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Ppl say biglaw is "Soul-crushing" - what does this mean?

What do they mean by soul-crushing? LIke, in practical effe...
Fuchsia High-end Plaza
  04/28/13
Yeah, it's weird, but you can actually feel what little life...
Irradiated sick codepig gaping
  04/28/13
Depressing. Not being able to feel good even when not workin...
Cerebral Metal Lettuce
  04/28/13
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  04/28/13
You know that feeling when you're seven years old and you're...
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  04/28/13
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Hairraiser Orange Stage
  04/28/13
what about the camraderie? the feeling of winning a motion?...
Fuchsia High-end Plaza
  04/29/13
Lolol. Don't forget intellectually stimulating work.
Cerebral Metal Lettuce
  04/29/13
lulz
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Camraderie like when you were in a ditch with a bunch of oth...
Irradiated sick codepig gaping
  04/29/13
dude you're changing commas around. Even if you're lit, the ...
Harsh faggotry stage
  04/29/13
Titcr
Emerald native
  04/29/13
almost like a law firm is somehow dependent on fees to survi...
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  04/29/13
sounds almost like a job or something. where you have to go ...
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  04/29/13
(2l desperately convincing self that he's actually going to ...
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  04/29/13
(courageous lawyer)
fluffy digit ratio menage
  04/30/13
A feeling of perpetual numbness where you just know your sou...
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  04/29/13
but why does it make you less creative and funny? what is t...
Fuchsia High-end Plaza
  04/29/13
Long hours, high stress, surrounded by other soulless dron...
flickering gay wizard preventive strike
  04/29/13
what you do has very little to no meaning or value
Hairraiser Orange Stage
  04/29/13
The whole "soul crushing" thing is a little melodr...
jade talented brunch
  04/29/13
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Hairraiser Orange Stage
  04/29/13
Just keep refreshing Mint.com. That next paycheck is coming...
Irradiated sick codepig gaping
  04/29/13
Thread didn't really depress me that much until this one. I...
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  04/29/13
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Gay bearded spot
  04/29/13
You can see your whole life spread out in front of you, divi...
Emerald native
  04/29/13
already underrated
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  04/29/13
Thank you brother.
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This really is the 1-99 bands.
Vermilion Seedy Area Liquid Oxygen
  04/29/13
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Emerald native
  04/29/13
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  04/29/13
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How can it crush that which there is not to crush?
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it sucks because if every associate collectively agreed that...
Harsh faggotry stage
  04/29/13
So you're saying we need a union.
Emerald native
  04/29/13
what if all chill fratty xoxoers somehow concocted some way ...
Sable multi-colored gas station
  04/29/13
we'd just all be fired. there's always more lemmings who wil...
Harsh faggotry stage
  04/29/13
This is the greatest problem we face.
Lemon elite lodge giraffe
  04/29/13
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If you went into the biglaw rather than doing something more...
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  04/29/13
180
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  04/29/13
What a bunch of babies. Have you ever had to cashier at a bu...
shaky whorehouse
  04/29/13
No one said it was the worst job out there. Most jobs are de...
flickering gay wizard preventive strike
  04/29/13
Forbes says it's the worst job in America. http://aboveth...
Pale Stirring Ratface
  04/29/13
unhappiest doesn't mean worst. someone's subjective feelings...
scarlet temple
  04/30/13
Lol, nice flame.
Vermilion Seedy Area Liquid Oxygen
  04/29/13
Retail is tough, and yes, I've worked 12 hour days on my fee...
Emerald native
  04/29/13
So, retail for $8/hr beats biglaw for $80/hr? I don't buy i...
Irradiated sick codepig gaping
  04/29/13
Obviously the only reason anyone does biglaw is for the mone...
Emerald native
  04/29/13
Very few people do biglaw for more than a few years. If we ...
Irradiated sick codepig gaping
  04/29/13
Right. So, as with retail, we can agree that those 3 years a...
Lemon elite lodge giraffe
  04/29/13
It's pretty soul crushing. I'm still glad I'm getting $80/h...
Irradiated sick codepig gaping
  04/29/13
That's nothing. Try hanging off the back of a truck pickin...
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  04/29/13
underrated
Emerald native
  05/03/13
this is why it IS soul-crushing you know it shouldn't be, y...
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  04/29/13
i wouldn't call it soul-crushing based on my experience, but...
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  04/29/13
It's mostly the long hours with real or manufactured stress,...
Adventurous casino mother
  04/29/13
the worst part are the co workers who actually do enjoy it.
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  04/29/13
i was at an alumni event where i was talking to an associate...
frisky hominid garrison
  04/29/13
I actually messaged a girl on okcupid the other day who is a...
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  04/30/13
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  04/29/13
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  04/29/13
Accomplish nothing? What about solving your clients' bigges...
Fuchsia High-end Plaza
  04/29/13
*hands client 6-figure bill and half a baby* *waits for exp...
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  04/29/13
1. the work is tedious. biglaw is 99% organizational bullshi...
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Date: April 28th, 2013 11:51 PM
Author: Fuchsia High-end Plaza

