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 12:53 PM Author: Rambunctious trip stock car doctors in private practice are not "salaried" in the tradition sense. They may pay themselves a salary, but in reality they are a small business owner. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23380534) |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 12:54 PM Author: Curious charcoal plaza dysfunction but doctors at hospitals (who i assume are employees of the hospital) can still clear a crapload, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23380542) |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 12:56 PM Author: Rambunctious trip stock car A physician being on staff at a hospital isn't the same as being "employed" by the hospital unless you are talking about an academic type arrangement where the doctor is a salaried employee of the university and hospital. Doctors who are on staff at private hospitals are really more like private contractors. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23380569) |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 3:57 PM Author: citrine persian stage And also don't clear half a mil in numbers anywhere close to those in private practice. Private practice >>>>>>>>>> on staff @ hospital in terms of salary. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23381596) |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 3:32 PM Author: aromatic elastic band most of the doctors at hospitals own their own practice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23381373) |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 1:04 PM Author: Wine generalized bond There are fewer of these jobs than shares of big firm non-income partnerships, but top legal execs at big companies make this much, and some make a lot more. Shorthand version of this would be the GC (obvs) and GC's direct reports, so roughly the top 10 or so lawyers in a legal department for a global 500 company. GCs further down from G500 can make this much as well. Any exec title or even the layer just below (i.e. the first level of managers) makes 300K+ and can do this well at a big company if the company's stock has a particularly good year and they pay top end bonuses. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23380620) |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 1:52 PM Author: Insane salmon parlor Yeah, this is what I was trying to say below. I know a dude who is a VP at an F500 and pulls something like 350k for what seems like pretty reasonable hours (like 9-6, but a lot of traveling). And these companies have a shit ton of VPs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23380880) |
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Date: June 16th, 2013 10:28 PM Author: elite bisexual ladyboy range That's still a pretty high achievement to get to that level. Most attorneys top out at AGC. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23411054) |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 1:50 PM Author: Insane salmon parlor nm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23380870) |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 1:50 PM Author: Vigorous anal doctorate location tbf,
Most business owners are retards with no growth plan who get stuck making 45k a year. |
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Date: June 13th, 2013 1:17 AM Author: Ultramarine church son of senegal (guy who never started a business) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23385488) |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 1:52 PM Author: Honey-headed abusive station Investments can clear you $500k+, but it's really a subset of owning your own business because you take equity in different assets. I'm just nitpicking though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23380881) |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 3:33 PM Author: aromatic elastic band Professional athletes, actors, and celebs in general. Other than that, seems like it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23381380) |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 3:34 PM Author: Umber space queen of the night I've been telling people this for years, but no one listens.
instead, i just get "ahh ahh ugh too risky...ahh no heart, ahhh too much risk, too hard, no heart, afraid to fail.....ugh...gonna take out $175k in loans for law center instead and be mediocre for the rest of my life, ugh." |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 3:54 PM Author: boyish chrome indirect expression double fault (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23381568) |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 4:57 PM Author: Exciting field Wait, aren't you a faggot biglaw guy? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23381912) |
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Date: June 13th, 2013 10:50 AM Author: Curious charcoal plaza dysfunction (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23386654) |
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Date: June 14th, 2013 11:29 AM Author: floppy stead tell us about the businesses you've started (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23394199) |
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Date: June 14th, 2013 11:33 AM Author: razzle-dazzle bronze fat ankles Rofl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23394224) |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 3:51 PM Author: indigo hot house This is really accurate...except for a bunch of exceptions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23381546) |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 4:07 PM Author: Curious charcoal plaza dysfunction such as? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23381663) |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 4:09 PM Author: Umber space queen of the night pro athlete actor/actress trader/portfolio manager singer/rapper/rocker high end commission based sales |
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Date: June 14th, 2013 11:37 AM Author: mischievous pea-brained lodge candlestick maker what kind of sales people make 500k? I know sales is sweet for getting into 6 figures, but i wouldn't think too many are hitting 1/2 mil (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23394238) |
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Date: June 14th, 2013 11:41 AM Author: Saffron cuck The guy who owns the sales business (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23394258) |
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Date: June 17th, 2013 5:42 AM Author: Awkward cruise ship yeah there are literally maybe 2000 pro afleets making that money, and maybe a few hundred actors ad singers.
so like 10 percent of the total population of faggot town. where you are vice mayor no doubt. |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 4:13 PM Author: tripping digit ratio biglaw non-equity partners and of counsel.
associates/VPs, etc in PE/HF/bulge brackets.
myriad of VP, director and other middle/upper management jobs in random F500 companies where salary + bonus equals $500k.
in my 50-person firm alone (finance), i can think of 8-10 people who don't have equity who are likely to clear $500k this year. they are associate-level analysts and marketing people who get commissions. |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 4:47 PM Author: Curious charcoal plaza dysfunction jesus are you in nyc? what type of finance firm? |
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Date: June 14th, 2013 10:42 AM Author: shaky arousing piazza I can vouch for this. Buy side analysts are mostly former sell-side associates these days, and if you are going to give up miserable hours at Morgan Stanley for miserable hours some 30 person fund there are least has to be a mild markup to the 250 you are already making. So they give you 300 or 350, and before you know it you are there 2-4 years and 500 seems justifiable since you are one of the most tenured employees save for the founders.
