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Libs explain: US spends the MOST per capita on education
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Date: July 9th, 2012 9:04 AM Author: cobalt stirring step-uncle's house both in total amount and as a percentage of GDP.
Why do you bemoan the amount of money that is spent on public education? Is it because liberalism is a mental disorder? |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 9:07 AM Author: Soul-stirring Ruddy Boltzmann Center sounds like you already answered your question (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21047137) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:38 AM Author: Disrespectful Mauve Death Wish Sneaky Criminal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21052577) |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 9:07 AM Author: Big friendly grandma Many conservatives believe that American public education is in poor shape today because of cultural and social trends, most beginning in the 1960s, which destroyed classroom discipline, the moral basis for education, and a national consensus on what students should learn. Again, there is some truth in this proposition, but ultimately it fails to explain why American students do not possess the communication and computational skills they need today to succeed in college or in the working world (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21047138) |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 9:12 AM Author: cobalt stirring step-uncle's house Some very good explanations in the first sentence there.
What else is there? Low IQ of certain subgroups? |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 9:15 AM Author: Big friendly grandma The history of public education reform is a story in which these groups—sometimes in concert and sometimes in opposition to professional educators with their own designs—jockey for position to make their indelible mark on the school policies of the day. Reform efforts have reappeared regularly, in the 1940s, the watchword was “life adjustment education.” Educators, worried about a growing dropout rate and the seemingly frantic pace of post-War technological innovations, sought to help students adjust to a changing world. One example of a class introduced in public schools during this period was entitled “Basic Urges, Wants, and Needs and Making Friends and Keeping Them.” That’s the 1940s, not the 1960s. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21047151) |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 9:34 AM Author: diverse blue deer antler kitty cat Another bunch of stupid c/ping from you. When you are dealing with the educational trends for a nation of 300M people, anecdotal info is IRRELEVANT. Sure, in such a large country you are bound to find weird and stupid shit being taught in just about any era. That does not however, have relevance to a discussion regarding the trend of ever-increasing expenditure on education and increasingly poor or uncompetitive results. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21047179) |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 9:49 AM Author: Big friendly grandma Uniform salary schedules were originally enacted to address racial and social inequities among teachers, not as a “better way” of organizing the teaching force. These inequities have largely been addressed and can be prevented by other means. But like so many governmental policies, uniform salary schedules have outlived their usefulness. Reorganization might involve paying teachers of one subject more than teachers of another subject, or paying a good teacher with ten years’ experience more than a mediocre teacher with 15 years’ experience. As education researcher Denis Doyle of the Hudson Institute wrote: “There is no mystery as to how to find and retain qualified teachers of mathematics or the sciences. Pay them what the market demands, provide them with benefits that are competitive, and create a work environment in which they can derive genuine professional satisfaction. Pay differentials are the answer.”
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Date: July 9th, 2012 9:51 AM Author: Canary Razzmatazz Locus Knife pretty fascinating stuff, slim (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21047207) |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 9:53 AM Author: Big friendly grandma Both liberal do-gooders and conservative culture warriors look to public education to achieve public goods. In the 1950s and 1960s, a national focus on the problem of racial segregation helped steer education policy away from questions of excellence to questions of equity and access. In the 1970s, activists bent on such diverse causes as environmentalism, humanism, spiritualism, and even socialism began to target the school curriculum. They produced all sorts of programs, handbooks, textbooks, and other materials, and used political influence to have these adopted as part of the school day in many jurisdictions. Meanwhile, America’s developmental psychologists and early childhood experts, deep in their environmentalist (in the sense of non- genetic) phase, got the attention of educators and political leaders. They argued that formal education should be supplemented with special counseling and self-esteem programs, that formal education should be extended into the preschool years, and that the federal government should be involved in funding these early- intervention and compensatory education programs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21047211) |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 9:54 AM Author: vivacious heaven To be clear: the salary issue is COMPLETELY MISSING THE POINT.
Without a massive shift in the way most parents engage with their children's academics, we won't see much improvement. Academic success begins at home with the right mindset and supervision.
Note that Asian and Indian families are somehow able to massively out perform other cultures academically in this country. |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 10:02 AM Author: diverse blue deer antler kitty cat That is the fundamental problem with education: it is public.
You would not have a long-running inequity amongst teachers in the private sector. Those schools that hired whites over equally competent blacks at double the wage would go broke in the free-market fairly quickly, especially as social norms change.
Moreover, the entire second bit of this further proves the issue with public systems. In whose interest is it to even bother keeping track of the quality of the teachers, the attrition rate of good math and science teachers, and then also trying to find a "competitive market-rate" for them? Who is going to do that out of the kindness of their heart? You get rid of the profit-incentive and all you are left with is a handful of people who actually want to do good work for the sake of it. The rest of the administrators are going to punch out without giving a shit about all that stuff. |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 10:17 AM Author: Big friendly grandma Look at what a miserable failure privatization of prisons has been to this country, jackass. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21047260) |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 10:24 AM Author: diverse blue deer antler kitty cat Thats not privatization in the same sense, retard.
