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Date: June 1st, 2013 2:03 AM Author: Arousing shivering abode That's the grand prize: working in an office, staring at screens, for the best years of your life, for the vast majority of your waking hours. LOL! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2270619&forum_id=2#23309318) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 9:53 AM Author: Ruddy skinny woman and giving up more than 70% of your paycheck for rent + tax alone. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2270619&forum_id=2#23309974) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 10:28 AM Author: Know-it-all Station (guy who rents $4000/month apartment, doesn't understand tax planning, is confused why he is poor) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2270619&forum_id=2#23310040) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 10:29 AM Author: Ruddy skinny woman $4000 isn't too much if you have family, I don't personally do this, but know several who do pay 4k+.
isn't much you can do with tax if you earn income from work and lives in nyc |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 10:39 AM Author: Know-it-all Station If you have a family, put those fuckers to work contributing some income or move out of NYC so your kids don't turn into awful rich Manhattan kids (absolutely the worst people in the world). I'm talking about typical post-LS dude w/o family.
There is a shit-ton you can do with tax - IRA/401k, HSA, itemized deductions, 529 plan, etc. Obviously there is more to do once you own a house, but you have to get out of the mindset where it makes sense to spend 35%+ of a very high income on renting a slightly better MFH shithole in order to save up for a house. NYC is a great place to save as long as you can stay out of spending traps, because the incomes are so much higher than the rest of the country and you can get so much value if you transport compounded savings to a more reasonably-priced location. |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 10:44 AM Author: Ruddy skinny woman The so-called tax planning tips you listed were just common sense shit that everyone knows about. There are only so much you can do with tax on your salary. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2270619&forum_id=2#23310094) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:04 AM Author: Know-it-all Station Of course. But if you are paying over 70% in taxes and rent you are doing it wrong. Taxes on an NYC biglaw associate should be somewhere in the 30-35% range, and that is assuming that you can't move out of the city or own a home. If you are spending more than 35% of 160k on rent, you are spending too much ($4600/month). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2270619&forum_id=2#23310165) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:16 AM Author: Ruddy skinny woman 4k+ for single is too much, I agree. but for a family there are not too many apartments available under 4k unless you live in a shithole, in this case the person should probably move out of mfh, but there are beta strivers who insist on living in mfh.
I agree with all your points. I wasn't defending these folks, I was mocking them. LOL at beta strivers who bust their asses only to fork over vast majority of their money to uncle sam and landlord, there are shocking number of such persons in biglaw |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:27 AM Author: Know-it-all Station Agree that there are lots of fools doing what you say.
Also lots of bros use law school to trade up from utter shitjobs in flyover country to 160k in MFH. If you're smart about taxes and housing costs, can save a chunk that exceeds entire previous annual salary. |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:33 AM Author: Ruddy skinny woman I saved at least twice my pre-ls salary in first year, I also had 1 kid. I don't know about striver betas, but I don't see myself doing this shit forever, gotta save as much as I can while it lasts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2270619&forum_id=2#23310244) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2013 6:04 PM Author: Heady trailer park toaster you have to spend $4k in MFH just to get a place that is somewhat livable (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2270619&forum_id=2#23452272) |
Date: June 1st, 2013 2:08 AM Author: Floppy maroon lay (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2270619&forum_id=2#23309339) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 2:36 AM Author: Wonderful generalized bond meetinghouse it's true. 99.6% of people suck. better live it up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2270619&forum_id=2#23309413) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 9:36 AM Author: nubile chartreuse stead death wish (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2270619&forum_id=2#23309943) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 9:38 AM Author: Wild nursing home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2270619&forum_id=2#23309949) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 9:51 AM Author: impressive hell LJL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2270619&forum_id=2#23309970) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 9:52 AM Author: offensive galvanic candlestick maker native Oh, what a scholar! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2270619&forum_id=2#23309973) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 9:53 AM Author: dark legal warrant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2270619&forum_id=2#23309975) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 10:31 AM Author: Dull business firm it's about expected future value. slaving in MFH during your 20s = possibility of chill six figure job later in life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2270619&forum_id=2#23310049) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 10:32 AM Author: Ruddy skinny woman very valid point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2270619&forum_id=2#23310052) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 10:37 AM Author: stimulating gaming laptop or you can be a cop in MFH and RETIRE after your 20s into a chill six figure pension. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2270619&forum_id=2#23310065) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 10:39 AM Author: Dull business firm simply not an option for our effete, over-educated generation.
