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3.89/159.5. What Schools? How Fucked?

Last October I got a 161. I took Testmasters, studied hard,...
clear indian lodge
  10/22/04
GULC PT, Boalt + 15-25s that you like and a bunch of lower T...
Painfully Honest Jet Locus Death Wish
  10/22/04
Please be brutally honest. What are my chances at GULC PT?
clear indian lodge
  10/22/04
Not good. But it's not impossible. Try to portray yourself a...
Painfully Honest Jet Locus Death Wish
  10/22/04
"Not good" meaning 40% or more like 20%?
clear indian lodge
  10/22/04
I'd guess around 15-20% but I don't really know. PT admissi...
Painfully Honest Jet Locus Death Wish
  10/22/04
An Idea
adventurous yapping trailer park pervert
  01/27/05
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Transparent chest-beating tanning salon
  05/14/05
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Transparent chest-beating tanning salon
  10/22/04
What sort of shot do you think I have at Minnesota? I think...
clear indian lodge
  10/22/04
...
Transparent chest-beating tanning salon
  10/22/04
You think there's anything I can do between to improve my ch...
clear indian lodge
  10/22/04
...
Transparent chest-beating tanning salon
  10/22/04
How do I make it scream that?
clear indian lodge
  10/22/04
...
Transparent chest-beating tanning salon
  10/22/04
I went to school in Chicago. Does that count for anything? ...
clear indian lodge
  10/22/04
...
Transparent chest-beating tanning salon
  10/23/04
A top 20 school seems highly unlikely unless there is someth...
Disrespectful box office love of her life
  10/22/04
I'm a middle class white dude. What's thay buy me these day...
clear indian lodge
  10/22/04
A middle class white dude means you'll probably need to be a...
Disrespectful box office love of her life
  10/22/04
I'm above Minnesota's 75th percentile for GPA and at their 2...
clear indian lodge
  10/22/04
Apply early, visit early, and generally be aggressive. Are ...
Disrespectful box office love of her life
  10/22/04
I plan on submitting my application by next Friday. I'll ...
clear indian lodge
  10/22/04
I got my first response on Saturday. I was deferred at Minn...
clear indian lodge
  12/19/04
Agree w/ Loyola or Kent, but I would strongly suggest includ...
Zippy Community Account
  12/20/04
FYI: Schools round up. So you have a 160.
scarlet internet-worthy kitty cat
  10/22/04
Small consolation, but thanks for the tip. That makes a b...
clear indian lodge
  10/22/04
It's too bad that schools round down on LSAT averages...
heady judgmental hunting ground
  01/28/05
Now I am thinking of applying to these schools: GULC PT ...
clear indian lodge
  10/22/04
Might try WUSTL too. If you get in, I'll buy you a drink.
green cheese-eating stag film
  10/22/04
Thanks for the advice and the offer.
clear indian lodge
  10/22/04
My numbers were similar and I'm at WUSTL now--so definitely ...
Magical Jade Lodge International Law Enforcement Agency
  11/06/04
We all know he would just hand him the empty cup at best.
indecent big hospital
  11/06/04
I'd add a safety like Santa Clara.
sooty stage dysfunction
  10/23/04
I'd add Wisconsin, Marquette and maybe IU. Maybe DePaul as ...
Disrespectful box office love of her life
  10/23/04
I have similar numbers: http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php...
pungent overrated area
  10/22/04
;-(
clear indian lodge
  10/22/04
Minnesota has early decision. Would it help me much to appl...
clear indian lodge
  10/22/04
If you write a PS specific to why you want to be there. Ken...
supple underhanded station rigpig
  10/22/04
The most important thing is probably to decide where you wan...
grizzly fighting persian
  10/23/04
You have an outside chance at Boalt, so definitely apply the...
contagious bat shit crazy therapy cruise ship
  10/23/04
I'll give it a shot. Thanks.
clear indian lodge
  10/23/04
I had very similar #s last year. Best School I got into w...
Effete razzmatazz plaza preventive strike
  10/23/04
Are you a boring white dude?
clear indian lodge
  10/23/04
Let's say I want to practice in Chicago, what schools should...
clear indian lodge
  11/05/04
Loyola-Chicago, and maybe ND. BTW: I had very similar num...
Arousing incel
  11/05/04
You got into NU? That's surprising. What were your numbers...
grizzly fighting persian
  11/05/04
Same LSAT as OP; 4.0gpa.
Arousing incel
  11/06/04
Surprising. That's all I can say.
grizzly fighting persian
  11/07/04
