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WaPo: Obama spent billions to fix failing schools, and it didn't work
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Date: January 20th, 2017 9:07 PM Author: chocolate faggot firefighter office https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/obama-administration-spent-billions-to-fix-failing-schools-and-it-didnt-work/2017/01/19/6d24ac1a-de6d-11e6-ad42-f3375f271c9c_story.html?postshare=9701484926409916&tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.b413b81443bb
Obama administration spent billions to fix failing schools, and it didn’t work
One of the Obama administration’s signature efforts in education, which pumped billions of federal dollars into overhauling the nation’s worst schools, failed to produce meaningful results, according to a federal analysis.
Test scores, graduation rates and college enrollment were no different in schools that received money through the School Improvement Grants program — the largest federal investment ever targeted to failing schools — than in schools that did not.
The Education Department published the findings on the website of its research division on Wednesday, hours before President Obama’s political appointees walked out the door.
“We’re talking about millions of kids who are assigned to these failing schools, and we just spent several billion dollars promising them things were going to get better,” said Andy Smarick, a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute who has long been skeptical that the Obama administration’s strategy would work. “Think of what all that money could have been spent on instead.”
The School Improvement Grants program has been around since the administration of President George W. Bush, but it received an enormous boost under Obama. The administration funneled $7 billion into the program between 2010 and 2015 — far exceeding the $4 billion it spent on Race to the Top grants.
[Feds spent $7 billion to fix failing schools — with mixed results]
The money went to states to distribute to their poorest-performing schools — those with exceedingly low graduation rates, or poor math and reading test scores, or both. Individual schools could receive up to $2 million per year for three years, on the condition that they adopt one of the Obama administration’s four preferred measures: replacing the principal and at least half the teachers, converting into a charter school, closing altogether, or undergoing a “transformation,” including hiring a new principal and adopting new instructional strategies, new teacher evaluations and a longer school day.
The Education Department did not track how the money was spent, other than to note which of the four strategies schools chose.
Arne Duncan, Obama’s education secretary from 2009 to 2016, said his aim was to turn around 1,000 schools every year for five years. “We could really move the needle, lift the bottom and change the lives of tens of millions of underserved children,” Duncan said in 2009.
Duncan often said that the administration’s school-improvement efforts did not get the attention they deserved, overshadowed by more-controversial efforts to encourage states to adopt new standards and teacher evaluations tied to tests.
The school turnaround effort, he told The Washington Post days before he left office in 2016, was arguably the administration’s “biggest bet.”
[Days from leaving office, Duncan talks successes, failures]
He and other administration officials sought to highlight individual schools that made dramatic improvements after receiving the money. But the new study released this week shows that, as a large-scale effort, School Improvement Grants failed.
Just a tiny fraction of schools chose the most dramatic measures, according to the new study. Three percent became charter schools, and 1 percent closed. Half the schools chose transformation, arguably the least intrusive option available to them.
“This outcome reminds us that turning around our lowest-performing schools is some of the hardest, most complex work in education and that we don’t yet have solid evidence on effective, replicable, comprehensive school improvement strategies,” said Dorie Nolt, an Education Department spokeswoman.
Nolt emphasized that the study focused on schools that received School Improvement Grants money between 2010 and 2013. The administration awarded a total of $3.5 billion to those schools, most of it stimulus funds from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009. “Since then,” she said, “the program has evolved toward greater flexibility in the selection of school improvement models and the use of evidence-based interventions.”
Some education experts say that the administration closed its eyes to mounting evidence about the program’s problems in its own interim evaluations, which were released in the years after the first big infusion of cash.
The latest interim evaluation, released in 2015, found mixed results, with students at one-third of the schools showing no improvement or even sliding backward.
Even then, Duncan remained optimistic about the School Improvement Grants, which he said had — along with the Race to the Top grants — unleashed innovation across the country. Speaking about the two grant programs at a fast-improving high school in Boston in 2015, he argued that it would take time to see and measure their full effects.
Local Headlines newsletter Daily headlines about the Washington region. “Here in Massachusetts, it actually took several years to see real improvement in some areas,” Duncan said at the time. “Scores were flat or even down in some subjects and grades for a while. Many people questioned whether the state should hit the brakes on change. But you had the courage to stick with it, and the results are clear to all.”
[Betsy DeVos lauded as a bold reformer, also called unfit for the job]
Smarick said he had never seen such a huge investment produce zero results.
That could end up being a gift, he said, from Duncan to Betsy DeVos, President-elect Donald Trump’s nominee for education secretary and a prominent proponent of taxpayer-supported vouchers for private and religious schools.
