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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:24 AM Author: Twinkling abode ... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298597) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:25 AM Author: Trip Dead Church Sex Offender how hot is patent law right now? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298612) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:26 AM Author: Twinkling abode pretty hot...tho I'm not a patent lawyer, although I can say our patent group has grown by over 100% in the last 1.5 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298623) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:30 AM Author: lascivious elastic band set do patent bros really care about undergrad major as much as they claim to do, or is it more about just having the reg # (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298675) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:36 AM Author: Twinkling abode at least at my company, almost all of our patent lawyers have a hard technical background, i.e., ee, cs...and most have undergrad and advanced degrees in these fields. so, i would say that they actually put a heavy premium on this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298759) |
Date: March 26th, 2012 12:25 AM Author: floppy box office does it make you upset that the employees at the tech company are innovating and actually producing products/services of value, yet all you do is push paper all day? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298609) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:27 AM Author: Twinkling abode i wouldn't necessarily say upset. but sometimes i do envy the engineers at the company. some legal groups have noted the tension between lawyers and engineers, but i haven't really experienced it myself. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298635) |
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Date: March 27th, 2012 7:39 AM Author: Exciting property striped hyena Engineering: "We developed a disruptive communications system that beams information directly into the brain at Terahertz bandwidth. It also has the added benefit of increasing life expectancy by 100 years."
Legal: "You can't proceed with this until we get certification from the FCC and FDA. You also need to get explicit consent from each party for privacy concerns and copyright protection" |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:28 AM Author: Twinkling abode yep...a little over a year now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298644) |
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she's a teacher. |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:26 AM Author: Cordovan people who are hurt Which season of Friday Night Lights is your favorite? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298617) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:28 AM Author: Twinkling abode never watched it on the regular. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298647) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:26 AM Author: Razzle Pale Locus how big is the department / what kind of lawyers does it hire / what salaries do people earn / how long do people stay / what do you do (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298621) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:34 AM Author: Twinkling abode internationally, entire legal dept is over 400...prob half attorneys. We hire all kinds of attorneys, though i would say primarily, patent lit, ip transactional, corporate and employment.
Salaries are somewhat of a mystery, at least within the legal dept. definitely different than in a firm where you know basically what everyone else makes. For me, compensation is actually not that far off from my level at biglaw (considering my comp now is salary, annual bonus and equity). I left after 3.5 years. I do general ip transactional/licensing work. |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:40 AM Author: Razzle Pale Locus what do the corporate guys do? do lawyers stay at the company for a long time? do people come in from all over the country, or is it mostly people who've been working in the area? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298802) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:55 AM Author: Twinkling abode corporate primarily do m&a. however, they also do "general commercial" work, which is tied to certain products. this can include agreements with vendors, licensing for the products, etc.
lawyers here seem to stay for a while. those that have gone have left for other large tech companies (some have left and come back).
people do come from all over the country, as well as internationally. i relocated to the bay to work for the company. |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:44 AM Author: Vigorous Tantric Patrolman equity? do you just means stocks?
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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:46 AM Author: Twinkling abode yeah...we get a certain # of stock grants per year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298876) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:29 AM Author: Angry School Mother what was your law experience prior to going in house
best practice area to get inhouse gig at corp? |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:41 AM Author: Twinkling abode i had 3.5 years in m&a/ip transactions. those groups are pretty solid if you want to go in house at a tech company, plus patent lit obviously.
But if you want to go in house at any corp, i would say corp, tax, employment and regulatory are pretty solid practice areas. i was surprised to see the number of govt lawyers at our company, though these ppl held pretty high offices in their respective govt agency. |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:32 AM Author: Razzle Pale Locus do you know of people with experience in other corporate areas (like capital markets/corporate finance)? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20299277) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:30 AM Author: histrionic boltzmann kitty How much does law school matter for prospective hires? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298672) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:43 AM Author: Twinkling abode matters less the farther out you get from school. however, i would say that the vast majority of attorneys here are from t14 (and of these high # from stanford, harvard, NU and boalt). however, school is not determinative. one of the most respected atty's in our department came from santa clara u. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298835) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:30 AM Author: razzmatazz cruise ship how much do you spend on groceries per month (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298676) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:43 AM Author: Twinkling abode no. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298842) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:44 AM Author: razzmatazz cruise ship answer my grocery bill question (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298850) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:45 AM Author: Twinkling abode see below (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298860) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:50 PM Author: Aphrodisiac theater What's the deal--Does she not like to? You're not into it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20303299) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:44 AM Author: Twinkling abode not a ridic amount. between my wife and i probably around $80-100 per week, and we eat a lot of meals at home. buy most of our groceries at farmers markets...one of the pluses of living in the bay. