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Attention college students applying to law school: put down ...
filthy theatre degenerate
  06/02/12
employment law d00ds: how is that wage legal?
ocher striped hyena
  06/02/12
lawyers are professionals and thus exempt
buff pisswyrm trump supporter
  06/02/12
min wage laws need to be updated so badly they're so outdate...
Dun stead
  06/02/12
agreed
ocher striped hyena
  06/02/12
180k lol? wtf?
Dashing range
  06/02/12
bonuses
ocher striped hyena
  06/02/12
Still a fucking lie. 167.5, tops. And when you factor in t...
mewling state jew
  06/02/12
probably a typo
Transparent meetinghouse
  06/02/12
The maddening thing about this article is that it is still f...
mewling state jew
  06/02/12
why does that make you mad? i think it's great. dumbs who ca...
fantasy-prone soggy new version
  06/02/12
$10K? i thought my 70k jerb was bad
buff pisswyrm trump supporter
  06/02/12
what kind of hours do you work? if it's anything like 9 to ...
Lascivious legend
  06/02/12
meanwhile, some shitlaw king rakes in millions
Naked infuriating spot
  06/02/12
lol, the common perception among proles posting in the comme...
Dashing range
  06/02/12
Kind of a shitty firm website.
offensive contagious black woman
  06/02/12
"Median starting salaries for first-year associates at ...
Exciting Jet-lagged Crotch
  06/02/12
This. Never not schilling.
Fear-inspiring background story old irish cottage
  06/02/12
3,200 applications for the job?! Didnt ATL say 36 applicati...
Mind-boggling gay wizard church building
  06/02/12
Article says nothing about 3,200 applications. The title of ...
razzle territorial orchestra pit
  06/02/12
read the article faggot: "Gilbert & O'Bryan has ...
fantasy-prone soggy new version
  06/02/12
tcr
fuchsia insane toaster
  06/02/12
i read 2500 in the comments section from a BC law bro
fuchsia insane toaster
  06/02/12
I guarantee that firm did not receive 3,200 applications, or...
anal aphrodisiac boistinker jap
  06/02/12
Like hurricanes, scientists are studying the “life cycle” of...
Misanthropic sticky azn hell
  06/02/12
...
topaz arousing kitty
  06/02/12
ty
Trip Overrated Haunted Graveyard School
  06/02/12
wtf is this thing they refer to as "fax machine"
fantasy-prone soggy new version
  06/02/12
i like to imagine the shitlaw world revolves around it
Trip Overrated Haunted Graveyard School
  06/02/12


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Date: June 2nd, 2012 4:13 PM
Author: filthy theatre degenerate

Attention college students applying to law school: put down the LSAT prep book. You might want to consider another line of work.

In what could be either a sign of the economic times or simply an extreme case, a law firm in Boston posted a position on Boston College Law School's career site for an associate position with a less-than-generous salary of $10,000.

The job is for a full-time associate at Gilbert & O'Bryan LLP, a Boston law firm specializing in domestic relations, estate planning, bankruptcy and civil service law. The Boston Business Journal got a tip from a currently employed Boston College Law School graduate who spotted the posting and said the ad was "demoralizing." (Here's their screen shot of the post.)

Compensation for the full-time associate position — suited for a new lawyer or "someone returning to a legal career" — is based mainly on a "percentage of work billed and collected," which means a percentage of what's billed to the firm's clients. (Larry O'Bryan, partner at the firm, wouldn't disclose the percentage amount, but says it's within the range of what firms typically pay.) The associate would have their own case load and clients from the get-go, according to the posting, which goes on to say, "we expect an associate to earn ten thousand dollars in compensation in the first year." Gilbert & O'Bryan has received 3,200 applications for the job so far, more than they were expecting, says O'Bryan. The position was listed at a number of Boston-area law schools.

As the BC alum pointed out, if the associate works a typical 40-hour week, the salary works out to about $4.80 an hour. The minimum wage in Massachusetts is $8 an hour, while the federal minimum wage is $7.25 an hour.

Median starting salaries for first-year associates at firms that have between two and 25 lawyers was $73,000 in 2011, up slightly from $72,000 in 2010, according to the latest data from the National Association for Legal Career Professionals (NALP). For firms with 251 or more lawyers, first years got a median salary of $180,000, the same as in 2010. In March, NALP also reported that the legal sector, which was hit hard by the recession, continued to lose jobs, but at a much slower pace through the end of 2011.

