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Date: November 11th, 2009 11:15 AM Author: Orchid locus Subject: EOIR offers anyone heard? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13239407) |
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Date: November 12th, 2009 2:38 PM Author: overrated mad-dog skullcap not me. anyone else? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13248838) |
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Date: November 12th, 2009 3:53 PM Author: Zombie-like sexy macaca I know one person who already received an EOIR offer, got a call end of last week (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13249400) |
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Date: November 12th, 2009 4:01 PM Author: overrated mad-dog skullcap thanks. this was for honors, not slip, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13249460) |
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Date: November 12th, 2009 4:33 PM Author: Zombie-like sexy macaca right (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13249728) |
Date: November 13th, 2009 9:45 AM Author: Sickened impertinent address Subject: Still waiting for EOIR A good friend of mine and I both interviewed and were selected as finalists before Avue changed but we have not heard anything from EOIR.
For anyone with offers (or not) have your references been contacted? Ours have not (that we know of). |
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Date: November 13th, 2009 9:54 AM Author: Ruddy cocky wrinkle Subject: EOIR Finalist--No references contacted (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13254714) |
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Date: November 13th, 2009 11:01 AM Author: Honey-headed hominid half-breed I still haven't heard anything and I don't even know if I'm a finalist. It seems odd we can no longer check to see if we are finalists on Avue. Has anyone contacted the helpdesk for Avue?
By the way, I think they contact references as one of the last things they do before they give an offer. I know a SLIP from last year who got his references called one day and the next day got an offer. |
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Date: November 16th, 2009 2:34 PM Author: Honey-headed hominid half-breed Subject: EOIR So are EOIR applicants just quieter than applicants of the other components? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13281604) |
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Date: November 16th, 2009 3:11 PM Author: Ruddy cocky wrinkle I think I've pretty much just given up. In today's climate who is going to turn down a job? If the first wave of offers went out last week, what are the chances they will be making more? This is the cause of my silence--futility! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13281893) |
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Date: November 16th, 2009 3:16 PM Author: overrated mad-dog skullcap Do we know for sure the first round already went out? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13281939) |
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Date: November 16th, 2009 3:21 PM Author: Ruddy cocky wrinkle I spoke with a friend at the DOJ. He said he could not confirm how the process was working this year, but that he did know some offers had been made. I believe there has also been one confirmed offer on this thread. Who knows! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13281966) |
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Date: November 16th, 2009 4:14 PM Author: razzle pit factory reset button I think I'm in the same boat as many of you. Status changed to Finalist, but no word since. I think the process takes longer with EOIR due to the geography component. A friend of mine who just started a clerkship this Fall at an IC didn't get an offer till January last year. It wasn't one of his preferred cities - but an offer none-the-less! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13282317) |
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Date: November 17th, 2009 11:10 PM Author: exhilarant maize hall I received an EOIR offer last Monday (11/9). My references were contacted the previous Thursday. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13295071) |
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Date: November 18th, 2009 10:39 AM Author: Ruddy cocky wrinkle Awesome. Congratulations. Which region if you don't me asking (1st choice, 2nd choice?)? And did you interview late or early in the process? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13297434) |
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Date: November 18th, 2009 1:42 PM Author: exhilarant maize hall 1st choice, and I interviewed midway through. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13298783) |
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Date: November 18th, 2009 4:28 PM Author: Honey-headed hominid half-breed Congrats on the offer. Could you give us a rough idea of your stats? I know in the past EOIR has given a lot of spots to applicants from schools that wouldn't have much of a chance in other components. I wonder if that's changed this year because of the number of applicants they have to choose from... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13300387) |
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Date: November 18th, 2009 5:41 PM Author: 180 property Subject: second round Congrats to those with offers!
I just got an E-mail that said the first round is all out and the second round won't happen until the FY2010 budget passes--I assume the other non-offered finalists got this too? Kinda sucks, but at least there's still hope, I guess. |
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Date: November 18th, 2009 6:03 PM Author: Zombie-like sexy macaca I got the email too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13301295) |
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Date: November 19th, 2009 9:57 AM Author: stirring fat ankles stain I applied to EIOR, and I haven't gotten an offer or one of those FY10 letters. What's the deal with that?
Does anyone know if OIL has started giving out offers? |
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Date: November 19th, 2009 1:25 PM Author: Honey-headed hominid half-breed Do you know if you were selected as finalist? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13308885) |
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Date: November 19th, 2009 10:55 AM Author: Honey-headed hominid half-breed I haven't gotten an email either... that's probably not a good thing.