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298855) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:46 AM Author: razzmatazz cruise ship break out your monthly income net of tax and expenses and debt payments (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298875) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:51 AM Author: Twinkling abode take in around 8.5k after taxes and 401k. rent is about $2400. other misc expenses are about $1600. i will finish my loans in the next 6 mos. I have about 20K left and i generally pay around $3k per month towards the loans. no other debt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298923) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:54 AM Author: razzmatazz cruise ship your takehome is 8500? how is that possible, do you make $200K a year? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298958) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:55 AM Author: Twinkling abode yes, around there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298968) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:56 AM Author: razzmatazz cruise ship how many years out of law school are you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298972) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:59 AM Author: Twinkling abode i would be a 5th year if i stayed at my firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20299000) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:00 AM Author: razzmatazz cruise ship so, as in house counsel, you basically make the same salary as a 5th year biglaw associate? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20299005) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:10 AM Author: Twinkling abode more or less yes. though law firm comp is on a much steeper curve as you continue to progress. it is much flatter here, i.e., i don't foresee any huge increases in salary in the next few years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20299100) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:21 AM Author: gaped rehab how much do law school grades play a part in the interview process? I had fucking fantastic 1L grades at a CCN (junior at v10 now), then completely took a disgusting and obvious shit all over my transcript 2/3L. how fucked? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20299191) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:27 AM Author: Twinkling abode i think they matter. however, my company cares a lot more about grades than they should. i would say generally speaking, the primary factors are 1) experience 2) personality/fit 3) law school 4) grades (matter of importance in that order). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20299238) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:31 AM Author: Razzle Pale Locus what about UG grades? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20299268) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:41 AM Author: Twinkling abode they asked for transcript, though i don't think they even looked at it. also, my undergrad grades were not spectacular at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20299359) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:43 AM Author: Razzle Pale Locus before or after interviews? mine is a fucking trainwreck, but i'm otherwise preftigious (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20299381) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:48 AM Author: Twinkling abode must have been pretty late in the game before they asked for UG transcripts. at least after the first couple of rounds of interviews. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20299427) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:33 AM Author: gaped rehab would an interviewer at your company, assuming i phrased it appropriately, at least respect the fact that, by putting forth minimal effort in 2/3L, i was acting rationally in that after 2L oci i lost all incentive to be a competitive asshole just to ensure a job at graduation? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20299291) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:47 AM Author: Twinkling abode sure. i mean, it all depends on how you spin it. and if you were particularly strong in the other factors i mentioned, i.e. had good experience for the position you were interviewing for and your interviewers liked you personally, then i think it could be overlooked (or at least considered less).
Put it this way, a few months after I started working here, one of the attorneys who interviewed me told me that in the end, the position came down to me and this guy who actually was at my firm and in the same practice group (though at a different office). He came from a higher ranked school than me and graduated magna (I was cum laude). The attorney said that it was a pretty easy choice to pick me over him b/c people just seemed to think that I was a better fit for the group. I didn't know the other guy that they were considering that well, but he definitely came across as biglaw douchey in the times I met him. |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:51 AM Author: Vigorous Tantric Patrolman do you understand what that means though?
"better fit" is corporate talk that means you are more like a corporate drone who will act like a cog in the machine and not quit when something more interesting/exciting comes along. |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:54 AM Author: Twinkling abode eh, yes and no. it's a pretty laid back group we have here, and we actually hang out outside of work. i could see how a pretentious dbag could be easily dinged regardless of prestige on paper. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20299483) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 4:03 AM Author: Vigorous Tantric Patrolman i guess what im saying is not being considered a "good fit" by some interviewers may not be a bad thing. they don't look for charisma, or whatever in a lot of these positions, they just want people who will do what they are told and are ok with their corporate culture. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20300165) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 4:14 PM Author: Insanely Creepy Opaque Digit Ratio Sandwich Greetings, (guy who doesn't know fuck about shit) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 5:10 PM Author: Twinkling abode have you ever been on a hiring committee (or participated in a meeting)? Guarantee that the first question asked about a candidate is whether people liked him/her...not, 'will he do as we tell him' or 'do you think he's gonna bail'. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20304494) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 2:19 AM Author: gaped rehab DESCRIBE the biglaw douchey persona (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20299687) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:08 PM Author: Twinkling abode i actually didn't think he was that bad, but he's def not the type of dude i would want to hang out with outside of work, though I only met him in person a handful of times. I worked on a few deals with him when I was a first and second year, and he was a year ahead of me. I remember he was kinda douchey on internal conference calls, i.e. when the partner would ask him to do something, he would say things like, "got it, big guy". And he would volunteer to do work when it really wasn't necessary, for example, i remember a deal we were on, he volunteered to draft and put together all of the sig pages for the deal docs like weeks ahead of closing. It was pretty clear that entities would be changing, and it was way too early to do sig pages b/c they would have to be redone anyway. i think he just wanted to gun and show the partners that he was down to do the stupid busy work. I just felt like he was the type of person that tried really hard to be cool and to ingratiate himself with the higher ups, though it would come off as forced and inauthentic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20303067) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 3:51 AM Author: histrionic boltzmann kitty How much does the law firm itself matter among prospective hires; i.e., V10 v. V50 etc.? Are there specific firms that are more desirable?