How fucked? Abner Louima got off lucky compared to what LSAC...
Navy Stirring School
  11/06/04
What about me?
nighttime idea he suggested electric furnace
  11/06/04
Play up the music, particularly with regard to theory, etc. ...
Zippy Community Account
  12/20/04
To the OP
Vigorous ruddy brunch goyim
  12/20/04
at 10 points above the median score, "failure" doe...
Glittery karate regret
  12/20/04
yeah - at least you didn't get like 148. you still did bett...
Fiercely-loyal orchestra pit
  12/20/04
Try for the higher ranked schools, but Iowa and Wisconsin sh...
ebony location
  12/20/04
I applied to UIUC. I didn't apply to Iowa because their sal...
clear indian lodge
  01/11/05
A question about re-taking the LSAT--did you take a prep tes...
Aphrodisiac set
  01/11/05
Don't take the prep. I teach one now. Not only will you be...
at-the-ready motley roast beef menage
  01/11/05
what did you get on the LSAT? What score does one need in or...
Aphrodisiac set
  01/11/05
I don't know what made my score go down. I didn't prep befo...
clear indian lodge
  01/12/05
which two test administrations did you take? (I took Dece...
Aphrodisiac set
  01/12/05
I took 10/03 and 10/04.
clear indian lodge
  01/13/05
Iowa and Wisc both give you a good chance in both Chicago an...
Disrespectful box office love of her life
  01/13/05
Yes, I applied to Loyola and Kent months ago.
clear indian lodge
  01/13/05
You're going to be fine, and you'll get a job in the midwest...
Disrespectful box office love of her life
  01/13/05
I'm not worried about the app fees, so I'll send off some mo...
clear indian lodge
  01/13/05
P.S. I got into Loyola yesterday. So I guess I won't have t...
clear indian lodge
  01/27/05
I also got $10k/year from Chicago-Kent.
clear indian lodge
  02/02/05
you're not getting into a top 20. maybe not getting into a T...
honey-headed factory reset button foreskin
  01/13/05
I applied to Minnesota and Illinois back in early November. ...
clear indian lodge
  01/13/05
you'll probably pull at least one of them. most of them are ...
honey-headed factory reset button foreskin
  01/13/05
Here's my current list of schools to which I have applied: ...
clear indian lodge
  01/13/05
UCLA?
honey-headed factory reset button foreskin
  01/13/05
Chiasu.com says I have less than a 20% chance there. You th...
clear indian lodge
  01/13/05
i was just saying that becuase they're the most GPA heavy sc...
honey-headed factory reset button foreskin
  01/13/05
Maybe I'll go flip some coins and roll some dice to decide t...
clear indian lodge
  01/14/05
same here
saffron abode sneaky criminal
  01/28/05
You might want to go ahead and send in an app to GW PT. The...
Violet church
  01/28/05
You guys discuss your LSAT scores? Weird. I don't know any...
Narrow-minded hall
  01/28/05
My two cents...i think you've got a great shot anywhere outs...
very tactful shivering bawdyhouse
  02/02/05
The difference between us is that you have a high LSAT and a...
clear indian lodge
  02/08/05
The results are in -- In: Arizona State, IIT($$), Loyola-...
clear indian lodge
  05/14/05
Don't go to SMU. It is a TTT. My ex got in there with a 3.0/...
Haunting federal windowlicker
  05/14/05
Hey man, that is surprising about SMU. I may be opening up ...
flickering pit toaster
  05/14/05
...
red meetinghouse digit ratio
  05/14/05
what a dick.
Cracking Degenerate
  05/14/05
hey, the 'net is one of the few places I can be honest
red meetinghouse digit ratio
  05/14/05
what are your numbers? i'm asking this in interest of asses...
impressive tan personal credit line principal's office
  05/14/05
I think I've posted them before. 167/3.9
red meetinghouse digit ratio
  05/14/05
161 and you are mocking his 158&161? What a douche.
Cracking Degenerate
  05/14/05
re-read. it was a split.
red meetinghouse digit ratio
  05/14/05
Uh, he didn't come off as an elitest or prestige whore in th...
Azure coldplay fan nursing home
  05/14/05
...
red meetinghouse digit ratio
  05/15/05
"Yes, I know I'm a TTT. Yes, I know I'm retarded. Yes, ...
Azure coldplay fan nursing home
  05/15/05
I think you misread my first post. That was a preemptiv...
clear indian lodge
  06/28/05
pwn3d!
red meetinghouse digit ratio
  05/14/05
...
Transparent chest-beating tanning salon
  05/14/05
Hastings is a solid admit. Surprised you were WL'ed at UMN.
Ruby bull headed chapel
  05/15/05
To OP: most likely not getting into Minn - as posted on this...
Marvelous Center
  06/28/05