What do they mean by soul-crushing? LIke, in practical effects and feelings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23097787)



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Date: April 28th, 2013 11:52 PM
Author: Irradiated sick codepig gaping

Yeah, it's weird, but you can actually feel what little life you have left inside you getting sucked out. Physically feel it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23097794)



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Date: April 28th, 2013 11:52 PM
Author: Cerebral Metal Lettuce

Depressing. Not being able to feel good even when not working because works sucks the life out of you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23097796)



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Date: April 28th, 2013 11:53 PM
Author: umber mood state



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23097800)



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Date: April 28th, 2013 11:55 PM
Author: Vermilion Seedy Area Liquid Oxygen

You know that feeling when you're seven years old and you're pedaling to the bottom of the hill and you hit the jump and then fly through the air and everything kind of pauses and you know that this is the greatest moment of your life.

The opposite.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23097810)



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Date: April 28th, 2013 11:59 PM
Author: Hairraiser Orange Stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23097829)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 12:02 AM
Author: Fuchsia High-end Plaza

what about the camraderie? the feeling of winning a motion? a case?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23097847)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 12:03 AM
Author: Cerebral Metal Lettuce

Lolol. Don't forget intellectually stimulating work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23097854)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 12:06 AM
Author: Alcoholic quadroon cruise ship

lulz

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23097878)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 12:12 AM
Author: Irradiated sick codepig gaping

Camraderie like when you were in a ditch with a bunch of other chill bros in Nam, and the napalm drop went a little astray?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23097911)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 12:29 AM
Author: Harsh faggotry stage

dude you're changing commas around. Even if you're lit, the cases drag on for decades. There's no dramatic moment where everyone cheers. It's more like, "Finally...well, on to the next one"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23097998)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 12:30 AM
Author: Emerald native

Titcr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23098005)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 6:38 AM
Author: Vigorous Theater Mexican

almost like a law firm is somehow dependent on fees to survive or something...so weird! why cannot law be like obama's america, where we just get checks for existing? SOUL CRUSHING!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23098751)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 12:07 PM
Author: fluffy digit ratio menage

sounds almost like a job or something. where you have to go to work and do work, and it's not what you'd choose to do if you could literally choose whatever you wanted. man, i don't know how you lawyers do it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23099557)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 7:37 PM
Author: slate concupiscible site cumskin

(2l desperately convincing self that he's actually going to LOVE biglaw)

he's answering a question, not making the case that the job sucks precisely because there are no cheer moments.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23102425)



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Date: April 30th, 2013 10:31 AM
Author: fluffy digit ratio menage

(courageous lawyer)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23106276)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 12:03 AM
Author: flickering gay wizard preventive strike

A feeling of perpetual numbness where you just know your soul is dying. You become less creative, less funny, stop caring about anything except your next paycheck and eventually become everything you once hated. And the worst thing is that you stop seeing a way out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23097852)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 12:04 AM
Author: Fuchsia High-end Plaza

but why does it make you less creative and funny? what is the mechanism? just working long hours?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23097869)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 12:09 AM
Author: flickering gay wizard preventive strike

Long hours, high stress, surrounded by other soulless drones, dull work that is mostly nit picking small minutia. Also the hours generally result in you having little social interaction outside of work. It all adds up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23097891)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 12:10 AM
Author: Hairraiser Orange Stage

what you do has very little to no meaning or value

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23097905)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 12:14 AM
Author: jade talented brunch

The whole "soul crushing" thing is a little melodramatic.

However, when you are at work 12+ hours a day, when you have to check your Blackberry every 30 minutes when you're home or when you have some free time on the weekend, when you have to pull all nighters, and bill 2,000 hours a year, you just become tired and distracted by your work and Blackberry. You become less interesting because 80 percent of your life is spent at work. Even when you're with other people, you're more distracted than you used to be (at least I was) and not really focusing as well on the moment.

