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WHY I OPPOSE THE DEATH PENALTY--Some reflections

Recent empirical studies by economists have shown, without e...
primrose gas station blood rage
  02/25/12
It deters that murderer from murdering again, 100% of the ti...
marvelous burgundy station people who are hurt
  02/25/12
After he's been incapacitated from the outside for about 15 ...
primrose gas station blood rage
  02/25/12
AEDPA's a bitch
marvelous burgundy station people who are hurt
  02/25/12
check out this 180 AEDPA article I just read http://schol...
primrose gas station blood rage
  02/25/12
ou'er a fucking cancer to this board ITA
marvelous burgundy station people who are hurt
  02/25/12
...
primrose gas station blood rage
  07/27/12
(Ted bundy)
180 site organic girlfriend
  02/25/12
and deters the wrongfully accused 100% of the time.
Carnelian Electric Orchestra Pit Coffee Pot
  02/25/12
link to an actually innocent person being executed, tyia
marvelous burgundy station people who are hurt
  02/25/12
Cameron Willingham Texas Convicted: 1992, Executed: 2004 A...
primrose gas station blood rage
  02/25/12
20 indicators of arson = NO PROOF
marvelous burgundy station people who are hurt
  02/25/12
arson investigators used arson theories that have since been...
light macaca halford
  02/25/12
flawed evidence of guilt =\= innocence.
milky marketing idea milk
  02/25/12
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/09/07/090907fa_fact_...
primrose gas station blood rage
  02/25/12
Was I unclear about the value of flawed evidence?
milky marketing idea milk
  02/25/12
Sorry, brother. Thoughts on Baze v Rees?
primrose gas station blood rage
  02/25/12
YNY
milky marketing idea milk
  02/25/12
what's that stand for?
primrose gas station blood rage
  02/25/12
(low IQ schtick)
milky marketing idea milk
  02/25/12
...
primrose gas station blood rage
  05/09/12
flawed evidence may = reasonable doubt
Big crimson feces
  02/26/12
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primrose gas station blood rage
  03/05/12
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primrose gas station blood rage
  07/28/12
Timothy Evans was granted a posthumous free pardon in 1966....
light macaca halford
  02/25/12
defendants now required to prove actual innocence to avoid d...
Federal kitchen
  02/25/12
Misspelled convicted murderers
180 site organic girlfriend
  02/25/12
...
primrose gas station blood rage
  03/25/12
...
primrose gas station blood rage
  04/17/12
180
Low-t hideous casino mad-dog skullcap
  07/27/12
yes.
Charcoal bateful menage
  07/28/12
not even recent, breh. Levitt spelled this shit out in Freak...
Stimulating School Cafeteria
  02/25/12
why not in toto?
primrose gas station blood rage
  02/25/12
Don't mean to sound like some Nancy Grace nut, but why does ...
Stimulating School Cafeteria
  02/25/12
ya he is a fucker. what about mumia jamal?
primrose gas station blood rage
  02/25/12
can't keep track of all these convicts. I will say that the ...
Stimulating School Cafeteria
  02/25/12
Mumia Abu-Jamal (born Wesley Cook[1] on April 24, 1954) is a...
primrose gas station blood rage
  02/25/12
lol @ mumia being innocent.
180 site organic girlfriend
  02/25/12
He is innocent (until proven guilty, which has not yet been ...
primrose gas station blood rage
  02/25/12
(low_IQ_schtick)
180 site organic girlfriend
  02/25/12
Anyone who has worked in the legal system who supports the D...
French Corn Cake
  02/25/12
Cr
flatulent soul-stirring associate
  02/25/12
http://www.stevesachs.com/papers/paper_thesis.html
primrose gas station blood rage
  02/25/12
FUCK the scoundrel John Martin
Black ceo
  02/25/12