Also, what's the shortest time from law school your department would consider hiring someone? |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:15 PM Author: Twinkling abode I think firm matters a decent amount. I came from V10, and there are a good amount of people from similar firms here - most of the people from my group left corp depts at Wachtell/Cravath/Cleary. There are also many people from good regional firms, i.e. Wilson, Cooley, Quinn. Many of the patent guys are from respected patent boutiques, though I wasn't really that familiar with these firms prior to coming here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20303123) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:51 PM Author: histrionic boltzmann kitty Thanks, brother. Two last questions:
Going along with the above--any opinion on Fenwick & West?
Also, how many people usually apply for any one position that opens up? Are there any sneaky ways to back-door a position?
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Date: March 26th, 2012 5:08 PM Author: Twinkling abode I know that fenwick doesn't have a very prestigious vault ranking, but they are highly thought of in SV. Since they serve many clients here, it is pretty easy for them to transition in-house to tech companies. I know a number of ex-fenwick people at other tech companies here.
No idea how many people apply for any one position. I got the job after an internal recruiter called me (i wasn't actively looking to leave the firm at the time). I know that we put a premium on candidate referrals, so any contacts you have at a given company (legal or not) would probably be the best way to get your foot in the door. Also, the in-house community in SV isn't really that big. Many people transition between companies, and for whatever reason, internal recruiters like people with previous in-house experience. So, even if the job with your dream company isn't available at the moment, it could be advantageous to take a job with smaller similar companies in the same region, i.e. I know people at our company that have come from places like Adobe, Intuit, etc. |
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Date: March 27th, 2012 6:04 AM Author: talented thirsty whorehouse what about MoFo? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20311153) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:53 PM Author: razzmatazz cruise ship Quinn has no corporate department (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20303312) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 3:00 PM Author: Twinkling abode right...quinn ppl are on our lit team. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20303675) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 3:37 PM Author: razzmatazz cruise ship what does your lit team do (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20303863) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 5:13 PM Author: Twinkling abode litigate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20304509) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 3:35 PM Author: aquamarine sweet tailpipe LOL at Quinn being a regional firm.
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Date: March 26th, 2012 4:06 AM Author: talented thirsty whorehouse what are your hours like? any perks? as another poaster asked, what about biglaw bros with a finance/cap markets background?
brother, you are living the dream, fuck my ass. |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:20 PM Author: Twinkling abode Hours are generally stable. I'm in the office by 8:30 and leave by 4ish to try to beat traffic back to the city. Will get most of my work done before then...but I'll usually answer a few emails during the evening. Our office is usually cleared out by 5:30-6. I usually work out during lunch.
One telling example of how my post-firm life is different, is that about 6 months after I started working here, I had some late meetings and didn't get home til like 8pm, and my wife was like, 'wtf, you're home so late'; whereas at the firm, 8pm was an early day.
[edit to address your other question] Haven't met that many finance/cap markets people here. our company is sitting on a ridiculous amount of cash and does virtually no financing transactions. however, i do know one guy that came from a firm and he did primarily real estate finance prior to coming here. he works with our corp real estate group here. |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 3:38 PM Author: razzmatazz cruise ship so you work 8:30-4 but get paid the same as a 5th year biglaw associate? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20303867) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 5:21 PM Author: Twinkling abode I'm in the office from 8:30-4ish. I work with a good amount of people in New York, so I will generally do maybe an hour of work prior to coming into the office since they're 3 hours ahead of me (mostly respond to emails)...and I will do about an hour of work after I get home. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20304558) |
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Date: March 27th, 2012 2:08 PM Author: spectacular vermilion plaza chad 2L at a T10 school, below median, applying for summer positions working in the legal department of some major companies, many of them tech companies. I have no background in IP law and have not taken any courses in that area. Do you have any recommendations on how to show an interest in IP law via my cover letter when applying and also just any general recommendations on how to best sell myself for positions like these? Further background, most of my 2L courses have been transaction-heavy courses (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20313097) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 4:27 AM Author: magenta orchestra pit dead giveaway as to your sillly homoflame: it's "in house counsel," not "in house council" (as you have in your thread title) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20300288) |
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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:21 PM Author: Twinkling abode pretty sure i have it right in the thread title dooder. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20303152) |
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Date: May 24th, 2013 1:37 AM Author: Dashing meetinghouse How much do you make, all in?
How much does the general counsel make? |
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Date: May 24th, 2013 12:43 PM Author: Milky Exhilarant Boistinker Given your commute time + legal dept size + no mention of taking a bus from the city (Apple, Google, Facebook) then I'm guessing...Intel? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#23261737) |
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Date: May 24th, 2013 12:47 PM Author: Vigorous Tantric Patrolman or Microsoft or amazon or oracle.
im guessing Oracle. they have a lot of lawyers. |
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Date: May 24th, 2013 2:05 PM Author: Milky Exhilarant Boistinker From SF, Oracle isn't even past Palo Alto. Company, I'm assuming is PA or further towards San Jose. I don't think MS or Amazon have their legal departments out here, but I could be wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#23262188) |
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