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Date: November 9th, 2007 12:28 PM Author: boyish area
Anthony Ciolli Dropped from Lawsuit Against Autoadmit Posters
The Wall Street Journal has the story and a link to the amended complaint. It appears the plaintiffs originally thought Mr. Ciolli had posted defamatory and tortious comments under a pseudonym but have now concluded he did not. The complaint has, however, added several new pseudonymous defendants (including one who was using my name!).
Alas,, as the WSJ reports, Mr. Ciolli continues to whitewash his involvement in Autoadmit, for obvious reasons. I had the misfortune to be the first grown-up to comment publically (more than two years ago) on that cesspool of infantile morons, racists, and misogynistic freaks known as Autoadmit, and as a result I heard repeatedly over the years from numerous law students, mostly women, who were viciously vicitmized on that site. Many shared with me their correspondence with Mr. Ciolli, or told me about their futile efforts to get help from the alleged "administrators" of the site, Mr. Ciolli and Jarret Cohen, who often responded with contempt and derision to these requests. What I learned from them certainly confirms what a poster here said in response to the Wall Street Journal article about the law firm rescinding Mr. Ciolli's job offer:
It drives me crazy to hear people trying to defend this guy, Ciolli. It’s not like he was some kind of innocent third party who just opened up a message board and was Shocked, Shocked to discover that the board turned into sexually harassing, threatening mob targeting female law students.
The victims of AutoAdmit complained to Ciolli. Repatedly. They asked that he moderate the worst of the posts. He belittled them and threatened to post their requests on AutoAdmit for further harassment. The dean of his law school intervened with him to moderate the posts. Repeatedly. He refused. He did, however, take down numerous other posts, including those criticizing him, from the board. The guy made a choice, to aid and abet a massive harassment-fest that edged over into threats of violence and actively googlebomb-trashed the reputations of numerous law students who were unlucky enough to be female and attending higher-ranked law schools than Ciolli and his posters.
Ciolli made his choice — in a very public way! — to allow the horribleness of AutoAdmit to continue. Now he’s facing some consequences of that decision that he made. There’s no witch hunt here, just a law firm evaluating the choices a person actually made, and deciding not to hire him.
I know for a fact, having seen the correspondence, that when a female law professor at Penn complained to Ciolli about a disgusting thread about her on that site, the thread was gone shortly thereafter. Period. It wasn't magic. When it suited him, Mr. Ciolli could get things cleaned up on that site. Sadly, it rarely suited him.
http://leiterlawschool.typepad.com/leiter/2007/11/anthony-cioll-1.html#more
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#8873798) |
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Date: November 9th, 2007 12:31 PM Author: Startling Blue Friendly Grandma Piazza
PWNED
that last paragraph is pretty damning. i would like to see Anthony "I was just a powerless employee unable to convince the site's true owner to do anything despite my repeated requests!!!" Ciolli address how that one Penn Prof. got a defamatory thread about her taken down so quickly.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#8873808) |
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Date: November 9th, 2007 4:46 PM Author: confused trailer park incel
Jarret deleted the thread about Claire Finkelstein.
Hell, I don't even think I had the technical ability (let alone the legal authority) to edit/delete threads at that time. I certainly didn't at the time the Leiter fiasco happened in 2005.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#8874714) |
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Date: November 9th, 2007 6:20 PM Author: yellow offensive roommate
and how did "jarret" come to delete the thread?
you really have to stop assuming that others are as dense as you are.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#8875157) |
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Date: November 9th, 2007 12:33 PM Author: carnelian wild gaming laptop space
All 2 1/2 inches?
*braces for subpeona*
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#8873809) |
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Date: November 9th, 2007 12:39 PM Author: Black Multi-billionaire
You're glad he didn't remove the stuff that those poor girls begged him to? Why? Who was it helping to have that stuff up? I'm sure most of the defendants wanted those threads removed too, once they saw how serious things were getting.