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Date: October 22nd, 2004 9:30 PM
Author: clear indian lodge

Last October I got a 161. I took Testmasters, studied hard, and was rewarded with a 158 this October. That gives me the great average of 159.5.

I went to a top private university and majored in economics. (In other words, nothing special about me.)

What schools should I shoot for? I'd like to get into a top 20 school. If I can't do that, I'd like to practice in the upper midwest (perhaps Chicago or Minneapolis) or on the west coast.

Yes, I know I'm a TTT. Yes, I know I'm retarded. Yes, I know I'm not prestigious. Yes, I know I'm a failure. Yes, I know baby Jesus is laughing at me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1533967)





Date: October 22nd, 2004 9:34 PM
Author: Painfully Honest Jet Locus Death Wish

GULC PT, Boalt + 15-25s that you like and a bunch of lower Tier 1s and some Tier 2s that you like.

Best of luck.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1533998)





Date: October 22nd, 2004 9:36 PM
Author: clear indian lodge

Please be brutally honest. What are my chances at GULC PT?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1534015)





Date: October 22nd, 2004 9:40 PM
Author: Painfully Honest Jet Locus Death Wish

Not good. But it's not impossible. Try to portray yourself as uniquely as possible and talk about what you'd like to do in Washington.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1534045)





Date: October 22nd, 2004 9:42 PM
Author: clear indian lodge

"Not good" meaning 40% or more like 20%?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1534049)





Date: October 22nd, 2004 9:46 PM
Author: Painfully Honest Jet Locus Death Wish

I'd guess around 15-20% but I don't really know. PT admissions are somewhat random.

I got in with 3.7/164/Masters degree

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1534078)





Date: January 27th, 2005 4:34 PM
Author: adventurous yapping trailer park pervert
Subject: An Idea

If you bust your chops to get an internship with a Senator/Congressman in DC and make some connections there, it is very possible that you could get a full-time staff position. Once aquired, getting into GULC PT may not be that difficult.

To get into GULC with the low LSAT (which will be rounded up to a 160 I think), you will really have to sell them on your future in politics or something else that you can only do in DC.

Good luck bro.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#2013359)





Date: May 14th, 2005 10:42 PM
Author: Transparent chest-beating tanning salon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#2785780)





Date: October 22nd, 2004 9:34 PM
Author: Transparent chest-beating tanning salon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1534001)





Date: October 22nd, 2004 9:37 PM
Author: clear indian lodge

What sort of shot do you think I have at Minnesota? I think that just magically become my new dream school.

What about Iowa? Is that good for the upper midwest?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1534025)





Date: October 22nd, 2004 9:39 PM
Author: Transparent chest-beating tanning salon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1534041)





Date: October 22nd, 2004 9:41 PM
Author: clear indian lodge

You think there's anything I can do between to improve my chances?

I'll hop on a plane and visit campus to show them I'm serious if I have to.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1534047)





Date: October 22nd, 2004 9:42 PM
Author: Transparent chest-beating tanning salon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1534053)





Date: October 22nd, 2004 9:45 PM
Author: clear indian lodge

How do I make it scream that?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1534069)





Date: October 22nd, 2004 9:50 PM
Author: Transparent chest-beating tanning salon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1534101)





Date: October 22nd, 2004 9:52 PM
Author: clear indian lodge

I went to school in Chicago. Does that count for anything?

