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So we had a Q & A with Scalia today, and someone asked t...
Scalito
  04/12/05
You go to NYU? What year are you?
h4ck3d 4cc0unt
  04/12/05
2L
Scalito
  04/12/05
see below http://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=16449...
Marty Lipton
  04/12/05
you're kidding, right? If not, I have to applaud someone for...
stepfordboy
  04/12/05
Cojones? How about the disrespect for the justice, their cl...
Scalito
  04/12/05
I agree completely. All I meant is that it takes "somet...
stepfordboy
  04/12/05
...
Scalito
  04/12/05
So, any idea what Revesz is going to do? I'm curious if he'l...
stepfordboy
  04/12/05
Given his stance on the issue, I think it was an acceptable ...
Eric Berndt
  04/12/05
Do you even know what his stance is? Liberals need to figure...
OralAdvocate
  04/12/05
well said
sepula
  04/12/05
The language he used reeked of homophobia. The opinion conta...
Hanna
  04/12/05
there is a lot of gray area between believing sodomy laws ar...
I only jerk off to ex girlfriends
  04/12/05
Yep, and he's not anywhere in the gray area. He expressed a ...
Hanna
  04/12/05
I remember that he was pretty nuts in Romer.
Eric Berndt
  04/12/05
i dont see contempt so much as acknowledgment that there are...
I only jerk off to ex girlfriends
  04/12/05
You sound like you want to rim Scalia.
Eric Berndt
  04/12/05
And you're just pissed because he wont rewrite the Constitut...
OralAdvocate
  04/12/05
Nope. The guy is a rightwing nutjob on the issues, just lik...
Eric Berndt
  04/12/05
Scalia thinks that the SCOTUS should not involve itself in p...
OralAdvocate
  04/12/05
here's the problem...
jmg60089
  04/13/05
A (One of his kids is a priest...)
TortuousConduct
  04/13/05
You read too much into that. While it is true that he wasnt...
OralAdvocate
  04/12/05
What difference does it make what his personal opinion is? ...
OralAdvocate
  04/12/05
You need to read the opinion.
Eric Berndt
  04/12/05
He could have said nothing negative about gays or the agenda...
OralAdvocate
  04/12/05
Please re-read Hanna's comment. Maybe that'll help you out,...
Eric Berndt
  04/12/05
Yet another substantive response... amazing.
.... ... ....,..... ... .... ...,... ...
  04/12/05
Yeah, his persuasiveness is impressive. I wonder how this g...
OralAdvocate
  04/12/05
To be fair, Scalia doesn't like/hates gays. But his reasoni...
fshek
  04/12/05
The guy claims that there's a country consensus on executing...
Eric Berndt
  04/12/05
I won't talk about "apart from the fag issue" righ...
fshek
  04/12/05
no he said there is a consensus in the states inwhich juveni...
I only jerk off to ex girlfriends
  04/12/05
Have you EVER studied the Eighth Amendment?
Eric Berndt
  04/12/05
Have you ever studied anything?
OralAdvocate
  04/12/05
8A death penalty/cruel punishment issues focus on a "na...
Eric Berndt
  04/12/05
yes, just a month ago. evolving standards of decency. ...
I only jerk off to ex girlfriends
  04/12/05
Scalia didn't want the majority to consider non-DP states wh...
Eric Berndt
  04/12/05
yes, but its not mandated that evolving standards of decency...
I only jerk off to ex girlfriends
  04/12/05
Do you honestly think the 8A is a "state" issue?
Eric Berndt
  04/12/05
when looking towards definitions of cruel and usual, I dont ...
I only jerk off to ex girlfriends
  04/12/05
Wouldn't looking at the entire nation paint a clearer pictur...
Eric Berndt
  04/12/05
clearer issue of what? which is the community standards of ...
I only jerk off to ex girlfriends
  04/12/05
The magnitude of the death penalty and its implications (i.e...
Eric Berndt
  04/12/05
well thats a whole other issue of federalism. How about a...
I only jerk off to ex girlfriends
  04/12/05
Are lands beyond those borders governed by the federal const...
Eric Berndt
  04/12/05
No offense, but you seem completely ignorant of Scalia's rea...
Scalito
  04/12/05
Like I said, you care only about his result.
OralAdvocate
  04/12/05
Well, I care for a few reasons. A. Because I believe that...
Hanna
  04/12/05
A. So maybe we should let you call all the shots, screw the ...
OralAdvocate
  04/12/05
hamdi may also have been opposed to his political position
sepula
  04/12/05
and apprendi/blakely/booker as well.
RangerRick
  04/12/05
I suspect it wasn't. He's no fan of Executive power grabs.
Alec
  04/13/05
A. 'Scuse me -- do you want to point out where I said he sho...
Hanna
  04/12/05
"I'm waiting for him and his acolytes to come to a &quo...
OralAdvocate
  04/12/05
I don't think that he believes that laws against flag burnin...
Hanna
  04/12/05
dp?
OralAdvocate
  04/12/05
Double post -- I'm having tech issues.
Hanna
  04/12/05
You are right, but I think Scalia is probably the one judge ...
OralAdvocate
  04/12/05
Actually, I'd agree with you if it weren't for Bush v. Gore....