There are shitloads of reasons why the current prison system (both "privatized" and public) are actually still public, but let us focus on the major difference between public v. private, INCENTIVES:
Who pays for prisoners to be kept?
Do you understand how you have the exact same problem as before with incentives since the gov't is paying for it? Look, it does not matter if the gov't goes out and hires 100 security guards, purchases a building and houses criminals inside or if it outsources the purchase and operations to a 3rd party. PAYMENT is still coming from the gov't. The lack of a connection between the payer and who the services are meant to benefit is the problem in public schools and is just as much a problem in "privatized" prisons. If you weren't such an idiot you would have realized this within a moments thought.
Why do you insist on opening your mouth in these matters? How many times do I have to utterly demolish you? |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 10:24 AM Author: Big friendly grandma Correctional Corporations (something you favor, as a libertarian) have amassed large political influence through government ties, lobbying power and campaign contributions, while attempting to convert the discourse of justice into the language of the marketplace. In this way, they accuse government agencies as having a monopoly on corrections, espouse the need to downsize and cut through red tape. They claim that they can run prisons more efficiently and cheaper, doing a better job and saving the taxpayers money. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21047282) |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 10:29 AM Author: diverse blue deer antler kitty cat Go back to my education post. The key distinction (in the context of public education) between free market and public are INCENTIVES. How does this supposed "privatization" of the prison system change anything to do with incentives?
Look, in essence with the advent of "private" prisons, nothing has changed. When you had "public" prisons you still paid money to private actors (such as the guards, cooks, building construction, etc.), all that has changed with "private" prisons is that you are lump-summing the payment for that 3rd party to allocate instead of the gov't allocating itself to 3rd parties. The nature of the exchange is still the same: gov't paying 3rd party. |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 10:40 AM Author: Big friendly grandma Its become a renewed manifestation of crony capitalism--the problem with libertarian thought is that it necessarily produces and perpetuates the conditions of crony capitalism. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21047332) |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 10:42 AM Author: impressive house mood "the problem with libertarian thought is that it necessarily produces and perpetuates the conditions of crony capitalism"
Describe specifically how it does that. |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 10:45 AM Author: Big friendly grandma Whenever society’s wealth is concentrated in the hands of a tiny minority, an inherent feature of capitalist society, the 1% will naturally use that wealth to direct the political process. Libertarians find nothing abominable about the glaring disparities in wealth or in the disparities in access to political power. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21047359) |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 10:51 AM Author: diverse blue deer antler kitty cat If you cut political powers down to its bare bones (or none at all), how can it be hijacked? Moreover, in a libtarded state is where you actually see such disparity in wealth, except that this disparity comes from those with political power rather than monetary wealth. Finally, what nonsense is it the society's wealth is concentrated in the hands of a tiny majority in capitalist society? Can you name a society/system that had a more even split of the same level of wealth? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21047376) |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 10:52 AM Author: impressive house mood Capitalism can't have taxation? What? Sweden doesn't have a very capitalist nation with a large welfare state? Capitalism and taxation are mutually exclusive, according to you? Do you even know what capitalism means? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21047381) |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 10:42 AM Author: diverse blue deer antler kitty cat Wrong. This is the typical fear of a libtard, but it is utterly incorrect. Libertarians want to demolish the entire gov't apparatus. With no more power, there is nothing to corrupt. Crony Capitalism lies with Conservatives and Liberals as both parties seek to retain and enhance the power of the state which necessarily leads to private interests taking over.
Also, I am still waiting for an answer re: prisons. As is your typical MO, you try and weasel out. |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 10:46 AM Author: Big friendly grandma That is what a philosophical anarchist wants, not a libertarian. The latter want a "night watchman" state a la Nozick, but even the latter knew he was wrong to advocate such a minimal State. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21047360) |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 10:48 AM Author: diverse blue deer antler kitty cat Even vanilla libertarians still want to dismantle the state down to only a few components. How does this spark crony capitalism? You still have not defending your assertion. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21047365) |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 11:24 AM Author: smoky crusty alpha wow you are really dense. As CGM noted above, prisons are a different case because the privitely-run prisons service only one client -- the government. It is a like a single payer system for prisoners (instead of the health insurance).
