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Top 10 Reasons not to attend Boalt Hall (Berkeley)
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Date: January 26th, 2005 3:45 AM Author: Mahogany mad-dog skullcap stage yawn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2004699) |
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Date: January 26th, 2005 4:07 AM Author: slate digit ratio This is easy.
1. Ruskie goes there. 2. Boalt admitted Ruskie (157 LSAT). 3. It's a festering TTT in decline- soon 150's will be in. 4. It's not an Ivy. 5. It's PUBLIC. 6. There's lots of hippies there. 7. It will always be Stanford's bitch. 8. Massive budget cuts will make it even more TTT. 9. The building looks like a TTT high school. 10. The name "Boalt" sounds like a weird sexual thing, like fisting a goat in the ass while being sodomized by a transvestite.
I didn't bother applying to this TTT in decline and neither should anyone else (unless you are a TTT student).
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Date: January 26th, 2005 5:23 AM Author: violent masturbator Subject: I agree with all of the above (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2004738) |
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Date: January 26th, 2005 5:10 PM Author: slate digit ratio Boalt took Ruskie, a dumbass with a 157. That is fucking laughable. |
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Date: January 26th, 2005 9:51 AM Author: Turquoise vibrant abode "Dolt Hall" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2004958) |
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Date: January 26th, 2005 9:52 AM Author: Turquoise vibrant abode (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2004960) |
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Date: January 26th, 2005 9:58 AM Author: Peach electric mood parlour did Ruskie used to post here? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2004976) |
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Date: January 26th, 2005 10:04 AM Author: supple cyan rehab really tough guy The dad on the OC went there!
But he also talks in the show about the "four years he spent at Berkeley Law school" |
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Date: January 30th, 2005 11:15 PM Author: Dull Excitant Kitchen Hunting Ground haha... that was classic Sandy Cohen! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2032534) |
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Date: January 26th, 2005 10:15 AM Author: Concupiscible Church Building Pervert the 25% salary for private practice is like 70K or something similarly pathetic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2005021) |
Date: January 26th, 2005 5:24 PM Author: low-t curious range i'm going to bash the fuck out of this rancid TTT in decline ... when I get dinged, which should be any day now
until then: Boalt rulz! |
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Date: January 26th, 2005 6:00 PM Author: hairraiser emerald degenerate business firm They have one of the best faculties among law schools in America. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2007565) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2005 7:24 PM Author: Arrogant Orchestra Pit Codepig Yes, I agree. But the USNWR is blind to such things, so the xoxo crowd therefore is as well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2050671) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2005 7:27 PM Author: Stimulating Domesticated Locus Double Fault Well, truth be told, facuty scholarship does not necessarily equate to better education or more able graduates... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2050676) |
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Date: January 26th, 2005 6:02 PM Author: cordovan wonderful area you didn't get admitted. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2007580) |
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Date: January 26th, 2005 6:04 PM Author: jade box office Dean Edley has got to be near the top. He is the primary reason I didn't apply even though I would strongly prefer to be in California for the next 3 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2007586) |
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Date: January 26th, 2005 6:08 PM Author: sickened pearly lodge knife Subject: edley that guy is an obnoxious jackass ... more known as a vapid sloganeer than as the policy wonk he makes himself out to be. his effete mannerisms deserve ridicule too, though that might be slightly unfair (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2007608) |
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Date: January 30th, 2005 3:22 PM Author: adventurous senate Subject: boalt also rigged last year's law review write-on competition lots of students are mad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2028546) |
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Date: January 30th, 2005 3:24 PM Author: abusive famous landscape painting Explain. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2028552) |
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Date: January 30th, 2005 3:56 PM Author: adventurous senate everyone who took the "conservative" side in their casenote was rejected. the "little plan" was basically a backdoor form of AA. unsurprisingly, they still didn't get any blacks (although they probably did get more hispanics than would have made it otherwise). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2028697) |
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Date: January 30th, 2005 4:07 PM Author: Laughsome station Seriously? What a joke. Then agian these were the same lovers of academic free speech who wanted to fire Dr. Yoo because of his position on the Guantanomo Bay prisoners. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2028755) |
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Date: January 30th, 2005 4:23 PM Author: adventurous senate Yep..in retrospect, I feel remarkably stupid for neglecting to consider the possibility that this could happen when I wrote the note. I mean, come on--it is Berkeley afterall! What the heck was I thinking when I actually believed the instructions that specifically stated that scores would be based on the quality of the analysis?
