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Date: March 28th, 2010 9:18 PM Author: diverse vengeful meetinghouse organic girlfriend I'm thinking about getting an M.Ed., but I was wondering about the primacy of prestige. Is there a tangible difference between the top schools' M.Ed. programs (Vanderbilt, Stanford, Columbia, etc.) and in-state, non-California universities' M.Ed. programs if you want to teach locally? Basically, is it worth going out-of-state to a top program and accumulating $50K+ in debt if you want to teach locally? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1265289&forum_id=3#14531409) |
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Date: March 28th, 2010 9:59 PM Author: spectacular field no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1265289&forum_id=3#14531857) |
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Date: March 28th, 2010 10:19 PM Author: diverse vengeful meetinghouse organic girlfriend Are you answering from experience or is this a seemingly obvious deduction you've come to? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1265289&forum_id=3#14532069) |
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Date: March 29th, 2010 3:52 AM Author: spectacular field obvious deduction, but i know several people who went to Harvard ed school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1265289&forum_id=3#14535687) |
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Date: March 29th, 2010 11:15 AM Author: diverse vengeful meetinghouse organic girlfriend Can you finish that thought? If there are horror stories, I'd like to hear them for my own future well-being. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1265289&forum_id=3#14536727) |
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Date: March 29th, 2010 8:45 AM Author: Apoplectic casino half-breed LOL. Fuck no. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1265289&forum_id=3#14536181) |
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Date: March 31st, 2010 9:22 PM Author: Autistic Vermilion Wrinkle (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1265289&forum_id=3#14562586) |
Date: March 29th, 2010 10:12 AM Author: Excitant gay stock car point really don't know why someone ITE would shell out $100k for a masters in education from Columbia or Stanford when you could get funded at a state school and have almost identical employability. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1265289&forum_id=3#14536494) |
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Date: March 29th, 2010 11:16 AM Author: diverse vengeful meetinghouse organic girlfriend That's my thinking, but I admittedly know little about this particular area so I'm trying to absorb as much information as possible. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1265289&forum_id=3#14536733) |
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Date: March 29th, 2010 12:11 PM Author: Excitant gay stock car point i don't know all there is to know about education programs, specifically, but i have done a terminal MA in another field and have enough friends/acquaintances in ed programs to have an idea of what they offer from a career advancement perspective.
some of it depends on what you want to do with your degree. someone who wants to be a middle school teacher would have zero reason to choose debt at harvard over a funded program elsewhere. that's just the reality of the times and of the market.
someone who wants to run scholarship funds/programs at a big corporation or nonprofit might be slightly better off with harvard on the resume, but i seriously doubt that the minimal self-marketing edge is worth the kind of debt that they'd go into for the degree. even then, some solid work experience and a master's from a run-of-the-mill program are probably just as effective and significantly less costly.
i haven't heard any real horror stories, but i still don't really know how going into up to $100k in debt is worthwhile for someone who wants to work in education. |
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Date: March 31st, 2010 2:11 PM Author: Impertinent 180 center mood TITCR. I took a full scholi and stipend at a state school over Columbia because debt for an education degree is just not an option ITE. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1265289&forum_id=3#14558610) |
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Date: March 31st, 2010 8:17 PM Author: Excitant gay stock car point good man. congrats on making your decision. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1265289&forum_id=3#14561962) |
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Date: April 7th, 2010 4:00 PM Author: Impertinent 180 center mood ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1265289&forum_id=3#14635276) |
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Date: March 31st, 2010 9:23 PM Author: Autistic Vermilion Wrinkle Columbia is packed full of TTT cashcow degrees. Even their UG. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1265289&forum_id=3#14562590) |
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Date: April 1st, 2010 2:56 PM Author: Excitant gay stock car point law school, as well (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1265289&forum_id=3#14569723) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 6:59 PM Author: Autistic Vermilion Wrinkle The law school is ok, although all law schools are CASH COWS at least Columbia's is a T14.
They have many many MasTTers degrees with admit rates well over 80% that are nothing but CASHCOWS for the school. |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 11:28 PM Author: fiercely-loyal talented love of her life Chicago is notorious for their consolation prize cash cow Master's Degree in "Liberal Arts", too. They rival Columbia for the sheer breadth of their festering TTT Cash Cow Masters' Degrees in decline.
They send this "exciting invitation" to everyone they reject from a PhD program.
I know a girl that actually got one of them. *rolls eyes* She's been unemployed for several years now. |
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Date: May 8th, 2010 8:13 AM Author: Excitant gay stock car point "although all law schools are CASH COWS at least Columbia's is a T14."
lol, ok.
you people are like fucking robots |
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Date: April 5th, 2010 3:16 AM Author: painfully honest abode regret Totally depends on your goals. If you want to teach K-12, many states won't even require a master's; just get your teaching credential somewhere. Of course, a master's looks better, but no need to go to a top tier school, particularly if you're looking to teach in an urban or rural public school.