Privatized schools, on the other hand, competing for disparate customers without contending with that same monopsony bargaining power will have very different incentives to perform and stay afloat than public schools do, which currently exist only so that teachers unions can automatically deduct dues from members' paychecks padded by federal subsidy. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:37 PM Author: anal talented theater stage cuck You're an idiot. The role of public schooling is to help foster Americanization. I don't want public money going to subsidize fucking yeshivas for Jews or madrassas for terrorists. Public systems may suck, but they provide a uniform base of experience for American citizenry. It's getting fucked up because of politics demanding that schools stop teaching proper science in science class. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21054655) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:41 PM Author: cobalt stirring step-uncle's house You're damn right. And Americanization = Christian values. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21054688) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:44 PM Author: anal talented theater stage cuck We eat fucking pizzas, hot dogs, and motherfucking beef patties in America. We don't eat that curry kosher shit. We don't fuck little boys in the ass. We need to inculcate common American values. *That's* the point of public education. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21054710) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:48 PM Author: cobalt stirring step-uncle's house American values are derived directly from Christianity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21054735) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:53 PM Author: anal talented theater stage cuck Football, hanging out, and trying to fuck hot cheerleaders are not derived from Christianity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21055014) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:58 PM Author: cobalt stirring step-uncle's house Those are not values. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21055032) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:01 PM Author: anal talented theater stage cuck Yes, they are. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21055046) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2012 4:01 PM Author: Drunken At-the-ready Genital Piercing The most moronic sub thread I've read in some time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21251710) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 11:42 AM Author: maroon contagious boistinker http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/post/texas-gop-rejects-critical-thinking-skills-really/2012/07/08/gJQAHNpFXW_blog.html
Also because American culture is anti-intellectual. Parents don't want their kids working to develop cognitive skills. They'd rather teach them that God invented the Remington bolt action rifle on the 8th day of creation so that Man could hunt the dinosaurs. And the homosexuals. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 11:43 AM Author: Bespoke Therapy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21053947) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 12:17 PM Author: smoky crusty alpha lol@cultural marxism = higher order critical thinking skills. Protip: just because you call it something, doesn't make it so.
Normally i would worry about censorship, but liberalism is a malignant cancer. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 12:37 PM Author: maroon contagious boistinker One of my less-than-academically-gifted cousins was in HOTS in elementary school. I admit that the specific program targeted can have questionable results.
However, they explicitly reject exposure to "critical thinking skills" that might "challeng[e] the student’s fixed beliefs" because they fear it will "undermin[e] parental authority" to teach kids that Satan planted dinosaur bones in the earth to test man's faith in the Bible.
Our country is TTT because the GOP is TTT. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:24 PM Author: swashbuckling philosopher-king azn LOL @ this libtarded nonsense. White American students do reasonably well considering the blight of teachers unions. Statistically, the problem is URMs, plain and simple. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21054871) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:12 PM Author: anal talented theater stage cuck Statistically, the problem is all the non-Asian and non-Jew students. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21055109) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:44 PM Author: maroon contagious boistinker U.S.: 12.6% African France: 13.0% African
U.S.: 33rd place in education France: 18th place in education |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 9:08 PM Author: Lascivious National France is about 3% black African. Nice try. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21057657) |
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Date: July 11th, 2012 9:57 AM Author: maroon contagious boistinker http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Ch%C3%A2teau+Rouge,+Paris,+France&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=48.886434,2.350945&spn=0.007958,0.020127&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=39.184175,82.441406&oq=chateau+rouge,+paris,+&hnear=Ch%C3%A2teau+Rouge&t=m&layer=c&cbll=48.887168,2.349644&panoid=Bf9JvCgdd_BQElf4k1STYA&cbp=12,93.38,,1,8.64&z=16 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21061140) |
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Date: July 17th, 2012 11:52 PM Author: maroon contagious boistinker cmon. this is fucking hilarious. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21112163) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:34 PM Author: cobalt stirring step-uncle's house Yes, what kind of TTT country actually lets parents teach small children their religion.
You know, in particular the religion that only provided the foundation for all American values. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:11 PM Author: anal talented theater stage cuck You are a dumb fuck. No one is saying parents can't teach their children religion. The GOP is opposing schools that teach you things that might cause you to not believe in Santa Claus. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21055105) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:14 PM Author: Electric gold dopamine cruise ship this is 100% not true (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21055116) |
Date: July 9th, 2012 9:37 AM Author: cobalt stirring step-uncle's house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21047187) |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 9:39 AM Author: vivacious heaven Easy. Parents in this country are generally lazy and have no clue about how to push their kids academically. It is criminal.
Also, teachers unions. Fuck them. |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 9:47 AM Author: Canary Razzmatazz Locus Knife obviously integration (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21047198) |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 10:39 AM Author: spectacular bawdyhouse keep throwing bad money after good for bad students (guess race?)
libs think you can fix everything with a little gubmint money to grease it up. that's why in SPS districts in NJ where the cost of education is approaching $30k per pupil they are doing so well. |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 10:42 AM Author: french public bath circlehead american education is run as a jobs program for unionized teachers at the elementary through high school level. at the college level, it's become a program for bureaucratic administrators and feel-good credentialism for students who shouldn't be in college. both political parties have been inflating that bubble for decades. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21047340) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:16 AM Author: demanding preventive strike (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21052448) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 11:51 AM Author: floppy infuriating parlour hissy fit So-called "higher" education is the biggest rent-seeking scam in America right now by a wide margin. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21054007) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2012 4:05 PM Author: Drunken At-the-ready Genital Piercing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21251756) |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 1:45 PM Author: smoky crusty alpha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21048132) |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 9:27 PM Author: smoky crusty alpha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21050553) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:50 AM Author: glittery field ceo Because America loves to trumpet the free market as being an efficient way to allocate resources but manages to have education and healthcare systems that deliver shittier quality systems than most socialized countries while costing MORE money. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21052639) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:40 AM Author: smoky crusty alpha lol@at our public education system resembling anything like a market, let alone a free one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21052788) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:41 AM Author: impressive house mood are you seriously retarded? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21052792) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:43 AM Author: glittery field ceo IF I WAS, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO TAKE MY WORD FOR IT!!?!!