When I went in-house, I realized that it's actually nice to talk to co-workers during the day. At the firm, nobody likes chatting because they're all thinking how they'll have to stay later that evening to make up for wasted time. When you're in-house you don't care. I can actually go lunch now and I don't care how long it takes; I can even take aimless walks during the day for a break. I can blow off an afternoon and surf on the internet, and it doesn't matter because nobody accounts for my time.

The law firm mentality and the 2,000+ billable hour year are really just not suited for normal people, if you ask me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23097923)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 12:17 AM
Author: Hairraiser Orange Stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23097940)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 12:13 AM
Author: Irradiated sick codepig gaping

Just keep refreshing Mint.com. That next paycheck is coming soon.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23097916)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 12:19 AM
Author: Alcoholic quadroon cruise ship

Thread didn't really depress me that much until this one. I look at Mint way too much.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23097948)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 10:07 PM
Author: Gay bearded spot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23103550)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 12:27 AM
Author: Emerald native

You can see your whole life spread out in front of you, divided into .1s of an hour. None of it resonating in any meaningful way. You see your death, your funeral. Being remembered by your colleagues at a firm lunch, or perhaps a mass email.

If you did good, "One of the firm's stalwarts passed away this morning. Greg Stachkin joined the firm in 2009 and was elevated to shareholder in 2017. Greg enhanced our oil and gas practice, growing it from a small three attorney section to over ten attorneys in four offices by last year. He leaves behind his wife Mabel, their beloved pool boy Ramon, and three children, none of whom can make it to the funeral due to prior commitments."

If you were shitty, "A valued member of our community, Bob Lablat, passed away this weekend. Bob was always quick with a joke and never hesitated to pitch in when needed. In lieu of flowers, Bob's family has asked for donations to the Of Counsel Rescue League, which seeks to raise awareness of the epidemic of elderly Of Counsels being euthanized. Donuts will be available on 26 in honor of Bob's memory."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23097993)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 12:30 AM
Author: mentally impaired bateful sanctuary fat ankles

already underrated

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23098008)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 1:08 PM
Author: Emerald native

Thank you brother.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23099858)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 12:40 AM
Author: Hairraiser Orange Stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23098052)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 12:51 AM
Author: Blue elastic band friendly grandma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23098089)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 1:05 AM
Author: burgundy vivacious library

wow

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23098138)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 6:50 AM
Author: flickering gay wizard preventive strike



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23098761)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 7:17 AM
Author: Dashing nursing home striped hyena

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23098774)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 9:03 AM
Author: ultramarine swashbuckling property



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23098863)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 9:17 AM
Author: Vermilion Seedy Area Liquid Oxygen

This really is the 1-99 bands.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23098902)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 9:29 AM
Author: Emerald native

?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23098925)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 9:59 AM
Author: light vibrant windowlicker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23098996)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 11:03 AM
Author: Lemon elite lodge giraffe

Well said!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23099202)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 11:17 AM
Author: Exhilarant Crystalline Public Bath Athletic Conference

omigosh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23099286)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 12:12 PM
Author: Beady-eyed chocolate selfie tank



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23099571)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 12:14 PM
Author: boyish resort knife



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23099577)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 12:35 PM
Author: Plum pozpig

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23099673)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 4:48 PM
Author: Laughsome Trust Fund



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23101306)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 9:51 PM
Author: ungodly business firm internal respiration

180^180^180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23103447)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 10:02 PM
Author: Fantasy-prone international law enforcement agency roommate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23103518)



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Date: April 30th, 2013 10:29 AM
Author: chrome toilet seat corner



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Date: April 30th, 2013 10:57 AM
Author: arousing tantric sweet tailpipe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23106377)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 12:32 AM
Author: bisexual ticket booth

How can it crush that which there is not to crush?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23098018)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 12:32 AM
Author: Harsh faggotry stage

it sucks because if every associate collectively agreed that "fuck that, I'll bill 1800-2000 hours and no more" it'd be a pretty normal, if decently busy job. Instead you have fucking backstabbing strivers who will do anything to bill as much as possible and brownnose and casually mention how you did something wrong innocently and jesus, just fuck all big law people!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23098020)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 12:48 AM
Author: Emerald native

