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What makes biglaw unpleasant?

The list will be endless, but one thing I've noticed is that...
Floppy library ape
  06/18/13
i'm not one to take things too seriously, but its almost imp...
coiffed principal's office azn
  06/18/13
ty
soggy azure national
  06/19/13
(Obsesissive nonbook service partner run ing the deal)
Topaz friendly grandma indian lodge
  06/19/13
more like ruining, amirite?
Stimulating Mahogany Forum New Version
  06/19/13
lulz tyft
buck-toothed den
  06/19/13
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coiffed principal's office azn
  06/18/13
Blacks.
multi-colored field
  06/18/13
mostly this
Maniacal box office
  06/21/13
Opposing counsel are douches. Deadlines are usually bullshit...
Bat-shit-crazy Chapel Corn Cake
  06/18/13
sadly, opposing counsel being douches is about the least of ...
buck-toothed den
  06/19/13
If this were true for me, I'd quit. Opposing counsel are fa...
sapphire multi-billionaire liquid oxygen
  06/19/13
(Quinn Emanuel associate)
Maniacal box office
  06/21/13
not enough tolerance for durags and sleeveless suits
Irradiated stage
  06/18/13
Palpable, never ending and wildly distracting homosexual ten...
ruddy elastic band cuck
  06/18/13
this doesn't sound right
Floppy library ape
  06/18/13
??? THA FUCK
sickened aromatic orchestra pit people who are hurt
  06/18/13
Do you tie your durag, or just let the cape hang out the bac...
Orchid brunch
  06/21/13
All the pussy
Poppy stirring location
  06/18/13
My aspie coworkers and the income differential
Topaz friendly grandma indian lodge
  06/19/13
real talk: 1. soulcrushing hours (in NYC typical hours ar...
claret concupiscible persian
  06/19/13
4. asshole bosses 5. surprisingly limited/complicated/com...
Provocative pisswyrm
  06/19/13
All of the above
Topaz friendly grandma indian lodge
  06/19/13
literal prison - your office in the sky, where you take all ...
claret concupiscible persian
  06/19/13
concur with all of the above. i would like to add 8. stu...
Floppy library ape
  06/19/13
LOL @ #9
ultramarine shrine indirect expression
  06/20/13
Subject verb disagreement. Please don't poast until you've ...
Orange cruel-hearted heaven
  06/21/13
Describe #5 on limited exit options. You must be lit?
Rose striped hyena whorehouse
  06/19/13
Not all corp 1) survive long enough, 2) get to another optio...
Provocative pisswyrm
  06/19/13
What's really terrible, is the way you're conditioned to thi...
slimy fragrant school cafeteria philosopher-king
  06/19/13
Yes--looking back that mentality was incredibly stressful. ...
Onyx arousing parlour
  06/19/13
The debt is so massive it takes an above average stint to br...
vivacious weed whacker personal credit line
  06/19/13
Boalt to $400k!
soggy azure national
  06/19/13
this is true though. it's why sooooo many people gun for...
Onyx arousing parlour
  06/19/13
just do PAYE, bro.
ultramarine shrine indirect expression
  06/20/13
billing was by far the worst aspect of biglaw since you coul...
puce swashbuckling office
  06/19/13
you are literally surrounded by lawyers
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  06/20/13
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Maniacal box office
  06/21/13
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Chestnut Public Bath
  12/19/13
I think the thing that *truly* makes it unpleasant is the co...
Seedy stage
  06/19/13
why does biglaw require people to pass the bar, when all the...
anal water buffalo
  06/19/13
if you think all you are doing is secretarial work, you aren...
Federal brass telephone stead
  06/19/13
not a lawyer so indulge me
anal water buffalo
  06/19/13
No need. Its just not secretarial work except for first year...
Federal brass telephone stead
  06/19/13
The central flaw is that firms are constructed and managed w...
Titillating nubile kitchen kitty cat
  06/19/13
this seems like a really sound critique of the system. why ...
Avocado awkward hell
  06/19/13
It's the same thing that makes a 22 year old go to law schoo...
Titillating nubile kitchen kitty cat
  06/19/13
If you were in charge of a major firm and wanted to change t...
confused gas station half-breed
  06/19/13
You're proposing a false hypo, because e.g. being Managing P...
Titillating nubile kitchen kitty cat
  06/19/13
I think change will come from smaller players or even non-la...
Floppy library ape
  06/20/13
You are a lot smarter than I is! Your talent is being wasted...
Bateful theatre
  06/21/13
Bravo.
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  06/19/13
you mean besides all the aspie, striver, insecure, peopleple...
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  06/19/13
1) You do a great job on 10 assignments and an "ok"...
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  06/19/13
I don't love the hours overall, obviously, but the unpredict...
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  06/19/13
yeah, this, plus demanding deadlines and high standards and ...
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  12/20/13
why not just bypass all the BS and start your own firm? i...
ultramarine shrine indirect expression
  06/20/13
Most biglaw people suck at sales. They're great grinders an...
odious sadistic corner
  06/21/13
Bullshit a 2009 grad is making $125k on his own doing DUI/Cr...
Orchid brunch
  06/21/13
The non-stop sex. It makes me feel like absolute shit.
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  06/21/13
I guess getting butt-fucked on a daily basis by a partner te...
Bateful theatre
  06/21/13
Go on. . . *adjusts his crotch*
Orchid brunch
  06/21/13
I HATE it when a partner forces me to stay late on a Saturda...
Grizzly Medicated Idea He Suggested
  06/21/13
1. The work is overwhelmingly meaningless bullshit where non...
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  06/21/13
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  06/21/13
Unpredictability and urgency of everything
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Date: June 18th, 2013 8:47 AM
Author: Floppy library ape