LOLOLOLOLOLOLPWNED!!! |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:44 AM Author: impressive house mood hint: singapore, sweden, denmark, hong kong -- probably the best-run systems -- use vouchers and a market system for their education and healthcare. the market system, which lets consumers choose their competing providers, keeps costs low and makes things efficient.
oh, you didn't know? |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:47 AM Author: glittery field ceo lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21052814) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:48 AM Author: impressive house mood lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21052819) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:42 PM Author: anal talented theater stage cuck Those countries aren't run by religious fanatics who dominate American political discourse. They also have common values and respect for education, both of which are not presenet in America. Introducing vouchers and a market system in the US would lead to a bunch of Catholic schools, madrassas, and yeshivas sucking up all the money, with Asians going to SAT prep courses to try to get into HAHVARD. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21054692) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 9:01 PM Author: supple harsh pit psychic (guy who thinks that public schools are better than catholic schools, madrassas, and yeshivas) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21057591) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:49 AM Author: exhilarant white private investor it's expensive to house animals. you know how much zoos cost to operate? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21052825) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:03 AM Author: high-end angry parlor NIGGERS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21052875) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 11:48 AM Author: floppy infuriating parlour hissy fit I'd like to see what percentage of our spending is on extracurriculars, athletics and such; in most countries schools don't have much, or anything, in the way of non-academic activities for students, certainly not past the middle-school level, anyways. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21053974) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 12:01 PM Author: Nofapping impertinent point at my HS, the football budget was the single largest line item of any department, academic or otherwise. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21054076) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 12:03 PM Author: floppy infuriating parlour hissy fit How about "elite" schools like Harvard, Yale and Princeton where 15-25% of incoming students are recruited athletes?
LOL @ America. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 12:07 PM Author: thriller pungent tanning salon interesting point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21054115) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 12:00 PM Author: bipolar lodge https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2206rank.html (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21054067) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:12 PM Author: Electric gold dopamine cruise ship The only post in this entire thread pointing out the strawman that the reptile op created (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21055110) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:14 PM Author: anal talented theater stage cuck It's not a strawman; it's just fucking wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21055117) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:18 PM Author: cobalt stirring step-uncle's house Per capita brah. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21055140) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:13 PM Author: Electric gold dopamine cruise ship Rank country (% of GDP) Date of Information
1 Timor-Leste 16.80 2009
2 Cuba 13.60 2008
3 Lesotho 12.40 2008
4 Marshall Islands 12.00 2004
5 Maldives 11.20 2009
6 Saint Kitts and Nevis 9.60 2005
7 Moldova 9.60 2009
8 Botswana 8.90 2009
9 Djibouti 8.40 2007
10 Burundi 8.30 2009
11 Denmark 7.80 2007
12 Swaziland 7.80 2008
13 Comoros 7.60 2008
14 Iceland 7.40 2007
15 Tunisia 7.10 2007
16 Kenya 7.00 2006
17 Norway 6.80 2007
18 Tanzania 6.80 2008
19 Barbados 6.70 2009
20 Sweden 6.60 2007
21 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 6.60 2009
22 Malta 6.40 2007
23 Namibia 6.40 2008
24 Costa Rica 6.30 2009
25 Bolivia 6.30 2006
26 Fiji 6.20 2004
27 New Zealand 6.10 2007
28 Guyana 6.10 2007
29 Belgium 6.00 2007
30 Israel 5.90 2007
31 Cape Verde 5.90 2009
32 Kyrgyzstan 5.90 2008
33 Finland 5.90 2007
34 Jamaica 5.80 2009
35 Senegal 5.80 2009
36 Belize 5.70 2008
37 Samoa 5.70 2008
38 Saudi Arabia 5.60 2008
39 Mongolia 5.60 2009
40 Morocco 5.60 2008
41 France 5.60 2007
42 Ethiopia 5.50 2007
43 United Kingdom 5.50 2007
44 United States 5.50 2007
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:18 PM Author: cobalt stirring step-uncle's house Per capita. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21055139) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:27 PM Author: Electric gold dopamine cruise ship Since your op is already half wrong I'm going to need a link (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21055191) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:47 PM Author: cobalt stirring step-uncle's house No part of the OP is disproved by your link.
- per capita in dollars
- per capita as % of GDP
I'll try to find the link where I saw this. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:50 PM Author: cobalt stirring step-uncle's house http://mat.usc.edu/u-s-education-versus-the-world-infographic/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21055341) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 12:02 PM Author: bearded locale the american educational system is actually pretty good, although inefficient in dollar terms. the problem, and the available data shows this to be true, is the presence of low IQ subgroups that drag down the national average. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21054078) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:40 PM Author: cobalt stirring step-uncle's house BUT ARE KIDS DONT GET THE RESORSES THEY NEED DERP A DERP!!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21054676) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 12:05 PM Author: Stimulating crackhouse education, like health status, is mostly a function of effort and discipline and the little things ppl do daily that add up. libs think money is a big problem, it's not. throwing money at these problems will do little other than just make things more and more expensive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21054102) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:41 PM Author: cobalt stirring step-uncle's house Completely right, and an often overlooked point re HEALTH. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21054683) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 12:10 PM Author: hyperactive becky there are some bad cultural trends going on in america (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21054142) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:34 PM Author: anal talented theater stage cuck So you're saying we should spend less money on public education? How would that help America?
