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Hayek: Favored welfare for all (basic income). Reptiles: MAF
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Date: June 16th, 2012 2:49 PM Author: twinkling school cafeteria idiot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972064&forum_id=2#20898190) |
Date: June 16th, 2012 2:52 PM Author: twinkling school cafeteria idiot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972064&forum_id=2#20898203) |
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Date: June 16th, 2012 2:55 PM Author: Multi-colored Crotch Library OBVIOUS FLAME IS OBVIOUS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972064&forum_id=2#20898208) |
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Date: June 16th, 2012 2:56 PM Author: twinkling school cafeteria idiot Not flame, it is known, Khaleesi (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972064&forum_id=2#20898214) |
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Date: June 16th, 2012 3:08 PM Author: Multi-colored Crotch Library I should have said troll. Poors already have a floor income, not sure what your point is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972064&forum_id=2#20898253) |
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Date: June 16th, 2012 2:56 PM Author: Spruce deer antler meetinghouse Do you mean a negative income tax? Friedman was proponent, too. And, no, reptiles are not MAF, retard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972064&forum_id=2#20898217) |
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Date: June 16th, 2012 2:58 PM Author: twinkling school cafeteria idiot Many are MAF. You seem pretty mad generally IMO. And no, not a neg income tax specifically in Hayek's case (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972064&forum_id=2#20898219) |
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Date: June 16th, 2012 3:00 PM Author: Spruce deer antler meetinghouse Only MAF at how polarizing shitlibbery has become recently. It's like they take every liberal position and assume that the opposite is by default the reptile position, regardless of the economics involved. Life is more nuanced than that, fortunately. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972064&forum_id=2#20898225) |
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Date: June 16th, 2012 3:02 PM Author: twinkling school cafeteria idiot Oh noes! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972064&forum_id=2#20898230) |
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Date: June 16th, 2012 3:09 PM Author: Dull lascivious hell community account (actual retard) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972064&forum_id=2#20898257) |
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Date: April 4th, 2016 8:13 PM Author: Vivacious son of senegal casino ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972064&forum_id=2#30202270) |
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Date: June 16th, 2012 3:09 PM Author: Dull lascivious hell community account 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972064&forum_id=2#20898256) |
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Date: June 16th, 2012 3:01 PM Author: twinkling school cafeteria idiot "The assurance of a certain minimum income for everyone, or a sort of floor below which nobody need fall even when he is unable to provide for himself, appears not only to be wholly legitimate protection against a risk common to all, but a necessary part of the Great Society in which the individual no longer has specific claims on the members of the particular small group into which he was born."
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Date: June 16th, 2012 3:13 PM Author: Multi-colored Crotch Library "It is unfortunate that the endeavor to secure a uniform minimum for all who cannot provide for themselves has become connected with the wholly different aims of securing a ‘just’ distribution of incomes." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972064&forum_id=2#20898273) |
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Date: June 16th, 2012 4:51 PM Author: twinkling school cafeteria idiot Right. But this doesn't negate his position above (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972064&forum_id=2#20898738) |
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Date: June 16th, 2012 3:04 PM Author: twinkling school cafeteria idiot "The basic conception of classical liberalism, which alone can make decent and impartial government possible, is that government must regard all people as equal, however unequal they may in fact be, and that in whatever manner the government restrains (or assists) the action of one, so it must, under the same abstract rules, restraint (or assist) the actions of all others. Nobody has special claims on government because he is either rich or poor, beyond the assurance of protection against all violence from anybody and the assurance of a certain flat minimum income if things go wholly wrong. Even to take notice of the factual inequality of individuals and to make this the excuse of any discriminating coercion, is a breach of the basic terms on which free man submits to government." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972064&forum_id=2#20898237) |
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Date: August 19th, 2013 10:18 PM Author: Swashbuckling umber athletic conference maf (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972064&forum_id=2#23881828) |
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Date: August 19th, 2013 10:18 PM Author: Swashbuckling umber athletic conference maf (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972064&forum_id=2#23881829) |
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Date: June 20th, 2014 9:45 AM Author: milky striped hyena temple (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972064&forum_id=2#25783220) |
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Date: June 21st, 2014 7:38 PM Author: cracking orchestra pit Who cares about that bitch. Penelope Cruz wasn't available? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972064&forum_id=2#25792133) |
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Date: June 21st, 2014 7:43 PM Author: Flesh splenetic lodge national security agency This is like the standard position on welfare that almost all libertarians take:
Basic income combined with elimination of "hidden" welfare policies.