So you're saying we need a union.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23098080)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 12:53 AM
Author: Sable multi-colored gas station

what if all chill fratty xoxoers somehow concocted some way for all of them to work at the same firm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23098100)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 1:00 AM
Author: Harsh faggotry stage

we'd just all be fired. there's always more lemmings who will come in and work more for less. I actually don't understand why salaries are as high as they are

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23098123)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 11:03 AM
Author: Lemon elite lodge giraffe

This is the greatest problem we face.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23099206)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 10:46 AM
Author: marvelous stag film associate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23099136)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 12:57 AM
Author: impressive cowardly fanboi

If you went into the biglaw rather than doing something more interesting with your life, that's a pretty good indication that your soul was pretty frail to begin with, and was going to be crushed by something sooner or later. I'm saying this as a biglawyer, so I don't mean it in a bad way -- just as an observation.

Anyway, the point is that biglaw isn't really particularly soul-crushing, but biglawyers are desperate to have their souls crushed by conforming to the biglaw shtick, but at the same time don't like to think of themselves as striver conformists. So naturally, they begin to feel like somehow biglaw is particularly soul-crushing, and they somehow fell into this fate unwittingly, even though this is sort of exactly what they were looking for.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23098112)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 9:55 PM
Author: ungodly business firm internal respiration

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23103478)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 6:20 AM
Author: shaky whorehouse

What a bunch of babies. Have you ever had to cashier at a busy grocery store? Or stock shelves for TEN FUCKING HOURS straight? Or deal with elderly coupon fanatics? Now that is soul-crushing. Working in a prestigious law firm is one of the best jobs in the world. You don't know how lucky you are.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23098736)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 6:53 AM
Author: flickering gay wizard preventive strike

No one said it was the worst job out there. Most jobs are depressing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23098765)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 9:15 AM
Author: Pale Stirring Ratface

Forbes says it's the worst job in America.

http://abovethelaw.com/2013/03/unhappiest-job-in-america-take-a-guess/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23098898)



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Date: April 30th, 2013 11:59 AM
Author: scarlet temple

unhappiest doesn't mean worst. someone's subjective feelings about his job are much different than the objective truth about how good or bad it is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23106619)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 9:19 AM
Author: Vermilion Seedy Area Liquid Oxygen

Lol, nice flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23098906)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 10:48 AM
Author: Emerald native

Retail is tough, and yes, I've worked 12 hour days on my feet. Your bones ache but you wake up refreshed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23099142)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 10:53 AM
Author: Irradiated sick codepig gaping

So, retail for $8/hr beats biglaw for $80/hr? I don't buy it. I think lawyers just tend to be miserable people to begin with.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23099156)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 10:55 AM
Author: Emerald native

Obviously the only reason anyone does biglaw is for the money, but that is a fake comparison. No one does retail their whole life, or at least not stocking shelves. You do that for a few years then move up to another level. Also, it's people in jobs like that their job is not their main focus in life. They belong to softball leagues, they are active in their kids' lives, they have hobbies. The average biglawyer has none of that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23099170)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 10:59 AM
Author: Irradiated sick codepig gaping

Very few people do biglaw for more than a few years. If we were really stuck doing it for 25 years, I would agree.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23099187)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 11:05 AM
Author: Lemon elite lodge giraffe

Right. So, as with retail, we can agree that those 3 years are pretty soul crushing, right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23099216)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 12:00 PM
Author: Irradiated sick codepig gaping

It's pretty soul crushing. I'm still glad I'm getting $80/hr though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23099528)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 1:19 PM
Author: titillating ivory patrolman old irish cottage

That's nothing. Try hanging off the back of a truck picking up pieces of broken glass off the street with your bare ass cheeks, then you can complain.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23099942)



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Date: May 3rd, 2013 5:49 PM
Author: Emerald native

underrated

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23128547)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 7:42 PM
Author: charismatic sneaky criminal

this is why it IS soul-crushing

you know it shouldn't be, you know you make excellent money compared to the poors, and still things suck so badly you question whether or not it is worth it

at least after you get your debt paid off

or save enough for a down payment

or build up the retirement enough

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23102465)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 12:19 PM
Author: frisky hominid garrison

i wouldn't call it soul-crushing based on my experience, but the constant being on call and checking your blackberry last thing at night and first thing in the morning, even when on vacation, makes you just a distracted person. it's always normal to be at dinner w/ a bunch of lawyers with their blackberries out to monitor if the red light goes off and once you leave biglaw, you realize how absolutely ridiculous it is to live your life that way.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23099590)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 12:47 PM
Author: Adventurous casino mother

