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ROFL. So the shitlib argument against zimmerman is...
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Date: April 14th, 2012 1:13 PM Author: soul-stirring rough-skinned abode Because he "profiled" Trayvon as a criminal and disregarded dispatch "orders" (never mind we have no evidence he disregarded) he provoked Trayvon and Trayvon was justified in assaulting him.
Just lol shitlibs.
*Wants to create a world where conscientious neighbors open themselves up to violent assault with no recourse to self defense simply by watching suspicious people and reporting to police* |
Date: April 14th, 2012 1:14 PM Author: Low-t coffee pot ...BUT ZIMMERMAN WAS LIKE 280 LBS, AND LITTLE TRAYVON WAS 150 LBS LESS!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461003) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 1:25 PM Author: jet-lagged duck-like affirmative action from the affidavit: "When the police dispatcher realized Zimmerman was pursuing Martin, he instructed Zimmerman not to do that and that the responding officer would meet him."
That word "instructed" is just a lie.
“Okay, we don't need you to do that,” is what the dispatcher actually said.
Even if the dispatcher had used the word "instructed," which he didn't, as a matter of law the dispatcher has no power to instruct anyone.
The judge should strike the affidavit as being false. |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 1:36 PM Author: flushed private investor shitlibs do not care man. this is about a "larger truth" for them (supposed white vigilantism against black criminals). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461097) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 1:38 PM Author: big meetinghouse And by white they actually mean Mocha Brown (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461109) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 1:48 PM Author: house-broken cordovan mexican range (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461184) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 1:35 PM Author: house-broken cordovan mexican range The central tenant of modern liberalism/the left is that private citizens should surrender all power and autonomy over to the state. Zimmerman exercised autonomy by disregarding the officer's advice. Therefore, the left wants him be punished. The fact that the victim was black or whatever is just a convenient fact that can be used to rile up populist support among their base. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461091) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 1:37 PM Author: flushed private investor Yup. Libs HATE anything that gives people autonomy and power separate from the government. Which is why they're using this to lobby against self defense laws (just lol). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461100) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 1:38 PM Author: Effete Newt Water Buffalo IT WASNT EVEN AN OFFICER. IT WAS A FUCKING SCHOOLMARM 9/11 OPERATOR. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461110) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 1:39 PM Author: flushed private investor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461119) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 1:44 PM Author: house-broken cordovan mexican range In modern liberalism "officer" means "officer of the state" or "officer acting under the color of state law." Moreover, "state" is interpreted broadly, rather than in federalism terms. In the liberal state, all people work for, exclusively produce for and sell to at prices dictated by, and either way ultimately depend on the ultimate monopoly power of the State. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461149) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 2:30 PM Author: big meetinghouse lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461485) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 2:46 PM Author: house-broken cordovan mexican range "liberalism" is meant as used by the progressives, not the original Lockean ideal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461561) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:51 PM Author: crawly alpha fortuitous meteor does the central tenant have a co-tenant (like a tenancy in common) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461998) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 2:34 PM Author: topaz institution new version Zimmerman sucking Obama's American BBC (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461501) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 2:36 PM Author: racy public bath The undisputed facts of the case are that a young black man was walking down the street unarmed, and that an older white man shot him point blank in the chest with a concealed 9mm pistol.
Please explain why, retardishitcans, you've come to the conclusion that no murder investigation is appropriate. tyvmia. |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 2:39 PM Author: jet-lagged duck-like affirmative action a *homicide* investigation isn't just appropriate, it's required. (a "murder investigation" is an oxymoron; you investigate homicides to see if they're murders.)
but your description of the facts is quite a bit thinner than the undisputed facts. just about every justified self-defense can be made to look bad using your technique. |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 2:52 PM Author: racy public bath Are there other facts that both sides have stipulated to? If so, I'm unaware of them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461606) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 2:54 PM Author: jet-lagged duck-like affirmative action "stipulations" can't exist yet in the case, as you should know. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461611) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 2:57 PM Author: racy public bath To the extent that statements have been made in the public record and to news agencies, which will be admissible to impeach Zimmerman if he claims otherwise at trial, they certainly can exist. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461641) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:04 PM Author: jet-lagged duck-like affirmative action those aren't "stipulations."