Hanna
  04/12/05
I havent read this opinion yet, and I am kinda scared to... ...
OralAdvocate
  04/12/05
he pretty much said today that he thinks laws against flag b...
sepula
  04/12/05
He explicitly said that he doesn't care if gays want to purs...
Macanudo
  04/12/05
It's a term used _exclusively_ in a negative -- usually cont...
Hanna
  04/12/05
You're giving it that connotation b/c you hate the people wh...
Macanudo
  04/12/05
I'M giving it that connotation? I control the language us...
Hanna
  04/12/05
It's funny that you claim that 300 million Americans use it ...
Macanudo
  04/12/05
OK, I'll broaden the challenge. Find its non-ironic use to d...
Hanna
  04/12/05
This isn't even a true statement. Most of the "agenda&...
fulano
  04/13/05
its like Scalia thinks that homosexuals are some fictional g...
Joisey
  04/12/05
The majority and Scalia agreed insofar that both thought min...
fshek
  04/12/05
youre right. but my point was that he made his policy prefs...
Joisey
  04/12/05
he talked about choice in the context of conduct, not having...
sepula
  04/12/05
Right. It's fine to be gay as long as you never do anything ...
Hanna
  04/12/05
I think it's abundantly clear that Scalia doesn't like gays....
fshek
  04/12/05
that's not exactly fair to the view that homosexual conduct ...
sepula
  04/12/05
>the majority is allowed to express its views of immorali...
Hanna
  04/12/05
'Sure. And I'm allowed to call them out as the moral equals ...
sepula
  04/12/05
'I think its more about 30 years. but fair enough, there cer...
Joisey
  04/12/05
are you suggesting that polygamously-oriented people are som...
sepula
  04/12/05
I hope you're not suggesting that referring to the "hom...
Folper
  04/14/05
"Liberals need to figure out that Scalia doesn't base h...
sometit
  04/12/05
yes, Roe is law, but it isn't the Constitution itself. ther...
sepula
  04/12/05
180.
OralAdvocate
  04/12/05
I think "pwn3d" is more appropriate.
sometit
  04/12/05
you're admitting you were "pwn3d"?
sepula
  04/12/05
i'm practicing to be a trophy wife.
sometit
  04/12/05
ahh yes, now i remember why i liked you again. i still have...
sepula
  04/12/05
http://tinypic.com/4g6jrc
sometit
  04/12/05
aren't you taken? kent or something?
sepula
  04/12/05
ken has no penis, so he doesn't mind if i fuck around.
sometit
  04/12/05
you're wonderful
sepula
  04/12/05
that's what ken says, too!
sometit
  04/12/05
i'm sorry, but if we're going to be together it has to be ex...
sepula
  04/12/05
I think I should wait for the results of my lawyers' due dil...
sometit
  04/12/05
i'm sorry, but i can't have "sometit," only the wh...
sepula
  04/12/05
ahahaha - awesome. But until I get my boob job, I'm afra...
sometit
  04/12/05
that's ok, i like medium sized boobs. off to bed for me.
sepula
  04/12/05
You're a doll.
fshek
  04/12/05
WTF?
OralAdvocate
  04/12/05
?
sepula
  04/12/05
Saying that not believing in a right to privacy is ignoring ...
I only jerk off to ex girlfriends
  04/12/05
I dont recall the majority relying on Roe.
OralAdvocate
  04/12/05
WWSD?
robsanpedro
  12/06/06
don't bump in the middle of an old thread retard
davidbowiefan
  12/06/06
i was appalled but it looks like it happens all the time ...
jacqueblackk
  04/12/05
join the long-ass discussion: http://autoadmit.com/thread.p...
Marty Lipton
  04/12/05
Can someone reveal the name? Obviously it will come out soo...
geronimo
  04/12/05
Someone outed the guy already, apparantly.
h4ck3d 4cc0unt
  04/12/05
...
Negligence
  04/12/05
Welcome to five hours ago.
WBA
  04/12/05
"Welcome to [some time ago]" is the gayest, most a...
Jake McGraw
  04/12/05
Welcome to two minutes ago
Calm
  04/12/05
Hey, if you hold yourself out as a breaking news outlet, you...
WBA
  04/12/05
Yes, and "fag" is a much more mature response.
New Jack
  04/12/05
Sounds like the gay kid PWN3D Scalia. Hahaha.
""""
  04/12/05
SO what happened after he asked? Did everyone's jaw drop? WH...
..,..,....,..,,,........,.,..,,...,..
  04/12/05
there was an audible gasp, scalia said nothing, barkow told ...
sepula
  04/12/05
I just read Earl's post. Wow. What a useless ass dumpster. D...
..,..,....,..,,,........,.,..,,...,..
  04/12/05
Sad, but true.
.... ... ....,..... ... .... ...,... ...
  04/12/05
Why do you say things like this, Arrow?
M.I.T.T.E.N.S.
  04/14/05
Hitler makes me hate white people.
miclife
  04/12/05
He certainly wasn't speaking for all of us.
Alec
  04/13/05
I guess he really wanted to know. I wouldn't.
not
  04/12/05
It could have been worse...
not
  04/12/05
Eh, that wouldn't have much punch addressing Scalia. I'm sur...
Hanna
  04/12/05
Hanna - where you go to school? Not to sound like an idiot,...
IntelektualBully
  04/14/05
she doesn't. she has HLS on her diploma and works
Contraxuwall
  04/14/05
BUMP
is
  09/26/05