Was the e-mail directly from someone from EOIR? Or was it from Avue? |
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Date: November 19th, 2009 1:16 PM Author: overrated mad-dog skullcap it was from someone at EOIR. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13308804) |
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Date: November 19th, 2009 1:31 PM Author: Honey-headed hominid half-breed So I must not have even been a finalist? I wonder what I did wrong in the interview. Funny, I actually thought it went really well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13308948) |
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Date: November 19th, 2009 4:06 PM Author: Zombie-like sexy macaca Subject: E-mail from EOIR This what the email said:
Greetings,
You have been designated as a finalist for an EOIR clerkship, as indicated by your online AVUE status. As was mentioned during your interview, many of the 2010-2012 positions are budget dependent. Congress has not yet passed the FY2010 budget and we do not know the timeline. First-round offers for the existing positions have been extended; we anticipate making a second round of offers after the budget passes. Generally, we anticipate extending offers through early 2010. We will keep you apprised of developments. In the meantime, please respond to me via email if you are no longer interested in the position.
Dina Sewell Finkel |
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Date: November 20th, 2009 9:15 AM Author: stirring fat ankles stain Subject: EOIR email So if I neither got an offer or this email, is it safe to assume that I've been rejected? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13317787) |
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Date: November 19th, 2009 4:55 PM Author: multi-colored whorehouse friendly grandma I was told in the interview that people who were selected for budget dependent positions would receive an email like this. Apparently, it basically means that you are most likely the only person still being considered for a particular court where the position is budget dependent, and that if the budget comes through you will get an offer. They also said they didn't anticipate problems with the budget. This was confirmed by people I know at DOJ and my career services office but I still feel like the email is pretty vague. Did anyone else hear something like this in their interview? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13310787) |
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Date: November 19th, 2009 5:15 PM Author: stirring fat ankles stain Subject: OIL Has anyone hear from OIL? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13310967) |
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Date: December 11th, 2009 11:41 AM Author: painfully honest bisexual center coffee pot Not sure if anyone else has heard anything but I did find that H.R. 2847, which I think contains the EOIR budget request, has passed both houses and is awaiting some final tweaking in committee. Hopefully those of us waiting on budget dependent offers will hear something soon. Anyone else have news? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13520046) |
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Date: December 11th, 2009 1:14 PM Author: 180 property The conference put it in the "minibus" (i.e. omnibus minus DOD) bill (HR 3288), which passed the House yesterday and is under consideration in the Senate. They have to get it done by December 18th if there isn't another continuing resolution, so it's looking like we'll probably know sooner rather than later? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13520607) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 11:08 AM Author: multi-colored whorehouse friendly grandma It passed yesterday and now just has to be signed by Obama. Hopefully we will hear soon! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13546717) |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 5:23 PM Author: overrated mad-dog skullcap did anyone get the new ambiguous email from EOIR? apparently i went from finalist to alternate. anyone else? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13570624) |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 5:29 PM Author: 180 property I just got an ambiguous E-mail, but it didn't say anything about a change in status--it says "you remain under consideration for one of the budget-contingent positions, provided that the position is funded in the FY2010 budget." Is that the same thing you got? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13570685) |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 5:42 PM Author: overrated mad-dog skullcap no, i got something different. mine said "Because EOIR is still waiting for budget news, we do not have any further developments to share with you at this time. However, we want to let you know that you remain under consideration as an alternate." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13570807) |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 7:13 PM Author: Ruddy cocky wrinkle Would anyone be willing to post the full text of their e-mail, so we can compare the two? I am willing to post mine. I got the alternate e-mail too, nothing about budget positions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13571698) |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 7:46 PM Author: 180 property Sure. Here's mine--the same as yours except for that sentence:
"This email is to provide you with an update about EOIR’s hiring for the 2010-2012 clerkship year. Because EOIR is still waiting for budget news, we do not have any further developments to share with you at this time. However, we want to let you know that you remain under consideration for one of the budget-contingent positions, provided that the position is funded in the FY2010 budget. As with all positions, we do our best to match the specific location with your identified geographic preferences. We will be in touch when we have more information."