Thoughts on Baze v Rees?
primrose gas station blood rage
  02/25/12
juries do fuck things, but some people just deserve to die.
Underhanded Tattoo
  07/27/12
so the death penalty has never in history deterred a single ...
Black ceo
  02/25/12
Keeps me from killing motherfuckers.
180 site organic girlfriend
  02/25/12
have you considered moving to a non-DP state?
Black ceo
  02/25/12
Soon, very soon.
180 site organic girlfriend
  02/25/12
underrated
twinkling disgusting property son of senegal
  02/25/12
I'm sure serial murderers and shit are like, "OH NOES! ...
Translucent vivacious old irish cottage stage
  05/09/12
should be capital punishment for white collar offenses, wher...
azure hospital fanboi
  02/25/12
Would pwn at stopping jaywalking as well.
180 site organic girlfriend
  02/25/12
just post snipers near crowded streets.
Stimulating School Cafeteria
  02/25/12
in all seriousness, the DP for minor drug offenses would be ...
concupiscible sex offender
  02/26/12
(George Carlin)
shimmering dashing reading party
  07/27/12
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exonerated_death_row_in...
light macaca halford
  02/25/12
Who really gives a shit about some sps poli sci empirical st...
Thriller dead office
  02/25/12
*Libs irate*
twinkling disgusting property son of senegal
  02/25/12
mfcr
concupiscible sex offender
  02/26/12
And what if there's a mistake?
Translucent vivacious old irish cottage stage
  05/09/12
don't make a mistake.
Underhanded Tattoo
  07/27/12
...
infuriating bawdyhouse generalized bond
  07/27/12
the amount of litigation that goes into a single case is sta...
dun tanning salon
  02/25/12
But what about Justice Harlan's cogent warning, "as bot...
primrose gas station blood rage
  02/25/12
...
primrose gas station blood rage
  02/26/12
it's not about deterrence, it's about revenge. hth!
concupiscible sex offender
  02/26/12
I don't give a SHIT if the death penalty doesn't deter crime...
beady-eyed electric furnace
  02/26/12
justice ends at conviction. retribution begins at sentencing...
Bright hell
  04/17/12
Too many people have been exonerated from death row. The de...
Lilac excitant locus volcanic crater
  04/17/12
Nonsense! Those "exonerations" are not findings of...
Aphrodisiac potus
  07/27/12
this.
Underhanded Tattoo
  07/27/12
cr
outnumbered ticket booth
  07/27/12
The death penalty exists because of Charles Manson and Tim M...
Charismatic set
  05/09/12
Non existent error rate with death penalty
Aphrodisiac potus
  07/27/12
I've been to jail, it was a vacation. the death penalty DO...
Underhanded Tattoo
  07/27/12
also LOL at nancy boy lawyer faggots who have never expirien...
Underhanded Tattoo
  07/27/12
Unless it causes people to commit more murder, it seems pret...
diverse copper temple gaping
  07/27/12
Just throwing this out there... Chicago just recently lost t...
diverse copper temple gaping
  07/27/12
I don't believe that retribution should be a principle in ad...
Laughsome Bonkers Fortuitous Meteor
  07/27/12
Even children understand revenge. Basic human need.
Aphrodisiac potus
  07/27/12
Yes, and its almost always a childish fantasy. I don't know...
Laughsome Bonkers Fortuitous Meteor
  07/27/12
Explain how a Wall Street Trader causes more misery then a m...
diverse copper temple gaping
  07/27/12
because the cumulative social suffering from irresponsible o...
Laughsome Bonkers Fortuitous Meteor
  07/28/12
Society demands revenge. It is cathartic.
Aphrodisiac potus
  07/28/12
OP = Shitlib 1L furiously waiving his hand during crim law l...
Violet misanthropic roommate public bath
  07/28/12
FACT: only nancy boy faggots who have never expirienced viol...
Underhanded Tattoo
  07/28/12