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Date: April 12th, 2005 8:58 PM
Author: Scalito

So we had a Q & A with Scalia today, and someone asked the Justice whether he sodomizes his wife. Very classy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2545330)





Date: April 12th, 2005 8:59 PM
Author: h4ck3d 4cc0unt (Scalia@gmail.com)

You go to NYU? What year are you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2545335)





Date: April 12th, 2005 9:00 PM
Author: Scalito

2L

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2545351)





Date: April 12th, 2005 9:02 PM
Author: Marty Lipton

see below

http://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164493&mc=172&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2545365)





Date: April 12th, 2005 9:00 PM
Author: stepfordboy

you're kidding, right? If not, I have to applaud someone for having the cojones to ask that question. it's actually not a bad one, given his dissents in Romer and Lawrence. What happened after the question?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2545349)





Date: April 12th, 2005 9:03 PM
Author: Scalito

Cojones? How about the disrespect for the justice, their classmates, their law school, their dean who's sitting right next to him, etc? It's possible to ask a question about the privacy interests at stake in Lawrence without being offensive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2545375)





Date: April 12th, 2005 9:08 PM
Author: stepfordboy

I agree completely. All I meant is that it takes "something" to be able to ask what is an inappropriate means of getting at privacy/liberty interests to a justice, knowing full well that you'll face incredible social opprobrium as a result. Sorry if the blasé "cojones" put you off... maybe I should have said it takes a complete moron?