they would be squeezed out within a few years, either by their own accord or their by their colleagues. |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 10:40 AM Author: Gay gas station kitty there are very few chill six figure jobs in existence (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2270619&forum_id=2#23310077) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 10:41 AM Author: Dull business firm perhaps. but I don't see the alternative. making 40-50k in some random career in your 40s? seems far shitter than the indentured servitude part. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2270619&forum_id=2#23310079) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 10:43 AM Author: Gay gas station kitty It depends on a number of factors. 40k goes a lot further in cities other than New York, and you have to make over 100k in NYC to live as well as someone who makes 40k in some random 300,000 person city. It also depends on what you want out of life. Wasting your life in an office is definitely not for everyone. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2270619&forum_id=2#23310093) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 10:46 AM Author: Ruddy skinny woman biglawyers probably make a lot more than 100k, so still better than 40k, but you do have to work longer hours, which sux ass (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2270619&forum_id=2#23310109) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 10:47 AM Author: Gay gas station kitty biglawyers make about 160k when they start out, which is good but is not actually all that much in mfh. biglaw partners make millions so they are obviously super elites, but most lawyers will never make partner. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2270619&forum_id=2#23310113) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 10:52 AM Author: Ruddy skinny woman logic fail? you said someone had to make 100k to live as well as someone making 40k elsewhere. Isn't the low end of the spectrum, 160k, more than 100k? so biglawyers do better in MFH than someone making 40k in some random city. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2270619&forum_id=2#23310129) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 10:53 AM Author: Gay gas station kitty I said you had to make over 100k, I wasn't trying to give precise figures. Secondly, I never said the person making 160k isn't doing better than someone making 40k in a random city, I said 160k isn't that much in MFH. It's not. Your reading comprehension skills need work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2270619&forum_id=2#23310133) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 10:59 AM Author: Ruddy skinny woman I do not recall discussing whether 160k is a lot in NYC. inventing new topics to cover up your logic fail isn't gonna work.
on that new topic, I disagree, 160k is a lot in nyc, you can live well on 160k, the issue for junior associates are a lack of time to enjoy life + debt. otherwise 160k is good money even in nyc |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:00 AM Author: Gay gas station kitty That's nice, but my point is not that you said anything about whether 160k in mfh, it's about whether or not I claimed that someone making 160k isn't doing better than someone making 40k. I didn't, so your point is irrelevant and makes no sense. Now kill yourself you 160 lsat moron.
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:03 AM Author: Ruddy skinny woman logic and human interaction epic fail. go fuck self (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2270619&forum_id=2#23310162) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:04 AM Author: Gay gas station kitty no, you made the logic fail by assuming that most post about biglaywers was connected to my other post, even though there was no reason to believe that was the case. you just wanted to score a cheap point, but fortunately for me you are an idiot and just embarrassed yourself. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2270619&forum_id=2#23310167) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 10:47 AM Author: Dull business firm I'd like to know what the alternatives are. I'm not being snide. I am genuinely curious. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2270619&forum_id=2#23310111) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 10:48 AM Author: Gay gas station kitty What field are you in? A lot of coastal types seem to thin jobs don't exist in places other than NYC and California, but that is just obviously false. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2270619&forum_id=2#23310117) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 10:50 AM Author: Dull business firm not law, finance or medicine. the kind of field in which most people work 9-5 office jobs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2270619&forum_id=2#23310123) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 10:51 AM Author: Gay gas station kitty then there are tons of jobs available all over the country assuming you have experience. just apply for jobs in the city you want to move to. if the company wants to know why you want to relocate tell them you wanted to move somewhere that you could raise a family or some such bullshit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2270619&forum_id=2#23310127) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 10:53 AM Author: Ruddy skinny woman medical jobs are far more plentiful and pay far more in non-coastal cities. finance + law are the reverse. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2270619&forum_id=2#23310131) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:30 AM Author: Curious big-titted hospital psychic finance at non-financial companies is a good source of 9-5 office work outside nyc/ca (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2270619&forum_id=2#23310226) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:02 AM Author: Passionate garnet pit multi-billionaire the 2030's, just a chill fratty six figure decade for xo MFH bros (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2270619&forum_id=2#23310154) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 10:36 AM Author: stimulating gaming laptop fuck. this is me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2270619&forum_id=2#23310063) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 3:02 AM Author: brass painfully honest newt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2270619&forum_id=2#23315328) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 10:01 PM Author: Angry persian si... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2270619&forum_id=2#23325778) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:11 AM Author: rose immigrant dilemma the problem is that what you describe would be an improvement for me and is something i am striving to achieve
it's so desperate for me i am going to go begging at the midtown temp agencies for scraps
/selfgas |
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 2:22 AM Author: Thriller public bath scourge upon the earth 90% of insufferable biglaw whining comes from people for whom biglaw was their first job.
