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Near top of class. T-14. What next
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Date: June 11th, 2013 10:32 PM Author: Mauve Vivacious International Law Enforcement Agency Shrine Among top handful of 1Ls at a non-HYS T-14. What next?
Grew up in NYC and leaning corporate. What's the credited firm?
Avoid NYC and cop quality of life in Chicago or DC (ties from undergrad + work experience) ? Or is that overstated?
Convince myself to do clerkships/ litigation instead?
In before 'drop out', 'don't do law', etc. comments
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Date: June 11th, 2013 10:36 PM Author: Unhinged public bath mad cow disease if I were you . . . I'd do something like:
2L at a prestigious firm (market doesn't really matter)
Clerk somewhere prestigious . . .
Shoot for DoJ Honors (do SEC or something like that if you want corp) and if you don't get that, then go to your firm. |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 12:43 PM Author: Beady-eyed organic girlfriend native hey first response is credited. keep those grades up 2l year for clerkships though bruh also do law review and be sure to cop an SA at a prestigious firm next fall edit: actually, if you want, gun your ass off, do ed board of LR, make good grades all 3 years, and shoot for a scotus clerkship. then teach |
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Date: June 11th, 2013 10:36 PM Author: odious reading party rigpig Get off this board. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279393&forum_id=2#23376655) |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 11:48 AM Author: chocolate bawdyhouse wagecucks Take a year off (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279393&forum_id=2#23380115) |
Date: June 11th, 2013 10:34 PM Author: yellow adventurous telephone biglaw slave for 2.5 years -> pushed out -> basement. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279393&forum_id=2#23376640) |
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Date: June 11th, 2013 10:34 PM Author: Mauve Vivacious International Law Enforcement Agency Shrine Looking for a more specific pathway toward this goal, brother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279393&forum_id=2#23376642) |
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Date: June 11th, 2013 10:38 PM Author: yellow adventurous telephone You're pretty screwed regardless, but I'd avoid NYC, yes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279393&forum_id=2#23376665) |
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Date: June 11th, 2013 10:38 PM Author: blathering new version cuckoldry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279393&forum_id=2#23376667) |
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Date: June 11th, 2013 10:35 PM Author: slap-happy center deer antler http://www.superiorcondoms.com/ekmps/shops/superior/images/durex-feel-tingle-lube-twin-pack-248-p.jpg (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279393&forum_id=2#23376645) |
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Date: June 11th, 2013 10:37 PM Author: Mauve Vivacious International Law Enforcement Agency Shrine Should have been clear. Well aware of the prognosis, but I am just looking for advice on the next move I can make on my own (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279393&forum_id=2#23376658) |
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Date: June 11th, 2013 10:35 PM Author: floppy ruddy gas station the clerkship/litigation path only gets more competitive as you progress. it's nearly impossible to make partner in lit at any reputable biglaw firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279393&forum_id=2#23376651) |
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Date: June 11th, 2013 10:38 PM Author: mind-boggling talking potus ?
Don't think it's much easier in any other practice group, like corporate
some other practice groups are less leveraged like regulatory, but work is slow (and boring) in those practice areas, so partnership isn't much easier |
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Date: June 11th, 2013 10:39 PM Author: floppy ruddy gas station you will be competing with 20 other lit associates for the opportunity to get even shittier hours/work as a midlevel and yet even shittier hours/work as a senior associate before you most likely get shitcanned because you don't have your own book of business because you'd spent your entire career being a pleaser, just like you did in law school, and never learned how to generate business. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279393&forum_id=2#23376680) |
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Date: June 11th, 2013 10:40 PM Author: yellow adventurous telephone It's a miserable existence and then eventually it ends. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279393&forum_id=2#23376682) |
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Date: June 11th, 2013 10:50 PM Author: Pea-brained Stead Keepsake Machete i think you mean "life's a bitch, and then you die" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279393&forum_id=2#23376789) |
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Date: June 11th, 2013 10:43 PM Author: mind-boggling talking potus Depends on the kind of litigation. Certain types of lit, you do probably need that AUSA, DOJ or gov't trial experience to make partner -- for these practice areas (e.g., securities, white collar), making partner is nearly impossible and miserable if you just try to go straight through the firm
but other types of lit have better partnership odds. Patent, labor, and mass torts come to mind |
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Date: June 11th, 2013 10:45 PM Author: yellow adventurous telephone This is horseshit, with the exception of dudes with cs/ee. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279393&forum_id=2#23376718) |
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Date: June 11th, 2013 10:47 PM Author: mind-boggling talking potus EE > CS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279393&forum_id=2#23376748) |
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Date: June 11th, 2013 10:48 PM Author: yellow adventurous telephone Doesn't make much difference. There is a ton of software litigation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279393&forum_id=2#23376757) |
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Date: June 11th, 2013 10:52 PM Author: mind-boggling talking potus but EE"s know software; CS majors don't know hardware, electronics, semiconductors, telecomm, power converters, etc., etc.