Shitlibs advocate for basic income but they want it in ADDITION to all the programs we have now. Dudes like Hayek/Friedman just want basic income, the idea being it's compassionate enough to not just let people rot and die but it doesn't result in all these people living off welfare for like their entire life. |
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Date: April 4th, 2016 2:58 PM Author: azure balding indian lodge libertarians are in favor of welfare of any sort? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972064&forum_id=2#30200248) |
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Date: April 4th, 2016 3:03 PM Author: deep abode electric furnace there is a libertarian spectrum from simple economic cons/social libs to anarcho-capitalists.
the idea of basic income plus dismantling of some of the current welfare state which, in theory, would rendered redundant due to the basic income is not anaethema to libertarism per se. |
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Date: April 4th, 2016 3:06 PM Author: azure balding indian lodge yeah, it is. you've started your spectrum in an area that is not libertarian
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Date: April 4th, 2016 6:32 PM Author: Heady bbw legal warrant It respects the individual more because it allows him to spend it whatever way he wants. That's libertarian. It's disgustingly patriarchal to be like here's some stamps you can only buy certain food with. It also has the added benefit of having almost no administrative overhead. So you wouldn't have the vast bureaucracy of govt jobs that libertarians hate. And it's more efficient to boot so we could give more direct cash to ppl. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972064&forum_id=2#30201479) |
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Date: April 4th, 2016 7:01 PM Author: azure balding indian lodge you're just making shit up to fit your false narrative. once you've gone bitch and start accepting handouts, the libertarian principles of self-determination don't apply. you have forfeited those arguments by being a mooch. to the extent you are given any self-determination for how to spend your welfare, that's something you should be grateful for. it's not something you are entitled to. |
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Date: April 4th, 2016 7:25 PM Author: Heady bbw legal warrant Most libertarian economists favor minimum income. Not everyone is a Ted Cruz like hard line nut job about things (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972064&forum_id=2#30201897) |
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Date: April 4th, 2016 8:12 PM Author: azure balding indian lodge it's not a libertarian position, though. at most, it's a libertarian economist trying to figure out the least disgusting pill to swallow. once those economists leave their libertarian base, they are just choosing a pragmatic position along the liberal/conservative continuum. plus, your use of 'most' is specious. how many 'libertarian' economists are there? |
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Date: April 4th, 2016 8:20 PM Author: Heady bbw legal warrant I don't know, but Friedman and Hayek were YUGE supporters. Nixon tried to implement it. To the extent libertarianism only means near anarchy with no proper role of govt beyond courts (but very few enforceable laws) and defense spending (but maybe only in response to an imminent threat) then sure. But that's a mythical land that will never exist. Pragmatic libertarians are just conservatives who aren't down with the moralist wing of the party and who want to limit govt at every turn. So basic income is a great solution to the problem of the administrative welfare state (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972064&forum_id=2#30202315) |
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Date: April 4th, 2016 8:41 PM Author: azure balding indian lodge meh, we need cgm here. incentivizing welfare is the wrong approach. it should be burdensome and shame inducing. just giving losers money and thinking it will work out is naïve, wishful thinking. you know how many fast food places are hiring right now? all of them you know how many fast food places have been hiring the past 4 years? all of them you know how many fast food workers are better than welfare recipients? |
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Date: April 4th, 2016 8:47 PM Author: Heady bbw legal warrant Sounds like you are more just a hateful scrooge than a libertarian, bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972064&forum_id=2#30202547) |
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Date: April 4th, 2016 8:52 PM Author: azure balding indian lodge more narrative foolishness how is that hateful? |
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Date: April 4th, 2016 8:54 PM Author: Heady bbw legal warrant You'd rather have big govt than feel like someone is getting a free handout lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972064&forum_id=2#30202607) |
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Date: April 4th, 2016 8:55 PM Author: shimmering location partner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972064&forum_id=2#30202617) |
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Date: April 4th, 2016 8:56 PM Author: azure balding indian lodge i never said i wanted big government. i disagree with your premise that structured welfare necessarily causes bigger government than cash payouts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972064&forum_id=2#30202633) |
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Date: April 4th, 2016 9:31 PM Author: Heady bbw legal warrant ? You have to have a vast admin state and due process shit and everything else when you do in kind transfers where a billion diff programs are separately means tested. Basic income would just be a single cash payment. It's really not disputable... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972064&forum_id=2#30202871) |
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Date: May 17th, 2015 7:37 AM Author: Mahogany ape round eye (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972064&forum_id=2#27908142) |
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Date: April 4th, 2016 1:48 PM Author: Mahogany ape round eye (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972064&forum_id=2#30199815) |
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Date: April 4th, 2016 1:49 PM Author: Multi-colored Crotch Library I favor basic income IF AND ONLY IF all other forms of welfare are eliminated (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972064&forum_id=2#30199832) |
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Date: April 14th, 2016 2:32 AM Author: dark thriller volcanic crater center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972064&forum_id=2#30270276) |
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Date: April 14th, 2016 2:52 AM Author: ocher beady-eyed multi-billionaire (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972064&forum_id=2#30270322) |
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Date: April 4th, 2016 1:57 PM Author: Boyish pearl roommate filthpig 350million Americans * $10k = $3.5Trillion
We could bring it down to around 300 bucks a month for a cool trillion. Remove Olds on SS, maybe 700 billion.
We're all fucked man who cares. |
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Date: April 14th, 2016 4:02 AM Author: Hyperactive goyim party of the first part hayek was a shitlib unlike his mentor xo mises
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