You utterly fail to realize that Americans hate education, unlike many of the other countries that succeed in education. You have politicians trashing "elites" and those who attend college. You have the GOP in Texas issuing an education policy that literally opposes the teaching of critical thinking skills because it might cause children not to blindly obey their parents. You have idiots who are pushing for the teaching of "intelligent design" in American science classes. More dumbasses are demanding that public money should be issued as vouchers that can be spent in predominantly religious private institutions.
Most of the morons causing most of the problems with education are conservatards. Then they look at the problems with the system, which they caused, and say that we should just stop funding public education. So what's their alternative? |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:37 PM Author: smoky crusty alpha Defund public schools. Dis-entitle teachers unions. Provide subsidized vouchers to attend privately run (obviously subject to oversight against overt incitement of violence) schools. Let schools compete for students instead of allotments. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21054662) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:39 PM Author: anal talented theater stage cuck You realize that most of the vouchers will go towards madrassas, yeshivas, and Catholic private schools that teach warped views, right? The point of public education is to Americanize and to provide a common basis and communal experience. Are you not understanding that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21054673) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:41 PM Author: smoky crusty alpha privately run =/= anarchist. There will still be prescribed non-discretionary standards for voucher payee eligibility (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21054682) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:43 PM Author: anal talented theater stage cuck Are you going to explicitly forbid religious institutions from getting vouchers? Are you going to *regulate* the payees by requiring them to teach evolution in science class? Pray tell, what are the standards and who will set them? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21054699) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:45 PM Author: smoky crusty alpha No, there wouldn't be outright censorship standards against non-economically harmful controversy. If parents want their kids to learn creationism/evolution then so be it. It's not that economically harmful. What is harmful would be teachers telling their students they should riot and light buildings on fire. Blatant disrespect for the rule of law, rather than educating them on the proper means to change laws they feel are unjust. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21054718) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:48 PM Author: anal talented theater stage cuck What are you babbling on about with regard to "non-economically harmful controversy." So you want our tax dollars to go to madrassas and yeshivas and butt-fucking little boys at Catholic school? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21054733) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:52 PM Author: smoky crusty alpha As opposed to our tax dollars going to teachers unions?
And as long as those madrassas and yeshivas are not promoting violence and destruction and a disrespect for the rule of law, then sure, why not. That's the parents' prerogative. If a Catholic school or any school has instances of nonconsensual sex abuse, the perpetrator should be prosecuted, and the school investigated for the adequacy of supervision and hiring policies, as an additional disincentive or fail-safe to parents likely pulling their kids out of that school once news surfaces. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:06 PM Author: anal talented theater stage cuck So you want public money to subsidize religious instruction. I believe that schools should teach American values, but you seem to hate that and want "multi-culturalism". Fuck you, you dumb faggot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21055075) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:10 PM Author: smoky crusty alpha No, don't strawman retard. I want the unions out of education entirely, and schools to compete for students (and their parents). Because supply is fixed short-run, there is a case for voucher subsidization until schools pop up that can service lower price point households. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21055099) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:13 PM Author: anal talented theater stage cuck "And as long as those madrassas and yeshivas are not promoting violence and destruction and a disrespect for the rule of law, then sure, why not."
So you're okay with everyone running off into madrassas and yeshivas. How the fuck is it a strawman when it is exactly what you're saying, you retarded dumbfuck? |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:19 PM Author: smoky crusty alpha Freedom of religion is an American value, retard. And voucher subsidization isn't there to promote any particular religion against the Establishment clause, it would be there to stave off the detrimental and perhaps choatic effect of hoards of roaming children which would be the result of shutting down the public schools, which needs to happen immediately. Vouchers are a transitionary easing mechanism until supply expands. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21055146) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2012 4:17 PM Author: Drunken At-the-ready Genital Piercing He's flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21251871) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:44 PM Author: cobalt stirring step-uncle's house You're damn right. And Americanization = Christian values. And an appreciation for America, in my shitlib state it was all about learning to hate America. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21054706) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:47 PM Author: anal talented theater stage cuck If by "learning to hate America" you mean "learning about American history," then that's really unavoidable. We slaughtered all the American Indians, then had slaves. Then we sicced dogs on blacks after we firebombed Dresden and nuked Japan twice. You can have your own viewpoints on these events, but you can't forbid their teaching to our children.
Our children need to be able to decide what kind of country they want America to be. Shielding them and preventing them from thinking is not going to help them. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:49 PM Author: cobalt stirring step-uncle's house That's not what I mean at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21054739) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:52 PM Author: anal talented theater stage cuck What do you mean? I know that in my hick state, there was a lot of controversy when we learned about slavery and shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21054750) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:04 PM Author: cobalt stirring step-uncle's house Yeah I think this varies greatly by state.
