Ppl say biglaw is "Soul-crushing" - what does this mean?
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Date: April 28th, 2013 11:55 PM Author: Vermilion Seedy Area Liquid Oxygen
You know that feeling when you're seven years old and you're pedaling to the bottom of the hill and you hit the jump and then fly through the air and everything kind of pauses and you know that this is the greatest moment of your life.
The opposite.
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Date: April 29th, 2013 12:14 AM Author: jade talented brunch
The whole "soul crushing" thing is a little melodramatic.
However, when you are at work 12+ hours a day, when you have to check your Blackberry every 30 minutes when you're home or when you have some free time on the weekend, when you have to pull all nighters, and bill 2,000 hours a year, you just become tired and distracted by your work and Blackberry. You become less interesting because 80 percent of your life is spent at work. Even when you're with other people, you're more distracted than you used to be (at least I was) and not really focusing as well on the moment.
When I went in-house, I realized that it's actually nice to talk to co-workers during the day. At the firm, nobody likes chatting because they're all thinking how they'll have to stay later that evening to make up for wasted time. When you're in-house you don't care. I can actually go lunch now and I don't care how long it takes; I can even take aimless walks during the day for a break. I can blow off an afternoon and surf on the internet, and it doesn't matter because nobody accounts for my time.
The law firm mentality and the 2,000+ billable hour year are really just not suited for normal people, if you ask me.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23097923) |
Date: April 29th, 2013 12:27 AM Author: Emerald native
You can see your whole life spread out in front of you, divided into .1s of an hour. None of it resonating in any meaningful way. You see your death, your funeral. Being remembered by your colleagues at a firm lunch, or perhaps a mass email.
If you did good, "One of the firm's stalwarts passed away this morning. Greg Stachkin joined the firm in 2009 and was elevated to shareholder in 2017. Greg enhanced our oil and gas practice, growing it from a small three attorney section to over ten attorneys in four offices by last year. He leaves behind his wife Mabel, their beloved pool boy Ramon, and three children, none of whom can make it to the funeral due to prior commitments."
If you were shitty, "A valued member of our community, Bob Lablat, passed away this weekend. Bob was always quick with a joke and never hesitated to pitch in when needed. In lieu of flowers, Bob's family has asked for donations to the Of Counsel Rescue League, which seeks to raise awareness of the epidemic of elderly Of Counsels being euthanized. Donuts will be available on 26 in honor of Bob's memory."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23097993) |
Date: April 29th, 2013 12:57 AM Author: impressive cowardly fanboi
If you went into the biglaw rather than doing something more interesting with your life, that's a pretty good indication that your soul was pretty frail to begin with, and was going to be crushed by something sooner or later. I'm saying this as a biglawyer, so I don't mean it in a bad way -- just as an observation.
Anyway, the point is that biglaw isn't really particularly soul-crushing, but biglawyers are desperate to have their souls crushed by conforming to the biglaw shtick, but at the same time don't like to think of themselves as striver conformists. So naturally, they begin to feel like somehow biglaw is particularly soul-crushing, and they somehow fell into this fate unwittingly, even though this is sort of exactly what they were looking for.
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Date: April 29th, 2013 7:42 PM Author: charismatic sneaky criminal
this is why it IS soul-crushing
you know it shouldn't be, you know you make excellent money compared to the poors, and still things suck so badly you question whether or not it is worth it
at least after you get your debt paid off
or save enough for a down payment
or build up the retirement enough
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Date: April 29th, 2013 12:47 PM Author: Adventurous casino mother
It's mostly the long hours with real or manufactured stress, constantly being on-call and never feeling that you're away from work, and the lack of meaningful work or sense of accomplishment (unless you live for the approval of partners). I hate coming to work every morning, and most of my coworkers do too. Even if you're slow, you don't enjoy it because you're worried about being slow. Often, when you come to work in the morning, you don't know when you're going to leave that night. None of it is all that terrible, but after years of living this way, I'm a much more miserable, irritated person, and even small everyday things like going to the cleaners or getting a haircut become annoying impositions that cut into billable time.
The culture of most firms is shit, too. Everyone is status-obsessed and want to play like we're big important lawyers, better than the firm just behind us in whatever ranking and just as good as those ahead of us. Many people ended up in biglaw by following the striver path of least resistance and the resulting unhappiness pervades your interaction with coworkers. Somehow, everyone becomes a biglaw drone and any personality quirks or creativity is slowly ground out of you.
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Date: April 29th, 2013 4:37 PM Author: pea-brained doctorate
Date: June 30th, 2010 2:36 AM
Author: joyshtick
Well, imagine you're puking, but all of a sudden you puke and instead of vomit and puke and pukevomit and bullshitpukevomit coming out your partner exits your stomach through your throat and starts talking to you. He says to you, "There are laws you can find in the library and cases you can find in Westlaw and firm guidelines you can find in the handbook and social guidelines you can ask your mother about, but there's nobody who can tell you whether you should actually work here or do something else, or what that something else might be, whether you'll be happy or sad, free or unfree, actualized or repressed, and above all nobody can tell you whether you'll be doing the right thing. In addition, there is a proliferation of meaningless signs all around you that scream with a thousand dead voices and you can't even tell whether it's in a language you've never learned or no language at all. You are unable even to tell whether the world is sensible or methodical and whether there is a purpose." Then he splatters all over the ground in front of you and you start puking your guts out again, and yet you still have to go to work tomorrow and bill as though nothing had ever happened.
http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1353631&forum_id=2#15381589
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Date: May 3rd, 2013 5:58 PM Author: Exciting nudist prole
1. the work is tedious. biglaw is 99% organizational bullshit and useless nitpicking over shit that really doesn't matter.
2. the people are awful. more awful than you can imagine.
3. it's thankless.
4. unless you're a true introvert, it's lonely and antisocial.
5. it destroys your personal life.
6. you lose sight of any way out and quickly become addicted to the money.
7. you build no relevant skills for anything but less lucrative versions of similar work.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2242594&forum_id=2#23128593) |
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