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Sending BTC/ETH from one Exchange to another is taxable?

I want to get some ICX but it’s not available on Bittrex. Ne...
Racy Clear Church Building
  12/20/17
maybe theoretically. i'd happily bet against the irs figurin...
Free-loading point dingle berry
  12/20/17
I transfer to a desktop wallet in between going to different...
Henna people who are hurt nowag
  12/20/17
How could that be taxable u didn't gain anything
Diverse Know-it-all Pistol Really Tough Guy
  12/20/17
yeah i didnt even read the thread title carefully. no way me...
Free-loading point dingle berry
  12/20/17
Someone said it was, that any time you take out btc or cash ...
Racy Clear Church Building
  12/20/17
no way. first principles of tax law. continuation of your in...
Free-loading point dingle berry
  12/20/17
I don’t know. Is using stock on NYSE to buy stock on Nasdaq ...
Racy Clear Church Building
  12/20/17
Well this are different stocks so they might be. Not sure
Free-loading point dingle berry
  12/20/17
Sure it's taxable, if you want to play by the semi-ambiguous...
seedy tripping garrison
  12/20/17
You think moving your coin from one exchange to another is a...
Free-loading point dingle berry
  12/20/17
No, but that wasn't the question The question is regardin...
seedy tripping garrison
  12/20/17
i remember something in tax law about exchanging like items ...
Racy Clear Church Building
  12/20/17
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seedy tripping garrison
  12/20/17
https://www.coindesk.com/uncle-sams-surprise-tax-reform-impa...
godawful charismatic mad-dog skullcap
  12/20/17
Bitcoin, Cryptocurrency Trades Face New Liability in Tax Bil...
Racy Clear Church Building
  12/20/17
Thanks I am shocked to see that you can currently change ...
seedy tripping garrison
  12/20/17
Yea though If the tax bill actually did away with like kind ...
Racy Clear Church Building
  12/20/17
I think you're right but it will hit shitcoins especially ha...
seedy tripping garrison
  12/20/17
lol kike. fuck u irs.
Flesh kitty
  12/21/17
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soggy hunting ground
  12/21/17


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Date: December 20th, 2017 2:22 PM
Author: Racy Clear Church Building

I want to get some ICX but it’s not available on Bittrex. Need to send BTC/ETH to Binance. That’s taxable? Only alternative is to wire money directly to Binance though that could take days.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3835544&forum_id=7#34967550)



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Date: December 20th, 2017 2:50 PM
Author: Free-loading point dingle berry

maybe theoretically. i'd happily bet against the irs figuring out my tax basis in each of my million crypto-crypto swaps over the last few months though

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3835544&forum_id=7#34967872)



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Date: December 20th, 2017 3:03 PM
Author: Henna people who are hurt nowag

I transfer to a desktop wallet in between going to different exchanges. But I doubt it makes a difference.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3835544&forum_id=7#34968005)



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Date: December 20th, 2017 3:12 PM
Author: Diverse Know-it-all Pistol Really Tough Guy

How could that be taxable u didn't gain anything

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3835544&forum_id=7#34968110)



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Date: December 20th, 2017 3:26 PM
Author: Free-loading point dingle berry

yeah i didnt even read the thread title carefully. no way merely moving to another exchange is taxable

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3835544&forum_id=7#34968239)



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Date: December 20th, 2017 3:29 PM
Author: Racy Clear Church Building

Someone said it was, that any time you take out btc or cash from an exchange it was taxable but I can’t find any information on it including from the IRS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3835544&forum_id=7#34968274)



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Date: December 20th, 2017 3:34 PM
Author: Free-loading point dingle berry

no way. first principles of tax law. continuation of your investment = not taxable. flipping your asset into another asset = taxable event.

what would the tax even be?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3835544&forum_id=7#34968325)



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Date: December 20th, 2017 3:41 PM
Author: Racy Clear Church Building

I don’t know. Is using stock on NYSE to buy stock on Nasdaq taxable? (For equivalent value)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3835544&forum_id=7#34968390)



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Date: December 20th, 2017 3:47 PM
Author: Free-loading point dingle berry

Well this are different stocks so they might be. Not sure

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3835544&forum_id=7#34968442)



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Date: December 20th, 2017 8:35 PM
Author: seedy tripping garrison

Sure it's taxable, if you want to play by the semi-ambiguous rules as we understand them

Your taxable income is the price of the ETH/BTC you are exchanging versus the price you first acquired the ETH/BTC at

If you held the ETH/BTC less than a year, that's ordinary income

Longer than a year, long term capital gains which is 15% plus whatever your state LTCG is

Edit: See the link below, apparently this is not currently taxable but will be on January 1



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3835544&forum_id=7#34970730)



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Date: December 20th, 2017 8:57 PM
Author: Free-loading point dingle berry

You think moving your coin from one exchange to another is a taxable event? What about moving a share of stock from E*TRADE to ameritrade? Or moving your car from one garage to another?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3835544&forum_id=7#34970876)



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Date: December 20th, 2017 9:06 PM
Author: seedy tripping garrison

No, but that wasn't the question

The question is regarding exchanging ETH/BTC for a shitcoin, as I read it

Crypto to crypto is taxable, same as if you used the proceeds from the sale of TSLA to buy NVDA, assuming not in a retirement account

Edit: not taxable apparently, at least for 11 more days

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3835544&forum_id=7#34970973)