but if we want to talk about facts that just can't be denied, we already know that Zimmerman called the cops, that Zimmerman was injured on the front and back of his head, that the funeral parlor owner said that Trayvon showed no injuries, that the cops recorded Zimmerman's injuries as well as grass and wet stains on Zimmerman's back, that the EMTs looked over Zimmerman's injuries (as did the police in that video), that an eye witness has stated on multiple occasions that the eventual shooter was on his back and the eventual dead guy was "pummeling" the eventual shooter and that the eventual shooter was crying out for help, and so on. so your statement of the facts is barely even a caricature. |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:06 PM Author: racy public bath 6AMDPWN3D
Go directly to 0L hell. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200. |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:08 PM Author: appetizing whorehouse You got styled on and then posted some internet gibberish. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461722) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:10 PM Author: racy public bath Nice alternate moniker bro. Are you a doski? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461730) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:12 PM Author: topaz institution new version lol u mad bro? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461753) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:16 PM Author: appetizing whorehouse LOL more gibberish from this guy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461783) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 2:41 PM Author: soul-stirring rough-skinned abode Investigation was appropriate. Originally cops and DA, after looking a Zim, talking to him, and speaking to witnesses, concluded that under Florida law there was bot probable cause for an arrest.
This was politically unpopular, so the governor appointed a special prosecutor to get the results that would placate the angry mob.
It's clear from the affidavit they have nothing good on Zim, and a good judge would throw this case out. |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 2:56 PM Author: racy public bath I disagree that they have nothing. They guy pursued another human being and shot him in the chest. Witnesses heard Trayvon yelling for help (forensic evidence confirms it was not Zimmerman). Zimmerman has a history of racially charged incidents (which will almost assuredly be admissible).
Do I think it's a slam dunk? No. But it's not nothing. |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 2:59 PM Author: topaz institution new version Lol, the liberal echo machine lives on.
When you can't even get your facts straight.. |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:03 PM Author: racy public bath If you have an issue with the facts I have presented, you should feel free to challenge individual ones and provide evidence to support your presumptions and/or ask for evidence to support mine.
However, babbling on in generalizations and insults is unreasonable and will not be tolerated. |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:15 PM Author: turquoise point (retard who posts completely backwards lies without evidence, then demands evidence from people who know what they're talking about) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461771) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:26 PM Author: racy public bath Until a few moments ago, I was the only one in this thread to link to an external source. Your assertion that I provide no evidence is... defiant to reality. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461855) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:08 PM Author: Underhanded sandwich ROFL. Link to credible forensic evidence confirming that the scream wasn't from Zimmerman? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461721) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:09 PM Author: racy public bath http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/04/02/forensics-experts-zimmerman-was-not-screaming-for-help-in-911-call/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/screams-on-911-call-not-zimmermans-forensic-expert-says/2012/04/01/gIQAGHNupS_story.html |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:11 PM Author: big meetinghouse you realize that those so-called "forensic voice experts" got shat on a couple days after, right? Notice how your stuff is from 2 weeks ago? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461743) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:13 PM Author: racy public bath I am under the impression that mature intelligent individuals provide evidence and citations for their assertions. Is that not how it works here? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461764) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:15 PM Author: turquoise point (guy who obviously already googled it and carefully selected 3 old articles that have been proven false) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461781) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:18 PM Author: racy public bath I copied the first couple results from news sources I believe are widely considered credible. Again, if you have anything contradicting it, you are free to post it here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461797) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:22 PM Author: big meetinghouse link below destorys and credibility of those "audio experts" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461830) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:24 PM Author: turquoise point How convenient that the first few happened to be old, disproven articles from the same sources that have been posting pics of 11 year old Baby Tray for weeks and pushing the edited 911 phone call designed to make Zim sound racist. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461844) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:19 PM Author: big meetinghouse http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/about-those-audio-forsenic-experts
Dude there is tons of shit out there. Notice how ALL those articles are from the 1st or 2nd and not after? |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:23 PM Author: racy public bath What is wagist? A source that conflates "reasonable scientific certainty" with "beyond scientific certainty" is not credible. A source that criticizes an expert for using tools of his own making is not credible. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461835) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:33 PM Author: big meetinghouse You posted articles from sources which show the "victim" as a 12 year old and you are telling me about credible sources?
