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Carmine hall
  03/26/12
how hot is patent law right now?
swashbuckling useless brakes
  03/26/12
pretty hot...tho I'm not a patent lawyer, although I can say...
Carmine hall
  03/26/12
do patent bros really care about undergrad major as much as ...
Shaky theater stage wrinkle
  03/26/12
at least at my company, almost all of our patent lawyers hav...
Carmine hall
  03/26/12
does it make you upset that the employees at the tech compan...
Alcoholic Shrine Philosopher-king
  03/26/12
i wouldn't necessarily say upset. but sometimes i do envy t...
Carmine hall
  03/26/12
Engineering: "We developed a disruptive communications...
Bateful stag film stock car
  03/27/12
are you married
Crystalline dysfunction kitchen
  03/26/12
yep...a little over a year now.
Carmine hall
  03/26/12
how pretty is your wife (1-10 scale). height, weight, eye c...
Crystalline dysfunction kitchen
  03/26/12
she's a legit 8. i know this board puts a heavy premium on ...
Carmine hall
  03/26/12
what nationality
Crystalline dysfunction kitchen
  03/26/12
korean
Carmine hall
  03/26/12
does she make bulgoki
Crystalline dysfunction kitchen
  03/26/12
yes, in addition to a bunch of other very solid korean dishe...
Carmine hall
  03/26/12
tits? what does she do?
Arrogant umber point
  03/26/12
very respectable for an azn girl. never was into sloppy whi...
Carmine hall
  03/26/12
nice. i like huge boobs tbh. huge cocks too. do u like Ds be...
Arrogant umber point
  03/26/12
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  07/01/18
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Razzle sticky crotch property
  07/01/18
Lol
Gay Up-to-no-good Sanctuary Athletic Conference
  07/01/18
Which season of Friday Night Lights is your favorite?
cordovan fear-inspiring macaca menage
  03/26/12
never watched it on the regular.
Carmine hall
  03/26/12
how big is the department / what kind of lawyers does it hir...
provocative violent people who are hurt boltzmann
  03/26/12
internationally, entire legal dept is over 400...prob half a...
Carmine hall
  03/26/12
what do the corporate guys do? do lawyers stay at the compa...
provocative violent people who are hurt boltzmann
  03/26/12
corporate primarily do m&a. however, they also do "...
Carmine hall
  03/26/12
equity? do you just means stocks?
Vibrant Stubborn Cuckoldry Puppy
  03/26/12
yeah...we get a certain # of stock grants per year.
Carmine hall
  03/26/12
what was your law experience prior to going in house best...
smoky concupiscible affirmative action
  03/26/12
i had 3.5 years in m&a/ip transactions. those groups ar...
Carmine hall
  03/26/12
do you know of people with experience in other corporate are...
provocative violent people who are hurt boltzmann
  03/26/12
How much does law school matter for prospective hires?
medicated blood rage
  03/26/12
matters less the farther out you get from school. however, ...
Carmine hall
  03/26/12
how much do you spend on groceries per month
Crystalline dysfunction kitchen
  03/26/12
Does your wife swallow?
Vermilion Garrison Brethren
  03/26/12
no.
Carmine hall
  03/26/12
answer my grocery bill question
Crystalline dysfunction kitchen
  03/26/12
see below
Carmine hall
  03/26/12
What's the deal--Does she not like to? You're not into it?
electric queen of the night persian
  03/26/12
not a ridic amount. between my wife and i probably around $...
Carmine hall
  03/26/12
break out your monthly income net of tax and expenses and de...
Crystalline dysfunction kitchen
  03/26/12
take in around 8.5k after taxes and 401k. rent is about $24...
Carmine hall
  03/26/12
your takehome is 8500? how is that possible, do you make $2...
Crystalline dysfunction kitchen
  03/26/12
yes, around there.
Carmine hall
  03/26/12
how many years out of law school are you
Crystalline dysfunction kitchen
  03/26/12
i would be a 5th year if i stayed at my firm
Carmine hall
  03/26/12
so, as in house counsel, you basically make the same salary ...
Crystalline dysfunction kitchen
  03/26/12
more or less yes. though law firm comp is on a much steeper...
Carmine hall
  03/26/12
how much do law school grades play a part in the interview p...
Burgundy market digit ratio
  03/26/12
i think they matter. however, my company cares a lot more a...
Carmine hall
  03/26/12
what about UG grades?
provocative violent people who are hurt boltzmann
  03/26/12
they asked for transcript, though i don't think they even lo...
Carmine hall
  03/26/12
before or after interviews? mine is a fucking trainwreck, b...
provocative violent people who are hurt boltzmann
  03/26/12
must have been pretty late in the game before they asked for...
Carmine hall
  03/26/12
would an interviewer at your company, assuming i phrased it ...
Burgundy market digit ratio
  03/26/12
sure. i mean, it all depends on how you spin it. and if yo...
Carmine hall
  03/26/12
do you understand what that means though? "better fi...
Vibrant Stubborn Cuckoldry Puppy
  03/26/12
eh, yes and no. it's a pretty laid back group we have here,...
Carmine hall
  03/26/12
i guess what im saying is not being considered a "good ...
Vibrant Stubborn Cuckoldry Puppy
  03/26/12
lol uvt. i sense ur not a "good fit" for most ppl
Arrogant umber point
  03/26/12
Greetings, (guy who doesn't know fuck about shit)
insecure chapel
  03/26/12
have you ever been on a hiring committee (or participated in...
Carmine hall
  03/26/12
DESCRIBE the biglaw douchey persona
Burgundy market digit ratio
  03/26/12
i actually didn't think he was that bad, but he's def not th...
Carmine hall
  03/26/12
How much does the law firm itself matter among prospective h...
medicated blood rage
  03/26/12
I think firm matters a decent amount. I came from V10, and ...
Carmine hall
  03/26/12
Thanks, brother. Two last questions: Going along with the...
medicated blood rage
  03/26/12
I know that fenwick doesn't have a very prestigious vault ra...
Carmine hall
  03/26/12
what about MoFo?
Plum thriller stage friendly grandma
  03/27/12
Quinn has no corporate department
Crystalline dysfunction kitchen
  03/26/12
right...quinn ppl are on our lit team.
Carmine hall
  03/26/12
what does your lit team do
Crystalline dysfunction kitchen
  03/26/12
litigate.
Carmine hall
  03/26/12
LOL at Quinn being a regional firm.
federal turdskin
  03/26/12
what are your hours like? any perks? as another poaster aske...
Plum thriller stage friendly grandma
  03/26/12
Hours are generally stable. I'm in the office by 8:30 and l...
Carmine hall
  03/26/12
so you work 8:30-4 but get paid the same as a 5th year bigla...
Crystalline dysfunction kitchen
  03/26/12
I'm in the office from 8:30-4ish. I work with a good amount...
Carmine hall
  03/26/12
2L at a T10 school, below median, applying for summer positi...
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  03/27/12
dead giveaway as to your sillly homoflame: it's "in hou...
contagious resort masturbator
  03/26/12
pretty sure i have it right in the thread title dooder.
Carmine hall
  03/26/12
180
Arrogant umber point
  03/26/12
How much do you make, all in? How much does the general...
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  05/24/13
Given your commute time + legal dept size + no mention of ta...
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  05/24/13
or Microsoft or amazon or oracle. im guessing Oracle. the...
Vibrant Stubborn Cuckoldry Puppy
  05/24/13
From SF, Oracle isn't even past Palo Alto. Company, I'm ass...
glittery personal credit line organic girlfriend
  05/24/13
where do you live?
pea-brained pit
  05/24/13
Still taking questions
Carmine hall
  07/01/18
Have you gotten promoted since first making this thread?
Cracking chocolate parlour
  07/01/18
Does your wife still not swallow?
Razzle sticky crotch property
  07/01/18