I feel like the difference between the two E-mails could go one of two ways (either I probably have a budget-contingent offer and you're just an alternate, or "alternates" are people who'd be under consideration even without the budget going through and I'm only still in the pool because the budget might open up a position for me somewhere down the line)--I'm obviously hoping the former is right, but I don't have any idea how this process is working. |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 7:15 PM Author: Ruddy cocky wrinkle Subject: The alternate e-mail This email is to provide you with an update about EOIR’s hiring for the 2010-2012 clerkship year. Because EOIR is still waiting for budget news, we do not have any further developments to share with you at this time. However, we want to let you know that you remain under consideration as an alternate. As with all positions, we do our best to match the specific location with your identified geographic preferences. We will be in touch when we have more information. |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 7:20 PM Author: Ruddy cocky wrinkle Anyone want to weigh in on why they would send two different e-mails? I'm totally confused. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13571757) |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 8:04 PM Author: Ruddy cocky wrinkle I'm sure you are probably right. It really makes no sense to me why they would bother to delineate between alternate and budget-dependant candidates. I'm trying to understand their intentions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13572178) |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 10:48 PM Author: overrated mad-dog skullcap i don't get this either. weren't we all 'finalists' at one point? how do you go from finalist to alternate? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13574118) |
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Date: December 17th, 2009 8:53 AM Author: painfully honest bisexual center coffee pot the other thing that's odd is the remark about not knowing what positions will be funded. we all know the budget just passed - is it that now they're not sure how the money will be allocated internally? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13577507) |
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Date: December 17th, 2009 9:31 AM Author: 180 property Yeah, I thought that just meant that they can't say for sure because the President hasn't signed the bill yet, but it's weird that they decided to send these E-mails, like, the day before he's expected to do so. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13577577) |
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Date: December 17th, 2009 11:22 AM Author: yapping water buffalo Subject: signed According to an article on the Wall Street Journal online, the bill was signed yesterday. http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20091216-715820.html
I received the "alternate" email. This is really strange!
I have a friend who was also a finalist. I'm going to talk with this friend to see if s/he received an email.
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Date: December 17th, 2009 4:50 PM Author: yapping water buffalo Subject: MORE CONFUSED! But, here's a possibility... Alright, what I found out is that my friend received an email saying that s/he is still "under consideration as an alternate for one of the budget-contingent positions..."
So, according to what we have posted here, there are now three different versions of this email--giving three different designations. This has lead me to do a lot of rapid thinking.
What do we know so far?... We received an email on or about Nov. 18 telling us that the first round of offers had gone out and that the second round would not be made until after the budget was passed. Then we receive another email yesterday, Dec. 16, as an update and designating us as one of three different categories (presumably before the EOIR knew that the budget had been signed), these cateogeries consisting of alternate, position contigent upon funding, and alternate for position contingent upon funding.
Now, My guess is that the first round offer recipients were given a maximum of one month to accept the offer. Then this would mean that at least some of those did not accept the offer. If they had, then there would be no need of such a designation as alternate (withouth the contingency factor). Further, it appears that the email, sent before the budget was known to have passed, was probably sent because they had just made the designation following the completion of the first round of acceptances. So, the question then would be, do they still have more alternates then non-budget contingent positions? My best guess and hope is that they do not. I would assume that they will make the second round of offers for the remaining non-budget contingent positions and the first round of budget contingent positions all at the same time. This would mean that they would have the exact number of non-contingent alternates and first rounders who were contingent on the budget that they need. Then of those that don't accept, they would move on to the alternates who were contingent upon funding.
I apologize for the long explanation (for those of you who were interested enought to read), but this is my best guess and I really hope this is the case. The one fact that doesn't make a lot of sense to me is that at least three of us posting on here were designated as alternates without the budget contingent language, and collectively we only know of two others each with a different designation. I would assume that there couldn't have been more than 4-5 positions that were not accepted in the first round. Perhaps it could be that nearly all of us "alternates" are posting on here--purely coincidental.
Anyway, I'd like to hear what other guesses are out there--until things are settled (and who knows when that will be?). |
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Date: December 17th, 2009 5:25 PM Author: Ruddy cocky wrinkle I only count three alternates independant of budget contingency on this thread. And I hope your explanation is right! Has anyone's references been contacted? I would think that if we were really alternates for the first round of offers they would have contacted our references by now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13580396) |
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Date: December 17th, 2009 5:43 PM Author: painfully honest bisexual center coffee pot I haven't heard that my references have been contacted yet and I received one of the (non-alternate) budget-contingent position messages.