So can't the firm afford to pay its associates a more substantial wage? "We're a small firm, and we don't have a huge amount of business. The economy is tight, and we'd love to have more business to pay our associates more," O'Bryan says. He added that the firm has hired about 20 associates at the same salary level in the past five years and emphasized that associates tend to earn more in subsequent years.

The position offers some nice benefits, though, including health insurance, malpractice insurance, an employer-paid clothing allowance and an MBTA pass.

Gilbert & O'Bryan's position may just be an outlier — obviously, entry level jobs at other law firms pay lavishly. According to Boston College's web site, graduates of the law school earned a median $160,000 nine months after graduation in 2010 at private sector positions (public sector lawyers earned $40,588).

"This is more the exception than the rule," says Nate Kenyon, communications director at Boston College Law School. Other postings on the school's online job database offer much higher salaries, "but we're starting to see all sorts of creative ideas and listings and opportunities -- the paradigm is shifting," he says. Kenyon says the school doesn't edit any job posted through their database, and while "We wouldn't necessarily endorse a full-time job that pays $10,000 a year, but there may be graduates who feel that the experience combined with health and other benefits are worth it, particularly if they want to start up their own practice."

Looking on the brighter side, the Gilbert & O'Bryan position can be viewed as the equivalent of a medical school students' residency program, Kenyon notes. That's essentially what the Massachusetts Bar Association recommended in its May report on employment in the legal field. Medical residencies pay little, but students get hands-on training and valuable experience. The report proposes a reinvented third year of law school to expose students to work they'd see in a real job, since law firms these days "are less willing to pay for new lawyers who do not possess any skills related to the actual day-to-day practice of law or any awareness of the legal needs of clients," the report says.

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/the-exchange/attention-lawyers-10-000-salary-190253092.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1962126&forum_id=2#20812734)



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Date: June 2nd, 2012 4:15 PM
Author: ocher striped hyena

employment law d00ds: how is that wage legal?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1962126&forum_id=2#20812743)



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Date: June 2nd, 2012 4:19 PM
Author: buff pisswyrm trump supporter

lawyers are professionals and thus exempt

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1962126&forum_id=2#20812759)



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Date: June 2nd, 2012 4:22 PM
Author: Dun stead

min wage laws need to be updated so badly they're so outdated

no one in this country should be working more than 50 hours a week - its insane. one of the main purpose of min wage was to spread the labor but as most careers have become exempt it has lost its effects

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1962126&forum_id=2#20812768)



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Date: June 2nd, 2012 4:25 PM
Author: ocher striped hyena

agreed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1962126&forum_id=2#20812780)



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Date: June 2nd, 2012 4:16 PM
Author: Dashing range

180k lol? wtf?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1962126&forum_id=2#20812745)



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Date: June 2nd, 2012 4:16 PM
Author: ocher striped hyena

bonuses

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1962126&forum_id=2#20812748)



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Date: June 2nd, 2012 4:21 PM
Author: mewling state jew

Still a fucking lie. 167.5, tops. And when you factor in the shitload of smaller markets people in 250+ firms are working in, the all-in first year median comp is probably more like 150 than 167.5.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1962126&forum_id=2#20812763)



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Date: June 2nd, 2012 4:23 PM
Author: Transparent meetinghouse

probably a typo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1962126&forum_id=2#20812775)



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Date: June 2nd, 2012 4:19 PM
Author: mewling state jew

The maddening thing about this article is that it is still full of lies that make law sound liek a very lucrative career for a majority of grads.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1962126&forum_id=2#20812757)



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Date: June 2nd, 2012 4:31 PM
Author: fantasy-prone soggy new version

why does that make you mad? i think it's great. dumbs who can't see through the farce of law school job statistics deserve to be heavily-indebted, jobless and unemployable. articles like this give me a great feeling inside.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1962126&forum_id=2#20812808)



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Date: June 2nd, 2012 4:20 PM
Author: buff pisswyrm trump supporter

$10K? i thought my 70k jerb was bad

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1962126&forum_id=2#20812760)



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Date: June 2nd, 2012 4:26 PM
Author: Lascivious legend

what kind of hours do you work? if it's anything like 9 to 5 you have it made brother

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1962126&forum_id=2#20812783)



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Date: June 2nd, 2012 4:21 PM
Author: Naked infuriating spot

meanwhile, some shitlaw king rakes in millions

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1962126&forum_id=2#20812764)