It wasn't just the facts, there was a ton of spin against America and never any highlighting of the positive aspects of anything that was done, just a big sob story about the negatives. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:16 PM Author: anal talented theater stage cuck Are you kidding? We learned that there were Indians, and we killed them. There were slaves, then we stopped that. Present that in a way that does not constitute "spin against America". (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21055126) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:43 PM Author: high-end angry parlor 99% of teachers became teachers because they were lazy fucks in college and wanted an easy major followed by an easy job with the summers off where they could draw up some lesson plans in year one (or just borrow them from an older teacher) and then use the same shit over and over again for the next forty years, and where after they put five years in they could mail it in for the rest of their life and it would still be impossible for them to be fired.
But yeah, lets pay these fuckers more. That will solve the NIQ problem. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:51 PM Author: anal talented theater stage cuck I didn't say we should pay them more. I just said that we shouldn't take apart the system. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21054747) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:55 PM Author: high-end angry parlor That is the fucking system retard. Tell me what else you are talking about when you are saying we should pay more for education. Do you mean new buildings? Won't change a fucking thing. New textbooks? There isn't anything wrong with the old ones. Put more computers in the classroom? Waste of fucking time. What could you possibly be talking about? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21054763) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:50 PM Author: anal talented theater stage cuck Let me repeat myself. I did not say we should pay more for education. I only stated my opposition to tearing down the system we have in place. Schools have the benefit of forcing us to sit down with the drooling retards and learning to how do with them. Vouchers will lead to Jews going to yeshivas, Muslims to madrassas, Asians to SAT prep schools, gays to Catholic school, and blacks in public school. Then all of these assholes will graduate after 12 years of education, go to college (well, not the blacks), and then realize that they do not share a common base of American experience such as football, pledging allegiance to the flag, and trying to fuck hot cheerleaders. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21054992) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2012 4:19 PM Author: Drunken At-the-ready Genital Piercing Celebrate diversity mother fucker. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21251914) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:44 PM Author: cobalt stirring step-uncle's house Link to your claim re Texas so you can be pwned. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21054714) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:50 PM Author: anal talented theater stage cuck http://s3.amazonaws.com/texasgop_pre/assets/original/2012Platform_Final.pdf
On page 12, under "Knowledge-based Education":
“We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority.”
I sit in wait for my pwning. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:56 PM Author: smoky crusty alpha why don't you start by looking at the curriculum and more importantly the results of HOTS education, rather than simply assuming its content solely by its title. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21054771) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:36 PM Author: anal talented theater stage cuck I have a position paper of the GOP saying that it opposes the teaching of critical thinking skills in schools. I'm assuming that they oppose the teaching of critical thinking skills in schools. What's wrong with that? Where's your evidence that it isn't what is literally says? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21054930) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:38 PM Author: cobalt stirring step-uncle's house No, it's lib brainwashing that they call "critical thinking skills."
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublespeak |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:58 PM Author: smoky crusty alpha cr. similar to what they did to the word "liberal" itself. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21055033) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:02 PM Author: anal talented theater stage cuck This is the GOP. They are not talking about "critical thinking skills" in the way a liberal uses it. But you are engaging in doublespeak when you claim that a phrase used by the GOP does not actually mean what it means.
The GOP opposes critical thinking skills because it causes you to question authority. What the fuck do you think they mean? |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:04 PM Author: smoky crusty alpha no, the GOP's mistake here is allowing the distortion to continue by using the term as Liberals are intending it, rather than by its original meaning. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21055068) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:07 PM Author: anal talented theater stage cuck "...critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and *have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority.*"
Why is challenging the student's fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority a bad thing? The student should learn to think for himself. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:15 PM Author: cobalt stirring step-uncle's house Little children can't think for themselves. They are literally not capable of that at this point in their mental development. What you have is an important authority figure, the teacher, taking controversial positions that disagree with the parents' positions. And the curriculum demands that the children accept this.
OBE has been discontinued around the world in most places where it was implemented. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:17 PM Author: anal talented theater stage cuck Yeah, parents aren't important authority figures? What do you think schools are teaching kids? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21055135) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:20 PM Author: cobalt stirring step-uncle's house You're not making sense any more. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21055151) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:14 PM Author: cobalt stirring step-uncle's house This doesn't really explain anything.