Look, work sucks. It sucks everywhere, it sucks to varying degrees. Very very very few people are actually happy at their jobs.
And yeah, biglaw sucks more than many other jobs in a lot of ways, but don't kid yourself: while it's possible that if you didn't go to LS you might've gotten a decent-paying better-than-biglaw job, it's even more likely you'd be among the countless people out there working just as hard as biglawyers and with just as little job security who are making a fraction as much money. |
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 2:56 AM Author: Sadistic therapy The last sentence is true. And even among lawyers. I was a shitlawyer working at about 2000 hours a year. 45k salary. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2270619&forum_id=2#23315292) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 3:05 AM Author: rusted yarmulke Dead wrong. But, 90% of 3L-rationalizing-that-they're-the-special-snowflake-that-will-actually-love-biglaw comes from people who say, oh, the complainers just haven't worked a day in their life.
And I know because I made the same mistake. |
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 3:12 AM Author: Thriller public bath scourge upon the earth Here's the cold, hard truth. Happiness is based almost entirely on how you view what you have relative to how you view what others have. You can make yourself miserable comparing your lot in life with those out there who make more or work better hours. Or you can be relatively happy comparing yourself with those who work their asses off and make a lot less. The fact is, there are a LOT more people who work their asses off for nothing than there are people who make good money with good hours. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2270619&forum_id=2#23315361) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 3:17 AM Author: rusted yarmulke The cold, hard truth is that lawyers are the most suicidal of the professionals, the most stressed, and the most prone to substance abuse. There is a reason for that.
The cold, hard truth is that in biglaw, everybody remotely pleasant and even those who aren't unanimously hate it and are plotting exits by the second or third year. |
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 4:06 AM Author: Thriller public bath scourge upon the earth This is the exact kind of insufferable whining I was talking about. Oh, woe is me! We have it worse than everyone else!
1) We're not the most suicidal profession; we rank 12th. Doctors, FYI, are #2.
2) We're not the most stressed. We're not even in the top #10. And sure, most of us aren't weighing being a lawyer against being a combat soldier (#1), firefighter (#2) or cop (#5), but event planners, PR reps and corporate execs all have higher stress levels than lawyers.
3) Lawyers are not in the top 10 jobs for either alcoholism or illegal drug use.
Yes, plenty of people in biglaw hate their jobs and fantasize about leaving (though it's not unanimous, don't be ridiculous).
But guess what: MOST PEOPLE IN MOST JOBS HATE THEIR JOB AND FANTASIZE ABOUT LEAVING.
Part of thinking that you're a special snowflake involves thinking you are unique, you are set apart. You have that mentality because you think that your lot as a biglawyer is worse than everyone else's. It's not. Sorry, you aren't uniquely screwed. You don't have it worse than everyone else. Life really is just that hard. |
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 10:44 AM Author: cracking shrine circlehead Some days i agree with this. Other days i feel there must be a better way to live than what i am doing.
And I had jobs before law school. I lived paycheck to paycheck, which sucked. But I could make plans to enjoy my weekend and know those plans would actually become a reality. I underrated the latter.
Problem is now I'm spoiled and the idea of going back to a life of not being able to buy what I want, go out to eat where I want, etc, is hard for me to swallow. |
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 3:18 PM Author: rusted yarmulke Poor fella, you're trying way too hard. You don't have any insight; you're simply repeating the same mantra that every biglaw-seeking law student has told themselves. I'm sorry.
