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I hate when PoliceBros give me shitty cases
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 10:11 AM Author: zippy provocative new version nursing home So I'm goin' thru my stack of files where the Def has requested Motion to Supress Hearings.
I get a case where the cops see 3 guys standing outside a Public Housing Unit @ 10:45 p.m. They approach to ask if they live there and 2 of the guys run off.
Cops persue one of the guys into a house and see him drop 2 bags of weed on the table. He catches him, arrests him, sends the case over to my office.
Here's the problem: Cop had no probable cause to chase after the guys in the first place. They were supposedly "loitering" in a drug area, but that isn't enough to justify a chase epscially into soemone's house.
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 10:47 AM Author: Yellow frozen idiot state Reasonable suspicion to investigate a trespass? Does your def have standing in the place where they found the weed? You have some arguments to make here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19887457) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 11:05 AM Author: zippy provocative new version nursing home He was standing outside in a public area. I'm assuming it was his hosue or he knew the person if he was able to come into the place, drop the weed, and sit ont he couch like nothing ever happened. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19887516) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 11:09 AM Author: Yellow frozen idiot state So you are assuming proper conduct by criminals? Why not call the officer and have your questions answered? I can't imagine running in response to being asked if you live here is not reasonable suspicion to follow them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19887521) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 11:23 AM Author: zippy provocative new version nursing home that's the problem:
Reasonable Suspicion of what?
You can't just say, "Well I had evidence that he had committed a crime cuz he ran"
People don't like cops, especially in my jurisdiction. Shit, if it wasn't for me being a lawyer, I'd probably avoid all cops as well just because I don't feel like being hasseled. |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 11:27 AM Author: Yellow frozen idiot state RS of trespass, loitering, possible drug sales (given other indicia). People not liking cops doesn't have anything to do with a suppression issue. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19887576) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 8:32 PM Author: milky gunner mother tcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19890726) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 8:53 PM Author: zippy provocative new version nursing home Neither of those applied in this situation.
Standing outside of Public Housing building, no reports of disturbance.
Loitering doesn't work because the Defendants left the scene as soon as the police approached them (ie, they ran)
Drug sales doesn't work b/c the police never saw a drug transaction or drugs period until after they began chasing the Defendants.
You can't jump to RS in a bad neighborhood unless you have actual/quantifiable facts to show that the person was doing something illegal or about to do something illegal.
Standing outside at 10:45 p.m is still legal. |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 6:56 AM Author: Yellow frozen idiot state Ok. That's what a defense attorney would say. Make the argument for the State. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19892783) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 7:24 AM Author: laughsome jewess 3 dudes standing around in a high crime area, late at night, and 2 out of the 3 run at the same time upon being approached by police. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19892786) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 10:37 PM Author: Nofapping cobalt kitty "So you are assuming proper conduct by criminals?"
Well, I don't have a hard time assuming overreaching conduct by cops. |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:24 PM Author: razzle main people flight plus bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19891055) |
Date: February 3rd, 2012 10:21 AM Author: electric step-uncle's house yarmulke i thought i remember from crim law that running away from cops in a high crime area is probable cause? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19887380) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 10:23 AM Author: zippy provocative new version nursing home If the cop has reason to believe they are doing something illegal.
Here, 3 guys are standing around a Public Housing area. The cop might *know* those 3 are dealing drugs, but w/o something articuable, he can't just chase after them.
At most, it is a tier-1 interaction and the dooders are free to walk off at any time and the polic can't detain them. |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 10:23 AM Author: electric step-uncle's house yarmulke race? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19887390) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 10:25 AM Author: zippy provocative new version nursing home I dunno, the case has crossed the barrier in which I wont' put too much more effort into it since I'm not gonna fight this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19887396) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 10:52 AM Author: electric step-uncle's house yarmulke o so u mad? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19887475) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 11:05 AM Author: zippy provocative new version nursing home enraged, even. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19887518) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 10:23 AM Author: fighting honey-headed casino laser beams wut? running from the cops = probable cause. if that doesn't work, you could just have the cop say he saw a suspicious bulge in the guy's pocket |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 10:31 AM Author: zippy provocative new version nursing home Probable Cause for what?