Are they sitting down and telling little kids to question what their parents say? That would make me incredibly pissed. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:38 PM Author: anal talented theater stage cuck From the Wikipedia article, OBE focuses on standardized testing. Not really sure why the Texas GOP is MAF about it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21054937) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:44 PM Author: cobalt stirring step-uncle's house Upon quick googling, it sounds like it is because it mainly focuses on getting students to adopt a certain attitude or value rather than just teaching academic content. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21054959) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:52 PM Author: anal talented theater stage cuck I thought it had to do with standardized testing, such as adopting the value that 1+1=2. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21055007) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:59 PM Author: cobalt stirring step-uncle's house Well, apparently you're wrong at least on how this plays out in practice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21055034) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:01 PM Author: anal talented theater stage cuck Let's be real here. Neither of us knows how this plays out in practice. But opposing the teaching of critical thinking is a fucking ridiculous position. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21055049) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:03 PM Author: smoky crusty alpha what they are calling "critical thinking" is not what you think it is. It is not lsat-type logical reasoning. It is critical race theory and its progeny dumbed down for kids. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21055063) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:04 PM Author: anal talented theater stage cuck The GOP is against critical thinking because it might undermine parental authority. Isn't school supposed to enable you to think for yourself? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21055067) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:06 PM Author: cobalt stirring step-uncle's house You have ceased being responsive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21055077) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:08 PM Author: anal talented theater stage cuck You're being a faggot. The GOP is saying that it opposes a teaching theory because it challenges the student’s fixed beliefs and undermines parental authority. What is bad about teaching children to think for themselves? The GOP explicitly says it is against teaching regimes that challenge fixed beliefs and undermines parental authority. How can you blame that on liberals when the GOP is saying this, you dumb faggot? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21055090) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 9:06 PM Author: supple harsh pit psychic you cannot teach a child who is to young to think for himself to think for himself, retard. they aren't teaching them to "question authority"--they're just teaching them to regurgitate lib talking points (like your posts). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21057644) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:08 PM Author: smoky crusty alpha It's hardly "thinking for yourself" when the teachers are preaching an ideological agenda predicated on a belief that power structures are determined by outdated notions of race and gender status and that an identity-based, rather than merit based, redistribution of power is necessary to remedy past ills, regardless of the fact beneficiaries of that redistribution never themselves suffered institutional disadvantage. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21055088) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:09 PM Author: anal talented theater stage cuck "...have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority."
The GOP does not want you to challenge anyone's beliefs. Explain that. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:12 PM Author: smoky crusty alpha your strawmans have grown tiring. Why don't educate yourself before you attempt to discuss intelligently education reform. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21055107) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:17 PM Author: anal talented theater stage cuck HAHAHAHA. I am literally citing their policy paper and you are saying that I'm attacking a strawman. That's fucking rich. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21055129) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:22 PM Author: smoky crusty alpha One doesn't logically implicate the other. If anyone is in need of critical thinking skills, it's you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21055157) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:22 PM Author: cobalt stirring step-uncle's house We have long moved past the language of your quote to see what exactly they were talking about, instead of just what a bunch of words might mean. Try to keep up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21055162) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:06 PM Author: cobalt stirring step-uncle's house cr. And atheism. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21055076) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:06 PM Author: floppy infuriating parlour hissy fit Charter schools are common in Europe and the state will pay for a child to attend a religious school. Religious instruction is present in the state schools of many European countries, as well.
Fuck yourself you ignorant wannabe Frenchman Americunt faggot. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:40 PM Author: anal talented theater stage cuck What the fuck are you talking about? The French system will pay for education in a religious school, and, from Wikipedia, "under strict conditions of not forcing religion courses on students and not discriminating against students according to religion." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21054946) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 7:10 PM Author: floppy infuriating parlour hissy fit Good thing France is the only country in Europe, eh?
You stupid, dozy shit. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:52 PM Author: Chocolate Set I don't know, but school vouchers for all are a bunch of bullshit.
Private School costs are following higher education costs. My private High School costs twice as much now than it did when I was there, and I graduated less than a decade ago.
You know how much it would cost if everyone got a school voucher? Exactly what it costs now PLUS whatever a school voucher covers. It wouldn't draw in any new students.
Vouchers are fucking scam. You're just going to get a bunch of "private" schools that spring up to make money off of them and they're going to suck balls. It's also just nonsense to get the gov to subsidize fundie schools. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:01 PM Author: Chocolate Set Also, 80% of private schools are complete shit ime. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21054792) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:16 PM Author: cobalt stirring step-uncle's house Schools can be required to charge no more than the amount of the voucher or some other amount. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21054844) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:56 PM Author: Nofapping impertinent point Vouchers are, by and large, not the answer.
Charters absolutely are. Watch Waiting for Superman.
It is physically impossible at a state-run school to: - create any coherent sense of law and order, culture of respect (both for authority and peers), intellectual curiosity, and hard work. Charter schools largely succeed because they can have longer school days, uniforms, stricter behavioral rules, etc. David Brooks makes good points here in The Social Animal. - fire a teacher. There was literally a case in NY recently in which a lesbo nigger teacher had had sexual harassment complaints filed against her multiple times. The school COULD NOT fire her because she had unionized tenure. Teacher tenure is the most buttfucking retarded system I can possibly imagine. It's bad enough at the higher education level, but TENURE for high school teachers, simply based on the number of years you've managed to pass a handful of niggers through your recycled lesson plan? Holy fucking shit. They need to run it like a goddamn business. Hire the best people, pay them well, fire them if they don't perform, hire someone better. It's not that fucking complicated. - be flexible in curricula and technology. It would absolutely be better to literally sell every. single. textbook. in the ENTIRE public education system, take the money, buy a 1st or 2nd gen used iPad for every student, and assign Khan Academy for homework every night. Only a charter school can make decisions like this fast enough to keep pace with the modern world.