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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:24 AM
Author: Carmine hall

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298597)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:25 AM
Author: swashbuckling useless brakes

how hot is patent law right now?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298612)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:26 AM
Author: Carmine hall

pretty hot...tho I'm not a patent lawyer, although I can say our patent group has grown by over 100% in the last 1.5 years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298623)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:30 AM
Author: Shaky theater stage wrinkle

do patent bros really care about undergrad major as much as they claim to do, or is it more about just having the reg #

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298675)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:36 AM
Author: Carmine hall

at least at my company, almost all of our patent lawyers have a hard technical background, i.e., ee, cs...and most have undergrad and advanced degrees in these fields. so, i would say that they actually put a heavy premium on this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298759)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:25 AM
Author: Alcoholic Shrine Philosopher-king

does it make you upset that the employees at the tech company are innovating and actually producing products/services of value, yet all you do is push paper all day?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298609)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:27 AM
Author: Carmine hall

i wouldn't necessarily say upset. but sometimes i do envy the engineers at the company. some legal groups have noted the tension between lawyers and engineers, but i haven't really experienced it myself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298635)



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Date: March 27th, 2012 7:39 AM
Author: Bateful stag film stock car

Engineering: "We developed a disruptive communications system that beams information directly into the brain at Terahertz bandwidth. It also has the added benefit of increasing life expectancy by 100 years."