Standing around?
The cop had nothing to hold the guy on before he took off running.
Running itself doesn't give PC unless there is more |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 11:26 AM Author: cerebral mahogany blood rage cuckold my bad. i meant reasonable suspicion. was sufficient to terry stop the guy and frisk him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19893097) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 10:39 PM Author: Nofapping cobalt kitty "if that doesn't work, you could just have the cop say he saw a suspicious bulge in the guy's pocket"
Yeah, I always just have my clients lie when faced with a MSJ.
"Just lie, bro." |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 11:27 AM Author: cerebral mahogany blood rage cuckold tbf, i know multiple cops and they do this constantly. every time they want to terry stop someone it is because they saw a "suspicious bulge" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19893100) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 10:38 AM Author: Silver Trust Fund Den just do state trial court judges don't give a shit and deny motions to suppress all the time, despite reasonable grounds to claim that a search or seizure was illegal; no big deal, brah. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19887438) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 10:38 AM Author: zippy provocative new version nursing home "Date: February 3rd, 2012 10:38 AM Author: United Against a Nuclear Latham
just do state trial court judges don't give a shit and deny motions to suppress all the time, despite reasonable grounds to claim that a search or seizure was illegal; no big deal, brah."
Just circumvent a citizen's constitutional right, nbd, lil breh |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 10:52 AM Author: Silver Trust Fund Den just do represent your client (the state) and let it do what it do. that's your jerb, little breh. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19887477) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 8:50 PM Author: Curious Maroon Range Voyeur when your client is the state it's not necessarily in your client's interest to pursue questionable prosecutions. interests of justice and all that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19890838) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 8:54 PM Author: zippy provocative new version nursing home Prosecutors don't have clients, broseph (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19890861) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 11:28 AM Author: Heady underhanded haunted graveyard lol, a prosecutor who cares about the constitution. That's funny (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19887582) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 10:41 AM Author: pink public bath wagecucks just do reasonable suspicion bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19887443) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 10:42 AM Author: zippy provocative new version nursing home There was no RAS. A person can run/walk/crawl away from police as long as it is a tier-1 encounter.
The cops had no quantifiable reason to believe the Def. had done anything or was about to do anything illegal. All he could've done was just talk to him. |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 10:45 AM Author: pink public bath wagecucks then make up some shit bro. cops word against some punk nigs. j/k man. copbros are stunningly ignorant of basic laws like this. |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 10:47 AM Author: zippy provocative new version nursing home Surprisingly, this is true of a # of PoliceBros.
I thought CrimPro was a part of the Police Academy. |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 11:09 AM Author: Rambunctious rough-skinned abode They literally don't allow smart bros to become cops, bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19887522) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 12:59 PM Author: Racy juggernaut TCR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19888008) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:04 PM Author: milky gunner mother You must be in a shitty state. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19890913) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 8:29 PM Author: Vengeful Plum Rigor god I can't believe how much it would suck to have to be GIVEN cases where someone does your investigation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19890716) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:30 PM Author: razzle main people OH MY GOD THE DIFFICULTY OF PERFORMING CROSS ON ONE WITNESS! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19891087) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 11:33 AM Author: cerebral mahogany blood rage cuckold lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19893115) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 8:32 PM Author: Odious school cafeteria legend *has use of massive state resources at disposal* *bitches about how hard job is* *can't put people in jail for standing on the sidewalk* *MAD AS FUKK* |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 8:34 PM Author: Vengeful Plum Rigor lol ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19890734) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 8:45 PM Author: pink public bath wagecucks rofl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19890797) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 7:58 AM Author: vivacious point brethren 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19892794) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 8:42 PM Author: Very Tactful Maize Stage holy fucking shit I can't believe they gave some sackless piece of liberal shit like you a job protecting upstanding citizens from criminals.
Illinois v. Wardlow you dumb piece of shit. If the D's are pieces of shit (like you), the judge will deny the suppression motion. Your personal misgivings about the fairness of current Fourth Amendment doctrine are your own fucking problem.