The list will be endless, but one thing I've noticed is that in biglaw almost everyone hates what they do and yet these same people almost always take their job way too seriously.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23421215)



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Date: June 18th, 2013 8:52 AM
Author: coiffed principal's office azn

i'm not one to take things too seriously, but its almost impossible not to take biglaw shit seriously because the things that people get upset over are the tiniest, silliest things. ZOMG YOU FUCKING COPIED THE ASSISTANT GENERAL COUNSEL AFTER THE PARALEGAL!!!!! OH FUCK THE CLIENT IS GOING TO FIRE US!!!! ARE YOU TRYING TO TELL ME THAT YOU ATTACHED THE VERSION WITH THE 1.5 MARGINS INSTEAD OF THE 1.4 MARGINS THAT WE TWEAKED!!!! WHAT THE FUCK!!!!

JESUS CHRIST, DIDN'T I TELL YOU TO CHANGE IT FROM APPENDIX I TO APPENDIX A????? GODDAMN IT, WHAT KIND OF KEYSTONE KOPS OPERATION ARE WE RUNNING (it is 4 a.m. on sunday morning)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23421229)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 12:31 AM
Author: soggy azure national

ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23427570)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 12:33 AM
Author: Topaz friendly grandma indian lodge

(Obsesissive nonbook service partner run ing the deal)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23427602)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 1:36 PM
Author: Stimulating Mahogany Forum New Version

more like ruining, amirite?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23429990)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 12:35 PM
Author: buck-toothed den

lulz tyft

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23429662)



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Date: June 18th, 2013 1:45 PM
Author: coiffed principal's office azn



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23422381)



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Date: June 18th, 2013 1:46 PM
Author: multi-colored field

Blacks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23422386)



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Date: June 21st, 2013 12:38 AM
Author: Maniacal box office

mostly this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23441810)



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Date: June 18th, 2013 2:10 PM
Author: Bat-shit-crazy Chapel Corn Cake

Opposing counsel are douches. Deadlines are usually bullshit. When deadlines aren't bullshit it's because your boss is a procrastinator that forgot about a huge assignment until the day before its due to the court. Attorneys don't provide real value. You're only value comes because some other attorney is bigdealing somestupid shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23422494)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 12:37 PM
Author: buck-toothed den

sadly, opposing counsel being douches is about the least of what makes biglaw suck. opposing counsel are often 1000x nicer to you than the people you actually work for.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23429673)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 12:53 PM
Author: sapphire multi-billionaire liquid oxygen

If this were true for me, I'd quit. Opposing counsel are far and away the biggest douches. Either fucking me on something or delaying on something or accusing me of something and writing motions seeking sanctions. It's all a bunch of bullshit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23429781)



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Date: June 21st, 2013 12:39 AM
Author: Maniacal box office

(Quinn Emanuel associate)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23441813)



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Date: June 18th, 2013 2:16 PM
Author: Irradiated stage

not enough tolerance for durags and sleeveless suits

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23422509)



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Date: June 18th, 2013 2:19 PM
Author: ruddy elastic band cuck

Palpable, never ending and wildly distracting homosexual tension amongst male co workers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23422517)



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Date: June 18th, 2013 11:36 PM
Author: Floppy library ape

this doesn't sound right

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23426609)



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Date: June 18th, 2013 11:38 PM
Author: sickened aromatic orchestra pit people who are hurt

???