Results from the School Improvement Grants have shored up previous research showing that pouring money into dysfunctional schools and systems does not work, Smarick said: “I can imagine Betsy DeVos and Donald Trump saying this is exactly why kids need school choice.” |
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Date: January 20th, 2017 9:20 PM Author: Green location old irish cottage I disagree. Discipline and no liberal bullshit would do wonders. Catholic schools do a good job with blacks. As much as I hate to say it, a Muslim school that was well run (good science and math, focus on classics) would also work wonders. Public schools work best where it is needed least-- wealthy suburbs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32421131) |
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Date: January 20th, 2017 9:24 PM Author: Wonderful bbw doesn't "the classics" in a muslim context mean memorizing the KORAN? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32421149) |
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Date: January 20th, 2017 9:29 PM Author: Green location old irish cottage Yes. But I was thinking more of a Muslim school that taught more along the lines of Western classics -- if that is possible (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32421190) |
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Date: January 20th, 2017 9:24 PM Author: Concupiscible market legal warrant What about toxic black culture? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32421150) |
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Date: January 20th, 2017 9:30 PM Author: Green location old irish cottage You almost have to have the schools be boarding schools for the worst "families" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32421200) |
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Date: January 20th, 2017 9:26 PM Author: diverse carmine hell You are both right. Blacks will never close the gap with whites but we could do better at turning them into prodctive citizens than we are doing now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32421167) |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 2:51 PM Author: Cream institution depressive "white people need to start fucking breeding"
Why? So you can be their Mexican nanny? |
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Date: January 20th, 2017 9:27 PM Author: bull headed internet-worthy shrine round eye I am a teacher at a small Catholic school, where I have taught for over 15 years. During that time I have seen a massive demographic shift in the student population.
https://www.amren.com/features/2016/12/blacks-changed-school/
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Date: January 20th, 2017 9:33 PM Author: Green location old irish cottage The problem is pandering to popular black culture. That does not work. Don't give in to the temptation to teach black authors or teach math through rap. Fuck that. Just teach Shakespeare and Melville and Calculus. Make it demanding and hard and use discipline. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32421228) |
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Date: January 20th, 2017 10:13 PM Author: federal irradiated stag film Putin approach is best. Russian schools were doing bad so what the Czar did is said if by 8th grade you are dumb and doing badly you are not going to a normal high school but will instead go to a technical school where they will teach you to cook food or fix toilets. It got the dumbs the hell away from the smart kids. Russkie PISA scores improved vastly. He also made it impossible for the bottom 2/3 to get into 4 year universities because a 4 year degree is a waste on them. He cut liberal arts programs in half and shuttered 75% of the law schools. It has worked miracles. No more problems and now STEM programs are better funded and not full of dumbs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32421557) |
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Date: January 20th, 2017 10:20 PM Author: federal irradiated stag film It Soviet times high school ended at 10th grade so it's not wholly fair comparison. They had way fewer days off and the elite schools ran 6 days a week though the normal schools (like 95% of schools) were 5 days week. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32421611) |
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Date: January 20th, 2017 11:27 PM Author: dull giraffe theatre Euro countries do this too - give students g loaded tests at the end of grade school and then stream them into elite, comprehensive and vocational schools. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32422099) |
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Date: January 20th, 2017 9:30 PM Author: Big Fluffy Sex Offender Indian Lodge It's because the worst schools are filled with non white, non Asian dumbs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32421211) |
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Date: January 20th, 2017 10:07 PM Author: Sienna garrison mediation We should start busing whites and Asian to those schools then! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32421510) |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 10:09 AM Author: Green location old irish cottage You were labeled a racist if you opposed it. Same thing with the term "white flight"-- whites are attacked as racist for leaving failing cities. I am older than most of xo. I was bussed into an inner city school. It was pretty awful. My parents pulled me out and put me into a Catholic school, the Catholic schools were hard to get into back then because smart white parents were pulling their kids out of forced integration publics and putting them into Catholic schools. |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 10:15 AM Author: navy station double fault Voters don't "allow" it in the US It's forced upon school districts by federal courts
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Date: January 21st, 2017 10:19 AM Author: Green location old irish cottage There was a book written about busing in South Boston called Common Ground. There were riots in Southie against busing. Guess who were portrayed as the backwards neanderthals holding back the beautiful progress of diversity? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32423883) |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 11:09 AM Author: milky lodge goal in life Wrong. In Hungary white children are bused to gypsy schools. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32424129) |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 2:28 PM Author: honey-headed trip stock car french chef jfc, seriously? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32425497) |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 3:11 PM Author: dull giraffe theatre Link? I googled it and the only reference I can find is to complaints that Hungary is running a segregated school system where gypsy kids are isolated from normal schools.