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Date: February 25th, 2012 4:50 PM
Author: primrose gas station blood rage

Recent empirical studies by economists have shown, without exception, that capital punishment DOES NOT deter crime.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20051804)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 4:50 PM
Author: marvelous burgundy station people who are hurt

It deters that murderer from murdering again, 100% of the time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20051809)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 4:52 PM
Author: primrose gas station blood rage

After he's been incapacitated from the outside for about 15 years of his life due to successive appeals and collateral relief motions

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20051827)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 4:53 PM
Author: marvelous burgundy station people who are hurt

AEDPA's a bitch

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20051832)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 4:58 PM
Author: primrose gas station blood rage

check out this 180 AEDPA article I just read

http://scholarship.law.stjohns.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1298&context=lawreview

The modern law of federal habeas corpus is a labyrinth of

counterfactuals and arcane procedural hurdles that few state

petitioners manage to navigate-as Justice Blackmun once

wrote less charitably in dissent, "a Byzantine morass of

arbitrary, unnecessary, and unjustifiable impediments to the

vindication of federal rights."2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20051878)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 5:05 PM
Author: marvelous burgundy station people who are hurt

ou'er a fucking cancer to this board ITA

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20051952)



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Date: July 27th, 2012 3:37 PM
Author: primrose gas station blood rage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#21191314)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 4:55 PM
Author: 180 site organic girlfriend

(Ted bundy)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20051859)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 4:53 PM
Author: Carnelian Electric Orchestra Pit Coffee Pot

and deters the wrongfully accused 100% of the time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20051837)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 4:54 PM
Author: marvelous burgundy station people who are hurt

link to an actually innocent person being executed, tyia

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20051842)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 4:57 PM
Author: primrose gas station blood rage

Cameron Willingham Texas Convicted: 1992, Executed: 2004

After examining evidence from the capital prosecution of Cameron Willingham, four national arson experts have concluded that the original investigation of Willingham's case was flawed, and it is possible the fire was accidental. The independent investigation, reported by the Chicago Tribune, found that prosecutors and arson investigators used arson theories that have since been repudiated by scientific advances. Willingham was executed in 2004 in Texas despite his consistent claims of innocence. He was convicted of murdering his three children in a 1991 house fire.

Arson expert Gerald Hurst said, "There's nothing to suggest to any reasonable arson investigator that this was an arson fire. It was just a fire." Former Louisiana State University fire instructor Kendall Ryland added, "[It] made me sick to think this guy was executed based on this investigation.... They executed this guy and they've just got no idea - at least not scientifically - if he set the fire, or if the fire was even intentionally set."

Willingham was convicted of capital murder after arson investigators concluded that 20 indicators of arson led them to believe that an accelerent had been used to set three separate fires inside his home. Among the only other evidence presented by prosecutors during the the trial was testimony from jailhouse snitch Johnny E. Webb, a drug addict on psychiatric medication, who claimed Willingham had confessed to him in the county jail.

Some of the jurors who convicted Willingham were troubled when told of the new case review. Juror Dorinda Brokofsky asked, "Did anybody know about this prior to his execution? Now I will have to live with this for the rest of my life. Maybe this man was innocent." Prior to the execution, Willingham's defense attorneys presented expert testimony regarding the new arson investigation to the state's highest court, as well as to Texas Governor Rick Perry. No relief was granted and Willingham was executed on February 17, 2004. Coincidentally, less than a year after Willingham's execution, arson evidence presented by some of the same experts who had appealed for relief in Willingham's case helped free Ernest Willis from Texas's death row. The experts noted that the evidence in the Willingham case was nearly identical to the evidence used to exonerate Willis. (Chicago Tribune, December 9, 2004).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20051871)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 5:05 PM
Author: marvelous burgundy station people who are hurt

20 indicators of arson = NO PROOF

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20051950)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 5:09 PM
Author: light macaca halford

arson investigators used arson theories that have since been repudiated by scientific advances"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20051993)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 5:14 PM
Author: milky marketing idea milk

flawed evidence of guilt =\= innocence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20052031)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 5:15 PM
Author: primrose gas station blood rage

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/09/07/090907fa_fact_grann

very good article on the flawed nature of arson evidence

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20052039)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 5:32 PM
Author: milky marketing idea milk

Was I unclear about the value of flawed evidence?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20052146)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 5:34 PM
Author: primrose gas station blood rage

Sorry, brother. Thoughts on Baze v Rees?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20052163)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 5:36 PM
Author: milky marketing idea milk

YNY

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20052175)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 5:36 PM
Author: primrose gas station blood rage

what's that stand for?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20052181)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 5:41 PM
Author: milky marketing idea milk

(low IQ schtick)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20052208)



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Date: May 9th, 2012 12:42 PM
Author: primrose gas station blood rage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20652940)



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Date: February 26th, 2012 12:58 PM
Author: Big crimson feces

flawed evidence may = reasonable doubt

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20057952)



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Date: March 5th, 2012 4:46 PM
Author: primrose gas station blood rage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20132189)



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Date: July 28th, 2012 12:37 PM
Author: primrose gas station blood rage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#21197353)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 5:14 PM
Author: light macaca halford

Timothy Evans was granted a posthumous free pardon in 1966. Mahmood Hussein Mattan was convicted in 1952 and was the last person to be hanged in Cardiff, Wales, but had his conviction quashed in 1998. George Kelly was hanged at Liverpool in 1950, but had his conviction quashed by the Court of Appeal in June 2003.[11] Derek Bentley had his conviction quashed in 1998 with the appeal trial judge, Lord Bingham, noting that the original trial judge, Lord Goddard, had denied the defendant "the fair trial which is the birthright of every British citizen."