Fuck.
"had no probable cause to pursue?" Are you fucking serious? Have you ever studied criminal procedure? Hodari?
I hear the public defender's office has openings. Maybe you should rethink whether you're cut out for this whole putting bad guys in jail thing. |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 8:57 PM Author: Tan Fortuitous Meteor cr. Wardlow is definitely on point here assuming that this PHU = high-crime area. And if you can't make an argument that the PHU = high-crime area, you should quit the profession. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19890881) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:03 PM Author: zippy provocative new version nursing home See, this is the fucking reason that jurors in my jurisdiction rarely convict on possession charges:
"And if you can't make an argument that the PHU = high-crime area, you should quit the profession."
No Reasonable Suspicion? Just say the bad neighborhood was a "high-crime" area, nbd.
Shit, the 1 block radius around my courthouse can qualify as a "high-crime" area if you want to stretch the definition that far.
My job isn't to make up bullshit arguments to justify arresting someone for 1 gram of weed.
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:08 PM Author: Very Tactful Maize Stage you do a lot of jury suppression motions in your jurisdiction you know-nothing piece of bleeding-heart shit?
You know why the guy got arrested for having a gram of weed? Because he ran from the fucking police because he was committing a fucking crime, for which he was subsequently arrested and charged--until your quivering cunt came into the picture and started doubting the wisdom of our duly elected representatives.
goddamn you're going to give me a stroke. |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:11 PM Author: zippy provocative new version nursing home Good flame, bro.
You actually had me believing you were actually selling this bullshit. |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 12:23 PM Author: ocher exciting karate I have to say, cr.
Do your fucking job and let the pd do his.
And if you are such a bleeding heart that you think this is about police, race, and class, think about the other folks who live in public housing who can't get a good nights sleep because the sketchy guys are doing weed on the corner every night. |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:13 PM Author: Vengeful Plum Rigor well it's a good thing the jury will hear the suppression motion (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19890980) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:14 PM Author: zippy provocative new version nursing home Yeah, because the facts of the case will suddenly look so much more attractive at trial.
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Date: February 4th, 2012 9:44 AM Author: territorial tattoo Flame bro? If the weed isn't suppressed it becomes evidence, you tard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19892851) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 8:57 PM Author: zippy provocative new version nursing home *1L who doesn't like the constitution* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19890882) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 8:58 PM Author: Very Tactful Maize Stage I dare you to distinguish either of those cases from the situation you described (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19890887) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:07 PM Author: zippy provocative new version nursing home Sure bro.
In re: Shitty cases that jurors won't find guilty (2012) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:08 PM Author: Very Tactful Maize Stage see above re arguing to a jury about suppression issues. are you flame? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19890950) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:11 PM Author: zippy provocative new version nursing home Dumbass, what do you think will happen when this makes it past Motion to Suppress (if it survives) and is pushed to a jury trial?
You think the jury is gonna say, "Hey! I'm really glad they made me miss work just to listen to a cop talk about chasing down a person for 1 gram of weed!"
Shitty files develop into shitty cases that end up being a waste to try.
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:14 PM Author: milky gunner mother Do you feel a need to try this case to protect the cops from a lawsuit? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19890989) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:15 PM Author: zippy provocative new version nursing home wut?
How could this develop into a lawsuit?
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:16 PM Author: Vengeful Plum Rigor must be nice to only SOMETIMES get shitty cases (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19891006) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:16 PM Author: Very Tactful Maize Stage i think in some earlier threads i was kind of excited for you that you got this job and everything. if you actually believe any of this shit you have absolutely no business being a prosecutor. none. and I assure you that I speak for your bosses and the entire law enforcement community. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19891010) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:18 PM Author: zippy provocative new version nursing home I love this part:
"I assure you that I speak for your bosses and the entire law enforcement community."
yfwgi
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:21 PM Author: Very Tactful Maize Stage do you start sweating when the defendants come into the courtroom. are you, like, visibly afraid? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19891038) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:31 PM Author: zippy provocative new version nursing home lol! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19891092) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:33 PM Author: razzle main people you must not know cops. because they sure as hell don't want to show up for a trial like this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19891103) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:38 PM Author: zippy provocative new version nursing home Not just road patrol cops, this case somehow had 4 Investigators/Detectives attached to it.