anyway, what was the fallout?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2545411)





Date: April 12th, 2005 9:11 PM
Author: Scalito



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2545435)





Date: April 12th, 2005 9:35 PM
Author: stepfordboy

So, any idea what Revesz is going to do? I'm curious if he'll address it on Friday at the admits day (I'll be attending).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2545634)





Date: April 12th, 2005 9:00 PM
Author: Eric Berndt (Quote: "Is this picture really Rowan? This must be photoshop.")

Given his stance on the issue, I think it was an acceptable question.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2545352)





Date: April 12th, 2005 9:09 PM
Author: OralAdvocate

Do you even know what his stance is? Liberals need to figure out that Scalia doesn't base his opinions on a desired result. His opinion in Lawrence was not an attack on gays. It was an attack on the judiciary's practice of telling the majority (i.e. the legislature) that it cant legislate in an area where there is no constitutional prohibition against legislating.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2545417)





Date: April 12th, 2005 9:14 PM
Author: sepula

well said

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2545464)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:11 PM
Author: Hanna

The language he used reeked of homophobia. The opinion contained BOTH a critique of the majority's placing a restriction on the legislature that he viewed as untextual AND scathing insults about the motivation underlying that action.

If Scalia believed that sodomy laws and bans on gay marriage are horrifying examples of state-sponsored discimination -- but Constitutional -- he would have voted the same way, but it would have been a very different opinion. I'm sorry, you just don't refer to the "homosexual agenda" and recite the litany of horrors it's trying to visit on the nation if you believe that gay relationships are valuable and deserve respect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2545952)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:14 PM
Author: I only jerk off to ex girlfriends

there is a lot of gray area between believing sodomy laws are a horrifying example of discrimination, and being a horrible homophobic bigot.

He tried to explain his comment today by saying that he believed the court should not be caught up in the homosexual rights movement when dealing with an issue that is not protected by the constitution (in his view) and is still a matter of great conflict in this country and its legislators.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2545986)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:16 PM
Author: Hanna

Yep, and he's not anywhere in the gray area. He expressed a great deal of contempt for the whole concept of gay rights.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546000)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:18 PM
Author: Eric Berndt (Quote: "Is this picture really Rowan? This must be photoshop.")

I remember that he was pretty nuts in Romer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546011)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:20 PM
Author: I only jerk off to ex girlfriends

i dont see contempt so much as acknowledgment that there are no such things as rights that have not been granted by a sovereign, and this sovereign has not granted gays any special rights.

He stated clearly today that he would support gay rights protections passed by the legislature.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546027)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:23 PM
Author: Eric Berndt (Quote: "Is this picture really Rowan? This must be photoshop.")

You sound like you want to rim Scalia.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546052)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:28 PM
Author: OralAdvocate

And you're just pissed because he wont rewrite the Constitution to fit your version of what is right.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546117)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:32 PM
Author: Eric Berndt (Quote: "Is this picture really Rowan? This must be photoshop.")

Nope. The guy is a rightwing nutjob on the issues, just like Jebus Bush.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546140)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:36 PM
Author: OralAdvocate

Scalia thinks that the SCOTUS should not involve itself in political issues. Radical.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546211)





Date: April 13th, 2005 11:07 AM
Author: jmg60089
Subject: here's the problem...

Scalia and his supporters always defend his holdings (or dissents) that attack reading unenumerated rights into the Constitution. The problem is that Scalia is a textualist (or originalist, whatever terminology you want to use) in a society that is constantly changing and demanding of laws that can evolve as well. Frankly, I thnk he's a bit lazy in this regard.

So, yes, he argues that he's all for gay rights, but that since the Constitution does not say that the fed.gov. can regulate such rights, such decisions must be left to the states. But since the evolution of 14th Amendment jurisprudence, in which the court recognized that several states will discriminate...uh...indiscriminately, we can't simply fall back on what is or is not in the clear text of the Constitution. The textualist ship, as it were, has sailed.