The EU started zn investigation into this last year. |
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Date: January 20th, 2017 9:36 PM Author: White odious corn cake quadroon i think we should fix schools that are physically falling apart, reform teacher promotions and firing procedures, provide reasonably adequate funding and let the chips fall where they may
ideally we need to abolish both the dept of housing and education but that may be a fantasy |
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Date: January 20th, 2017 10:04 PM Author: hyperventilating orchestra pit Duh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32421493) |
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Date: January 20th, 2017 10:08 PM Author: azure electric parlour cumskin But he was a community organizer before POTUS. Surely someone else is to blame here, no? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32421518) |
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Date: January 20th, 2017 10:14 PM Author: offensive brilliant university death wish a school system's success is miles and miles downstream from the success of the culture that feeds into the school. you can pour billions into one school system and starve another school system and the two systems will still just reflect the local culture. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32421562) |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 10:28 AM Author: indecent private investor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32423934) |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 10:14 AM Author: Soul-stirring pink ceo striped hyena Interestingly, even when you adjust from economics and race (albeit through rough tracking metrics) the US underperforms similar nations. Mass. is probably the best in the country for education in part because they use metrics that require educators to deliver. Something libs and teacher's unions refuse to permit in most jurisdictions.
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Date: January 21st, 2017 11:37 AM Author: Titillating shimmering gunner Id be interested to see the link to that. My understanding is that white americans do about as good as european countries (like below finland but above germany). Could be wrong though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32424279) |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 6:24 PM Author: Cracking Step-uncle's House Elastic Band whitey does really well in america there are race/ethnicity tabs here take a look https://nces.ed.gov/surveys/pisa/pisa2015/index.asp
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_for_International_Student_Assessment
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Date: January 21st, 2017 10:16 AM Author: Talking Talented Public Bath Cuckold Yet he's against vouchers... odd case (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32423869) |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 10:23 AM Author: opaque principal's office newt Gee, what a surprise.
More MILLIONS completely wasted on blacks because society refuses to make their culture accountable. |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 10:24 AM Author: navy station double fault and refuses to recognize that different racial groups have different average levels of intelligence and different propensities for violence and promiscuity (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32423914) |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 10:30 AM Author: opaque principal's office newt exactly.
that said, whites need to stop bending over backwards giving excuses to blacks for the problems in their shit culture and start holding them accountable.
blacks have zero reason to address their problems because there are no repercussions. inner-city schools are a fucking disaster because the students have all the power and they know it. everyone is so fucking scared of being called a racist if they dare try to enforce any consequences against a black or hispanic.
excellent moniker/poast synergy, btw. |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 11:52 AM Author: arousing canary forum At least he tried. The right has no solution other than to complain that libs' plan didn't work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32424365) |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 11:54 AM Author: brindle vigorous library Are you an idiot? If you spend billions of dollars on something that completely does not work, are you like "well at least we spent that money on something!" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32424373) |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 11:55 AM Author: federal irradiated stag film No, the Right has no illusions about dumbs and wouldn't waste money on them. That's a plan in and of itself. Wasting money is not a plan. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32424378) |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 11:55 AM Author: opaque principal's office newt here's the plan: stop wasting millions upon millions of dollars and start holding blacks accountable for the problems in their culture.
oh wait. that solution would be decried as "racist." |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 12:20 PM Author: Razzmatazz seedy son of senegal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32424513) |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 11:57 AM Author: Titillating shimmering gunner This is retarded because there is opportunity cost associated with the money spent. Sometimes no answer is better then a shit one.
Also the repubs do have alternatives, everything from charter schools to increasing teacher accountability to reversing the bullshit restrictions on discipline. |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 12:24 PM Author: brindle vigorous library I fucking love what an Econ 001 idiot you are all the time.
Why are you bringing in opportunity cost just because you read it in your low level Econ bible?
They spent a billion dollars lol. You don't need to talk about opportunity cost here. There is a tangible cost. I just imagine you walking up to Chik Filet saying "Hello sir, what is the opportunity cost of the nuggets? Thank you." |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 12:49 PM Author: heady anal scourge upon the earth crackhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32424718) |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 2:00 PM Author: exhilarant stain Eh you seem dumb. There is definitely an opportunity cost because we could have spent that money on other methods to fix education system. Now 8 years later we spent billions on a plan that was doomed to fail from the get go. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32425300) |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 2:20 PM Author: walnut corner philosopher-king (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32425423) |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 10:52 PM Author: indecent private investor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32428964) |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 2:18 PM Author: walnut corner philosopher-king (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32425408) |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 2:24 PM Author: plum famous landscape painting 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32425460) |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 8:18 PM Author: lemon violent factory reset button rofl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32427934) |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 12:10 PM Author: chocolate faggot firefighter office This attitude is why schools are failing. Dumbass students can't form a complete sentence, but lib teachers say "Well, at least he tried!" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32424453) |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 12:15 PM Author: opaque principal's office newt it's an environment that completely enables failure and horrific discipline problems.
race politics are leading to the ruination of the country.
whites need to stop cowering and living in fear of being called racist and start holding blacks accountable. |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 12:22 PM Author: federal irradiated stag film Go read Hillbilly Elegy. Your white culture is nigger to the core and dying by inches every day. Single parent household rates are converging but with white people matching the low of blacks and same in every other metric. SAT scores keep falling across the white cohort. Stop blaming blacks for what has always been an economics problem. Shit jobs = shit families = shit parenting = shit kids. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32424519) |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 12:25 PM Author: Titillating shimmering gunner First, poor as fuck asians who came here from shit situations and held shit jobs in the US managed to produce good kids. Your formula is bullshit.