THA FUCK

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23426633)



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Date: June 21st, 2013 12:48 AM
Author: Orchid brunch

Do you tie your durag, or just let the cape hang out the back?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23441875)



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Date: June 18th, 2013 11:39 PM
Author: Poppy stirring location

All the pussy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23426645)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 12:25 AM
Author: Topaz friendly grandma indian lodge

My aspie coworkers and the income differential

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23427493)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 12:28 AM
Author: claret concupiscible persian

real talk:

1. soulcrushing hours (in NYC typical hours are 10-10 M-F with 4-8 hours on the weekend)

2. annoying clients (includes other lawyers in firm) who make everything a firedrill that HAS TO BE DONE ASAP

3. assholes coworkers (every firm has some)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23427539)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 12:29 AM
Author: Provocative pisswyrm

4. asshole bosses

5. surprisingly limited/complicated/competitive exit options

6. being forced to spend some of the best years of your life in a metaphorical prison

7. perhaps the hardest to appreciate: golden handcuffs. You never want to see that paycheck get smaller.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23427552)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 12:30 AM
Author: Topaz friendly grandma indian lodge

All of the above

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23427558)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 12:34 AM
Author: claret concupiscible persian

literal prison - your office in the sky, where you take all your meals

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23427613)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 8:26 AM
Author: Floppy library ape

concur with all of the above. i would like to add

8. stupid, tedious and inconsequential work

9. everyone knows the work is mostly BS and yet take it extremely seriously (you will be forced to skip your grandmother's 100th birthday to check for typos)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23428882)



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Date: June 20th, 2013 9:31 AM
Author: ultramarine shrine indirect expression

LOL @ #9

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23435554)



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Date: June 21st, 2013 12:44 AM
Author: Orange cruel-hearted heaven

Subject verb disagreement. Please don't poast until you've actually proofread your work. Thank you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23441845)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 12:18 PM
Author: Rose striped hyena whorehouse

Describe #5 on limited exit options. You must be lit?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23429555)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 1:14 PM
Author: Provocative pisswyrm

Not all corp 1) survive long enough, 2) get to another option that IS legit good, 3) not everyone is in a non-corp, non-lit option that has exit options

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23429878)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 8:32 AM
Author: slimy fragrant school cafeteria philosopher-king

What's really terrible, is the way you're conditioned to think, especially ITE. There's no happy medium, either you're being crushed with work or you're worried that you're not billing enough.

Which reminds me, fuck billing, that shit is terrible.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23428890)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 9:09 AM
Author: Onyx arousing parlour

Yes--looking back that mentality was incredibly stressful.

Now, when things are slow I go home. Biglaw would be a lot easier to deal with without the billable hour.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23428929)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 8:34 AM
Author: vivacious weed whacker personal credit line

The debt is so massive it takes an above average stint to break even.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23428891)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 9:19 AM
Author: soggy azure national

Boalt to $400k!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23428950)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 9:20 AM
Author: Onyx arousing parlour

this is true though.

it's why sooooo many people gun for biglaw

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23428954)



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Date: June 20th, 2013 9:32 AM
Author: ultramarine shrine indirect expression

just do PAYE, bro.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23435555)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 12:32 PM
Author: puce swashbuckling office

billing was by far the worst aspect of biglaw since you could never relax. it sucks being slammed but if you were slow, you were stressed out about making your hours.

i lucked out and worked with pretty good people for the most part, but coworkers/bosses is probably a big complaint for a lot of other associates. the more senior you get, the decent people all leave so the people get worse and worse.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23429645)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 12:33 PM
Author: Chestnut Public Bath

you are literally surrounded by lawyers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23429651)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 1:38 PM
Author: Stimulating Mahogany Forum New Version



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23429998)



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Date: June 20th, 2013 9:33 AM
Author: ultramarine shrine indirect expression



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23435558)



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Date: June 21st, 2013 12:41 AM
Author: Maniacal box office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23441826)