If you're going into educational consulting, policy, leadership, or starting up charter schools or something, a degree from a name-brand school is slightly helpful.
If you're going to get a Ph.D. (not Ed.D.) eventually, opportunities to beef up your research experience at a top school can't be overlooked. |
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Date: April 5th, 2010 2:06 PM Author: White insanely creepy masturbator what are the top "name-brand" schools in this field (for ed consulting etc) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1265289&forum_id=3#14611483) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 9:16 AM Author: fiercely-loyal talented love of her life Teacher's College (very Sociology oriented), Vanderbilt (lots of solid people), Harvard, Stanford (if you're into the psych end of things esp. family structures). It depends what you're into. If you're looking at an EdD/PhD (at some schools they're interchangeable, at some PhD is researcg and EdD is practical), you need to find a school with similar research interest.
e.g.
Personally, I've never met anyone from TC I liked, but your mileage may vary, their alumni network is great. Obviously not a good fit for me. Maybe you'd like it. Very sociologically/social work oriented.
Whereas, I love the stuff coming out of Stanford (a psych heavy dep't). And lately I've been reading tons of Behavioral stuff from places like St. Cloud that's pretty impressive. It really depends what you're into. |
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Date: May 11th, 2010 6:04 PM Author: White insanely creepy masturbator i actually really like the sociological/anthropological bend and am not into the heavy-handedly practical, policy-oriented, statistics-type stuff. i wonder if i can do ed at all, given that it is the theory that appeals to me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1265289&forum_id=3#14965690) |
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Date: May 11th, 2010 6:19 PM Author: fiercely-loyal talented love of her life Like I said, at the doctoral level ratings are useless. You need to find someone with a similar research interest. Obviously, ours differ.
Read the journals on EBSCO. Find scholars whose works 1) interests you 2) are cited heavily.
Then find out more about the programs they teach at at gradcafe.com |
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Date: May 11th, 2010 6:47 PM Author: White insanely creepy masturbator interesting. i will look into specific faculty members. still: are there journals and programs you recommend for more theory-laden stuff?
thank you, by the way. this is helpful. |
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Date: May 16th, 2010 10:09 AM Author: fiercely-loyal talented love of her life You should really be reading journals ASAP. I really don't know what interests you specifically. It's best to browse for yourself.
Do you have journal access? If you don't, you can probably go to the local uni library or take a class at the local CC and get it. ERIC/EBSCO is the bread and butter of Ed journal databases. It has all the major ones, and some not so major journals. The only other database I use is PsycInfo. That's more on the psych side of things, though. Like I said, I kind of veer towards that side of things. The only other thing I could think of are some of the Rhetoric journals (I'd have to check my notes, though). They're into some interesting stuff on the Ed side of things. I don't think you're into that, but I could be wrong. You said more comp ed on the soc/anthro-ish side of things right?
Off the top of my head, I'd look for journals of stuff with editors from Columbia and/or Chicago. Both strong soc/anthro ed dep't's. Btw, I don't think I mentioned Chicago. Probably another dep't you should look into.
Tell me what area specifically interests you (any particular scholars? Any particular geographic region of Comp Ed?) and maybe I can give you a nudge in the right direction. Like I said, our areas of interest probably differ vastly, but I can probably still point you in the right direction and would be happy to do so.
E-mail me if you prefer. |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 9:04 AM Author: fiercely-loyal talented love of her life Many states are not hiring e.g. NY. Right now there's a freeze on new hires in many fields. They may actually start laying off, so it may not be a good bet in terms of ROI. Check your state.
I have my Master's in Ed (career changer) and I'm working F/T in adult ed right now because of the economy.
I had a position offered to me in the public school district teaching 9th grade ELA that was no longer available after the hiring freeze.
Prestige doesn't matter for an Ed degree. No one cares where you got it from. It won't give you an edge in hiring since the best paying employers are public schools, who pretty much evaluate the same level of degree/credentials equally. So basically, an expensive master's in ed is flushing money down the toilet.
If you live in a state where a Master's Degree is not required for certification, don't bother. If you do, get it some place that's convenient and cheap. Increasingly, many schools offer distance and online options. Unlike law school where this is frowned upon, this has become a popular and desirable option in Ed. |
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Date: May 8th, 2010 9:22 AM Author: arrogant ocher affirmative action http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teachers_College,_Columbia_University Look at the notable alumni in the bottom. You can tell that many of them who are famous aren't necessarily high/middle/elementary school teachers. Like Dr. Ruth (she teaches about penises). HTH |