"According to an often cited Johns Hopkins University study of more than 100 occupations, researchers found that lawyers lead the nation with the highest incidence of depression.(1)
An ABA Young Lawyers Division survey indicated that 41 percent of female attorneys were unhappy with their jobs.(2)
In 1996, lawyers overtook dentists as the profession with the highest rate of suicide.(3)
The ABA estimates that 15-20 percent of all U.S. lawyers suffer from alcoholism or substance abuse.(4)
Seven in ten lawyers responding to a California Lawyers magazine poll said they would change careers if the opportunity arose.(5)" |
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 4:21 PM Author: Thriller public bath scourge upon the earth I have the same insight as you - is it so incomprehensible that not everyone in biglaw is as whiny as you? I'm not saying biglaw is all sunshine and rainbows. There are tons of things I hate about my job (most of all, the hours), but I'm under no illusion that we lawyers are sooooooo special and that we have it worse than everyone else.
BTW all the numbers I posted are from recent studies as well. If you're going to cherry-pick data, you might as well at least want to use data from this century; not 1996. And of course all the ABA studies find that things are bad for lawyers. That crap is biased. Use studies that are not from specific professional organizations and that don't have an agenda. |
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 4:40 PM Author: rusted yarmulke I'm former biglaw, so your constant "whiny biglawyer" insults miss the mark. And yes, I'm much happier now that my biglaw phase is over -- which doesn't surprise anybody, though it may surprise you.
LOL at saying all these studies are biased. Regardless, if you're truly a biglawyer, the studies don't matter. You'd know full well that the majority of associates are deeply unhappy and looking to escape. You can try to argue that the reasons for that are dumb, but you can't truly argue that that's not the case. Assuming you're actually a biglawyer, of course. |
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 4:52 PM Author: Thriller public bath scourge upon the earth It doesn't surprise me. Biglaw is not a job that most people can or should stay in longterm. It's not an industry structured around sustainable careers for most incoming associates. I doubt I'll be around more than a few more years myself.
But you can do your time and get out, knowing full well it's not a longterm path for you, without coming to the ridiculous conclusion that NO ONE - absolutely NO ONE has it worse than lawyers.
It's called perspective. Grow up and get some. |
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 5:07 PM Author: Transparent Quadroon Sanctuary "I doubt I'll be around more than a few more years myself."
Only someone pretending to be a biglawyer would write the above sentence. |
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 5:15 PM Author: Thriller public bath scourge upon the earth Right, because most midlevels expect to make partner. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2270619&forum_id=2#23318242) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 7:38 PM Author: Transparent Quadroon Sanctuary No, you dumb faggot, most midlevels have very definite ideas of what's about to happen to them or how much more they can stand toiling in a Biglaw shithole.
LOL @ the idea of some 'biglawyer' hemming and hawing about how much longer he's going to stay |
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Date: June 3rd, 2013 8:23 PM Author: Thriller public bath scourge upon the earth Key word in your post there is "most."
I'm okay for now. I know I won't make partner, but I'm in no rush to leave. Unless I get pushed out before then, I plan to start testing the waters in a year or so - see what kind of lateral options I have. Whether I stick around much longer depends on whether/how quickly I find a great landing spot. |
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 1:11 PM Author: abnormal place of business gaping FALSE. I worked a great variety of jobs from the age of 14 on.
Biglaw just sucks. It's not hard necessarily. It just sucks and is a waste of life.
The hilarious and pathetic thing is that people do biglaw for the money and it's not even THAT much money. You're not getting rich. It's like two normal jobs to squeeze extra cash out of the moments that comprise your useless life. |
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 2:19 PM Author: Thriller public bath scourge upon the earth 1) Most people feel like their jobs suck and are a waste of life. The fact that you did some random part-time job when you were 14 so you had more spending money does not mean you know what it's like to feel trapped in a normal office job making $70k with little opportunity for advancement, knowing full well that will be your life for the next 30 years (if you're lucky enough not to be laid off).
2) Biglawyers make more money than the vast majority of people will ever see in their lives. Whether you're getting "rich" is all a matter of perspective - you could save up a few hundred thousand by the time you're midlevel and then go live in a low COL area at an above average lifestyle (for those in the low COL area). People don't realize this because they lack imagination and are unable to comprehend what life is like outside their own narrow experiences. You've never experienced real want, or real suffering.
To reiterate: quit your insufferable whining. Others have it far worse than you. You don't get to feel like you've uniquely suffered a horrible fate by spending a few years of your life in biglaw. |
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 3:22 PM Author: rusted yarmulke 1. If he worked many jobs from the age of 14 he probably knows perfectly well what the $70k office job felt like.