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Date: December 19th, 2013 2:58 PM
Author: Chestnut Public Bath



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#24674132)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 12:36 PM
Author: Seedy stage

I think the thing that *truly* makes it unpleasant is the cognizance of ZERO upward mobility. As employees we can take and work through a lot of shit if we can believe there will be some reward for our efforts. But in BIGLAW you quickly learn that you'll be forced to take and work through a lot of shit so you can begin your *actual* career once pushed out the door.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23429668)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 12:57 PM
Author: anal water buffalo

why does biglaw require people to pass the bar, when all they are essentially doing is secretarial work 10 hours a day

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23429804)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 12:58 PM
Author: Federal brass telephone stead

if you think all you are doing is secretarial work, you aren't really understanding what you are doing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23429808)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 1:01 PM
Author: anal water buffalo

not a lawyer so indulge me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23429822)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 1:05 PM
Author: Federal brass telephone stead

No need. Its just not secretarial work except for first years who have no idea what is going on.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23429837)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 1:17 PM
Author: Titillating nubile kitchen kitty cat

The central flaw is that firms are constructed and managed with huge incentives to compete internally, and with few incentives toward a broader collaborative approach. Virtually all players have both bad and incomplete information about many key aspects of this competition. There is no effort to develop service offerings that can be clearly differentiated as a better value for customers than those offered by competitors (which could potentially be a collaborative effort). Instead the dynamic of generating customers' interest in the firm's services is viewed primarily through a lens of "prestige" and "reputation," or else the specific contacts and networking of partners who, for whatever reason, are believed to have the ability to bring in new business. This leaves firms that are engaging in self-evaluation to, first, analyze any potential changes as potential risks for the firm's prestige/reputation. Firm management makes decisions according to a plan to increase prestige and reputation, which effectively rules out a lot of potentially productive risk-taking. Second, firms primarily evaluate potential changes as risks to the firm's ability to retain individuals who generate new business, who will generally prefer lower costs to bolder strategic/management choices that could result in substantially greater upside to the overall enterprise value if successful. We saw this "retention of rainmakers" motivation take precedence over all others in the firm management decisions during and after ITE.

One partner's opportunity to create leverage by hiring more associates is another's certain cost for a highly speculative benefit (i.e. that resources invested in hiring and training new attorneys will result in increased billings that far outpace those costs to a degree that the broader partnership receives non-trivial profits). This essentially puts each partner in a position to look for flaws and reasons to fire associates that don't directly contribute to their profit-generating work. And even when a firm finds a highly productive associate, the firm then has to manage the risk of losing that associate both as a business asset and as a potential threat to take business with him to whatever place he goes.

Rate setting is an absurd process that leaves virtually all firm members dissatisfied to some degree, since certain practice areas can command much higher rates than others and the incentives of associates to be valuable to the firm and attractive to firm customers are diametrically opposed.

Generation of new business is done in an essentially random manner, with zero real effort expended to analyze particular customers and tailor service offerings to fit their needs. For this reason people who reliably generate new business are kings, even when they are horrible lawyers, which makes the entire purpose of the firm seem insignificant and largely unappreciated/resented by customers as a transaction cost and an annoyance that's tangential to the actual business purpose the customers want to achieve.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23429897)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 1:25 PM
Author: Avocado awkward hell

this seems like a really sound critique of the system.

why are we so risk averse

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23429927)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 1:51 PM
Author: Titillating nubile kitchen kitty cat

It's the same thing that makes a 22 year old go to law school because he knows it will make his parents happy and he will be able to tell girls at bars "I may be uptight and look like a troll, but I'm going to be a lawyer and make lots of money." That self-selection in the intake to the profession is the key factor. But the system sustains itself with these inefficiencies because they also have benefits: lawyers' risk intolerance allows them to overprice a lot of legal services in a manner that resembles actual cartel activity. It's absurd that firms could charge customers the rates they charged for monkey work like doc reviews for as long as they did.

