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explain Corporate Tax rate to me like I'm a woman (and why cutting it is good)

I've been told we're slashing the rate down to 15%. how is t...
Plum Address Striped Hyena
  09/20/17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqLjyA0hL1s
mind-boggling canary turdskin
  09/20/17
REEEEEEEEEEEE
Dull home elastic band
  09/20/17
Corps pass this tax directly to consumers anyway.
brass razzmatazz sanctuary dysfunction
  09/20/17
But there is an actual interesting question here, even if we...
curious slap-happy partner tank
  09/20/17
gets passed on to consumers depending on the industry amo...
Onyx splenetic library persian
  09/20/17
"isnt claiming residence in Ireland or some brown perso...
Idiotic titillating center
  09/20/17
so are you saying its all pointless because globalization wo...
Plum Address Striped Hyena
  09/20/17
There are limits to arbitrage strategies and ways in which t...
supple violet chapel volcanic crater
  09/20/17
can you give exampled of how tax code can be written or inte...
Plum Address Striped Hyena
  09/20/17
I don't have a detailed understanding of tax law. From what ...
supple violet chapel volcanic crater
  09/20/17
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Date: September 20th, 2017 9:13 AM
Author: Plum Address Striped Hyena

I've been told we're slashing the rate down to 15%. how is that good for average joe? and how exactly do corps pay tax anyways? and while we're at it, isnt claiming residence in Ireland or some brown person island what corps do anyways? thank

and yes, if your wondering, I am a corporate biglaw lawyer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737373&forum_id=2#34249469)



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Date: September 20th, 2017 9:23 AM
Author: mind-boggling canary turdskin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqLjyA0hL1s

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737373&forum_id=2#34249523)



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Date: September 20th, 2017 10:06 AM
Author: Dull home elastic band

REEEEEEEEEEEE

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Date: September 20th, 2017 9:18 AM
Author: brass razzmatazz sanctuary dysfunction

Corps pass this tax directly to consumers anyway.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737373&forum_id=2#34249489)



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Date: September 20th, 2017 9:22 AM
Author: curious slap-happy partner tank

But there is an actual interesting question here, even if we shouldn’t give any credence to Republican answers. Who does, in afact, pay the corporate profit tax? Does it fall on corporations, and hence eventually on their shareholders? Or is the ultimate incidence mainly on wages, as the administration claims?

There have been some very good discussions of this issue by CBO, here and here.

CBO is skeptical of cross-country regressions that seem to suggest that much of the burden falls on wages. I agree, on general principles. In most cases it’s just too difficult to control for other factors. The only times I take cross-country results seriously is when there’s really drastic differential behavior of a factor likely to have large effects, like the huge differences in the degree of fiscal austerity between 2009-2013. Trying to tease out the effects of corporate taxation, which doesn’t differ all that much among OECD countries and is surely not the most important driver of wage differences, looks hopeless.

The alternative is some kind of structural story; and I think there’s an important point here, already made by CBO but in need of more emphasis: we really need to think about monopoly rents.

The usual way this story is told thinks of the corporate tax as a tax on returns to physical capital. The story then says that back in the old days, when capital mobility between countries was limited, domestic corporations really had no way to avoid the tax, so it did indeed fall on shareholders. But now, so the tale goes, we have highly mobile capital; if you tax it in any one country, it will flow out, making capital scarcer and driving down wages, until after-tax rates of return in that country have risen back to the world average.

There are important qualifications to this story even as given. For one thing, capital mobility remains far from perfect: the Feldstein Horioka correlation between domestic savings and domestic investment has weakened, but it’s still there. For another, the US is a big country, able to affect world rates of return. One more thing: given the size of the US, cuts in our corporate taxes might well induce competitive cuts in other countries, further reducing the impact on wages here.