also, with a few more fed cir decisions, there might be far fewer "software" patents |
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Date: June 11th, 2013 10:53 PM Author: rebellious passionate windowlicker karate you're assuming that what associates know regarding technology is actually relevant to anything as opposed to just being able to sell clients on your firm's tech expertise (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279393&forum_id=2#23376831) |
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Date: June 11th, 2013 10:54 PM Author: brass hilarious school cafeteria scourge upon the earth cr. tech specs and experts do the heavy lifting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279393&forum_id=2#23376844) |
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Date: June 11th, 2013 10:55 PM Author: mind-boggling talking potus yeah at firms that don't have good associates who actually know anything
at firms with good lawyers who know technology, it's hugely valuable. those ppl are always in demand |
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Date: June 11th, 2013 11:00 PM Author: mind-boggling talking potus another thing, you need associates with tech backgrounds to even understand what those tech spec or experts are even saying
ive sat in on convos with non-tech ppl and engineers/experts--they can't communicate with each other cuz the non-tech person has no fucking clue what things like "microprocessor" "IC" or "modulation" mean |
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Date: June 11th, 2013 10:55 PM Author: mind-boggling talking potus it's highly relevant. Every case I'm on--except the ones where the tech is really easy--the EE ppl who actually know the technology run the case and are absolutely necessary. Everyone else just sorta stands around and does busy work (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279393&forum_id=2#23376854) |
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Date: June 11th, 2013 11:02 PM Author: yellow adventurous telephone I have a CS degree and I've written tons of hardware patents. Surprisingly, I was able to figure it out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279393&forum_id=2#23376923) |
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Date: June 11th, 2013 11:04 PM Author: mind-boggling talking potus im sure u did "figure it out" and understood the material like someone with a solid EE background
it sure shows in all the patents that I read |
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Date: June 11th, 2013 11:06 PM Author: yellow adventurous telephone I'm sure if I had done a lot more Laplace transforms instead of induction proofs 10 years ago, my patents would be far better written. Just stop with this silly ee vs cs rivalry. Nobody cares. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279393&forum_id=2#23376973) |
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Date: June 11th, 2013 11:28 PM Author: rebellious passionate windowlicker karate hes a 3l going to some mediocre patent shop desperately hoping his ee degee from vassar will make him partner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279393&forum_id=2#23377253) |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 12:38 PM Author: mind-boggling talking potus or a V20 patent litigator whose worked on about 20 patent cases (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279393&forum_id=2#23380417) |
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Date: June 11th, 2013 10:45 PM Author: floppy ruddy gas station Yeah, but for patent (and probably labor) a clerkship isn't going to help, unless you get Fed Cir for patent. Also, for patent a tech background is better than LR + clerkship in terms of helping you make partner. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279393&forum_id=2#23376722) |
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Date: June 11th, 2013 10:46 PM Author: mind-boggling talking potus don't think LR helps with partnership, at least directly
it helps you get the job in the first place and a clerkship that may marginally boost ur odds |
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Date: June 11th, 2013 10:47 PM Author: mind-boggling talking potus Fed Cir helps a lot at the large IP boutiques -- Fish, Finnegan, and Knobbe. It's basically an in-network there
at large GP firms that do a lot of patent lit (e.g., Quinn), clerkships matter much less |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 12:04 PM Author: Translucent messiness Yeah, but it probably wouldn't hurt to have copped a N.D.Cal or D.Del or whatever clerkship and have written multiple claim construction opinions, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279393&forum_id=2#23380214) |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 12:24 PM Author: Dun meetinghouse i can tell you from experience that whatever shit you did during your clerkship will matter ZERO 5 years into practice.
when john desmarais handpicked the partners and associates to go over with him to his new firm, do you think he went through the undergrad majors and clerkship experience of the people he brought over? no. he picked the people whose work he was impressed with and who he liked.
this is why a bunch of tooly, nerdy law students who overthink their entire careers about the "right" major and the "right" clerkship and the "right" firm wonder 5-10 years why they are less successful than those who actually have some personality and are well-liked by their colleagues get the opportunities they've been gunning for. |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 12:45 PM Author: Translucent messiness I really wasn't talking about the appearance of the credential -- I think the experience of, for example, writing claim construction opinions would help someone to actually be a better patent litigator and thus make them more valuable down the road quite apart from their credentials. And, of course, the credential doesn't hurt during those first 5 or so years of your career -- which, I'm sure you won't deny, can in many cases be very important years for setting the trajectory of one's career. In any case, I don't think anything about my post suggests the things you point to aren't important or are less important than credentials. I literally just said it "probably wouldn't hurt" for someone going into patent-litigation to clerk in a patent-litigation heavy district if they had the opportunity.