The term "liberty," and the underlying concept of "privacy," necessarily need to be malleable. He doesn't believe this to be the case, which I really believe is a proxy for his anti-gay stance. It's a way for him to espouse conservative, religious views against homosexuality without taking too much heat.

He should not have been asked whether or not he sodomizes his wife. Rather, he should have been asked how he'd feel about Lawrence if one of his kids was gay.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2549189)





Date: April 13th, 2005 5:39 PM
Author: TortuousConduct (YeahIKnow)

A

(One of his kids is a priest...)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2551604)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:24 PM
Author: OralAdvocate

You read too much into that. While it is true that he wasnt exactly as supportive as he could have been, he certainly wasnt advocating against any legislative recognition of gay rights.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546073)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:21 PM
Author: OralAdvocate

What difference does it make what his personal opinion is? His dissent tore the majority opinion apart. You can criticize him as a person for his personal beliefs, but as a judge, he did a far better job with that case than any of the judges who sided with the majority. People need to separate the LAW and PERSONAL OPINION.

As far as the homosexual agenda issue, i believe that his point is that the minority cannot use the judiciary to legislate. If the minority doesn't like the fact that they have been singled out, well, too bad.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546042)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:24 PM
Author: Eric Berndt (Quote: "Is this picture really Rowan? This must be photoshop.")

You need to read the opinion.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546072)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:27 PM
Author: OralAdvocate

He could have said nothing negative about gays or the agenda, etc, and you would still be here bashing him as a judge. Who cares about the reasoning, the outcome wasnt what i wanted!!!!

This type of thinking is identical to the way conservatives have taken to bashing the judiciary over the Schavio case.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546099)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:29 PM
Author: Eric Berndt (Quote: "Is this picture really Rowan? This must be photoshop.")

Please re-read Hanna's comment. Maybe that'll help you out, sport.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546125)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:31 PM
Author: .... ... ....,..... ... .... ...,... ...

Yet another substantive response... amazing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546134)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:38 PM
Author: OralAdvocate

Yeah, his persuasiveness is impressive. I wonder how this goes over when he gets called on in class?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546233)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:32 PM
Author: fshek

To be fair, Scalia doesn't like/hates gays. But his reasoning in the above cases was completely defensible.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546143)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:33 PM
Author: Eric Berndt (Quote: "Is this picture really Rowan? This must be photoshop.")

The guy claims that there's a country consensus on executing juveniles. He's delusional apart from the fag issue.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546170)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:36 PM
Author: fshek

I won't talk about "apart from the fag issue" right now. But his reasoning, even if it came from a delusional mind, was defensible.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546207)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:36 PM
Author: I only jerk off to ex girlfriends

no he said there is a consensus in the states inwhich juveniles were executed, as is demonstrated by the legislative process which allowed execution of juveniles.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546208)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:38 PM
Author: Eric Berndt (Quote: "Is this picture really Rowan? This must be photoshop.")

Have you EVER studied the Eighth Amendment?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546235)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:41 PM
Author: OralAdvocate

Have you ever studied anything?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546267)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:42 PM
Author: Eric Berndt (Quote: "Is this picture really Rowan? This must be photoshop.")

8A death penalty/cruel punishment issues focus on a "national consensus" not a consensus within a single state.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546279)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:41 PM
Author: I only jerk off to ex girlfriends

yes, just a month ago.

evolving standards of decency.

the disagreement is whose standards we should count. the majority felt the court could impose its own standards, scalia felt that the legislatures best represent the standards of the states.

neither view is radical or indefensible.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546274)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:44 PM
Author: Eric Berndt (Quote: "Is this picture really Rowan? This must be photoshop.")

Scalia didn't want the majority to consider non-DP states when determining a consensus.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546310)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:51 PM
Author: I only jerk off to ex girlfriends

yes, but its not mandated that evolving standards of decency involve a national or international consensus.

its not dishonest to think that state legislatures are the best to know the standards of their community, whether or not you agree.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546382)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:54 PM
Author: Eric Berndt (Quote: "Is this picture really Rowan? This must be photoshop.")