The fact that someone would actually mess with the process so drastically seems so outrageous. That's precisely why it worked. What's sad is that plenty of "low" quality submissions were accepted--I know people on LR who admit that they wrote awful notes.
Oh well. Just another reason NOT to attend this shithole... |
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Date: January 30th, 2005 9:26 PM Author: Clear native selfie (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2031277) |
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Date: January 30th, 2005 10:49 PM Author: adventurous senate 1. I never jumped to any conclusions--there's ample support for my claim. This isn't just a rant, but rather a fairly well-informed observation. I'm pefectly okay with providing you with more info as per your request, but I'd rather not do so on this board.
2. That a more conservative faculty member helped prepare the materials and that CLR is "full of conservatives" doesn't foreclose the possibility of grading irregularities. In fact, my information has even been corroborated by a conservative on CLR. |
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Date: January 30th, 2005 11:14 PM Author: adventurous senate PS- Yup--it definitely sounds nuts. I couldn't(and didn't want to) believe it at first. No offense taken though; the fact that it seems so crazy completely justifies your reaction. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2032518) |
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Date: January 30th, 2005 11:44 PM Author: Clear native selfie (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2032810) |
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Date: January 30th, 2005 11:45 PM Author: adventurous senate sure thing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2032821) |
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Date: January 30th, 2005 9:45 PM Author: Onyx rebellious heaven roommate Way to make it obvious that you're just a bitter failure of a conservative.
"I know people on LR who admit that they wrote awful notes"
And I heartell that some people get A's on exams they "admit" doing a terrible job on. Clearly another liberal conspiracy. |
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Date: January 30th, 2005 5:41 PM Author: Deep becky crackhouse Did that make it on any blogs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2029498) |
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Date: January 30th, 2005 6:07 PM Author: adventurous senate I don't have a blog, and I haven't submitted the information to any bloggers as of yet. I did a quick google search to find out whether or not anyone else has mentioned it, but I didn't find anything. I think that most of the people who know about the fiasco have remained silent. Many other students are totally in the dark.
That said, I'd be thrilled if any bloggers out there would be interested in helping spread the word. It really is a shame that California Law Review got away with this. Some publicity would at least increase awareness. |
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Date: January 30th, 2005 10:52 PM Author: Nighttime office idea he suggested boohoo. FSU's law review is run by christian conservatives and the writeon competition was on the establishment clause. shit happens. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2032267) |
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Date: January 30th, 2005 3:46 PM Author: charismatic internal respiration menage Subject: RuskieGirl's 1L Grades? Anyone know RuskieGirl's 1L grades? If she did poorly, then making fun of her LSAT score is arguably relevant. If she did well, then her LSAT is irrelevant and she's proved it wasn't a good indicator of her ability.
Seriously, anyone see her post grades? If not, her lsat score is immaterial |
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Date: January 30th, 2005 3:55 PM Author: Azure racy trump supporter french chef Boalt is P/F so her grades probably don't mean anything. Unless, of course, she got F's, but thats pretty unlikely, I think. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2028690) |
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Date: January 30th, 2005 4:30 PM Author: charismatic internal respiration menage Subject: didn't know Ahhhh ... ok - didn't know that about Boalt. Never mind then. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2028929) |
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Date: January 30th, 2005 9:27 PM Author: Clear native selfie Boalt is not P/F. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2031281) |
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Date: January 30th, 2005 10:10 PM Author: Azure racy trump supporter french chef really? I think I read on the board that it was somewhere before, but then again nothing on this board is probably accurate. Is Boalt graded on a traditional 4.0 scale? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2031740) |
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Date: January 30th, 2005 10:59 PM Author: Alcoholic maroon voyeur location I think it's Pass, Honors, and High Honors. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2032350) |
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Date: January 30th, 2005 11:19 PM Author: adventurous senate correct (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2032568) |
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Date: January 30th, 2005 10:58 PM Author: Snowy school gaming laptop Yeah, it is. http://www.law.berkeley.edu/resources/foremployers/grading.html (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2032338) |
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Date: January 30th, 2005 11:39 PM Author: Clear native selfie Just because one of the grades one can get is called "pass" doesn't mean that it's a "pass/fail grading system" the way people think of it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2032760) |
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Date: January 30th, 2005 11:42 PM Author: adventurous senate Correct. One can get a HH, H, or P. These are "grades" used to differentiate among students (they're just not in A, B, C form). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2032796) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2005 6:37 PM Author: Stimulating Domesticated Locus Double Fault "In first-year classes, the curve for honors grades is strict — the top 40 percent of the class receives honors grades, with 10 percent of the class receiving High Honors and the next 30 percent receiving Honors"
Yes, only the top 40% of the class gets Honors. That's quite strict indeed. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2005 6:54 PM Author: Alcoholic maroon voyeur location Think of it the other way: 60% of the class gets the lowest possible grade in each class. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2050488) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2005 6:55 PM Author: adventurous senate Right. Someone can be in the top half of every class and still end up with straight P's. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2050498) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2005 6:58 PM Author: Stimulating Domesticated Locus Double Fault Well, that's kind of like saying, 50% of the students at school X fall below the median. It doesn't really matter at that point.