This shit would've been ROFLCOPTER from beginning to the 15 min Not Guilty verdict. |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:39 PM Author: razzle main people i see now. disregard some of my poast below. i was under the understanding this would be a short suppression hearing. it wouldn't be a problem after that though. a jury won't return not guilty if that's admissible.
edit: the presence of detectives probably will beef your suppression hearing argument, so i'm kind of back at square one as to why you would dismiss. |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:43 PM Author: zippy provocative new version nursing home Judges/Jurors don't care about the rank of the testifying officer.
Judges will scrutinize the constitutionality of the arrests.
Jurors will question WHY THE FUCK all of these detectives/investigators were needed to arrest someone for 1 gram of weed.
Especially when nobody saw the Def actually selling weed beforehand. |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:46 PM Author: razzle main people a judge at a suppression hearing where you are arguing about a high crime area would almost certainly want to know about the detectives' experience in that area and why they were there. jurors are not judging the arrest bro. if this is an intent case and intent is shaky amend to possession. but you're completely wrong about your jury assumption. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19891177) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:50 PM Author: zippy provocative new version nursing home The judges here already know the Investigators/Detectives and their experience.
They also know how often the "high drug/crime area" is tossed around in this jurisdiction.
It would be a different situation if the cop actually SAW the Defendant doing something or had an anonymous tip that the particular defendant was doing some shady/illegal shit.
But I don't have that here.
Experienced Cop + Bad neighborhood + Run != Autowin
It's a shitty case just for a MTS.
Don't even get me started on actually taking this to trial.
The charge was ALREADY to possession. Jurors here don't give a shit about a blunt or a dimebag, especially if the Defendant was just standing around and not actually seen selling it. |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:55 PM Author: razzle main people i see man. i don't want you to think i dislike you as a poaster based on the thread. very possible our jurisdictions and offices lead to these disagreements. i'm just of the mind that i'd rather hear all the evidence at the suppression hearing and go from there. very possible you improve your bargaining position after. anyway i enjoy your threads bro. and i frequently get shit pure shit cases, so i feel you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19891225) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:57 PM Author: zippy provocative new version nursing home Sometimes I wish I was in a "tougher" jurisdiction.
Shit seems like a revolving door. The public knows that certain crimes will be treated w/ kiddy gloves, so they really have no deterrent. |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 8:09 AM Author: Green elite location lol you dumbshit, YOU are the kiddy glove (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19892800) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 11:35 AM Author: cerebral mahogany blood rage cuckold flame? cops love showing up for trial because they get paid for the whole day and only have to work for an hour or two. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19893119) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:18 PM Author: Very Tactful Maize Stage you're right bro. when people run from the police, we should encourage the cops to let them go. the sporting theory of constitutional rights and all that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19891020) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 12:27 PM Author: ocher exciting karate You sound like a shitty prosecutor. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19893372) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:32 PM Author: razzle main people dude you're getting pwned here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19891096) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:35 PM Author: zippy provocative new version nursing home lol, just lol.
Not really.
The above poasters would be arguing for the other side if I had actually bragged about keeping the case.
"YOU PIECE OF SHIT! YOU ARE ABUSING YOUR AUTHORITY!" |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:38 PM Author: razzle main people yea man. i like you as a poaster, but when you have very colorable suppression hearing argument and have not spoken to the officer, you should not be lambasting cops for bringing you the case. its a 30 minute suppression hearing bro. i guess i wouldn't just kick it that easily without knowing more. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19891124) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:41 PM Author: zippy provocative new version nursing home Lambasting the cops?
You think they give a shit what some lawyer who has never so much as handcuffed someone thinks about how they do their day-to-day job?
lol, just lol!
If they did, half of the fuckers that perform DUI SFST in my jurisdiction would've been shit-canned YEARS ago.