Second, the trend you are describing is somewhat true but its a result of bad social policy. Remover the incentives for single motherhood and see how quickly that trend changes |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 12:28 PM Author: federal irradiated stag film Flame, the Asian cohorts who came to the US were always educated elites. For example the Vietnamese were the Vietnamese ruling class who fled the commies, same for most of the Chinese here. We never got many/any rice farmers from the inland, bro. Even the 19th century Chinese migrants were better than middle class since passage to the US cost like 2 years pay. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32424560) |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 12:31 PM Author: chocolate faggot firefighter office Lots of Vietnamese rice farmers and fisherman came to America. A lot ended up in Louisiana. A third of all fisherman in the Gulf of Mexico are Vietnamese. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32424585) |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 12:33 PM Author: federal irradiated stag film Yeah -- the ones who owned the boats back home -- not the menial laborers. Sorry. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32424596) |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 12:34 PM Author: chocolate faggot firefighter office Those are still not the "educated elites" or "ruling class" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32424601) |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 12:43 PM Author: federal irradiated stag film They were. They are the Kulak class. In a TTT country like Vietnam the dude who owns the fishing boat is the ruling class. The commies were going to and did slaughter these dudes. You cant apply a developed world standard to it. To own a fishing boat in a country like Vietnam was like being an ibanker here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32424667) |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 1:21 PM Author: Bright rehab Even if this were true, your argument is basically hinging upon the idea that vietnamese elites, when reduced to abject poverty in the US, were successful not because of socioeconomic factors but because they had superior DNA (not like their "elite status" over there held any cachet here) so now that we agree that genetically some races can be inferior to others... |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 2:23 PM Author: federal irradiated stag film It's not really genetics. It's motivation and education. That fishing boat duder had "it" and had more education than you would think. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32425439) |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 2:23 PM Author: opaque principal's office newt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32425440) |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 1:19 PM Author: Bright rehab lmfao it's like you proudly have no fucking clue what you're talking about spend two seconds on the coast of texas meeting the viets you're talking about |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 6:31 PM Author: Cracking Step-uncle's House Elastic Band lol Its crazy all those dumb peasants in Vietnam are still able to beat the fuck out of Russias PISA scores?
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Date: January 21st, 2017 12:30 PM Author: federal irradiated stag film "Second, the trend you are describing is somewhat true but its a result of bad social policy."
Yeah, only that's true for blacks too. We shipped their jobs to China. |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 8:33 PM Author: Boyish crotch travel guidebook "race politics are leading to the ruination of the country."
This line or some variant of it is ridiculous and gets repeated all the fucking time. Immigration is the only angle from which this could be true, but this thread is about dumb blacks, as is usually any discussion of "race politics"
Here's a mostly random and off the top of my head list of things more "ruinous" than your vague racial politics disaster:
American parenting/childworship culture Outrageous ancillary expenses for infrastructure and construction (ridiculous local laws, the massive make-work legal system, etc) which make us a joke even compared to sky-high COL Denmark etc. Related to the first point, an education system which prioritizes "dreaming" and not actually putting people to work so they get saddled with debt working a shitjob Our money vaccuum of a healthcare system Hyper-regionalization of the most productive sectors of the economy (e.g. Silicon Valley)
Dumb black people have been here a long time and were even angrier in the 60s. They will not be the reason for some spontaneous combustion of America just because of Obama's "my son could look like him" quip |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 10:48 PM Author: indecent private investor All that and shitty black culture and redneck culture will lead to the ruination of America (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32428935) |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 10:42 PM Author: indecent private investor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32428907) |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 10:48 PM Author: spectacular bronze dingle berry what happened with zuck and NJ public schools (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32428939) |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 10:50 PM Author: indecent private investor It all got sucked up by bureaucrats iir the New Yorker article correctly (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32428949) |
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Date: January 21st, 2017 10:54 PM Author: Greedy Regret Faggotry Sounds like there was an issue with what schools actually did with all the money. Not sure why the DOE didn't actually track what changes schools made to get the SIG grants. Perhaps some actions were more effective than others. I bet the schools that went completely charter and hired new staff/principals were better off than the schools that just implemented new curricula. This also happened in a climate where tons of school systems were dealing with slashed budgets already. Outcomes may have been even worse without the fed funding. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3498417&forum_id=2#32428992) |