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20052035)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 5:22 PM
Author: Federal kitchen

defendants now required to prove actual innocence to avoid death penalty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20052083)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 6:00 PM
Author: 180 site organic girlfriend

Misspelled convicted murderers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20052302)



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Date: March 25th, 2012 7:19 PM
Author: primrose gas station blood rage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20295393)



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Date: April 17th, 2012 2:14 PM
Author: primrose gas station blood rage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20482932)



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Date: July 27th, 2012 5:11 PM
Author: Low-t hideous casino mad-dog skullcap

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#21192167)



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Date: July 28th, 2012 12:36 AM
Author: Charcoal bateful menage

yes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#21195706)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 5:07 PM
Author: Stimulating School Cafeteria

not even recent, breh. Levitt spelled this shit out in Freakonomics. I don't think its a crime deterrent, but I think some people have committed such egregious crimes that they've forfeited their right to live. I think it should be used far more discriminately than it currently is, but I don't think it should be abolished in toto.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20051968)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 5:08 PM
Author: primrose gas station blood rage

why not in toto?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20051979)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 5:12 PM
Author: Stimulating School Cafeteria

Don't mean to sound like some Nancy Grace nut, but why does someone like Komisarjevsky deserve to remain among the living? I wish I could put the needle in that motherfucker's arm myself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20052018)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 5:13 PM
Author: primrose gas station blood rage

ya he is a fucker. what about mumia jamal?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20052027)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 5:16 PM
Author: Stimulating School Cafeteria

can't keep track of all these convicts. I will say that the Troy Davis execution disturbed me and made me reflect on my own beliefs quite a bit. As of now, I think it should be used in only extraordinary circumstances, comme Komisarjevsky. Anything short of that is morally dubious.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20052044)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 5:18 PM
Author: primrose gas station blood rage

Mumia Abu-Jamal (born Wesley Cook[1] on April 24, 1954) is an American convict, serving a life sentence for the 1981 murder of Philadelphia police officer Daniel Faulkner.[2] He was sentenced to death at his first trial in July 1982, and his case became an international cause célèbre.[3] Before his arrest, he was an activist and radio journalist who became President of the Philadelphia Association of Black Journalists. He was a member of the Black Panther Party until October 1970.

Supporters and opponents disagreed on the appropriateness of the death penalty, his guilt, and whether he received a fair trial.[4][5][6] He was described as "perhaps the world's best known death-row inmate".[7] During his imprisonment he has published several books and other commentaries, notably Live from Death Row (1995).

In 2008, a three-judge panel of the U.S. 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the murder conviction, but ordered a new capital sentencing hearing over concerns that the jury was improperly instructed.[8] Subsequently, the United States Supreme Court allowed his conviction to stand,[8] and ordered the appeals court to reconsider its decision to rescind the death sentence.[9] In 2011, the Third Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed his conviction as well as its decision to vacate the death sentence,[10] and the District Attorney of Philadelphia announced that prosecutors would no longer seek the death penalty.[11] He was removed from death row in January 2012.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20052059)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 5:19 PM
Author: 180 site organic girlfriend

lol @ mumia being innocent.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20052061)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 5:20 PM
Author: primrose gas station blood rage

He is innocent (until proven guilty, which has not yet been satisfied)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20052065)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 5:23 PM
Author: 180 site organic girlfriend

(low_IQ_schtick)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20052091)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 4:55 PM
Author: French Corn Cake

Anyone who has worked in the legal system who supports the DP is a sadist. Juries suck bro. They shouldn't be killing anyone, they get way too much shit wrong.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20051857)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 5:04 PM
Author: flatulent soul-stirring associate

Cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20051943)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 5:05 PM
Author: primrose gas station blood rage

http://www.stevesachs.com/papers/paper_thesis.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20051951)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 5:55 PM
Author: Black ceo

FUCK the scoundrel John Martin

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20052280)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 6:00 PM
Author: primrose gas station blood rage

Thoughts on Baze v Rees?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20052303)



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Date: July 27th, 2012 7:23 PM
Author: Underhanded Tattoo

juries do fuck things, but some people just deserve to die.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#21193289)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 5:07 PM
Author: Black ceo

so the death penalty has never in history deterred a single crime?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20051971)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 5:08 PM
Author: 180 site organic girlfriend