Do you honestly think the 8A is a "state" issue?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546419)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:57 PM
Author: I only jerk off to ex girlfriends

when looking towards definitions of cruel and usual, I dont see why not.

Like I said, it can go either way, but neither choice is ridiculous.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546448)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:05 PM
Author: Eric Berndt ("Note that Scalia did not deny fucking his wife in the ass!")

Wouldn't looking at the entire nation paint a clearer picture of the issue?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546552)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:07 PM
Author: I only jerk off to ex girlfriends

clearer issue of what? which is the community standards of the US, of the world, or of Alabama?

there is no clear scale for community standard, and so its left up to the interpretation. Federalists prefer to let the states interpret more than the federal gov.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546577)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:10 PM
Author: Eric Berndt ("Note that Scalia did not deny fucking his wife in the ass!")

The magnitude of the death penalty and its implications (i.e. ending a U.S. citizen's life) is an issue that goes beyond artificial state borders.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546625)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:16 PM
Author: I only jerk off to ex girlfriends

well thats a whole other issue of federalism.

How about artificial national borders?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546712)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:17 PM
Author: Eric Berndt ("Note that Scalia did not deny fucking his wife in the ass!")

Are lands beyond those borders governed by the federal constitution? A single ban on cruel/unusual punishment applies to all states. Examining the nation as a whole in making the uniform cruel/unusual determination is incredibly reasonable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546735)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:48 PM
Author: Scalito

No offense, but you seem completely ignorant of Scalia's reasoning in Roper. The whole point is that he rejects the "evolving standards of decency framework." The rest was just surplusage. He would read the Eighth Amendment to cover punishments recognized as cruel and unusual at the time of the ratification of the Eighth Amendment. He thinks the whole Trop V. Dulles standard is terrible. You're welcome to disagree witrh him (i do), but at least try to understand what his argument it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2547004)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:32 PM
Author: OralAdvocate

Like I said, you care only about his result.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546149)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:46 PM
Author: Hanna

Well, I care for a few reasons.

A. Because I believe that homophobes are the moral equivalent of racists, and I care that someone in a great position of power over me has morals I don't respect.

B. Because I doubly care about that when the someone in power is the darling of the supposed moralists in the country.

C. Because I don't buy this bullshit about how textualists ignore results for a second, and I'm waiting for him and his acolytes to come to a "textualist" position opposed to what I perceive to be his political position.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546337)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:51 PM
Author: OralAdvocate

A. So maybe we should let you call all the shots, screw the constitution and democracy, Empress Hanna!!!

B. So someone is bad because you dissagree with people who support him. This is horrible logic coming from a smart person.

C. So you think Scalia likes flag burning? He in fact said he thought it was disgusting, but yet he voted that the 1st Amendment protected it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546390)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:54 PM
Author: sepula

hamdi may also have been opposed to his political position

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546412)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:02 PM
Author: RangerRick

and apprendi/blakely/booker as well.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546514)





Date: April 13th, 2005 1:05 AM
Author: Alec

I suspect it wasn't. He's no fan of Executive power grabs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2547741)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:01 PM
Author: Hanna

A. 'Scuse me -- do you want to point out where I said he should be impeached because he disagrees with me? I guess only empresses are allowed to have opinions about public figures and whether they are worthy of respect.

B. No, the problem here is not my disagreement with said "moralists," it's their hypocrisy.

C. I don't think he really cares about flag burning on any deep level, because it isn't against his religion. He cares about abortion and homosexuality.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546505)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:06 PM
Author: OralAdvocate

"I'm waiting for him and his acolytes to come to a "textualist" position opposed to what I perceive to be his political position."

So now you claim it is his religious beliefs, not his political position that dicate his results?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546563)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:08 PM
Author: Hanna

I don't think that he believes that laws against flag burning are a good idea. I do think he believes laws against abortion and gay rights are a good idea.