Also, an expert selling his own tool has a big motivation for going on national news by making a big claim in order to profit.
Finally, read the article. |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:38 PM Author: racy public bath The expert could just as easily have claimed the opposite, particularly given the racial gap in the subject matter. If he really were trying to peddle his software via dishonest analysis to get rich people to buy his software, why side with the African Americans? Your innuendo of impropriety is completely illogical, not to mention stupid for other reasons. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461929) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:47 PM Author: big meetinghouse Yes, he could have, and if he did I would also say that we should not trust him. How fucking hard is it to understand that this is not about "Oh he gave me an answer I don't like, well fuck him", rather it is about shitty analysis that has zero legitimacy due to a number of factors (described in the article), not the least of which is that they have no Trayvvon comparison. Tack on top of that that there is clear financial incentive for this dood to not do the right thing (which would be to admit his system is not accurate enough to claim either way). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461971) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:54 PM Author: alcoholic comical pit kind of funny that they found an approximate 50% likelihood that the screams were not Zimmerman's when there were only 2 voices in question
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Date: April 14th, 2012 4:07 PM Author: big meetinghouse ____________________________________________________________
Kind of funny that if you were not such a fucking moron you would know that they did not have Tray's voice so the >50% match claim was made in the vaccuum. If Zimmerman was in the sealed room alone with just a mic and he screamed these so-called experts would say that the "chance it was his scream is under 50%". The point is, even if his matching softwar was actually legitimate (it aint), the "%" needs to be put in the context of the situation. With only two possible people, you NEED to have the second in order to make any assesment. What happens if they plugged Tray's voice in and found that his was only a 5% match (in comparison to Zim's 48% or w.e)? Anyone with half a brain would realize than that the odds Zim screamed are VERY high, even if the match was "only" 48%.
Your type of stupidity pains me. |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 4:16 PM Author: hot zombie-like persian home Greetings, Bro if I'm reading this thread correctly, I think you and the dood you're responding to agree that the audio analysis done by this shitlib boomer attention whores was -120. |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 4:19 PM Author: big meetinghouse bah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20462146) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 4:17 PM Author: alcoholic comical pit wow rage on little breh, I knew that, just pointing out that it's off-handedly amusing if you don't take into consideration the full meaning of the test.
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Date: April 14th, 2012 4:19 PM Author: big meetinghouse fuck me sorry. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20462144) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:48 PM Author: ruddy main people hunting ground Let's compare the raw credentials of Tom Owens to this actual expert:
Dr. James L. Wayman Biography Dr. Jim Wayman is a research administrator in the Office of Graduate Studies and Research at San Jose State University He received the Ph.D. degree in engineering in 1980 from the University of California, Santa Barbara. In the 1980s, under contract to the U.S. Department of Defense, he invented and developed a biometric authentication technology based on the acoustic resonances of the human head. He joined San Jose State University in 1995 to direct the Biometric Identification Research Program, serving as Director of the U.S. National Biometric Test Center at San Jose State from 1997-2000. He is co-editor of J.Wayman, A. Jain, D. Maltoni and D.Maio (eds) Biometric Systems (Springer, London, 2005), a Fellow of the British Institution of Engineering and Technology, U.K. "Head of Delegation Working Group 1" on the ISO/IEC JTC1 SC37 standards committee on biometrics, a "core member" of the U.K. Biometrics Working Group, and a member Biometrics Experts Committee of the U.K. Home Office. He is a member of the U.S. National Academies of Science/National Research Council Committee "Whither Biometrics?", the NRC Panel on Information Technology, and previously served on the NRC "Authentication Technologies and their Implications for Privacy" committee. He is an honorary Professor of Electronics at the University of Kent, holds 4 patents in speech processing and has served as a paid biometrics advisor to 8 national governments.