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Date: June 2nd, 2012 4:23 PM
Author: Dashing range

lol, the common perception among proles posting in the comments is that it's the lawyers fault because there are obviously too many lawyers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1962126&forum_id=2#20812774)



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Date: June 2nd, 2012 4:44 PM
Author: offensive contagious black woman

Kind of a shitty firm website.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1962126&forum_id=2#20812899)



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Date: June 2nd, 2012 4:44 PM
Author: Exciting Jet-lagged Crotch

"Median starting salaries for first-year associates at firms that have between two and 25 lawyers was $73,000 in 2011, up slightly from $72,000 in 2010, according to the latest data from the National Association for Legal Career Professionals (NALP). For firms with 251 or more lawyers, first years got a median salary of $180,000, the same as in 2010."

They can't help themselves, lol. They are never off message.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1962126&forum_id=2#20812901)



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Date: June 2nd, 2012 4:55 PM
Author: Fear-inspiring background story old irish cottage

This. Never not schilling.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1962126&forum_id=2#20812974)



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Date: June 2nd, 2012 5:15 PM
Author: Mind-boggling gay wizard church building

3,200 applications for the job?! Didnt ATL say 36 applications only a couple days ago?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1962126&forum_id=2#20813127)



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Date: June 2nd, 2012 5:47 PM
Author: razzle territorial orchestra pit

Article says nothing about 3,200 applications. The title of this thread is flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1962126&forum_id=2#20813270)



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Date: June 2nd, 2012 5:50 PM
Author: fantasy-prone soggy new version

read the article faggot:

"Gilbert & O'Bryan has received 3,200 applications for the job so far, more than they were expecting, says O'Bryan. The position was listed at a number of Boston-area law schools."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1962126&forum_id=2#20813289)



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Date: June 2nd, 2012 5:54 PM
Author: fuchsia insane toaster

tcr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1962126&forum_id=2#20813321)



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Date: June 2nd, 2012 5:48 PM
Author: fuchsia insane toaster

i read 2500 in the comments section from a BC law bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1962126&forum_id=2#20813282)



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Date: June 2nd, 2012 5:56 PM
Author: anal aphrodisiac boistinker jap

I guarantee that firm did not receive 3,200 applications, or anywhere fucking near that, for this job posting.

This is bullshit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1962126&forum_id=2#20813350)



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Date: June 2nd, 2012 6:03 PM
Author: Misanthropic sticky azn hell

Like hurricanes, scientists are studying the “life cycle” of the typical NYC whiteout. Its root causes, if you will. The “chain of events.” They tell us it all starts with a craigslist ad, calling for some no-fault/landlord tenant/personal injury/_________(insert shitlaw practice area here) associate, with 0-2 years experience. Usually the salary offered will be south of 40 K, but much “experience” is promised in lieu of monetary remuneration. Court appearances and depositions are often mentioned, as well as “motions.”

Upon pressing the “post” button and placing the ad online, the white-out phenomenon unfolds. Within seconds, the telltale ring of the fax machine sounds thru the office as the resumes start shooting in. Building slowly, like a dynamo brought up to speed, the ring soon blares into a continuous, screeching din like a submarine’s “torpedo” alarms in those old WWII movies. Upwards of 75 resumes a minute have been reported, and often the hapless secretaries are dispatched to find milk crates, empty wastebaskets, and other vessels to absorb this incoming resume avalanche.

But there’s no taming this beast. As the toner bleeds dry, the print becomes fainter and fainter, until the boldfaced “Cardozo Sports Law Journal” and “Top 46%” boldfaced type dissolves from a scream to a faint whisper. By the ten-minute mark, the fax machine pages emerge blank and unblemished, the shitlaw credentials unprinted. The toner is empty. Yet onward the onslaught continues, page upon blank empty page pouring into a vortex of abject nothingness. This heart of darkness is pure white.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1962126&forum_id=2#20813388)



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Date: June 2nd, 2012 6:14 PM
Author: topaz arousing kitty



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1962126&forum_id=2#20813445)



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Date: June 2nd, 2012 6:35 PM
Author: Trip Overrated Haunted Graveyard School

ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1962126&forum_id=2#20813551)



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Date: June 2nd, 2012 6:35 PM
Author: fantasy-prone soggy new version

wtf is this thing they refer to as "fax machine"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1962126&forum_id=2#20813553)



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Date: June 2nd, 2012 6:51 PM
Author: Trip Overrated Haunted Graveyard School

i like to imagine the shitlaw world revolves around it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1962126&forum_id=2#20813641)