I've just never understood GTO at all. I know he will remove things when it suits him, but I don't see why he *didn't* want to remove the stuff about the Yale girls.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#8873837) |
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Date: November 9th, 2007 6:39 PM Author: yellow offensive roommate
your job was in danger from the first day you were a summer associate and it became evident that you're just not very bright.
the market is working its magic, however, and you are drifting into the company of other middling performers on the LSAT
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#8875261) |
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Date: November 9th, 2007 4:56 PM Author: confused trailer park incel
Jarret Cohen and I are not the same person and did not have the same role at AutoAdmit. If you go through my inbox you will find numerous emails literally begging Jarret to delete threads for people and to institute moderators. Sometimes it worked, many times it didn't.
Honestly, one of my biggest regrets is ever trying to help people. For more than a year I didn't have the ability to delete threads, edit posts, or move anything between off and on topic--after all, my job was to run AutoAdmit Studies, and had absolutely nothing to do with the message board. But I couldn't stand racist threads remaining in the school-related section or defamatory posts about people that Jarret agreed to delete remaining up because Jarret was too lazy to login and actually delete them and begged Jarret to give me access so I could get those things done faster for him.
In retrospect that was probably one of the biggest mistakes of my life, since now people post things like "I don't understand why he didn't just remove the stuff. He obviously had the power to." in every thread or blog comments section about this lawsuit.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#8874756) |
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Date: November 9th, 2007 5:10 PM Author: confused trailer park incel
Jarret gave me permission to delete threads that violated the anti-outing policy. So, if sugarywitch's real name was posted, I already had his permission to get rid of it if someone told me about it. But I never had permission to delete anything else on my own, and I have never removed something for my friends without Jarret's permission. Believe me, if I had the authority to delete whatever I wanted, probably half the threads on this board would have been deleted on sight (not to mention threads like "Anthony Ciolli, with the help of child porn?, graduated in 2 yrs"; "I FARTED WHILE CIOLLI'S MOM WAS GIVING ME A BLOW JOB"; "Anthony Ciolli and Jaret Cohen are gay lovers").
I sent Jarret many emails and voicemails during the month of February begging him to take action regarding the T14 contest. He never responded to any of them until the last few days of February, at which point we had already passed the point of no return since Reputation Defender was involved and the WaPo reporter was working on her article.
But in Jarret's absence I did everything that I possibly could within legal and ethical bounds, most notably negotiating the voluntary shutdown of the T14 contest website (which no one had even complained about to me--Heide didn't send her first email about the contest until the day after the website was shut down). Even before the shutdown I tried to deter people from participating in the contest by posting many times on the board that Paulie Walnuts and the T14 contest organizers were engaging in copyright infringement (the very same argument the plaintiffs are now using in the current lawsuit).
I realize some people don't think that's enough. However I wish that you would at least acknowledge that getting the T14 contest website shut down before a single person complained about it is a pretty good sign that I was against what was going on and was doing everything in my power to make things right.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#8874810) |
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Date: November 9th, 2007 6:11 PM Author: floppy senate
pathetic.
A simple 'go fuck yourself' would have more than sufficed.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#8875120) |
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Date: November 9th, 2007 6:29 PM Author: yellow offensive roommate
"after all, my job was to run AutoAdmit Studies, and had absolutely nothing to do with the message board"
stick with that; it's been working well for you
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#8875210) |
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Date: November 9th, 2007 7:49 PM Author: Geriatric vigorous love of her life
I don't think anyone actually believes that.
Alternatively, see GTO's explanation.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#8875560) |
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Date: November 9th, 2007 7:56 PM Author: Black Multi-billionaire
I guess it just comes down to your word against other people's perceptions of you. From what I remember about the occurrence, it seemed very unlikely that you were acting on rach's orders. I remember you saying "just im me if you need anything else." and your action was almost instantaneous - the thread was removed before I could reply to the post asking that the thread be removed. Maybe rach is a superman and can respond to your requests instantaneously... who knows. Maybe you were acting under rach's commands but wanted to misrepresent yourself as the one who had the decision-making authority. In any case, you know how it looks.
There have been other allegations of favortism... I mention them everytime one of these threads comes up, so I'm sure you and everyone else who cares knows what I'm talking about.