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Date: June 12th, 2013 3:57 PM Author: citrine persian stage Yes. Absolutely yes. Categorically yes. Even executives who pull that much have an ownership stake in the companies they run. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23381587) |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 6:10 PM Author: mind-boggling cerise becky garrison of course this is true for people born after 1975 or so. And I don't even really count things like biglaw partnership as "owning" a business I just consider them to be basically unavailable to people who were born too late. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23382332) |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 8:23 PM Author: Curious charcoal plaza dysfunction lol true
does'nt basically no one make partner these days? |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 8:19 PM Author: Ultramarine church son of senegal the only way? obviously false. actor, athlete, specialist MD, biglaw partner, business executive, all sorts of shit if you're at the top of your game (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23383191) |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 8:24 PM Author: Curious charcoal plaza dysfunction ok but all of those are akin to winning the lottery
being a business owner is really the only *realistic* way of making that much $$...i say realistic because even though it will take a shit load of hard work and perhaps even a bit of luck it is not a total crapshoot like the ones you have listed in your post |
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Date: June 13th, 2013 1:19 AM Author: Ultramarine church son of senegal (guy who doesn't know shit about shit) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23385493) |
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Date: June 13th, 2013 10:49 AM Author: Curious charcoal plaza dysfunction educate me then, prole (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23386648) |
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Date: June 13th, 2013 1:23 AM Author: razzle native trust fund I don't understand how being a finance striver is any less of a crapshoot than owning your own business. 500k isn't terribly uncommon in NYC or SF (or london/tokyo/hongkong etc) bigfinance at the post-mba level. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23385505) |
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Date: June 18th, 2013 7:18 AM Author: Awkward cruise ship it is in fact not terribly uncommon but the subtext of many of the poasts here seems to be that these positions will be available to just anyone.
99% of you will fail to ever break 500K a year. COLD. HARD. FACTS. |
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Date: June 14th, 2013 10:04 AM Author: Curious charcoal plaza dysfunction (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23393785) |
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Date: June 14th, 2013 11:25 AM Author: Aphrodisiac ivory hairy legs true, unless you're in finance (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23394167) |
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Date: June 16th, 2013 9:22 PM Author: Curious charcoal plaza dysfunction (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23410434) |
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Date: June 16th, 2013 9:46 PM Author: hateful senate True. The only multi-millionaires I know are business owners. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23410653) |
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Date: June 16th, 2013 9:48 PM Author: Curious charcoal plaza dysfunction describe their businesses (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23410666) |
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Date: June 16th, 2013 9:53 PM Author: hateful senate computer software mainly, other tech stuff, restaurants
my goal is to open my own business |
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Date: June 17th, 2013 12:18 PM Author: soul-stirring factory reset button around 250k is top 1% a year, it'll be somewhat higher in the Northeast and Cali. Relatively easy to make 100-150k. But as what OP said, if you really want to get ahead, you have to have equity and if the biz does well sell out and take advantage of capital gains rates.
BTW: why are there so few posts nowadays? |
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Date: June 18th, 2013 7:38 AM Author: Umber space queen of the night $250k is top 1% income? if so, that's pretty lousy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23421117) |
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Date: June 17th, 2013 9:43 PM Author: Curious charcoal plaza dysfunction (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23417865) |
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Date: June 17th, 2013 11:56 PM Author: talking french prole gaming laptop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23419169) |
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Date: June 18th, 2013 12:01 AM Author: Lascivious slate mad cow disease just do aspire to own multiple properties, bro (both to live in and to rent) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23419210) |
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Date: June 18th, 2013 12:07 AM Author: learning disabled underhanded mental disorder property Be an executive of a non-profit. For example, dean of a law school or ED of a museum or some shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23419259) |
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Date: June 18th, 2013 12:09 AM Author: talking french prole gaming laptop This is why being at an ins. def. law firm is no route to becoming a millionaire, even if a partner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23419291) |
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Date: June 18th, 2013 3:44 PM Author: talking french prole gaming laptop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23422953) |
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Date: June 18th, 2013 12:46 AM Author: talking french prole gaming laptop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23419801) |
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Date: June 18th, 2013 6:31 AM Author: talking french prole gaming laptop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23421072) |
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Date: June 18th, 2013 10:08 AM Author: orchid maniacal striped hyena hospital Doesn't owning a business also give you ridiculous tax benefits? At least that's what I hear from the few SMALLBUSINESSJERBCREATORs I know. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23421399) |
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Date: June 18th, 2013 9:19 PM Author: talking french prole gaming laptop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279889&forum_id=2#23425075) |