<<<and maybe something unique about you that MN probably doesn't get very much of.>>>

Do they get many people from the Big Square States?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1534108)





Date: October 23rd, 2004 10:10 AM
Author: Transparent chest-beating tanning salon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1535938)





Date: October 22nd, 2004 9:35 PM
Author: Disrespectful box office love of her life

A top 20 school seems highly unlikely unless there is something very special about you (i.e. you're native American, there is a building on campus named after your family, you won a Nobel prize). If you're in-state, you might have a shot at a top school that makes it easier for in-state people to get in- maybe Iowa, MN or UIUC. If you really like Chicago, Kent and Loyola are both well-respected and you will get a good job from either of these schools. Also, if you like Wisconsin, if you go to school in Wisconsin (UW or Marquette) you don't have to take the Wisconsin bar exam. Indiana U- Bloomington might be a good choice, or Ohio State. But if you really like Chicago, you should consider Loyola or Kent.

edit- you should apply to the midwestern top publics even if you're not in state, and I don't know if it actually is easier if you are in state, you'd need to research that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1534003)





Date: October 22nd, 2004 9:39 PM
Author: clear indian lodge

I'm a middle class white dude. What's thay buy me these days?

I'm not in-state at any of those schools.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1534040)





Date: October 22nd, 2004 9:45 PM
Author: Disrespectful box office love of her life

A middle class white dude means you'll probably need to be above the 50%ile to have a good chance at any school. Sorry.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1534073)





Date: October 22nd, 2004 9:47 PM
Author: clear indian lodge

I'm above Minnesota's 75th percentile for GPA and at their 25th percentile for LSAT. I hope that's good enough.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1534082)





Date: October 22nd, 2004 9:50 PM
Author: Disrespectful box office love of her life

Apply early, visit early, and generally be aggressive. Are you applying to start next fall? Get that app in the mail this week and call to schedule a visit, pronto.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1534097)





Date: October 22nd, 2004 9:51 PM
Author: clear indian lodge

I plan on submitting my application by next Friday.

I'll get working on that visit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1534103)





Date: December 19th, 2004 3:04 PM
Author: clear indian lodge

I got my first response on Saturday. I was deferred at Minnesota.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1815743)





Date: December 20th, 2004 12:33 AM
Author: Zippy Community Account

Agree w/ Loyola or Kent, but I would strongly suggest including DePaul as well. The rule should be--if you can't get into the top 14, then target geographically. A strong grad from any of these schools can work in Chicago. A very strong grad could even do Chicago BigLaw.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1817695)





Date: October 22nd, 2004 9:37 PM
Author: scarlet internet-worthy kitty cat

FYI: Schools round up. So you have a 160.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1534023)





Date: October 22nd, 2004 9:38 PM
Author: clear indian lodge

Small consolation, but thanks for the tip.

That makes a big difference according to Chiasu's calculator.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1534030)





Date: January 28th, 2005 7:06 PM
Author: heady judgmental hunting ground

It's too bad that schools round down on LSAT averages...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#2020698)





Date: October 22nd, 2004 9:35 PM
Author: clear indian lodge

Now I am thinking of applying to these schools:

GULC PT

Iowa

UC-Davis

Minnesota

Hastings

Loyola-Chicago

USD

Chicago-Kent



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1534009)





Date: October 22nd, 2004 9:52 PM
Author: green cheese-eating stag film

Might try WUSTL too. If you get in, I'll buy you a drink.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1534107)





Date: October 22nd, 2004 9:52 PM
Author: clear indian lodge

Thanks for the advice and the offer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1534111)





Date: November 6th, 2004 12:56 AM
Author: Magical Jade Lodge International Law Enforcement Agency

My numbers were similar and I'm at WUSTL now--so definitely worth a shot. And by Stabby buying you a drink, he means he'll pour you a drink at the school sponsored happy hours.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1608072)





Date: November 6th, 2004 6:06 PM
Author: indecent big hospital

We all know he would just hand him the empty cup at best.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1610263)





Date: October 23rd, 2004 3:39 AM
Author: sooty stage dysfunction

I'd add a safety like Santa Clara.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1535575)





Date: October 23rd, 2004 1:28 PM
Author: Disrespectful box office love of her life

I'd add Wisconsin, Marquette and maybe IU. Maybe DePaul as a safety. The bonus to Wisconsin and Marquette is that you don't need to take the bar exam to be admitted to the WI bar, so you can take the bar exam for another state and then you're admitted in 2 states and have extra marketability. If you like CA, maybe Santa Clara or Pepperdine would be good safeties.