A position against flag-burning laws is not the same as support for flag-burners.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546594)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:09 PM
Author: OralAdvocate

dp?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546613)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:11 PM
Author: Hanna

Double post -- I'm having tech issues.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546639)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:13 PM
Author: OralAdvocate

You are right, but I think Scalia is probably the one judge on the Court right now that would go against the desired result...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546675)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:17 PM
Author: Hanna

Actually, I'd agree with you if it weren't for Bush v. Gore. But his back was to the wall on that one.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546732)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:23 PM
Author: OralAdvocate

I havent read this opinion yet, and I am kinda scared to... This might make me lose a lot of respect for him. Oh well, there is always Thomas!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546795)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:13 PM
Author: sepula

he pretty much said today that he thinks laws against flag burning would be a good idea

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546668)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:12 PM
Author: Macanudo

He explicitly said that he doesn't care if gays want to pursue their rights through political avenues, yet you're willfully misinterpreting his statements about the homosexual agenda.

You use the term "homosexual agenda" as if there isn't one. There is, and that's fine. And, it's mainly being pursued through the courts, which isn't fine if you have Scalia's construction of the Cons't.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546658)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:16 PM
Author: Hanna

It's a term used _exclusively_ in a negative -- usually contemptuous -- light, by people who are opposed to gay rights.

It's kind of like calling pro-choice people "pro-abortion." Everybody knows exactly what you mean, and where you stand on the issue, when you use that term.

Surely you aren't suggesting that Scalia is ignorant of the implications of the language he chooses.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546709)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:18 PM
Author: Macanudo

You're giving it that connotation b/c you hate the people who even recognize that such a thing exists.

What Scalia said about gay rights is clearly true. The legal community has some evolving standards about what's fair with respect to gays and those views aren't held by the American people.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546738)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:24 PM
Author: Hanna

I'M giving it that connotation?

I control the language use of 300 million other Americans?

If you can find me some examples where the term "homosexual agenda" is used by gay-rights organizations or gay-friendly writers to describe the movement they're involved in in a non-ironic way, I'll concede that the connotation isn't clear.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546808)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:28 PM
Author: Macanudo

It's funny that you claim that 300 million Americans use it that way and then challenge me to find its use among some tiny subset of people who are seriously out of line with the majority of Americans. You're so out of touch.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546836)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:37 PM
Author: Hanna

OK, I'll broaden the challenge. Find its non-ironic use to describe the gay rights movement by anyone friendly to the agy rights movement. Or are you going to argue that people who support gay rights are a tiny subset out of step with America?

Do you agree with me that "pro-abortion" and "anti-choice" are loaded terms, used to signify opposition to the movement being described?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546911)





Date: April 13th, 2005 5:46 PM
Author: fulano

This isn't even a true statement. Most of the "agenda" is being pursued in state legislatures not in courts

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2551659)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:48 PM
Author: Joisey

its like Scalia thinks that homosexuals are some fictional group of people who dont exist ... in his Romer dissent he draws a comparison to, what is it, "polygamously-oriented" people (or something else made-up) in order to explain why he doesn't think gays deserve EP scrutiny.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546352)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:57 PM
Author: fshek

The majority and Scalia agreed insofar that both thought minimum rationality would suffice for gays. The majority wasn't honest in apply that standard though, and in reality, used some kind of heightened scrutiny without owning up to it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546436)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:01 PM
Author: Joisey

youre right. but my point was that he made his policy prefs obvious by introducing his own moral perspective with his discussion of homosexual "choice."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546492)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:04 PM
Author: sepula

he talked about choice in the context of conduct, not having homosexual desires

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546546)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:13 PM
Author: Hanna

Right. It's fine to be gay as long as you never do anything about it. It's kind of like saying, I don't hate Jews, I don't think there's anything wrong with being Jewish -- it's that whole praying in Hebrew thing that I view as despicable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546674)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:20 PM
Author: fshek