But what caught my eye from the CBO was a quite different point: much corporate taxation probably doesn’t fall on returns to physical capital, but rather on monopoly rents. It doesn’t matter whether these rents were fairly earned through, say, investment in technology, or even whether the corporations earn super-high profits. As long as the local source of profit is some kind of monopoly rent, corporate tax incidence is going to fall on shareholders, not workers.

Imagine a world in which all corporations are like Google or Apple: they invest resources in developing new products, then sell those products — in which they have a lot of market power — in various countries for well above production cost, which is the source of their profits. Cutting the tax rate on such profits won’t make them employ more people, driving up the demand for labor and hence wages; it will just let them keep more of their rents.

A parallel: think of pharma, where companies develop a drug then sell it worldwide. Some countries use the bargaining power of their government health systems to get lower prices, some (mostly us) don’t; the countries that bargain for lower prices don’t pay any price in reduced access to drugs. Similarly, if you place a tax on profits earned from technological monopolies, you won’t lose access to the technology, you’ll just collect more taxes.

And there’s a lot of reason to believe that market power is an increasingly big deal. Again, this doesn’t have to be unfair, and it could involve monopolistic competition without a lot of excess returns. The point is that no matter what the source and justification for market power, that power undermines the case that capital mobility will mean that cutting corporate taxes benefits workers.

This changes the narrative, doesn’t it? Instead of focusing on rising capital mobility as a reason profits taxes might fall on workers, maybe we should focus on rising market power as a reason why profits taxes fall on capitalists.

The point for now is that when someone tells you that changes in the world have made old-style corporate taxes obsolete, be skeptical. Some changes in the world may have made profit taxation a better idea than ever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737373&forum_id=2#34249516)



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Date: September 20th, 2017 9:23 AM
Author: Onyx splenetic library persian

gets passed on to consumers depending on the industry

amounts to double taxation on stakeholders

can be a regressive tax since it takes a larger share of income from lower-income individuals

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737373&forum_id=2#34249518)



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Date: September 20th, 2017 9:39 AM
Author: Idiotic titillating center

"isnt claiming residence in Ireland or some brown person island what corps do anyways?"

This. and that is why ultimately everything else you asked doesn't really matter. proles love to argue that corps don't pay their fair share but in the end it doesn't matter as the corps just offshore through tax arbitrage. what they have to claim domestically just gets passed on to the consumer as mentioned above.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737373&forum_id=2#34249599)



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Date: September 20th, 2017 9:55 AM
Author: Plum Address Striped Hyena

so are you saying its all pointless because globalization won?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737373&forum_id=2#34249690)



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Date: September 20th, 2017 10:13 AM
Author: supple violet chapel volcanic crater

There are limits to arbitrage strategies and ways in which the tax code can be written and interpreted to prevent certain strategies. Also, the article above notes that the corporate tax typically gets passed on to the shareholders and not consumers, especially for big corp's with dominant market power (Google, MSFT, Facebook etc) since much of their revenue is monopolistic rents.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737373&forum_id=2#34249828)



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Date: September 20th, 2017 10:15 AM
Author: Plum Address Striped Hyena

can you give exampled of how tax code can be written or interpreted to prevent such things?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737373&forum_id=2#34249840)



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Date: September 20th, 2017 10:26 AM
Author: supple violet chapel volcanic crater

I don't have a detailed understanding of tax law. From what I know, the problem is that the effective corporate tax rate is very very low for MNC's (especially tech MNC's where it's not clear where the "production" occurs or where the sale or revenue is generated) but can be high for other types of domestic companies where the production/costs and sales/revenue location are clear (so no "offshoring"). There is bipartisan support for lowering the nominal corp tax rate while maintaining or increasing tax revenue by making it harder for MNC's to use tax arbitrage strategies. So MSFT would pay more but the local bottling plant would pay less.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737373&forum_id=2#34249914)



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Date: September 20th, 2017 12:11 PM
Author: Plum Address Striped Hyena



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3737373&forum_id=2#34250581)