Legal: "You can't proceed with this until we get certification from the FCC and FDA. You also need to get explicit consent from each party for privacy concerns and copyright protection"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20311195)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:26 AM
Author: Crystalline dysfunction kitchen

are you married

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298615)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:28 AM
Author: Carmine hall

yep...a little over a year now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298644)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:29 AM
Author: Crystalline dysfunction kitchen

how pretty is your wife (1-10 scale). height, weight, eye color, hair color.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298656)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:38 AM
Author: Carmine hall

she's a legit 8. i know this board puts a heavy premium on white girls, but my wife is azn. about 5'6, 115lbs. i left a very attractive white girl to date my wife.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298781)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:39 AM
Author: Crystalline dysfunction kitchen

what nationality

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298788)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:52 AM
Author: Carmine hall

korean

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298933)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:55 AM
Author: Crystalline dysfunction kitchen

does she make bulgoki

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298965)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:12 AM
Author: Carmine hall

yes, in addition to a bunch of other very solid korean dishes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20299107)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:18 PM
Author: Arrogant umber point

tits? what does she do?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20303138)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:22 PM
Author: Carmine hall

very respectable for an azn girl. never was into sloppy white girl boobs - more of an ass man.

she's a teacher.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20303160)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:27 PM
Author: Arrogant umber point

nice. i like huge boobs tbh. huge cocks too. do u like Ds better than Bs? DDs better than As? what kinds of cock do u like best (taste, shape, size, species etc.)?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20303193)



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Date: May 24th, 2013 12:33 AM
Author: Pearl Hateful Whorehouse Deer Antler



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Date: May 24th, 2013 12:55 AM
Author: sick vivacious kitty



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Date: May 24th, 2013 1:07 AM
Author: Tantric public bath love of her life



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Date: May 24th, 2013 12:50 PM
Author: Primrose parlor mental disorder



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#23261766)



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Date: July 1st, 2018 4:05 AM
Author: Beady-eyed antidepressant drug



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Date: July 1st, 2018 4:36 AM
Author: Razzle sticky crotch property



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Date: July 1st, 2018 4:43 AM
Author: Gay Up-to-no-good Sanctuary Athletic Conference

Lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#36343908)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:26 AM
Author: cordovan fear-inspiring macaca menage

Which season of Friday Night Lights is your favorite?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298617)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:28 AM
Author: Carmine hall

never watched it on the regular.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298647)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:26 AM
Author: provocative violent people who are hurt boltzmann

how big is the department / what kind of lawyers does it hire / what salaries do people earn / how long do people stay / what do you do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298621)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:34 AM
Author: Carmine hall

internationally, entire legal dept is over 400...prob half attorneys. We hire all kinds of attorneys, though i would say primarily, patent lit, ip transactional, corporate and employment.

Salaries are somewhat of a mystery, at least within the legal dept. definitely different than in a firm where you know basically what everyone else makes. For me, compensation is actually not that far off from my level at biglaw (considering my comp now is salary, annual bonus and equity). I left after 3.5 years. I do general ip transactional/licensing work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298731)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:40 AM
Author: provocative violent people who are hurt boltzmann

what do the corporate guys do? do lawyers stay at the company for a long time? do people come in from all over the country, or is it mostly people who've been working in the area?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298802)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:55 AM
Author: Carmine hall

corporate primarily do m&a. however, they also do "general commercial" work, which is tied to certain products. this can include agreements with vendors, licensing for the products, etc.

lawyers here seem to stay for a while. those that have gone have left for other large tech companies (some have left and come back).

people do come from all over the country, as well as internationally. i relocated to the bay to work for the company.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298959)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:44 AM
Author: Vibrant Stubborn Cuckoldry Puppy

equity? do you just means stocks?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298846)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:46 AM
Author: Carmine hall

yeah...we get a certain # of stock grants per year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298876)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:29 AM
Author: smoky concupiscible affirmative action

what was your law experience prior to going in house

best practice area to get inhouse gig at corp?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298660)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:41 AM
Author: Carmine hall

i had 3.5 years in m&a/ip transactions. those groups are pretty solid if you want to go in house at a tech company, plus patent lit obviously.