2. Are you even a lawyer? Hundred bucks says you're a law student. Get off your pedestal with "people don't realize this," "you've never experienced real want," etc.
You don't know shit. |
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 4:14 PM Author: Thriller public bath scourge upon the earth Lol, I'm a biglaw lit midlevel. I'm speaking based on my own insights and experience.
I'm just not a "woe is me" whiny bitch like you.
There's real suffering out there in the world. Lots of it. Don't pretend your life falls anywhere in the ballpark of that category. |
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 4:28 PM Author: rusted yarmulke LOL sure you are pal. Let's hear some more insights then. As a midlevel, how many in your class are left? Are they dropping like flies and, if so, why? Is it because they're just trust fund babies who've never had a real job in their life?
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 4:45 PM Author: Thriller public bath scourge upon the earth You seem to struggle with either nuance or reading comprehension, so I'll make it easy for you:
About half of my class is no longer at my firm, but most are still in biglaw (many have lateralled to other firms). A few are now in gov jobs, in-house, or in smaller firms. A handful realized that law wasn't for them and have left practice altogether.
But here's the thing: as much as I and they complain, neither I nor they are so self-absorbed to think we have it worse than anyone else. Actually, I take it back: I know one such guy - he's a senior associate who despite bitching ceaselessly is still here. He bills a TON of hours, possible out of a misguided hope he can make partner. He won't. |
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 5:06 PM Author: rusted yarmulke Got it, so LITERALLY HALF of your class has already left this really well-paying job that is about as good as it gets.
Actions speak louder than words. Just because your co-workers don't share how they feel with you -- which isn't surprising -- that doesn't mean you shouldn't have asked yourself at some point, why has LITERALLY HALF of my class left my firm? |
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 5:12 PM Author: Thriller public bath scourge upon the earth Right, because my saying that biglaw sucks about as much as most jobs (but doesn't suck worse than every other job in creation) and that I have plenty of complaints about biglaw is EXACTLY the same as me saying that biglaw is "as good as it gets."
Ok, either you're running some low IQ shtick or you're legitimately dumb.
Either way, I'm done arguing with you. |
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 5:28 PM Author: rusted yarmulke Right, because your point in making all these posts was simply to say "hey guys I can totally name a couple jobs worse than biglaw so it literally is not the worst job in creation."
Thanks for bringing this to the board bro. You're absolutely right that biglaw literally is not the worst job in creation. |
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Date: June 22nd, 2013 6:11 PM Author: low-t boiling water keepsake machete nice PWNAGE. clearly you were talking to an idiot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2270619&forum_id=2#23452300) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2013 6:08 PM Author: Heady trailer park toaster I think people like you are the ones who haven't worked a day in your life. (Or who are lawl students who don't know how hard biglaw is.) I worked several jobs before biglaw. They were all chill as fuck. Most people don't do jack shit at work. That's the cold hard truth. Biglawyers are one of the few jobs where you actually have to stress a ton and work a ton. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2270619&forum_id=2#23452281) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 2:29 PM Author: yapping frozen stain antidepressant drug this is a pretty good thread.
thanks bort.
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Date: June 22nd, 2013 5:58 PM Author: Dashing Brunch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2270619&forum_id=2#23452240) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 7:44 PM Author: Cocky aphrodisiac laser beams police squad I think every dude should strive to spend their first few years out of college/law school as a single dude in MFH.
If you make 80-170k as a 22 year old single dude in MFH, and you don't give a fuck about saving a penny, you can live the life: slaying pussy, good night life, cool shit to do. Once you start caring about saving up it's a pretty shitty place, though. |
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 7:47 PM Author: Ruddy skinny woman agree with this
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Date: June 22nd, 2013 6:01 PM Author: Seedy Dun Fortuitous Meteor Mediation If you make 80-170k as a young single dude in MFH, you often work 80 hours a week and work a job requiring you to check your email every 15 minutes all day, every day.
Not much time for fun.
Young + high-income + free time = FLAME.
It's the people in their late 20s and early 30s who have actual fun and happiness... |
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Date: February 28th, 2014 11:01 AM Author: twisted bearded forum mad-dog skullcap http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indentured_servant
This is CR. First section of the wiki link mirrors the boomer-millenial relationship. |
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