Keeps me from killing motherfuckers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20051981)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 5:10 PM
Author: Black ceo

have you considered moving to a non-DP state?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20052003)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 5:12 PM
Author: 180 site organic girlfriend

Soon, very soon.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20052014)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 5:51 PM
Author: twinkling disgusting property son of senegal

underrated

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20052269)



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Date: May 9th, 2012 12:54 PM
Author: Translucent vivacious old irish cottage stage

I'm sure serial murderers and shit are like, "OH NOES! I MIGHT FACE EXECUTION INSTEAD OF LIFE IMPRISONMENT IF I GET CAUGHT. I BETTER STOP KILLING BICHES AND GET A REAL JOB!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20653012)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 5:10 PM
Author: azure hospital fanboi

should be capital punishment for white collar offenses, where it's more likely to make a difference

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20051999)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 5:11 PM
Author: 180 site organic girlfriend

Would pwn at stopping jaywalking as well.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20052008)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 5:13 PM
Author: Stimulating School Cafeteria

just post snipers near crowded streets.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20052024)



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Date: February 26th, 2012 1:10 PM
Author: concupiscible sex offender

in all seriousness, the DP for minor drug offenses would be good. like singapore has. no violent nigs there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20058023)



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Date: July 27th, 2012 3:49 PM
Author: shimmering dashing reading party

(George Carlin)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#21191434)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 5:13 PM
Author: light macaca halford

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exonerated_death_row_inmates#United_States

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20052025)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 5:39 PM
Author: Thriller dead office

Who really gives a shit about some sps poli sci empirical studies.

Eye for an eye, retribution mother fucker.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20052196)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 5:52 PM
Author: twinkling disgusting property son of senegal

*Libs irate*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20052271)



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Date: February 26th, 2012 1:10 PM
Author: concupiscible sex offender

mfcr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20058025)



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Date: May 9th, 2012 12:55 PM
Author: Translucent vivacious old irish cottage stage

And what if there's a mistake?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20653014)



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Date: July 27th, 2012 7:26 PM
Author: Underhanded Tattoo

don't make a mistake.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#21193317)



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Date: July 27th, 2012 7:27 PM
Author: infuriating bawdyhouse generalized bond



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#21193325)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 6:48 PM
Author: dun tanning salon

the amount of litigation that goes into a single case is staggering. just fucking get rid of the whole system and throw the fuckers in jail for life.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20052719)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 6:50 PM
Author: primrose gas station blood rage

But what about Justice Harlan's cogent warning, "as bottomed on a fundamental value determination of our society that it is far worse to convict an innocent man than to let a guilty man go free."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20052731)



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Date: February 26th, 2012 12:00 PM
Author: primrose gas station blood rage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20057691)



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Date: February 26th, 2012 1:08 PM
Author: concupiscible sex offender

it's not about deterrence, it's about revenge.

hth!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20058011)



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Date: February 26th, 2012 1:20 PM
Author: beady-eyed electric furnace

I don't give a SHIT if the death penalty doesn't deter crime, if the death penalty is "cruel," if Europeans don't have the death penalty, etc., etc. The death penalty serves the ends of justice.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20058073)



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Date: April 17th, 2012 3:08 PM
Author: Bright hell

justice ends at conviction. retribution begins at sentencing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20483360)



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Date: April 17th, 2012 3:03 PM
Author: Lilac excitant locus volcanic crater

Too many people have been exonerated from death row. The desire for retribution for the most heinous crimes is an understandable sentiment, but the system is too flawed to support it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20483323)



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Date: July 27th, 2012 3:50 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac potus

Nonsense! Those "exonerations" are not findings of innocence. "Most are based on legal errors that have little or nothing to do with guilt."

Hi. I like the death penalty. It fulfills a basic need for society to cleanse itself through revenge.

I used to worry that the error rate was high. Guess what? it isn't.

"As a consequence of the sensitivity of the criminal justice system to the due-process rights of defendants sentenced to death, almost two-thirds of all death sentences are overturned. See ibid. “Virtually none” of these reversals, however, are attributable to a defendant’s “ ‘actual innocence.’ ” Ibid. Most are based on legal errors that have little or nothing to do with guilt. See id., at 519–520. The studies cited by the dissent demonstrate nothing more."