But if you want to go in house at any corp, i would say corp, tax, employment and regulatory are pretty solid practice areas. i was surprised to see the number of govt lawyers at our company, though these ppl held pretty high offices in their respective govt agency.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298809)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:32 AM
Author: provocative violent people who are hurt boltzmann

do you know of people with experience in other corporate areas (like capital markets/corporate finance)?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20299277)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:30 AM
Author: medicated blood rage

How much does law school matter for prospective hires?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298672)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:43 AM
Author: Carmine hall

matters less the farther out you get from school. however, i would say that the vast majority of attorneys here are from t14 (and of these high # from stanford, harvard, NU and boalt). however, school is not determinative. one of the most respected atty's in our department came from santa clara u.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298835)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:30 AM
Author: Crystalline dysfunction kitchen

how much do you spend on groceries per month

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298676)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:40 AM
Author: Vermilion Garrison Brethren

Does your wife swallow?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298800)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:43 AM
Author: Carmine hall

no.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298842)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:44 AM
Author: Crystalline dysfunction kitchen

answer my grocery bill question

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298850)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:45 AM
Author: Carmine hall

see below

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298860)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:50 PM
Author: electric queen of the night persian

What's the deal--Does she not like to? You're not into it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20303299)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:44 AM
Author: Carmine hall

not a ridic amount. between my wife and i probably around $80-100 per week, and we eat a lot of meals at home. buy most of our groceries at farmers markets...one of the pluses of living in the bay.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298855)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:46 AM
Author: Crystalline dysfunction kitchen

break out your monthly income net of tax and expenses and debt payments

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298875)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:51 AM
Author: Carmine hall

take in around 8.5k after taxes and 401k. rent is about $2400. other misc expenses are about $1600. i will finish my loans in the next 6 mos. I have about 20K left and i generally pay around $3k per month towards the loans. no other debt.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298923)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:54 AM
Author: Crystalline dysfunction kitchen

your takehome is 8500? how is that possible, do you make $200K a year?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298958)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:55 AM
Author: Carmine hall

yes, around there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298968)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:56 AM
Author: Crystalline dysfunction kitchen

how many years out of law school are you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20298972)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 12:59 AM
Author: Carmine hall

i would be a 5th year if i stayed at my firm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20299000)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:00 AM
Author: Crystalline dysfunction kitchen

so, as in house counsel, you basically make the same salary as a 5th year biglaw associate?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20299005)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:10 AM
Author: Carmine hall

more or less yes. though law firm comp is on a much steeper curve as you continue to progress. it is much flatter here, i.e., i don't foresee any huge increases in salary in the next few years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20299100)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:21 AM
Author: Burgundy market digit ratio

how much do law school grades play a part in the interview process? I had fucking fantastic 1L grades at a CCN (junior at v10 now), then completely took a disgusting and obvious shit all over my transcript 2/3L. how fucked?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20299191)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:27 AM
Author: Carmine hall

i think they matter. however, my company cares a lot more about grades than they should. i would say generally speaking, the primary factors are 1) experience 2) personality/fit 3) law school 4) grades (matter of importance in that order).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20299238)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:31 AM
Author: provocative violent people who are hurt boltzmann

what about UG grades?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20299268)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:41 AM
Author: Carmine hall

they asked for transcript, though i don't think they even looked at it. also, my undergrad grades were not spectacular at all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20299359)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:43 AM
Author: provocative violent people who are hurt boltzmann

before or after interviews? mine is a fucking trainwreck, but i'm otherwise preftigious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20299381)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:48 AM
Author: Carmine hall

must have been pretty late in the game before they asked for UG transcripts. at least after the first couple of rounds of interviews.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20299427)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:33 AM
Author: Burgundy market digit ratio

would an interviewer at your company, assuming i phrased it appropriately, at least respect the fact that, by putting forth minimal effort in 2/3L, i was acting rationally in that after 2L oci i lost all incentive to be a competitive asshole just to ensure a job at graduation?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20299291)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:47 AM
Author: Carmine hall

sure. i mean, it all depends on how you spin it. and if you were particularly strong in the other factors i mentioned, i.e. had good experience for the position you were interviewing for and your interviewers liked you personally, then i think it could be overlooked (or at least considered less).