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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:33 PM Author: appetizing whorehouse Who cares who wagist is? Exactly what did they say that was wrong? Stay on topic, lil breh. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461903) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:39 PM Author: racy public bath I take the liberty to remind you that the current topic is credibility of sources. You do not get to miracle away the fact that YOU are subject to that same test. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461932) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:42 PM Author: appetizing whorehouse No the topic at hand is evidence of who screamed on the 911 tape. You asked for a link, got one, and instead of attacking the merit of the argument in the link, you attacked the credibility of the website. Change monikers and rerun your schtick because you've been exposed as someone who isn't interested in debating facts, but would rather throw out logical fallacies. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461944) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:48 PM Author: big meetinghouse He was also raped below. Idiot does not learn his lesson. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461978) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 2:48 PM Author: swollen bonkers keepsake machete The issue is not whether an investigation was appropriate, but whether an arrest was appropriate. Florida law does not allow an arrest unless there is PC to believe he was not acting in self-defense, as defined in Florida law, NOT as defined in your shitlib mind.
I posted the relevant parts of the statute here: http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923726&mc=1&forum_id=2 |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:01 PM Author: racy public bath The charges were filed, which means PC has already been established. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461668) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:02 PM Author: topaz institution new version cool circular argument bro
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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:04 PM Author: racy public bath ... are you seriously contending that an arrest has to be made before charges are filed? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461686) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:14 PM Author: topaz institution new version Are you seriously this retared? Your argument was "well, they arrested him. they couldn't possibly have arrested him without legitimate probable cause; therefore, probable cause has been established." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461768) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:24 PM Author: jet-lagged duck-like affirmative action he's just wrong. nothing to argue about here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461846) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:27 PM Author: racy public bath I never made this argument. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461869) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 4:08 PM Author: swollen bonkers keepsake machete Date: April 14th, 2012 3:01 PM Author: fscknut
The charges were filed, which means PC has already been established.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461668) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 4:33 PM Author: sexy church severe pwnage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20462214) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:05 PM Author: jet-lagged duck-like affirmative action False. It's just a partisan assertion of PC which can now be challenged. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461693) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:08 PM Author: racy public bath Is that how it works in FL? In jurisdictions where I have done criminal work you have to establish at prelim before felony charges can actually be charged.
If you're correct then I retract what I said above. |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:10 PM Author: jet-lagged duck-like affirmative action Yeah, based on what I've read, the defense can either move straight to trial or can insist on a preliminary. Defendants always get a GJ or a preliminary for felonies. The prosecution had to use a GJ only for murder one, so they went the easier route of providing a PCA for murder two. But now the defense can basically do a whole trial, including putting on GZ, to challenge the existence of PC. They can also file a motion to strike the affidavit, but I have no idea how successful that will be. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461732) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:11 PM Author: swollen bonkers keepsake machete So every time an action that requires PC takes place, PC has been established? Why does evidence get suppressed for 4th amendment violations? Shouldn't the fact they did the search mean PC has already been established? I can't decide whether you're flame or just not making yourself clear. Clarify, pleas. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461741) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:12 PM Author: jet-lagged duck-like affirmative action he's just wrong on this. no need to push further. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20461757) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:54 PM Author: crawly alpha fortuitous meteor and by "wrong," you mean "right," right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20462015) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 5:58 PM Author: jet-lagged duck-like affirmative action he said so himself: "If you're correct then I retract what I said above." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20462778) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 4:15 PM Author: hot zombie-like persian home Greetings, To be fair, you started off arguing that government officials cannot be trusted, and now government officials' trustworthiness is your basis for making the claim that PC was established. |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:53 PM Author: crawly alpha fortuitous meteor hey zimms - see? you're in good hands bro. xoxo thinks your not guilty. that means your not guilty. we'll see you in a couple week bro. hang in they're. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20462009) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 5:21 PM Author: Exhilarant naked stage juggernaut holy shit, fscknut got destroyed itt, and this is coming from someone who thought zimm should've been arrested and charged earlier (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20462539) |
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Date: April 14th, 2012 7:18 PM Author: Red Cerebral Corner Same here. Good thread. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1923802&forum_id=2#20463254) |
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