And it also saves the people who would be at the bottom... |
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Date: February 2nd, 2005 7:03 PM Author: adventurous senate I disagree. There's arguably a great deal of a difference between a student scoring in the 59th percentile of each class and a student practically bombing every exam.
Yes, the curve does benefit those at the bottom. That's its advantage. However, their benefit comes at other students' expense. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2005 7:07 PM Author: Stimulating Domesticated Locus Double Fault The whole system is retarded. But if you get a B or a B-, it's still not a good grade... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2050581) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2005 7:11 PM Author: adventurous senate Yeah, lots of arbitrariness involved. The people at the top and the bottom benefit, while those in the middle kind of get screwed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2050608) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2005 7:19 PM Author: Stimulating Domesticated Locus Double Fault Well, arguably it is those at the near-top who get screwed most, while those at the near-middle and the bottom make out like bandits. The guy who would have been at the 40% mark gets the same grade as the guy who would have been at the 11% mark. Basically, there is no A-/B+ distinction. this is great for those students who are slightly above average, but not really that great (and of course, absolutely terrible for those who are excellent but not quite the best).
Those in the middle don't quite get screwed as badly, since the middle is never really good anyway. But the bottom students are saved the embarrassment of being at the bottom. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2005 7:29 PM Author: adventurous senate In practice, though, complaints about only getting an H are so rare. The person at 11% doesn't need any sympahthy.
The curve effectively eliminates "the middle." The 59th percentile gets the same P as the lowest score in the class. There might actually be a great difference in quality between those two exams. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2005 7:32 PM Author: Stimulating Domesticated Locus Double Fault Perhaps, but neither can be considered 'good' exams. Nobody really cares about the differences among the bottom students. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2050699) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2005 7:34 PM Author: adventurous senate That's assuming that someone in the 59th percentile is at the bottom. Many would disagree.
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Date: January 30th, 2005 4:21 PM Author: Snowy school gaming laptop Spoken like a true low lsat scorer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2028869) |
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Date: January 30th, 2005 4:32 PM Author: charismatic internal respiration menage Subject: Yep - i know Yep, my LSAT sucks. It's lame - i know. Fortunately, i'll be going to a school that actually gives real grades. So, i'll definitely be able to see how I stack up. we'll see ... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2028944) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2005 1:28 AM Author: soul-stirring international law enforcement agency She got all P's. Nothing to brag about. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2046286) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2005 2:24 AM Author: diverse jap And how do you presume to know the grades I did not share with anyone at the school? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2046571) |
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Date: January 30th, 2005 4:34 PM Author: Pungent sex offender dont forget all the girls who dont shave....yuck... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2028956) |
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Date: January 30th, 2005 9:28 PM Author: Carnelian Point Indeed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2031292) |
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Date: January 31st, 2005 4:38 AM Author: soul-stirring international law enforcement agency Subject: The true top 10 reasons 10) Liberal professors
9) Callous administraion. I am talking about the main university admin. The Boalt admin is actually nice and efficient. But yeah... this is a typical state run bureucracy. Get ready to run around a lot to get housing, parking, etc.
8) Going to classes with the homeless. Thats right folks, they are living inside the building now.
7) The grading system here is crazy. The top 10% in a class get High Honors(HH). THe next 30% get Honors(H). And the rest 60% get Pass (P). So unless you are good, there is no way to distinguish yourself from the total dumbasses who would have gotten Ds had there been a regular grading system.
6) Very very liberal student body. Yes I know this is Berkeley. And I know that you know this is Berkeley. But seriously, these guys are crazy to point that its funny. Militantly liberal. Completely unwilling to listen to another view point. All student organisations are basically public interest organisations. There are like 3 republicans at Boalt.