Put it this way, a few months after I started working here, one of the attorneys who interviewed me told me that in the end, the position came down to me and this guy who actually was at my firm and in the same practice group (though at a different office). He came from a higher ranked school than me and graduated magna (I was cum laude). The attorney said that it was a pretty easy choice to pick me over him b/c people just seemed to think that I was a better fit for the group. I didn't know the other guy that they were considering that well, but he definitely came across as biglaw douchey in the times I met him.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20299418)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:51 AM
Author: Vibrant Stubborn Cuckoldry Puppy

do you understand what that means though?

"better fit" is corporate talk that means you are more like a corporate drone who will act like a cog in the machine and not quit when something more interesting/exciting comes along.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20299456)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:54 AM
Author: Carmine hall

eh, yes and no. it's a pretty laid back group we have here, and we actually hang out outside of work. i could see how a pretentious dbag could be easily dinged regardless of prestige on paper.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20299483)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 4:03 AM
Author: Vibrant Stubborn Cuckoldry Puppy

i guess what im saying is not being considered a "good fit" by some interviewers may not be a bad thing. they don't look for charisma, or whatever in a lot of these positions, they just want people who will do what they are told and are ok with their corporate culture.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20300165)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:18 PM
Author: Arrogant umber point

lol uvt. i sense ur not a "good fit" for most ppl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20303142)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 4:14 PM
Author: insecure chapel

Greetings,

(guy who doesn't know fuck about shit)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20304081)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 5:10 PM
Author: Carmine hall

have you ever been on a hiring committee (or participated in a meeting)? Guarantee that the first question asked about a candidate is whether people liked him/her...not, 'will he do as we tell him' or 'do you think he's gonna bail'.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20304494)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 2:19 AM
Author: Burgundy market digit ratio

DESCRIBE the biglaw douchey persona

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20299687)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:08 PM
Author: Carmine hall

i actually didn't think he was that bad, but he's def not the type of dude i would want to hang out with outside of work, though I only met him in person a handful of times. I worked on a few deals with him when I was a first and second year, and he was a year ahead of me. I remember he was kinda douchey on internal conference calls, i.e. when the partner would ask him to do something, he would say things like, "got it, big guy". And he would volunteer to do work when it really wasn't necessary, for example, i remember a deal we were on, he volunteered to draft and put together all of the sig pages for the deal docs like weeks ahead of closing. It was pretty clear that entities would be changing, and it was way too early to do sig pages b/c they would have to be redone anyway. i think he just wanted to gun and show the partners that he was down to do the stupid busy work. I just felt like he was the type of person that tried really hard to be cool and to ingratiate himself with the higher ups, though it would come off as forced and inauthentic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20303067)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 3:51 AM
Author: medicated blood rage

How much does the law firm itself matter among prospective hires; i.e., V10 v. V50 etc.? Are there specific firms that are more desirable?

Also, what's the shortest time from law school your department would consider hiring someone?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20300092)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:15 PM
Author: Carmine hall

I think firm matters a decent amount. I came from V10, and there are a good amount of people from similar firms here - most of the people from my group left corp depts at Wachtell/Cravath/Cleary. There are also many people from good regional firms, i.e. Wilson, Cooley, Quinn. Many of the patent guys are from respected patent boutiques, though I wasn't really that familiar with these firms prior to coming here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20303123)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:51 PM
Author: medicated blood rage

Thanks, brother. Two last questions:

Going along with the above--any opinion on Fenwick & West?

Also, how many people usually apply for any one position that opens up? Are there any sneaky ways to back-door a position?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20303303)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 5:08 PM
Author: Carmine hall

I know that fenwick doesn't have a very prestigious vault ranking, but they are highly thought of in SV. Since they serve many clients here, it is pretty easy for them to transition in-house to tech companies. I know a number of ex-fenwick people at other tech companies here.