Edit: Since that thread didn't out anyone, why did rach approve its deletion, and why did you submit the request to rach in the first place? If I gave you a list of 50 threads that I want deleted because I don't like the light they cast me in, would you immediately im rach and ask him to delete them?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#8875588) |
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Date: November 9th, 2007 8:12 PM Author: confused trailer park incel
If this is the thread I remember, Killuminati didn't just make the request on the board, he also IMed it to me, at which point I copy/pasted to rachmiel. It takes something like 10 seconds to copy/paste someone's IM and then wait for a "yes" or "no" answer from the recipient when you're both online and already in the middle of a conversation.
Look, I realize that some people have very strong perceptions about me, and no matter what I say or do some people are never going to believe me. But let me ask you this:
-- I became Chief Education Director in June 2004. If I was running this message board, why did I not even have the *technical* ability to delete threads until late 2005, or the ability to delete other people's individual posts within a thread until early 2007? What message board moderator do you know of that doesn't have the technical ability to, well, moderate? Given that, is it really a stretch for you to believe that maybe, just maybe, my job was to run AutoAdmit Studies and develop non-board content for AutoAdmit?
-- During the two weeks the T14 contest was running, I repeatedly told Paulie Walnuts, both on this board and over AIM, that he was potentially engaging in copyright infringement by running the contest the way he did. In fact, the plaintiffs are using this same theory of liability in their case against him right now. I also repeatedly criticized him for posting people's real names on the board, including people who I have absolutely no connection with whatsoever. Finally, I convinced him to shut down the T14 contest entirely, without ever receiving a single complaint about the T14 contest from anyone (friend or otherwise). Do these sound like the actions of someone who enjoyed the contest and wanted it to continue?
-- The very night the contest shut down, I pushed rachmiel to formally institute mods, and vocally advocated for people like NYCFan to remain mods. After Joe Jewell and others complained about censorship and threatened to retire, rachmiel backtracked and demodded everyone within 12 hours. I'd like to think that this incident alone should illustrate that rachmiel and I have very different philosophies on how this message board should operate, but I'm sure you'll find some convoluted way to explain how vocally supporting mods like NYCFan is consistent with wishing to promote defamation and character assassination.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#8875668) |
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Date: November 9th, 2007 9:07 PM Author: yellow offensive roommate
"I became Chief Education Director in June 2004"
there's still something hilarious about the way you have no awareness whatsoever how silly you appear with every reference to being "Chief Education Director"
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#8875917) |
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Date: November 9th, 2007 10:17 PM Author: Ruddy principal's office
dude its a great title, dont let anyone tell you different
-Chief Praise Officer
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#8876192) |
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Date: November 9th, 2007 10:29 PM Author: yellow offensive roommate
And you had no part in creating that title? It just existed, and then there was this big coronation ceremony, and at the end of it, there you were, named Chief Education Director?
I suggest you look back at some prior posts, where people pointed out the idiocy of this title, after you had dropped it a few times, and you feigned complete incomprehension of how it might convey that you are fake, insecure, or prone to self-aggrandizement.
You really are an amazingly stupid little fucker.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#8876234) |
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Date: November 9th, 2007 9:19 PM Author: yellow offensive roommate
"I became Chief Education Director in June 2004"
there's still something hilarious about the way you have no awareness whatsoever how silly you appear with every reference to being "Chief Education Director"
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#8875965) |
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Date: November 9th, 2007 4:42 PM Author: boyish area
Leiter can't seem to comprehend that Ciolli was under no legal obligation to remove anything, if in fact he had any such authority. Ciolli did nothing legally wrong; he was just an easy scapegoat because his name was known. The Plaintiffs had no legal basis to pursue Ciolli and they were wrong to do so.
Further, Ciolli has mentioned before that the requests the board received to remove threads were both rude and threatening. Why should anyone react favorably to that type of behavior?
Perhaps, this whole situation could have been avoided if those seeking favors exercised a little civility and good judgment.
Dropping Ciolli as a defendant was not only the just and appropriate action, it was a victory for the preservation of Section 230 (as is) and for all users of the Internet.
But, then again, I don't think Leiter gives a shit about the law, just his own distorted view of right and wrong.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#8874693)
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Date: November 9th, 2007 5:19 PM Author: boyish area
I don't know about the Phil Collins thing, but sometimes people are legally responsible for their omissions as well as their acts. Also, I don't think saving a life remotely equates to removing messages from a message board.