It speaks to the larger idea of the client in the lawyers mind, which is "I'm impressive and have a prestigious list of accomplishments, and this client likes that and doesn't care about the details of what I do. He only cares that I give him comfort that he will not suffer bad consequences that might otherwise result if he had a less impressive lawyer. Also I am his insurance policy if something bad happens." It's not "this person can put a relatively specific and accurate number on the value I add to his efforts, and he knows it will be difficult to find that much value somewhere else." In that sense it reflects that lawyers still have a very pre-digital, data-free perspective on the world and the place their work occupies in it, in no small part because they are afraid that asking the questions that a more data-intensive approach raises would likely reveal a number of inefficiencies and create motivation for broader, more disruptive change. So far, from firm managers' perspectives, they have a pretty good thing going.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23430039)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 2:22 PM
Author: confused gas station half-breed

If you were in charge of a major firm and wanted to change things, what would you do? What are your overall recommendations?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23430239)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 3:22 PM
Author: Titillating nubile kitchen kitty cat

You're proposing a false hypo, because e.g. being Managing Partner usually means being a figurehead who takes orders from the partners with the biggest books who don't want to do a bunch of boring admin work. The hypo would have to be something like I have a gigantic book and I have buy-in from all the other big books across all practice groups to attempt a transformative change.

The short, glib answer is that I'd gather data and try to make choices that the data supported. But I can imagine all sorts of changes, and obviously the scope and aims of changes would effect the type of data you'd gather. I'd definitely want to have a ton of rate flexibility and openness to alternative billing arrangements. Just in terms of biz dev, I'd want materials and messaging going out to clients to reflect data about the specific taxonomies of risk that specific clients face and highlight any legal spend that's particularly disproportionate (both over and under). So blasting out whitepapers that are basically identical to every other firm's white paper on some new development would stop and be replaced by client-specific materials that provide clear context of how that client could be affected and specific actions they should consider. Maybe develop that data into some sort of regular reporting for the client that can provide analytics of performance on particular matters, benchmarking against competition. A lot of this ought to come out of conversations with clients about their business, what they would want to see/could use to justify e.g. budget increase asks for the new fiscal year in their org. I.e. a ton of non-billable client sucking up that is used to fuel data driven proofs of service value.

In terms of recruiting and hiring I'd want to be completely different from other firms. I'd probably want to go away from at-will and move to some sort of 3-5 year "rookie contract" with a much lower initial base and incentives for young associates to hit certain milestones for more base and bonus, so that by the last 12-18 months of the contract they were paid at or above biglaw market, but they'd proven their worth along the way. I'd also pair that with a really intensive training program and I'd use the training program as a component of marketing materials (i.e. "our juniors aren't useless assholes like every other firm's are," possibly also some data about how shitty and useless law school is). Some of this might also involve partnering with law schools via clinics or something to build a unique data set.

I'd also consider making that "rookie contract" program end in a formal "partner track/not partner track" designation that would be forecasted in annual evaluations and measured according to pre-disclosed benchmarks and a scoring/ranking system that's transparent to each individual re: where they rank through out. For "not partner track" associates, there would be some additional period of effort to route them toward training, deals, networking opportunities, non-billable work, and anything else we could come up with to make them more attractive candidates for in-house jobs. If the "non-partner track" associate was instead interested in pursuing a partner position at another firm, they would need to have signed a super-onerous non-compete/non-solicitation component to their employment agreement that the firm would have to spend resources to enforce and give it teeth. Maybe also have a (short, like 3-6 month) "non-practicing track" where you could work with associates to transition out of law based on some other interest or pre-law school background. Also I'd spend way less on summer associate bullshit. I might not even have a summer program at all, and would instead just do 3L recruiting or something like that starting out.

All of this is just me talking out of my ass, though. The whole point would be to look at the points of failure and inefficiency in the law firm business model and then gather as much data as possible to inform the fixes. Maybe the data says to pay incoming associates 200k, or to not hire anyone for five years and just shuffle and re-train existing resources. The whole idea would be to move toward actually having a strategy that's more intelligent than "clients pay us for our brains, so let's send them a bill and hope they don't read it."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23430677)



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Date: June 20th, 2013 9:16 AM
Author: Floppy library ape

I think change will come from smaller players or even non-law firm players. There is no way any biglaw firm will be willing to risk their skin by changing things. Innovation is actively discouraged at every big firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23435520)



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Date: June 21st, 2013 12:36 AM
Author: Bateful theatre

You are a lot smarter than I is! Your talent is being wasted in law. FYI!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23441800)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 1:39 PM
Author: coiffed principal's office azn

Bravo.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23430000)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 1:27 PM
Author: charismatic disgusting fortuitous meteor genital piercing

you mean besides all the aspie, striver, insecure, peoplepleasers who have had all the humanity sucked out of them?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23429937)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 1:33 PM
Author: confused gas station half-breed

1) You do a great job on 10 assignments and an "ok" or average job on 1 and you are thought of as "ok" or average, not great.