No idea how many people apply for any one position. I got the job after an internal recruiter called me (i wasn't actively looking to leave the firm at the time). I know that we put a premium on candidate referrals, so any contacts you have at a given company (legal or not) would probably be the best way to get your foot in the door. Also, the in-house community in SV isn't really that big. Many people transition between companies, and for whatever reason, internal recruiters like people with previous in-house experience. So, even if the job with your dream company isn't available at the moment, it could be advantageous to take a job with smaller similar companies in the same region, i.e. I know people at our company that have come from places like Adobe, Intuit, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20304470)



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Date: March 27th, 2012 6:04 AM
Author: Plum thriller stage friendly grandma

what about MoFo?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20311153)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:53 PM
Author: Crystalline dysfunction kitchen

Quinn has no corporate department

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20303312)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 3:00 PM
Author: Carmine hall

right...quinn ppl are on our lit team.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20303675)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 3:37 PM
Author: Crystalline dysfunction kitchen

what does your lit team do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20303863)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 5:13 PM
Author: Carmine hall

litigate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20304509)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 3:35 PM
Author: federal turdskin

LOL at Quinn being a regional firm.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20303859)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 4:06 AM
Author: Plum thriller stage friendly grandma

what are your hours like? any perks? as another poaster asked, what about biglaw bros with a finance/cap markets background?

brother, you are living the dream, fuck my ass.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20300183)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:20 PM
Author: Carmine hall

Hours are generally stable. I'm in the office by 8:30 and leave by 4ish to try to beat traffic back to the city. Will get most of my work done before then...but I'll usually answer a few emails during the evening. Our office is usually cleared out by 5:30-6. I usually work out during lunch.

One telling example of how my post-firm life is different, is that about 6 months after I started working here, I had some late meetings and didn't get home til like 8pm, and my wife was like, 'wtf, you're home so late'; whereas at the firm, 8pm was an early day.

[edit to address your other question]

Haven't met that many finance/cap markets people here. our company is sitting on a ridiculous amount of cash and does virtually no financing transactions. however, i do know one guy that came from a firm and he did primarily real estate finance prior to coming here. he works with our corp real estate group here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20303149)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 3:38 PM
Author: Crystalline dysfunction kitchen

so you work 8:30-4 but get paid the same as a 5th year biglaw associate?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20303867)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 5:21 PM
Author: Carmine hall

I'm in the office from 8:30-4ish. I work with a good amount of people in New York, so I will generally do maybe an hour of work prior to coming into the office since they're 3 hours ahead of me (mostly respond to emails)...and I will do about an hour of work after I get home.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20304558)



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Date: March 27th, 2012 2:08 PM
Author: Topaz trump supporter

2L at a T10 school, below median, applying for summer positions working in the legal department of some major companies, many of them tech companies. I have no background in IP law and have not taken any courses in that area. Do you have any recommendations on how to show an interest in IP law via my cover letter when applying and also just any general recommendations on how to best sell myself for positions like these? Further background, most of my 2L courses have been transaction-heavy courses

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20313097)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 4:27 AM
Author: contagious resort masturbator

dead giveaway as to your sillly homoflame: it's "in house counsel," not "in house council" (as you have in your thread title)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20300288)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:21 PM
Author: Carmine hall

pretty sure i have it right in the thread title dooder.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20303152)



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Date: March 26th, 2012 1:27 PM
Author: Arrogant umber point

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#20303197)



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Date: May 24th, 2013 1:37 AM
Author: rambunctious peach filthpig locale

How much do you make, all in?

How much does the general counsel make?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#23259555)



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Date: May 24th, 2013 12:43 PM
Author: glittery personal credit line organic girlfriend

Given your commute time + legal dept size + no mention of taking a bus from the city (Apple, Google, Facebook) then I'm guessing...Intel?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#23261737)



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Date: May 24th, 2013 12:47 PM
Author: Vibrant Stubborn Cuckoldry Puppy

or Microsoft or amazon or oracle.

im guessing Oracle. they have a lot of lawyers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#23261755)



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Date: May 24th, 2013 2:05 PM
Author: glittery personal credit line organic girlfriend

From SF, Oracle isn't even past Palo Alto. Company, I'm assuming is PA or further towards San Jose. I don't think MS or Amazon have their legal departments out here, but I could be wrong.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#23262188)



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Date: May 24th, 2013 2:06 PM
Author: pea-brained pit

where do you live?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#23262194)



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Date: July 1st, 2018 4:02 AM
Author: Carmine hall

Still taking questions

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#36343874)



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Date: July 1st, 2018 4:05 AM
Author: Cracking chocolate parlour

Have you gotten promoted since first making this thread?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#36343877)



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Date: July 1st, 2018 4:53 AM
Author: Razzle sticky crotch property

Does your wife still not swallow?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1907802&forum_id=2#36343923)