Here's hoping we all get real, solid good news soon! |
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Date: December 17th, 2009 5:42 PM Author: 180 property This sounds like the most logical explanation to me, and it also explains why they didn't send the E-mails until just now--I imagine there were shuffles between the designations based on location preferences as the first-round offerees refused. But I don't get why they wouldn't just tell us that there were different designations and what's probably going to happen to each of them--without comparing the E-mails with others, I'd have no guesses whatsoever about how likely it is that I'm going to get an offer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13580539) |
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Date: December 16th, 2009 8:05 PM Author: awkward contagious doctorate the career track leads to immigration judge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13572205) |
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Date: December 30th, 2009 1:49 PM Author: ocher aromatic site moar like ICE attorney (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13681603) |
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Date: December 30th, 2009 1:01 PM Author: overrated mad-dog skullcap anyone heard anything? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13681285) |
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Date: December 30th, 2009 1:19 PM Author: Ruddy cocky wrinkle Subject: Nothing, You? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13681392) |
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Date: December 30th, 2009 1:47 PM Author: overrated mad-dog skullcap nope, nothing here. i'm guessing they're not making offers until after the holidays? holding out hope til then. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13681594) |
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Date: January 5th, 2010 12:30 PM Author: multi-colored whorehouse friendly grandma Still no word to anyone? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13727361) |
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Date: January 5th, 2010 6:25 PM Author: painfully honest bisexual center coffee pot Nope. Nothing yet. It's enough to drive a person crazy, isn't it? :) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13729855) |
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Date: January 5th, 2010 6:27 PM Author: Hideous chrome mexican stage I received an offer yesterday morning. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13729882) |
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Date: January 5th, 2010 6:53 PM Author: overrated mad-dog skullcap Congrats. Do you mind saying which e-mail you had gotten? Were you considered as an alternate or for a budget contingent position? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13730065) |
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Date: January 5th, 2010 11:48 PM Author: multi-colored whorehouse friendly grandma Congrats on your offer! In addition to the above question, do you know how long ago they contacted your references? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13733031) |
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Date: January 8th, 2010 1:50 PM Author: overrated mad-dog skullcap no one's heard anything else? alternates? non-alternates? the waiting is driving me crazy! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13754266) |
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Date: January 8th, 2010 1:55 PM Author: painfully honest bisexual center coffee pot i'm a non-alternate and they've contacted my references. that's all i know for now! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13754289) |
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Date: January 8th, 2010 2:26 PM Author: multi-colored whorehouse friendly grandma I'm a non-alternate and I just got an offer. They contacted my references yesterday and today. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13754521) |
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Date: January 8th, 2010 2:41 PM Author: overrated mad-dog skullcap Congrats! Thanks for the info. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13754612) |
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Date: January 8th, 2010 3:15 PM Author: Irradiated carnelian jew piazza I also got the non-alternate email, and they contacted two of my references yesterday. good to know something is happening. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13754878) |
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Date: January 13th, 2010 3:08 PM Author: Irradiated carnelian jew piazza I just got an offer today. It wasn't for my top metro area, but I'm glad to have an option. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13799354) |
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Date: January 13th, 2010 3:14 PM Author: Honey-headed hominid half-breed Subject: stats For those of you getting offers, may I ask what your stats are roughly? I'm wondering how much more competitive EOIR has gotten this year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13799427) |
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Date: January 13th, 2010 3:50 PM Author: Irradiated carnelian jew piazza I'm HYS, top third, minor secondary journal, and on a 2-year clerkship/fellowship. And a lot of immigration experience. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13799721) |
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Date: January 13th, 2010 4:33 PM Author: 180 property Congrats! I was starting to get a bit antsy after seeing that offers started going out last week, but my references have been contacted now, so I'm really hoping to get a call soon. Anyone else heard? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13799960) |
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Date: January 13th, 2010 3:57 PM Author: overrated mad-dog skullcap any alternates out there with offers? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13799764) |
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Date: January 15th, 2010 2:25 PM Author: Sickened impertinent address Subject: Alternates I think that alternates must be up the creek without a paddle. I have not seen or heard of any getting an offer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13815299) |
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Date: January 13th, 2010 4:12 PM Author: Greedy sadistic shrine national security agency EOIR must have gotten A LOT more competitive this year. Example, I got an offer from them last year, but I was lower T2, middle of the class, very little immigration experience. Last year I do not think there were as many applications. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13799858) |
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Date: January 19th, 2010 8:51 PM Author: self-absorbed ebony ceo meetinghouse i know a reference was contacted, but this was over a week ago. is anyone in the same situation? i don't know what to think since it's such a long wait. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13854622) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2010 9:27 AM Author: painfully honest bisexual center coffee pot It was a week from when my references were contacted until I received an offer. Good luck to all of you still waiting to hear something! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13878132) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2010 1:40 PM Author: Ruddy cocky wrinkle Subject: Has anyone accepted their offer? I'm still wavering. What kind of exit options are there really for a former EOIR-JLC? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13879495) |
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Date: January 30th, 2010 12:26 PM Author: Honey-headed hominid half-breed Well, if you don't want to end up doing immigration law, why in the world would you go to EOIR? Former EOIR-JLCs end up doing pretty much exclusively immigration law, for the most part either in DOJ, law firms, solo, or nonprofit... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13960432) |
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Date: January 29th, 2010 12:50 PM Author: Crawly stead rigor Subject: Alternate email I had my references contacted earlier this week. No offer yet (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#13951473) |
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Date: February 4th, 2010 6:01 PM Author: Zombie-like sexy macaca Subject: accepted my offer accepted my offer, still don't know anything about OIL, assuming that those offers went out a while ago but I'm not waiting on them to be rejected. excited about EOIR though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#14015604) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2010 4:20 PM Author: Bateful irate gaming laptop church building Subject: Any alternates... get a rejection? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1135383&forum_id=2#14202183) |