Even if these law students were "pissed off" at Cohen and Ciolli for making the site available to everyone to post whatever they desired, it doesn't make sense to be rude and threatening when asking for favors.
Many people learn before they get out of elementary school both how to control their anger, and that they can attract more bees with honey than with bile. Apparently, this little bit of wisdom escapes a few individuals.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#8874858) |
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Date: November 9th, 2007 5:33 PM Author: Aggressive exhilarant hissy fit lay
LOL so they should have asked nicely to remove the threads about them being raped?
wow. i am speechless.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#8874926) |
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Date: November 9th, 2007 6:50 PM Author: Aggressive exhilarant hissy fit lay
Their anger was directed at the people who owned the site and thus allowed threads to be posted about raping and stalking them. I am not sure why you can't understand why someone wouldn't exactly be "nice" when asking someone to take such a thread down.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#8875302)
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Date: November 9th, 2007 6:54 PM Author: Aggressive exhilarant hissy fit lay
I am not sure how you really think that, regardless of what someones legal obligations are, people should "ask nicely" to take a thread down about peoples graphic rape fantasies which feature them.
IRL people get pissed. If someone put up a thread about your 8 year old sister (if you had one) and you wanted them to take it down, despite the lack of a "legal" obligation, do you think you would be "polite" or "nice"?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#8875317)
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Date: November 9th, 2007 4:54 PM Author: maroon juggernaut internal respiration
"It drives me crazy to hear people trying to defend this guy, Ciolli. It’s not like he was some kind of innocent third party who just opened up a message board and was Shocked, Shocked to discover that the board turned into sexually harassing, threatening mob targeting female law students."
Shocked, Shocked XOXO meme? just how much time does leiter spend on this site.
Also, I don't really appreciate his blanket characterization of us all as racists and misogynists.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#8874749) |
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Date: November 9th, 2007 6:21 PM Author: rebellious free-loading legend
There's nothing improper in a blanket characterization that accurately reflects reality.
Hth.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#8875170) |
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Date: November 9th, 2007 6:25 PM Author: boyish area
HI LITER!
Funny you should say such a thing when you post here yourself.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#8875191) |
Date: November 9th, 2007 5:03 PM Author: passionate out-of-control mediation Subject: I forgot how funny the complaint is
26. In keeping with the sexual assault theme, a poster using the pseudonym “[DOE I] got a 157 LSAT,” claimed that DOE I had raped her co-plaintiff DOE II.
Then later...
The moniker “Patrick Bateman” is a reference to the fictional serial killer in the novel and film,
American Psycho. On information and belief, the use of this moniker was intended to cause
DOE II to feel physically threatened.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#8874785) |
Date: November 9th, 2007 5:06 PM Author: passionate out-of-control mediation
It's seriously fucked up that some people actually contacted Yale faculty and law firms linking to this shit. There are some real fucked up people on this board, which almost makes me wish I spent less time here.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#8874796) |
Date: November 9th, 2007 6:49 PM Author: yellow offensive roommate
though some of his antagonists are obviously douchebags, GTO is quite possibly the most deluded and slow-minded person i have ever seen deliberately insert himself into a circumstance that demands about twice the intellectual power that he possesses
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#8875301) |
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Date: November 9th, 2007 7:41 PM Author: Black Multi-billionaire
I'm not really interested in insulting GTO or continuing our years-long feud, but he's been saying some stuff that simply isn't true. I know of several instances in which *he* has deleted posts/threads, simply because someone he's friendly with emailed or imed him and asked him to do so. There was no consultation with rachmiel and no invocation of the anti-outting policy.
In light of this, I really just don't understand why he didn't just take the stuff down.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#8875511) |
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Date: November 9th, 2007 7:56 PM Author: confused trailer park incel
"There was no consultation with rachmiel and no invocation of the anti-outting policy."
Funny, because rachmiel says otherwise. I guess he must be a liar too, right?