Not sure what it was about my post that struck a nerve and set you off on a screed about "tooly, nerdy law students who overthink their entire careers," but clearly something did the trick. |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 12:51 PM Author: mind-boggling talking potus lol
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Date: June 12th, 2013 12:58 PM Author: Dun meetinghouse nothing struck a nerve. you just sound like a typical over-thinking law student who thinks working on a few patent cases as a clerk is somehow going to make any difference in your career potential or skill set (it won't past getting you your first firm job if you don't already have one). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279393&forum_id=2#23380579) |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 1:03 PM Author: yellow adventurous telephone I agree about clerkships. That's almost like saying law review or what classes you took in law school matter for making partner.
But I'm not sure this logic applies to undergrad majors in technical areas. I was told by a recruiter that it's massively easier to place a junior partner who doesn't have a substantial book of business if he/she has a cs or ee background. |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 1:04 PM Author: Translucent messiness Okay, I disagree a little bit on the usefulness of the skills you develop during a clerkship -- but whatever, we are really talking about different things. Even then, while I guess there are alternative explanations, at my firm a significantly higher % of partners than associates have federal clerkships under their belt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279393&forum_id=2#23380623) |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 1:06 PM Author: mind-boggling talking potus but it does impact career potential
working in a patent-heavy district or the Fed Cir means working on hundreds of patent cases every year
after that year, they're going to know a lot about patent law, court procedures, and will probably be better writers (tho this depends on the judge)
this is coming from someone who is a biglaw patent litigator who doesn't have these clerking credentials, but has worked with those who do. if ur litigating in ed tx or d del, don't you think it'd be helpful to have an associate who clerked in those districts?
also, it helps you get staffed on good cases; clients will like seeing associates with those credentials
also at certain ip boutiques, it is a major credential as mentioned above |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 1:07 PM Author: Translucent messiness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279393&forum_id=2#23380638) |
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Date: June 11th, 2013 10:36 PM Author: racy ratface garrison what you expect bro
go through oci. if u want corp do v10. otherwise clerk.
no offense but you seem like a faggot ITT |
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Date: June 11th, 2013 10:38 PM Author: Mauve Vivacious International Law Enforcement Agency Shrine Basically just wondering if it's best to avoid NYC (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279393&forum_id=2#23376675) |
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Date: June 11th, 2013 10:41 PM Author: racy ratface garrison For corp? Nah. Unless yore married or close to it
Based on the fact that you're in you're position and are making this thread on night of Game 3 you're probably a huge striver and would enjoy NYC. if you care about family and friends NYC is not cr but your career that you care so much about will take a hit and you don't seem like the type to be willing to accept that |
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Date: June 11th, 2013 10:48 PM Author: Mauve Vivacious International Law Enforcement Agency Shrine Knicks fan, bro. No desire to watch the NBA until next season. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279393&forum_id=2#23376755) |
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Date: June 11th, 2013 10:42 PM Author: slap-happy center deer antler In NYC you will get your ass fucked more, but the "best" corp firms are there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279393&forum_id=2#23376693) |
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Date: June 11th, 2013 10:37 PM Author: Charcoal Station Corn Cake I don't understand. Why would you make yourself WANT to do lit when you are interested in corporate? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279393&forum_id=2#23376661) |
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Date: June 11th, 2013 10:43 PM Author: slap-happy center deer antler cq (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279393&forum_id=2#23376703) |
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Date: June 11th, 2013 10:39 PM Author: Vibrant smoky cuck people who are hurt I assume lower t-14? Throw an app at the bschool for a dual degree (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279393&forum_id=2#23376677) |
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Date: June 11th, 2013 10:52 PM Author: Pea-brained Stead Keepsake Machete or, better yet, transfer to med school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279393&forum_id=2#23376812) |
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Date: June 11th, 2013 11:40 PM Author: Vigorous Laser Beams WLRK
If you start at the top, you will land further from the bottom. |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 12:06 PM Author: Translucent messiness This, although from the lower t14 it may be impossible. But even places like Cornell send 5 or so kids to Cravath every year. He should obviously just try to go to the best regarded firm he can and then start thinking about what's next. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279393&forum_id=2#23380232) |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 12:05 PM Author: comical dingle berry You have opened an infinite number of doors with your strong performance in law school. It's time to step through one and be whisked away on a magical journey. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279393&forum_id=2#23380226) |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 12:16 PM Author: slap-happy center deer antler (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279393&forum_id=2#23380306) |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 12:12 PM Author: trip chapel Suicide. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279393&forum_id=2#23380269) |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 12:37 PM Author: rough-skinned ticket booth gaming laptop I'm in the same position bro. What to do what to do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279393&forum_id=2#23380408) |
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Date: June 12th, 2013 12:43 PM Author: Boyish transparent tattoo well no one comes off as an angry bitter aspie in this thread at all (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2279393&forum_id=2#23380454) |