ND might be worth a shot. I know a white girl with a 161 and a significantly lower GPA.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1536292)





Date: October 22nd, 2004 9:36 PM
Author: pungent overrated area

I have similar numbers:

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=97852&mc=4&forum_id=2

Let's cry together!!@



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1534017)





Date: October 22nd, 2004 9:50 PM
Author: clear indian lodge

;-(

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1534096)





Date: October 22nd, 2004 9:43 PM
Author: clear indian lodge

Minnesota has early decision. Would it help me much to apply ED there?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1534055)





Date: October 22nd, 2004 9:46 PM
Author: supple underhanded station rigpig

If you write a PS specific to why you want to be there. Kent/Loyala seem like they'd work well for you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1534076)





Date: October 23rd, 2004 2:16 AM
Author: grizzly fighting persian

The most important thing is probably to decide where you want to be geographically speaking.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1535273)





Date: October 23rd, 2004 10:15 AM
Author: contagious bat shit crazy therapy cruise ship

You have an outside chance at Boalt, so definitely apply there. I know several non-URMs there who have numbers like yours, so write a really fucking good personal statement, white boy!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1535940)





Date: October 23rd, 2004 1:24 PM
Author: clear indian lodge

I'll give it a shot. Thanks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1536281)





Date: October 23rd, 2004 11:06 AM
Author: Effete razzmatazz plaza preventive strike

I had very similar #s last year.

Best School I got into was UMinnesota. I got nixed at Texas. I got into a bunch in the 20-40 range but got WL at ND, WashU and Vandy. Hope that helps.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1536002)





Date: October 23rd, 2004 1:25 PM
Author: clear indian lodge

Are you a boring white dude?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1536284)





Date: November 5th, 2004 8:36 PM
Author: clear indian lodge

Let's say I want to practice in Chicago, what schools should I shoot for?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1606886)





Date: November 5th, 2004 10:34 PM
Author: Arousing incel

Loyola-Chicago, and maybe ND.

BTW: I had very similar numbers last year, got into NU, Gtown (p/t), UCLA, USC and ND. Non-URM. I'm convinced it was a mix of my personal statement and geographic diversity (coming from NYC) that got me into some of those schools. You def. have a shot if you can market yourself well.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1607476)





Date: November 5th, 2004 10:37 PM
Author: grizzly fighting persian

You got into NU? That's surprising. What were your numbers?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1607492)





Date: November 6th, 2004 12:53 AM
Author: Arousing incel

Same LSAT as OP; 4.0gpa.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1608063)





Date: November 7th, 2004 5:05 PM
Author: grizzly fighting persian

Surprising. That's all I can say.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1616042)





Date: November 6th, 2004 12:55 AM
Author: Navy Stirring School

How fucked? Abner Louima got off lucky compared to what LSAC will do to you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1608069)





Date: November 6th, 2004 5:43 PM
Author: nighttime idea he suggested electric furnace
Subject: What about me?

I decided to apply to a shitload of places and say my prayers--luckily, I would be happy going to OSU or UC if it came down to it. But I applied... 3.92 English/Music Indiana University, 3 year grad, 160 LSAT...it happens, played rock/jazz shows regionally on the weekends, started a volunteer piano teaching program, scored a few below my average, just want to know if anyone else has experience applying with these numbers. I made statements pertaining to why I wanted to go to GW, Minnesota, and Emory, any chances kids? It's rough being a white boy. And, if things don't work out in a way that I'm happy, I can year off and hope that I can study more--though believe me, I studied a lot. Thanks

GW

George Mason

Emory

Colorado

University of Cincinnati

Ohio State

Wash U

Fordham

Cardozo

Maryland

Case Western

Minnesota

UNC

American

Boston U

Boston C.

Any chance I'll sneak in a top 30?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1610175)





Date: December 20th, 2004 12:31 AM
Author: Zippy Community Account

Play up the music, particularly with regard to theory, etc. Several admissions people have told me that this major is among the most likely to succeed in law school. Similar analytical skills, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1817684)





Date: December 20th, 2004 4:19 AM
Author: Vigorous ruddy brunch goyim
Subject: To the OP

I think Wisc has rolling admissions so the earlier you submit, the better your chances.