2) Total meritocracy but a ton of it is based on luck. You got put in the right practice area, you got lucky to be assigned to certain matters over others, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23429978)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 3:16 PM
Author: Maize private investor tattoo

I don't love the hours overall, obviously, but the unpredictability is also a pain in the ass. I'd be fine with working hard monday through Friday if I knew I'd get almost every weekend off and could (1) take vacations when I wanted and (2) not have to work on them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23430616)



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Date: December 20th, 2013 11:31 AM
Author: Chrome laughsome senate selfie

yeah, this, plus demanding deadlines and high standards and dealing with annoyingly complicated stuff.

i don't know about all this stuff about not hollistically serving the clients needs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#24679975)



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Date: June 20th, 2013 9:43 AM
Author: ultramarine shrine indirect expression

why not just bypass all the BS and start your own firm?

i know a guy who started his own firm after doing a clerkship in 2009 (got ITEpwn3d after graduating from a tier 2) and he's now making over $125k (his actual income, not just gross revenues) doing mostly criminal/dui/divorce work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23435577)



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Date: June 21st, 2013 12:41 AM
Author: odious sadistic corner

Most biglaw people suck at sales. They're great grinders and reasonably bright but have no people skills.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23441824)



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Date: June 21st, 2013 12:55 AM
Author: Orchid brunch

Bullshit a 2009 grad is making $125k on his own doing DUI/Crim/Divorce

1. He's probably working out of someone else's office, thus keeping his overhead low.

2. SOmeone is FEEDING HIM BUSINESS otherwise he'd be in a knife fight with every other EXPERIENCED CrimDef attorney in the city/surrounding county.

3. He's not making $125k doing shitlaw. If he did TAKE HOME that much money with less than 5 yrs experience it's because he sucked enough cock and was able to join in on a MedMal lawsuit that settled.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23441937)



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Date: June 21st, 2013 12:41 AM
Author: Grizzly Medicated Idea He Suggested

The non-stop sex. It makes me feel like absolute shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23441823)



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Date: June 21st, 2013 12:47 AM
Author: Bateful theatre

I guess getting butt-fucked on a daily basis by a partner technically qualifies as sex.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23441865)



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Date: June 21st, 2013 12:56 AM
Author: Orchid brunch

Go on. . .

*adjusts his crotch*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23441942)



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Date: June 21st, 2013 1:03 AM
Author: Grizzly Medicated Idea He Suggested

I HATE it when a partner forces me to stay late on a Saturday night and sleep with prostitutes. I mean, he had all week to satisfy me. Why is he waiting until THE LAST FUCKING MINUTE to give me a nut buster. I have my own life, I am working on a freelance doc review project right now. When all I do is fuck whores those things fall by the wayside. It's really the loss of freedom coupled with the wild, uninhibited, and occasionally poignant coitus that gets me down. It's hard to describe...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23442002)



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Date: June 21st, 2013 12:44 AM
Author: odious sadistic corner

1. The work is overwhelmingly meaningless bullshit where nonsense attention to detail (omg, a misplaced comma!) becomes a scandal where you begin to fear you're going to be legit fired.

2. 1. is made worse by the fact that you work 12+ hour days with constant fire drills which make such mistakes more common.

3. ... And, all of that wouldn't be a big deal if getting fired meant you could find another job but no, even under the best of circumstances, you're worried about exit options.

So you end up with a shitty, boring job where you hate your life (yet it is your life) but where you're still terrified all the time and worry about your future.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23441841)



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Date: June 21st, 2013 12:47 AM
Author: Razzle fuchsia really tough guy meetinghouse

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#23441870)



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Date: December 20th, 2013 11:03 AM
Author: sticky windowlicker voyeur
Subject: Unpredictability and urgency of everything

If you could just bill 9 hours consistently everyday it's be the best job I'm the world.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#24679781)



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Date: December 20th, 2013 11:10 AM
Author: Trip Peach Rigor Crackhouse

I think it's mainly a combination of the substance of the work and the quantity of the work. It's really just blood for cash.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2285259&forum_id=2#24679826)