Budget, economy in crisis - Romney focuses on... Israel
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Date: June 16th, 2012 6:01 PM Author: Vibrant coffee pot
lol. THIS is considered a "moderate, pragmatic" republican?
Romney: Obama fears Israeli attack on Iran more than Iran nukes
By Paul West
June 16, 2012, 10:19 a.m.
Washington—
In hawkish remarks that drew cheers from an audience of religious conservatives, Mitt Romney accused President Obama on Saturday of being more afraid that Israel might attack Iran than that Iran will develop a nuclear weapon.
The Republican presidential candidate, who frequently attacks the administration for failing to back Israel’s government more aggressively, ratcheted up his criticism a notch. He responded with ridicule when asked what he would do, if elected, to strengthen U.S. relations with the Jewish state.
“I think, by and large, you can just look at the things the president has done and do the opposite,” Romney said, to laughter and applause from members of the Faith and Freedom Coalition, an evangelical Christian political organization.
"You look at his policies with regards to Iran," Romney continued. "He's almost sounded like he's more frightened that Israel might take military action than he's concerned that Iran might become nuclear."
Those words prompted prolonged applause and cheering from an audience of 250 in the ballroom of a Washington hotel.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-pn-mitt-romney-obama-israel-20120616,0,487586.story
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972157&forum_id=2#20899093) |
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Date: June 16th, 2012 6:03 PM Author: Vibrant coffee pot
"But perhaps overarching is this: I would not want to show a dime's worth of distance between ourselves and our allies like Israel. If we have disagreements, you know, we can talk about them behind closed doors. But to the world, you show that we're locked arm-in-arm," he said."
lol @ america calling itself an "independent" nation...
romney also wants to arm the al qaeda crazies in syria.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972157&forum_id=2#20899112) |
Date: June 16th, 2012 6:04 PM Author: exciting brindle ladyboy
ROMNEY: The actions that I will take will be actions recommended and supported by Israeli leaders. I don’t seek to take actions independent of what our allies think is best, and if Israel’s leaders thought that a move of that nature would be helpful to their efforts, then that’s something I’ll be inclined to do. But again, that’s a decision which I would look to the Israeli leadership to help guide. I don’t think America should play the role of the leader of the peace process, instead we should stand by our ally. Again, my inclination is to follow the guidance of our ally Israel, as to where our facilities and embassies would exist.
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In a telling exchange during a debate in December, Mr. Romney criticized Mr. Gingrich for making a disparaging remark about Palestinians, declaring: “Before I made a statement of that nature, I’d get on the phone to my friend Bibi Netanyahu and say: ‘Would it help if I say this? What would you like me to do?’ “
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972157&forum_id=2#20899122)
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Date: June 17th, 2012 3:19 AM Author: Vibrant coffee pot
is a weak tu quoque argument honestly the best you can offer?
what makes you think that people are choosing between obama and romney as opposed to gary johnson and romney or something?
can you phrase your tu quoque in gary johnson terms now? or even better, offer an argument that ISN'T a blatant logical fallacy?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972157&forum_id=2#20902241) |
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Date: June 17th, 2012 3:22 AM Author: Vibrant coffee pot
so you DON'T have a non tu quoque argument?
what is the assurance that romney WON'T waste american taxpayer money on an iran war?
gary johnson won't. we KNOW that.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972157&forum_id=2#20902249) |
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Date: June 17th, 2012 3:47 AM Author: Vibrant coffee pot
"I would make it very clear that for us, as well as for them, it is unacceptable for Iran to become a nuclear nation and that we're prepared to take ANY AND ALL action to keep that from happening,"
--Willard "Mitt" Romney; June 16, 2012
EXPLAIN
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972157&forum_id=2#20902320) |
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Date: June 17th, 2012 3:49 AM Author: Vibrant coffee pot
"ANY AND ALL action"
where did romney specifically exclude "occupation" or "ground troops" from the phrase "ANY AND ALL"?
go ahead; tell me where.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972157&forum_id=2#20902327) |
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Date: June 17th, 2012 12:04 PM Author: Mint newt school cafeteria
lol@being guilty of your own dishonesty.
*wants conclusion to be favorable for obama*
*can't do, so presses OP to compare romney to johnson*
*once something looks more favorable for johnson, magically attributes that same quality to obama*
*gets favorable conclusion for obama*
you are seriously retarded if you think other people cant see through your ridiculously amateur-hour reasoning.
Newsflash, fuckwad, Obama is just as likely to attack Iran as Romney is. He's already teamed up with Isreal re: Stuxnet http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/01/world/middleeast/obama-ordered-wave-of-cyberattacks-against-iran.html?pagewanted=all
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972157&forum_id=2#20902927) |
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Date: June 17th, 2012 12:37 PM Author: Mint newt school cafeteria
Obama has been in 6 wars. He's showing no signs of slowing down. You are a fool if you think he doesn't have his sights set on attacking Iran, as that article indicates he does.
lol just lol all you want. Obama is a warhawk. if youre comparing him to romney on that issue, it's a hobson's choice, just like it is on deficit spending. So yes i do think an attack on iran is equally likely or equally unlikely under either administration.
I think both guys are well aware from Bush II's strategic mistakes that the boots on the ground approach doesn't work with insurgents, which is all youre left with in the ME after the initial surge takes out a country's central command.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972157&forum_id=2#20903059) |
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Date: June 16th, 2012 6:18 PM Author: snowy lodge
Yeah, pretty much this.
Israel has the right to defend itself, and it obviously has much more respect for human rights than any of its neighbors.
But that doesn't mean that America should literally DEFER to Israeli leaders when it comes to its foreign policy re: the middle east, which seems to be what Romney is suggesting.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972157&forum_id=2#20899213) |
Date: June 16th, 2012 6:12 PM Author: snowy lodge
I can kinda see the purpose of this, from Romney's perspective.
As a Mormon, he is going to have some trouble with the evangelical types, unless he can really show he's on their side on one of their pet issues.
Coming out really hard against abortion would help him with the christian right, but hurt him with a lot of moderate women.
Taking a strong pro-Israel stance, on the other hand, will endear him to the Christian right, while not really offending any significant group.
The trick, it would seem, is to seem strongly supportive of Israel, without actually saying "I will launch a war with Iran."
If you look at public opinion polls, it's clear that there are more people in America who support Israel than who oppose it.
However, the neutral and pro-Muslim camps COMBINED outweigh the pro-Israel camp, which I think explains why the consensus on this issue is pretty much, "keep supplying Israel with whatever it needs, but screw getting involved in a war with Iran."
So I think vaguely pro-Israel rhetoric will help Romney with one or two key constituencies, and not hurt him with any, PROVIDED he doesn't cross a certain line.
We'll have to wait and see...
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1972157&forum_id=2#20899177) |
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