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/04-1170.ZC.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#21191437)



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Date: July 27th, 2012 7:28 PM
Author: Underhanded Tattoo

this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#21193338)



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Date: July 27th, 2012 8:27 PM
Author: outnumbered ticket booth

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#21193885)



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Date: May 9th, 2012 12:55 PM
Author: Charismatic set

The death penalty exists because of Charles Manson and Tim McVeigh.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20653016)



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Date: July 27th, 2012 3:47 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac potus
Subject: Non existent error rate with death penalty

Hi. I like the death penalty. It fulfills a basic need for society to cleanse itself through revenge.

I used to worry that the error rate was high. Guess what? it isn't.

"As a consequence of the sensitivity of the criminal justice system to the due-process rights of defendants sentenced to death, almost two-thirds of all death sentences are overturned. See ibid. “Virtually none” of these reversals, however, are attributable to a defendant’s “ ‘actual innocence.’ ” Ibid. Most are based on legal errors that have little or nothing to do with guilt. See id., at 519–520. The studies cited by the dissent demonstrate nothing more."

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/04-1170.ZC.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#21191416)



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Date: July 27th, 2012 7:32 PM
Author: Underhanded Tattoo

I've been to jail, it was a vacation.

the death penalty DOES deter crime. economists are morons who don't know how to do empirical research.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#21193360)



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Date: July 27th, 2012 7:36 PM
Author: Underhanded Tattoo

also LOL at nancy boy lawyer faggots who have never expirienced an act of violence of their life, thinking their opinions on these sort of issues are legit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#21193394)



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Date: July 27th, 2012 10:07 PM
Author: diverse copper temple gaping

Unless it causes people to commit more murder, it seems pretty credited. We don't punish criminals just to deter others.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#21194588)



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Date: July 27th, 2012 10:26 PM
Author: diverse copper temple gaping

Just throwing this out there... Chicago just recently lost the death penalty.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#21194677)



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Date: July 27th, 2012 10:37 PM
Author: Laughsome Bonkers Fortuitous Meteor

I don't believe that retribution should be a principle in administering justice, even if the prisoner morally deserves it, because this then becomes an inconsistent basis for determining a rightful punishment. A psychopath who guns down an innocent person, heinous as the act is, contributes much less to the overall misery of people than, say, a crooked Wall Street trader. Yet most people wouldn't argue for the latter to be put to death. Then we also have to start factoring in historical grievances, where proper compensation to victims is vague in its practicalities, and may be politically unpopular as well.

The goal should really be to remove dangerous people from society, and to help arrange a reasonable financial compensation when required. Helping the victims find 'closure' through the death penalty or whatever shouldn't be a part of a modern justice system.

Plus the state should restrict the amount of situations in which it finds itself having to enforce highly subjective and emotionally palatable decisions.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#21194746)



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Date: July 27th, 2012 10:40 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac potus

Even children understand revenge. Basic human need.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#21194770)



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Date: July 27th, 2012 10:49 PM
Author: Laughsome Bonkers Fortuitous Meteor

Yes, and its almost always a childish fantasy. I don't know how I'd feel if someone committed a crime on my family that was generally considered worthy of the death penalty, but the court should not exist to satisfy my personal revenge fantasy. It's there to enforce laws based on what is right for society as whole, otherwise, as I said, people could legitimately call for severe punishments in cases where we normally wouldn't find it warranted. There is always going to be a huge discrepancy between how the victim feels, and what the actual punishment is, to the point where, to me, it seems like an absurd basis for sentencing someone.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#21194807)



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Date: July 27th, 2012 11:55 PM
Author: diverse copper temple gaping

Explain how a Wall Street Trader causes more misery then a mass murderer? Please keep on minimizing the desire to see justice done by calling it "childish" and a "personal revenge fantasy" you fucking fake aspie robot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#21195335)



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Date: July 28th, 2012 12:30 AM
Author: Laughsome Bonkers Fortuitous Meteor

because the cumulative social suffering from irresponsible or unethical business practices is far greater and more dispersed than an isolated incident of murder.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#21195668)



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Date: July 28th, 2012 8:28 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac potus

Society demands revenge. It is cathartic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#21196557)



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Date: July 28th, 2012 8:38 AM
Author: Violet misanthropic roommate public bath

OP = Shitlib 1L furiously waiving his hand during crim law lecture, wondering why the professor can't see that his hand is raised.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#21196563)



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Date: July 28th, 2012 5:48 PM
Author: Underhanded Tattoo

FACT: only nancy boy faggots who have never expirienced violence in their life oppose the death penalty.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#21199908)