5) Good news - there are more girls than guys. Bad news - most are deformed in some way or the other. The ones that are not deformed, know it. There is hardly any school sponsored interaction with the other programs. No socials with biz school etc. Unless you make the effort, you are stuck with the ugly law school broads.
4) Bad value. Instate tuition is now 21 grand. And the out-of-state is comparable to private ivies. Why attend a TTT state school when you can attend Penn for the same price.
3) Berkeley is a crap hole. The city is dirty, smelly, run over by the homeless and the retarded, and gone to dogs. I wonder where all the money from my parking tickets is going - probably to feed those stinking homeless. The bus drivers are rude ass bitches. Seriously, this city does not have the intellectual feel that you'd expect from a place having such a well known institution. The cost of living and local taxes are high. Visit before you enroll.
2) This school is in dire need of money. Please please visit before you enroll at Boalt. Come see the facilities. Come see the building. And you'll see what I am saying. Decrepit.
1) Ranked 13th and going down. Boalt refuses to play the ranking game and it is showing. If you want to go to a top-25, come to Boalt because that is where its going to be when you graduate. If you want to go to a top-14, go elsewhere. Heck, UCLA might be a better bet. The other day I met a girl (dumb as a rock) whose LSAT score was 153 or some shit like that.
Boalt 1L
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Date: January 31st, 2005 4:49 AM Author: Opaque Confused Parlor I think you hit every point. Great post. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2033884) |
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Date: January 31st, 2005 6:59 AM Author: Clear native selfie "10) Liberal professors"
Classically liberal, maybe.
"8) Going to classes with the homeless. Thats right folks, they are living inside the building now."
Dude, those aren't the homeless ... they're members of the ecology journal.
"7) ... there is no way to distinguish yourself from the total dumbasses who would have gotten Ds had there been a regular grading system."
If you can't manage to consistently land in the top 40%, I don't think you should be talking about other people being "dumbasses."
"6) Very very liberal student body. ... There are like 3 republicans at Boalt."
The student body is not that much more liberal, if at all, than you'd find at other law schools. Also see my response to #10.
"5) Good news - there are more girls than guys. Bad news - most are deformed in some way or the other. ..."
Well, I'll give you that. But to put it in proper context, I have to point out that the males at Boalt are also horrendously unattractive, probably worse than the females. I'd guess that you're no looker yourself, brother.
"4) Bad value. Instate tuition is now 21 grand. And the out-of-state is comparable to private ivies. Why attend a TTT state school when you can attend Penn for the same price."
I do wish that people who'd rather stay on the east coast, stay on the east coast. This is my biggest grievance with Boalt's "high GPA/low LSAT" admissions scheme -- not only do the rest of us have to deal with dumbasses, we have to deal with dumbasses from the east coast who bombed the LSAT and got into Boalt by writing about their lifelong fascination with indigenous cultures and how they backpacked through South America after graduating from Brown or some shit.
"3) Berkeley is a crap hole. ..."
Dude, this place rocks. If you're afraid to go outside, no wonder you're not meeting any girls.
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Date: January 31st, 2005 7:01 AM Author: hyperventilating theater turdskin You have a lot of school pride. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2033921) |
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Date: January 31st, 2005 7:04 AM Author: Clear native selfie (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2033923) |
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Date: January 31st, 2005 1:35 PM Author: Glittery whorehouse Subject: unattractive girls? when I visited this fall, I got full-on sprung by all the "earthy" girls -- not to mention the tight asian undergrads passing by ... BOING (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2034971) |
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Date: January 31st, 2005 3:56 PM Author: swashbuckling messiness therapy 4) "Bad value. Instate tuition is now 21 grand. And the out-of-state is comparable to private ivies. Why attend a TTT state school when you can attend Penn for the same price."
Because you can't get into Penn with a 140 LSAT. |
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Date: January 31st, 2005 6:55 PM Author: slate digit ratio 180. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2037016) |
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Date: January 31st, 2005 4:20 PM Author: Sapphire shrine community account Excellent PSA. Boalt is the textbook case of a TTT in decline. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=128611&forum_id=2#2036001) |
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Date: January 31st, 2005 6:57 PM Author: slate digit ratio "The other day I met a girl (dumb as a rock) whose LSAT score was 153 or some shit like that."
Was her name RuskieGirl? |