It's mostly the long hours with real or manufactured stress, constantly being on-call and never feeling that you're away from work, and the lack of meaningful work or sense of accomplishment (unless you live for the approval of partners). I hate coming to work every morning, and most of my coworkers do too. Even if you're slow, you don't enjoy it because you're worried about being slow. Often, when you come to work in the morning, you don't know when you're going to leave that night. None of it is all that terrible, but after years of living this way, I'm a much more miserable, irritated person, and even small everyday things like going to the cleaners or getting a haircut become annoying impositions that cut into billable time.

The culture of most firms is shit, too. Everyone is status-obsessed and want to play like we're big important lawyers, better than the firm just behind us in whatever ranking and just as good as those ahead of us. Many people ended up in biglaw by following the striver path of least resistance and the resulting unhappiness pervades your interaction with coworkers. Somehow, everyone becomes a biglaw drone and any personality quirks or creativity is slowly ground out of you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23099747)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 1:20 PM
Author: grizzly parlour

the worst part are the co workers who actually do enjoy it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23099948)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 6:02 PM
Author: frisky hominid garrison

i was at an alumni event where i was talking to an associate at a prestigious sweatshop. when i found out where he worked, i jokingly said "my sincerest apologies" and he launched into this speech about how he loves the work and doesn't mind the hours. it's people like him that make biglaw intolerable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23101828)



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Date: April 30th, 2013 12:08 PM
Author: Irradiated sick codepig gaping

I actually messaged a girl on okcupid the other day who is an associate at kirkland. When I asked her name, she responded by sending a link to her kirkland profile. No joke.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23106659)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 4:37 PM
Author: pea-brained doctorate

Date: June 30th, 2010 2:36 AM

Author: joyshtick

Well, imagine you're puking, but all of a sudden you puke and instead of vomit and puke and pukevomit and bullshitpukevomit coming out your partner exits your stomach through your throat and starts talking to you. He says to you, "There are laws you can find in the library and cases you can find in Westlaw and firm guidelines you can find in the handbook and social guidelines you can ask your mother about, but there's nobody who can tell you whether you should actually work here or do something else, or what that something else might be, whether you'll be happy or sad, free or unfree, actualized or repressed, and above all nobody can tell you whether you'll be doing the right thing. In addition, there is a proliferation of meaningless signs all around you that scream with a thousand dead voices and you can't even tell whether it's in a language you've never learned or no language at all. You are unable even to tell whether the world is sensible or methodical and whether there is a purpose." Then he splatters all over the ground in front of you and you start puking your guts out again, and yet you still have to go to work tomorrow and bill as though nothing had ever happened.

http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1353631&forum_id=2#15381589

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23101214)



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Date: April 30th, 2013 10:35 AM
Author: chrome toilet seat corner

Classic

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23106303)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 6:24 PM
Author: avocado rigor

Your entire life is a job where you accomplish nothing and people yell at you at random intervals that are entirely outside of your control. I have worked at a normal job. No, this is not what a normal job is like.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23102015)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 10:03 PM
Author: Fuchsia High-end Plaza

Accomplish nothing? What about solving your clients' biggest problems? Resolving cases to their satisfaction?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23103520)



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Date: April 30th, 2013 10:54 AM
Author: poppy french keepsake machete locale

*hands client 6-figure bill and half a baby*

*waits for expression of "satisfaction"*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23106367)



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Date: April 30th, 2013 12:05 PM
Author: marvelous stag film associate

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23106642)



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Date: April 30th, 2013 10:55 AM
Author: slimy confused azn idiot

lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23106370)



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Date: April 29th, 2013 10:11 PM
Author: Fuchsia High-end Plaza



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23103572)



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Date: May 3rd, 2013 5:58 PM
Author: Exciting nudist prole

1. the work is tedious. biglaw is 99% organizational bullshit and useless nitpicking over shit that really doesn't matter.

2. the people are awful. more awful than you can imagine.

3. it's thankless.

4. unless you're a true introvert, it's lonely and antisocial.

5. it destroys your personal life.

6. you lose sight of any way out and quickly become addicted to the money.

7. you build no relevant skills for anything but less lucrative versions of similar work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23128593)