Yesterday I asked why a government couldn't legitimately kil...	Filthy slimy patrolman nursing home	05/12/13
signed by the founders of the government as a contract with ...	passionate khaki old irish cottage field	05/12/13
so you're arguing the constitution is an implied contract b/...	Filthy slimy patrolman nursing home	05/12/13
implied initially but upheld and expanded through common law...	passionate khaki old irish cottage field	05/12/13
best argument i've heard so far. but then of course, if it'...	Filthy slimy patrolman nursing home	05/12/13
you're born into the contract. i guess the argument is your ...	passionate khaki old irish cottage field	05/12/13
perhaps but this is of course the flaw in the government-as-...	Filthy slimy patrolman nursing home	05/12/13

Date: May 12th, 2013 7:09 PM Author: Filthy slimy patrolman nursing home Yesterday I asked why a government couldn't legitimately kill its own citizens. Many of you cited the 8th amendment as an independent restriction on government power. But why should we think a document is itself legitimate? What is legitimacy? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2254201&forum_id=2#23185195)

Date: May 12th, 2013 7:15 PM Author: passionate khaki old irish cottage field signed by the founders of the government as a contract with the american people. more simplistically, think of it as a jeffersonian codification of locke's 2nd treatise on gov't. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2254201&forum_id=2#23185239)

Date: May 12th, 2013 7:16 PM Author: Filthy slimy patrolman nursing home so you're arguing the constitution is an implied contract b/w the state and every american citizen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2254201&forum_id=2#23185246)

Date: May 12th, 2013 7:17 PM Author: passionate khaki old irish cottage field implied initially but upheld and expanded through common law and court judgments as precendial value for interpreting contract. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2254201&forum_id=2#23185257)

Date: May 12th, 2013 7:24 PM Author: Filthy slimy patrolman nursing home best argument i've heard so far. but then of course, if it's a contract why can't citizens opt out? You might argue they can -- but US citizens by birth don't have much say in the matter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2254201&forum_id=2#23185308)

Date: May 12th, 2013 7:26 PM Author: passionate khaki old irish cottage field you're born into the contract. i guess the argument is your mom had gov't protection to gestate you safely and the docs/nurses delivered you without you dying and by the time you learn enough to opt out you owe the public school system, the fed gov't (roads), and local police for allowing the indulgence to study over engaging in child labor or being a child soldier. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2254201&forum_id=2#23185324)

Date: May 12th, 2013 7:27 PM Author: Filthy slimy patrolman nursing home perhaps but this is of course the flaw in the government-as-contract argument (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2254201&forum_id=2#23185333)