Other suggestions: Vandy, Emory, Northwestern, Case, Washington U.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1818315)





Date: December 20th, 2004 4:55 AM
Author: Glittery karate regret

at 10 points above the median score, "failure" doesnt seem to apply.

you would definitely get into wisconsin. your GPA is absurdly high for there, and your LSAT is right on average. it's more like 30 ranked, but it's upper midwest, and a nice town (i go there now for undergrad).

i wish you could give me your gpa in exchange for a few lsatg points, haha. 3.9 at a top school, wow, that's good.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1818355)





Date: December 20th, 2004 8:58 AM
Author: Fiercely-loyal orchestra pit

yeah - at least you didn't get like 148. you still did better than like 80% of the people taking it and are looking at a top-30 school.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1818459)





Date: December 20th, 2004 9:10 AM
Author: ebony location

Try for the higher ranked schools, but Iowa and Wisconsin should be safe as they both have 160 median LSAT scores and lower median gpas than yours:

http://www.law.wisc.edu/prospective/number.htm

http://www.law.uiowa.edu/admissions/faq.php#median

Certainly try UIUC as well.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1818467)





Date: January 11th, 2005 12:52 AM
Author: clear indian lodge

I applied to UIUC. I didn't apply to Iowa because their salary info scared the shit out of me.

You think it's worth a shot?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1909057)





Date: January 11th, 2005 11:44 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac set

A question about re-taking the LSAT--did you take a prep test before your first test date? What do you think made your score go down the second time? Was it just a harder test?

I ask because I got a 158 on the December test...I'm considering retaking but I don't know what to do. Most of my practice test scores were in the 150s range, so a 158 is actually pretty good for me personally, but I did get a 162 on one of my practice tests, and I really want a higher score.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1910100)





Date: January 11th, 2005 2:47 PM
Author: at-the-ready motley roast beef menage

Don't take the prep. I teach one now. Not only will you be 10 points above everyone else in your class, but you'll only be a few points lower than your teacher. It's all about putting in the time studying anyway, there aren't any tricks you can't learn on your own.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1910964)





Date: January 11th, 2005 5:52 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac set

what did you get on the LSAT? What score does one need in order to teach?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1912128)





Date: January 12th, 2005 2:33 AM
Author: clear indian lodge

I don't know what made my score go down. I didn't prep before the first one, and I was pulling pretty regular upper-160s and lower-170s in practice tests. The gods of the LSAT just bent me over and let me have it, I suppose.

I thought the more recent test was easier.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1915540)





Date: January 12th, 2005 4:40 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac set

which two test administrations did you take?

(I took December '04)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1918115)





Date: January 13th, 2005 1:48 AM
Author: clear indian lodge

I took 10/03 and 10/04.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1921921)





Date: January 13th, 2005 1:59 AM
Author: Disrespectful box office love of her life

Iowa and Wisc both give you a good chance in both Chicago and Minnesota. You should definitely apply to both. If you get into Iowa, then worry about their salary info and decide if you want to go to a lower-ranked school instead.

You did apply to Loyola and Kent, right? B/c you should.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1922001)





Date: January 13th, 2005 2:03 AM
Author: clear indian lodge

Yes, I applied to Loyola and Kent months ago.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1922039)





Date: January 13th, 2005 2:06 AM
Author: Disrespectful box office love of her life

You're going to be fine, and you'll get a job in the midwest. You're not fucked at all. Iowa/Wisc will have the advantage of being marketable in both MN and IL whereas Chicago schools are basically for Chicago, which is why I said to apply to Iowa and Wisc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1922059)





Date: January 13th, 2005 2:10 AM
Author: clear indian lodge

I'm not worried about the app fees, so I'll send off some more applications tomorrow, I suppose.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1922086)





Date: January 27th, 2005 11:25 AM
Author: clear indian lodge

P.S. I got into Loyola yesterday. So I guess I won't have to go lower than the middle of Tier 2.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#2011664)





Date: February 2nd, 2005 12:50 AM
Author: clear indian lodge

I also got $10k/year from Chicago-Kent.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#2046072)





Date: January 13th, 2005 1:53 AM
Author: honey-headed factory reset button foreskin

you're not getting into a top 20. maybe not getting into a T1. i'd say you have mediocre to pretty good chances at a lot of state schools in the midwest though.

your best hope in the top 20 range are the UC's, but they're not in the midwest.

try Minn, Wisconsin, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, and some T2's and T3's where you want to practice. you'll probably pull one of the midwest schools, though maybe not Minn or Iowa.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1921959)