I don't know where this meme of "Prosecutors control Cops" has developed. Maybe I need to find such a jurisdiction and get a job there. |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:43 PM Author: aphrodisiac drunken station kitty cat the agents/cops RUN cases bro; prosecutors usually just do what they want (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19891158) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:45 PM Author: zippy provocative new version nursing home lollerskates!
I need to get a job in your jurisdiction. |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:46 PM Author: aphrodisiac drunken station kitty cat this was the case in fed ct anyway (at least as applied to the FBI) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19891176) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:44 PM Author: razzle main people your thread is complaining about police bros. this is a very winnable case from everything you have poasted. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19891165) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:47 PM Author: zippy provocative new version nursing home In a very conservative jurisdiction, yeah, because the jury wouldn't care about how the drugs were found, they'd be pissed that the guy didn't submit to the cops immediately.
My jurisdiction isn't conservative, tho. It's about as FAR from conservative as you can possible get. Plus, our judges are elected, so they bow to the tendencies of the community more so than being "tough on crime". |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:53 PM Author: Vengeful Plum Rigor I love how your argument has morphed over the course of this thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19891220) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:54 PM Author: zippy provocative new version nursing home I love how it hasn't. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19891223) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 8:11 AM Author: Green elite location it has bro, you've really been pwned here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19892802) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 8:41 AM Author: Stirring lemon affirmative action partner Juries don't decide motions to suppress, bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19892819) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:16 PM Author: Silver Trust Fund Den just do the wicked flee when no man pursuath, but the righteous stand bold as a lion, bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19891007) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:17 PM Author: Vengeful Plum Rigor cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19891013) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 10:44 PM Author: Nofapping cobalt kitty When a man pursueth, what do the wicked do? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19891490) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:38 PM Author: aphrodisiac drunken station kitty cat fleeing in high crime area in response to police question = RS to detain/chase
running into a random house = PC to believe drug possession/trespass |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:54 PM Author: zippy provocative new version nursing home Wasn't random house.
Plus, the judges don't like when we toss out the "High Crime Area" as a catch-all without something more.
Last month I argued a MTS where the cops saw a guy standing outside in a "HCA", but the catch was that he spit out a blunt from his mouth as they spoke to him.
Without the dumbass spitting the blunt out, they never would've had RS to detain or PC to arrest. |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 10:00 PM Author: Charcoal Big Idea He Suggested Market so randomly running from the police doesnt constitute RS to at least chase and Terry stop?
Dont have my crimpro hornbook in front of me, but i know cops cant chase doods into their house without a warrant in certain exigencies
but yeah, the RS may not have risen to the required PC by the time they entered their home. Without more, the police had no justification to continue pursuing (like if it was a suspected trespass, they saw drugs during the chase etc) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 10:17 PM Author: zippy provocative new version nursing home Didn't see drugs until after chase had ended.
If they had saw Def. actually DOING something, then that's a different story. |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 11:36 AM Author: cerebral mahogany blood rage cuckold answer his question about reasonable suspicion to terry stop, faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19893125) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:53 PM Author: Charcoal Big Idea He Suggested Market *is an unemployed faggot lecturing an IRL prosecutor on how to win a MTS* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19891214) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 12:31 PM Author: ocher exciting karate *is an actual IRL prosecutor telling you that this is a triable case and OP is a whiny faggot who seems too incompetent to argue a slightly thorny issue* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19893399) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 12:36 PM Author: floppy ceo It's really interesting to hear about how this goes down in other jurisdictions. Where I practice, this evidence would never be suppressed. You need to have a completely undeniable suppression issue to get any traction here. The judges are all former prosecutors and they're conservative as fuck, as are the appellate courts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19893425) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 10:30 AM Author: Very Tactful Maize Stage this will always be remembered as the thread where you were exposed as an incompetent idiot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19892935) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 11:26 AM Author: Transparent Area go fight some real crime (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19893095) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 12:31 PM Author: floppy ceo ITT a prosecutor gets *one* case that isn't a slam dunk, whines about it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19893398) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 12:31 PM Author: ocher exciting karate CR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1864215&forum_id=2#19893401) |