Yes, you've hated me for years. Yes, I'm not exactly fond of you either. Yes, I know you're absolutely relishing the fact that I lost my dream job and am being slammed everywhere, and yes, I know you just can't resist kicking me when I'm down. We get it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#8875592) |
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Date: November 9th, 2007 8:01 PM Author: Black Multi-billionaire
I have purposely tried not to make any personal attacks at you on this thread. I don't hate you... look back at some of our fights. Who was the one making the accusations, posting personal information, insulting, attacking? My biggest complaint about you has always been that you use your position of power inappropriately and are an unfair moderator. I don't recall calling you crazy, saying you're ugly, telling people things (true and untrue) that you told me before we started fighting, etc. You've said/done some pretty inappropriate things to me on this board, so you shouldn't try to guilt trip me in any case.
I've never seen rach say that a)he took down that thread and b)that it violated the anti-outting policy.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#8875621) |
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Date: November 9th, 2007 8:02 PM Author: yellow offensive roommate
actually, i don't get it yet. could we have a few more posts kicking you when you're down?
dream job? just like you went to your dream law school? and attended your dream extension school?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#8875627) |
Date: November 9th, 2007 7:57 PM Author: boyish area
fuck why isnt hizzla in this suit? fat ass deserves to get sued. if not only to help her sweat off the pounds
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#8875597) |
Date: November 9th, 2007 8:10 PM Author: up-to-no-good hospital striped hyena
so will GTO do anything about the frivolous law suit?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#8875660) |
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Date: March 5th, 2008 2:44 PM Author: dark crackhouse
Yes.
I suppose THAT case is over...
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#9433236) |
Date: November 9th, 2007 9:29 PM Author: sadistic abode
I still feel bad for Ciolli/GTO. I don't think he deserves the shit that's happened to him. This board was founded on the principle of zero censorship. It's good that he's at least not being sued anymore.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#8876011) |
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Date: November 9th, 2007 10:39 PM Author: yellow offensive roommate
as he indicates above, multiple times, he had nothing to do with the message board; he was the head of "auto admit studies," by title the Chief Education Officer. likewise, he never endorsed a no-censorship policy. in fact, he frequently advocated censorship, but was completely ignored -- at least in those instances that ended up being problematic for him. in other instances, he was entirely able to see that posts were deleted, despite lacking the technological ability or "legal authority" to do so. he lost his "dream job" because everyone else fails to comprehend the history of this message board with the precision and nuance that he does. now, eight months after the fact, here he is providing what is essentially. an extended and annotated resume and interview, for all law firms to see, not just the middling one that revoked his offer. when they do a search, as they invariably will, i'm sure they will be impressed with what they see and enter the bidding ware to hire "GTO." his reasoning ability and social skills both make him a rare asset for any firm.
i hope he hasn't spent too much time coming up with that idiotic story, because it didn't feel very credible as i was reciting it there.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#8876257) |
Date: November 9th, 2007 9:59 PM Author: Khaki fortuitous meteor
Ciolli good luck with the job hunt, loser fucker.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#8876119) |
Date: November 9th, 2007 10:22 PM Author: abusive international law enforcement agency chad
Ciolli, I need a copilot for my next run to Clam Lake. You in? $2500 and all the Inuits you can fit in the back of the rig on the way back to the states.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#8876209) |
Date: November 9th, 2007 10:43 PM Author: yellow offensive roommate
"but I'm sure you'll find some convoluted way to explain how vocally supporting mods like NYCFan is consistent with wishing to promote defamation and character assassination"
precisely; it promotes character assassination because it is impossible to let the moment pass without noting that NYCFan is the somewhat older, somewhat more pathetic version of you. does he humor you and pretend you actually went to harvard, too?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#8876272) |
Date: November 10th, 2007 12:01 AM Author: Nubile spot
I don't go so far back with this board, but I'm a little torn here: I do sympathize with what's happened to GTO, but Platitude Jonze is such a marvelous writer, even when he's being mean.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#8876469) |
Date: November 10th, 2007 12:39 AM Author: Hairraiser reading party
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#8876555) |
Date: January 26th, 2008 3:05 PM Author: Hairraiser reading party
Leiter's post here really was vindictive.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#9224649) |
Date: March 5th, 2008 2:35 PM Author: Flirting pistol school
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#9433200) |
Date: March 5th, 2008 2:39 PM Author: passionate out-of-control mediation
Oh shit, add Leiter to the suit. IF GTO never had the power to delete posts, Leiter shouldn't be writing that shit.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=714475&forum_id=2#9433215) |
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