Date: January 13th, 2005 2:07 AM
Author: clear indian lodge

I applied to Minnesota and Illinois back in early November. Maybe I'll toss an app or two into the rest of your pile of suggestions.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1922064)





Date: January 13th, 2005 2:18 AM
Author: honey-headed factory reset button foreskin

you'll probably pull at least one of them. most of them are pretty good if you want to practice in the midwest.

btw, in WI you don't have to take the bar. nice plus, eh?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1922125)





Date: January 13th, 2005 2:09 AM
Author: clear indian lodge

Here's my current list of schools to which I have applied:

Kent

Loyola

Minnesota

Hastings

GULC PT

Illinois

WUSTL

Berkeley

Washington and Lee

Boston College

Boston University

SMU

ASU



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1922079)





Date: January 13th, 2005 2:20 AM
Author: honey-headed factory reset button foreskin

UCLA?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1922134)





Date: January 13th, 2005 2:40 AM
Author: clear indian lodge

Chiasu.com says I have less than a 20% chance there. You think it's worth 70-whatever dollars for the application?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1922232)





Date: January 13th, 2005 2:45 AM
Author: honey-headed factory reset button foreskin

i was just saying that becuase they're the most GPA heavy school i can think of. you already applied to Cal and Hastings though so i'd say you have california covered decently enough.

is it worth $70? your prerogative. i don't think you have an awesome shot there, but if you really want to go to a top 20ish school you'd have to cast a wide net even though you can probably pull a very strong midwest T1. you'd probably be best off in the best school where you want to practice, Minnesota or another strong school in the region.

if it's a choice i'd spend the money on the rest of the T1 state schools in the midwest.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1922251)





Date: January 14th, 2005 12:01 AM
Author: clear indian lodge

Maybe I'll go flip some coins and roll some dice to decide this one.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#1928257)





Date: January 28th, 2005 4:52 PM
Author: saffron abode sneaky criminal
Subject: same here

Bigtard, I feel your pain. I took the 10/03 and 10/04 LSATs.

10/03 --> 160

took Testmasters

10/04 --> 158

Good luck on your apps. We've got a lot of the same schools.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#2020204)





Date: January 28th, 2005 5:02 PM
Author: Violet church

You might want to go ahead and send in an app to GW PT. There's a few people in my section with similar scores to yours. I think you have a good shot. And don't worry too much about applying late. I didn't send in my app to GW until March 1st last year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#2020242)





Date: January 28th, 2005 6:47 PM
Author: Narrow-minded hall

You guys discuss your LSAT scores? Weird. I don't know any of my friends' scores. I didn't think it was ever discussed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#2020627)





Date: February 2nd, 2005 3:47 PM
Author: very tactful shivering bawdyhouse

My two cents...i think you've got a great shot anywhere outside the top14...and an outside chance at the top 14. Serious. Maybe i'm just the eternal optimist of the board...

I have a low GPA and a fairly high (maybe not compared to this message board...but compared to the rest of the country) LSAT score. Most schools I had applied to I had below their 25 percentile GPA and right about at their 75% LSAT. I didn't get in everywhere...but i wasn't an auto-ding anywhere. I haven't been rejected anywhere yet, either...but i've been deferred and put on hold at WashU, Minnesota, and I have yet to hear back from Emory. I am going to Iowa next year though...which is a top 20-25 school (depends on the year and which rankings you look at). Plus, Iowa gave me tons of money...which means I probably wasn't even borderline...

IMHO, you'd probably got a great shot at Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, UIUC. Less so at the other top-tier schools at BU (i've been told they are an LSAT whore), BC, etc. But, let them reject you...don't reject yourself by not applying!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#2049105)





Date: February 8th, 2005 12:19 AM
Author: clear indian lodge

The difference between us is that you have a high LSAT and a low GPA, and I have a high GPA and a low LSAT. The LSAT is weighted more than GPA.

I was deferred at Minnesota and WUSTL, which is probably their way of rejecting me. So far, I have been accepted to Loyola University of Chicago, Chicago-Kent (+$10k/year), and Arizona State.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#2085687)





Date: May 14th, 2005 8:02 PM
Author: clear indian lodge

The results are in --

In: Arizona State, IIT($$), Loyola-Chicago($$), Hastings

Out: USC, Boston College, Boston University, Berkeley, Illinois.