tl;dr our public education system was created in the industrial age to mirror an assembly line. 2012 is not the fucking industrial age. Keep the little fuckers in line, but create a dynamic environment that allows them to master the basics at their own pace while exploring their personal interests. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:59 PM Author: cobalt stirring step-uncle's house Charter schools are very credited. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21055040) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:00 PM Author: anal talented theater stage cuck I agree that charter schools are the answer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21055044) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:03 PM Author: Nofapping impertinent point Bill fucking Gates spends literally BILLIONS of dollars on charter schools. People who don't think they're a better system should gas themselves immediately. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21055060) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:08 PM Author: cobalt stirring step-uncle's house You realize that charter schools are just public schools without unions, right? That's basically it, plus no central curriculum planning.
You're not being a very good shitlib by supporting them. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:09 PM Author: anal talented theater stage cuck That's because you're being a faggot who wants to support vouchers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21055096) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:13 PM Author: Nofapping impertinent point Education is a public good. If you disagree with this, you know absolutely nothing about basic concepts of rights, goods, and the purpose of the state, and you have no fucking place participating in this adult discussion. At the K-12 level, it is not a fucking product. Having a better educated, more cultured populace makes the nation better for everyone. It directly impacts our economy, cuts down on crime, improves health, etc.
But just because it should be publicly funded doesn't mean it should be publicly governed. Bureaucracy is the death of efficiency. Give them the fucking money and then take your hands off. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:01 PM Author: Vigorous coffee pot charter schools would only have an advantage if we permitted them to expel unruly students with ease and impunity, and without having to follow the convoluted "appeals" system present in public schools where education has been defined as a "right" that can't just be "revoked" without "due process."
if they have to become part of that whole mess just in order to expel students, then nothing much would change at all.
in any case, you can only teach the students you actually have, and in some places, the "human capital" is not that great, and the structure of the school is more or less irrelevant to overall performance. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:03 PM Author: anal talented theater stage cuck Faggots will whine about "tracking" but piece of shit kids should not be allowed to drag down other kids. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21055064) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:05 PM Author: Vigorous coffee pot they should be sent to "reform schools" like in the old days, which was basically a method of isolating the fuckups from the regulars. and if you do well in reform school, you might even get a shot at regular school again, too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21055070) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:10 PM Author: anal talented theater stage cuck Fuck reform school. Those faggots should be sent to learn a fucking trade. After all, they'll be stamping out license plates in prison so they might as well get a jump on it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21055100) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:05 PM Author: Nofapping impertinent point what you fail to understand, brainless faggot, is that student behavior can be greatly affected from an early age by the structure of the school system itself (e.g. uniforms, strict rules, longer hours, serious detentions where you have to sit up straight in complete silence, staring at the fucking wall)
and teacher unions are the single most important reason charters >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> state-run |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:07 PM Author: Vigorous coffee pot student behavior has to do with things like discipline and general order. obviously it's better to have order than not.
but again, a charter school can't magically take some kid with an IQ in the low/middle-80's and turn him into a future doctor/chemist/whatever. the best a charter school can do is help those kids reach whatever the potential of an 83 IQ happens to be, which unfortunately isn't that much. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:09 PM Author: Nofapping impertinent point a) not if they get the kid in 3rd grade. The developmental potential between elementary school and high school is fucking insane
b) sure, but they can turn the kid into a respectable, well-behaved 83 IQ who can graduate and hold down a decent job. You realize the dropout rate at many public HSs is well over 50% now? The men go straight into crime, and the women intentionally get knocked up to score a bigger welfare check. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:19 PM Author: anal talented theater stage cuck I actually agree with you here. We need to turn those niggers on the street into those niggers at McDonald's. We can do it! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21055143) |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:23 PM Author: Nofapping impertinent point Srsly though. I don't give a shit that they're poor. The problem is they're poor and killing people, smoking crack, and wasting resources in prison
and the fact that thousands upon thousands of hoodrat girls actually want a baby just for the extra cash is behavior straight out of the third world. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 6:59 PM Author: smoky crusty alpha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21056566) |
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Date: July 11th, 2012 10:54 AM Author: Bull headed famous landscape painting selfie Black people are only 10% of the population. You racist fucktards never talk about the millions of whites in the South who sit on food stamps all day, do meth, and have never read a history book. That's not a black problem. That's a Louisiana problem. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21061340) |
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Date: July 11th, 2012 10:58 AM Author: Bespoke Therapy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21061374) |
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Date: July 12th, 2012 11:43 PM Author: demanding preventive strike (black nigger) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21074563) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2012 2:51 PM Author: smoky crusty alpha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21250971) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2012 3:47 PM Author: cobalt stirring step-uncle's house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21251517) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2012 3:50 PM Author: Rose karate blacks will start learnin once we double education funding, paid for by those making 250K a year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1989670&forum_id=2#21251549) |