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Date: December 20th, 2017 9:46 PM
Author: Racy Clear Church Building

i remember something in tax law about exchanging like items of reasonably equivalent value being nontaxable

if I send 1 BTC from exchange A to exchange B and buy 1 BTC worth of XRP on exchange B I don't think that would be taxable. Likewise if the XRP then appreciated on exchange B and I sold it for 2 BTC on exchange B, then sent those 2 BTC to exchange A, nothing should be taxable. Its all still funny money, nothing realized.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3835544&forum_id=7#34971358)



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Date: December 20th, 2017 10:05 PM
Author: seedy tripping garrison



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3835544&forum_id=7#34971515)



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Date: December 20th, 2017 9:48 PM
Author: godawful charismatic mad-dog skullcap

https://www.coindesk.com/uncle-sams-surprise-tax-reform-impact-crypto-investors/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3835544&forum_id=7#34971385)



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Date: December 20th, 2017 9:56 PM
Author: Racy Clear Church Building

Bitcoin, Cryptocurrency Trades Face New Liability in Tax Bill

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By Michaela Ross - Bloomberg Law

December 20, 2017

The sweeping GOP tax bill includes a provision that would increase tax liabilities for investors looking to exchange bitcoin, ether, and other virtual currencies that have soared in value.The legislation would eliminate the ability of investors to defer taxes when they exchange one virtual currency for another if the original currency has appreciated in price. The impact stems from a provision in the measure that limits tax deferments for so-called like-kind exchanges of property to only include exchanges of real estate property.

The tax shift comes as the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) ramps up investigations of individual tax returns for potential unreported gains from virtual currencies, also called cryptocurrencies or digital assets.

Previously, some tax specialists and virtual currency investors treated any exchange of one virtual currency for another as a like-kind exchange of property that is not taxable under current tax code, Lisa Zarlenga, a tax attorney and partner at Steptoe & Johnson LLP in Washington, told Bloomberg Law. Zarlenga said the tax change from the bill would be more widely felt because of skyrocketing increases in the values of cryptocurrencies like bitcoin. The price of the digital asset has traded as high as $20,000 in December after rising from about $1,000 in value in January 2017, according to the data site coinmarketcap.com.

“For virtual currency, it’s huge,“ Zarlenga said. “Now any exchange of virtual currency for virtual currency will be a taxable event.”The IRS considers virtual currencies to be property subject to capital gains tax rates, according to guidance released by the agency in 2014. It has not issued formal tax guidance on how like-kind property exchanges, detailed under Section 1031 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, apply to cryptocurrencies.

Still, using the tax deferment has been common in the digital asset field, Robert J. Kovacev, a tax attorney and partner at Steptoe & Johnson in Washington, told Bloomberg Law. “If I want to stay invested in cryptocurrencies, I would be able to change from bitcoin to ether and not have to pay tax until the end when I exit the crypto market,” Kovacev said. “Now, that’s not going to be possible.”The bill would affect exchanges of digital assets after Dec. 31, 2017.

IRS Scrutiny

The change will have the most impact on individuals who are looking to maximize their investment by trading different cryptocurrencies for each other, Kovacev said. “Now, I have to calculate what is the price now, what was the price when I bought it,” Kovacev said. “I have to pay capital gains on the difference, even if I’m just buying a different virtual currency.”

The bill would trigger a new emphasis on reporting at a time when the IRS is already increasing its scrutiny of potential tax evasion from cryptocurrency holders, Peter Van Valkenburgh, research director at Coin Center, a blockchain advocacy group, told Bloomberg Law. On Nov. 28, the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California ordered a large San Francisco-based virtual currency exchange, Coinbase Inc., to disclose some account holders to the IRS as part of the agency’s investigation into potential tax fraud. United States v. Coinbase Inc., N.D. Cal., 3:17-cv-01431, 11/28/17

Van Valkenburgh pointed to the need for the IRS to issue tax guidance to virtual currency exchanges to streamline the tax reporting process for customers. Coin Center has supported a bill ( H.R. 3708) introduced by Rep. David Schweikert (R-Ariz.) that aims to do this, although the legislation did not make it into the larger tax bill.

https://biglawbusiness.com/bitcoin-cryptocurrency-trades-face-new-liability-in-tax-bill/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3835544&forum_id=7#34971452)



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Date: December 20th, 2017 10:08 PM
Author: seedy tripping garrison

Thanks

I am shocked to see that you can currently change from ETH to BTC and not have to report any gain on the ETH, even if that is $100k

I thought previous guidance suggested that was a taxable event

I now feel like I've missed out on a ton of gains by being a cuck on this, fuck my ass

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3835544&forum_id=7#34971542)



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Date: December 20th, 2017 10:19 PM
Author: Racy Clear Church Building

Yea though If the tax bill actually did away with like kind exchanges for everything but real estate that’s huge and will hit crypto hard

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3835544&forum_id=7#34971630)



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Date: December 20th, 2017 10:38 PM
Author: seedy tripping garrison

I think you're right but it will hit shitcoins especially hard



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3835544&forum_id=7#34971827)



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Date: December 21st, 2017 3:34 AM
Author: Flesh kitty

lol kike. fuck u irs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3835544&forum_id=7#34973140)



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Date: December 21st, 2017 1:42 PM
Author: soggy hunting ground



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3835544&forum_id=7#34976262)