Waitlisted: Minnesota, Georgetown PT, SMU, Arizona, Washington and Lee, WUSTL.

Biggest surprise: SMU. Chiasu's calculator gave me an 80+% change of getting in.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#2784520)





Date: May 14th, 2005 8:29 PM
Author: Haunting federal windowlicker

Don't go to SMU. It is a TTT. My ex got in there with a 3.0/164. He was the biggest lazy ass ever, so obviously they do not judge student quality particularly well. I'd say Hastings or Loyola...or push the people at Georgetown...I had scores like yours (higher grades, but test was basically the same)...I go to GMU now, but know the feeling about the LSAT screwing you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#2784703)





Date: May 14th, 2005 8:29 PM
Author: flickering pit toaster

Hey man, that is surprising about SMU. I may be opening up a spot for you next week though. I think I'm going to either A) go to GULC or B) defer a year. B is looking more and more likely.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#2784705)





Date: May 14th, 2005 8:48 PM
Author: red meetinghouse digit ratio



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#2784821)





Date: May 14th, 2005 10:48 PM
Author: Cracking Degenerate

what a dick.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#2785830)





Date: May 14th, 2005 10:55 PM
Author: red meetinghouse digit ratio

hey, the 'net is one of the few places I can be honest

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#2785916)





Date: May 14th, 2005 11:03 PM
Author: impressive tan personal credit line principal's office

what are your numbers? i'm asking this in interest of assessing the incoming class -- you can be honest.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#2786000)





Date: May 14th, 2005 11:07 PM
Author: red meetinghouse digit ratio

I think I've posted them before. 167/3.9

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#2786036)





Date: May 14th, 2005 11:08 PM
Author: Cracking Degenerate

161 and you are mocking his 158&161?

What a douche.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#2786047)





Date: May 14th, 2005 11:11 PM
Author: red meetinghouse digit ratio

re-read. it was a split.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#2786066)





Date: May 14th, 2005 11:56 PM
Author: Azure coldplay fan nursing home

Uh, he didn't come off as an elitest or prestige whore in the original post. You, on the other hand, aren't coming off very well.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#2786528)





Date: May 15th, 2005 12:03 AM
Author: red meetinghouse digit ratio



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#2786592)





Date: May 15th, 2005 12:08 AM
Author: Azure coldplay fan nursing home

"Yes, I know I'm a TTT. Yes, I know I'm retarded. Yes, I know I'm not prestigious. Yes, I know I'm a failure. Yes, I know baby Jesus is laughing at me."

This is obviously tongue-in-cheek in the context of XOXOHTH. And no, he didn't come across as a clueless prestige-whore-- being clueless would have meant saying, "I only want to go to T14."

"I feel that if people apply to a reach school they should do so because they absolutley love the school and feel they belong there."

Where did he say that he didn't love Boalt etc.? He said that he preferred the Midwest. Yeah, well, so do I. I love the Midwest yet I would go to other schools for substantive, unrelated, reasons.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#2786670)





Date: June 28th, 2005 4:03 PM
Author: clear indian lodge

I think you misread my first post. That was a preemptive strike against this board's predictable comments.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#3134492)





Date: May 14th, 2005 11:21 PM
Author: red meetinghouse digit ratio

pwn3d!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#2786170)





Date: May 14th, 2005 10:45 PM
Author: Transparent chest-beating tanning salon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#2785805)





Date: May 15th, 2005 12:19 AM
Author: Ruby bull headed chapel

Hastings is a solid admit. Surprised you were WL'ed at UMN.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#2786795)





Date: June 28th, 2005 4:55 PM
Author: Marvelous Center

To OP: most likely not getting into Minn - as posted on this site last week, estimated 25th/75th LSATs for incoming 1Ls are 163/167. Not female, not URM - not such a great chance. If you want to work in Minneapolis, Wisc or Iowa would be your best bet. Minneapolis firms are - in general - somewhat snobbish about hiring grads from schools not in the area. A friend of mine has a buddy who went to Yale, did well, came back to Msp, and was unemployed for 9 mos. I heard this throughout the second semester as I looked at firms for next fall, as well.

There are 3 others LS in the Cities - but all are T4 and you would have a really tough time if you ever wanted to work outside of MN.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=97906&forum_id=2#3134887)