I think it's abundantly clear that Scalia doesn't like gays. But I think his stance is that he would uphold advances in gay rights that are properly obtained. He thinks these advances should not come from making gays a suspect or almost-suspect class.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546764)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:21 PM
Author: sepula

that's not exactly fair to the view that homosexual conduct is immoral. a person may be a kleptomaniac, but the law doesn't condemn him until he actually steals. you have the view that there is nothing immoral about homosexual conduct. i share that view. but there are many people, maybe a majority, in this country who do view it as immoral. the majority is allowed to express its views of immorality through the law unless it infringes on rights specifically protected by the constitution. privacy is not such a right.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546780)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:31 PM
Author: Hanna

>the majority is allowed to express its views of immorality through the law unless it infringes on rights specifically protected by the constitution.

Sure. And I'm allowed to call them out as the moral equals of segregationists.

>privacy is not such a right.

You are of course entitled to disagree with forty years of Supreme Court jurisprudence, but your making this kind of pronouncement in the same post where you point out that I'm not being fair to the opposite viewpoint is pretty ironic. Especially since in this case, the opposite viewpoint is the law of the land.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546859)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:37 PM
Author: sepula

'Sure. And I'm allowed to call them out as the moral equals of segregationists.'

This is exactly scalia's point- these issues should be resolved by democratic debate and process

'You are of course entitled to disagree with forty years of Supreme Court jurisprudence, but your making this kind of pronouncement in the same post where you point out that I'm not being fair to the opposite viewpoint is pretty ironic. Especially since in this case, the opposite viewpoint is the law of the land.'

I think its more about 30 years. but fair enough, there certainly is precedent supporting a right to privacy. an originalist like scalia would say that since the right isn't in the text, it doesn't exist. of course, if we go with an evolving constitution notion of interpretation, it will only exist as long as there are five justices who think it exists. social conservatives will certainly be doing their darnest to make sure there five justices who say it doesn't.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546914)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:41 PM
Author: Joisey

'I think its more about 30 years. but fair enough, there certainly is precedent supporting a right to privacy. an originalist like scalia would say that since the right isn't in the text, it doesn't exist.'

Griswold was 1965, 40 years ago.

hasn't Scalia in the past ruled in favor of some rights not explicit in the constitution? the right to refuse medical treatment (Cruzan) comes to mind.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546943)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:59 PM
Author: sepula

are you suggesting that polygamously-oriented people are some "fictional group of people who dont exist"?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546475)





Date: April 14th, 2005 1:48 PM
Author: Folper

I hope you're not suggesting that referring to the "homosexual agenda" is per se homophobic. The word agenda simply means "A list or program of things to be done or considered." It is entirely understandable to refer to the Democratic agenda, the Republican agenda, the Christian agenda, or the homosexual agenda.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2557323)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:36 PM
Author: sometit

"Liberals need to figure out that Scalia doesn't base his opinions on a desired result."

Fuck yes he does. They all do. Did the Legal Realist revolution miss you?

What you aren't comprehending is that Scalia's "desired result" was not an attack on gays, but a refutation of privacy protection. And in doing so, he ignores the Constitution. Whether Scalia likes it or not, Roe is law.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546200)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:39 PM
Author: sepula

yes, Roe is law, but it isn't the Constitution itself. there is a difference between stare decisis on constitutional issues and the text of the constitution itself

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546250)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:42 PM
Author: OralAdvocate

180.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546278)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:48 PM
Author: sometit

I think "pwn3d" is more appropriate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546357)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:51 PM
Author: sepula

you're admitting you were "pwn3d"?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546381)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:52 PM
Author: sometit

i'm practicing to be a trophy wife.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546396)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:55 PM
Author: sepula

ahh yes, now i remember why i liked you again. i still haven't gotten that fax of your picture though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546424)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:03 PM
Author: sometit

http://tinypic.com/4g6jrc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546529)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:06 PM
Author: sepula

aren't you taken? kent or something?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546571)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:08 PM
Author: sometit

ken has no penis, so he doesn't mind if i fuck around.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546600)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:14 PM
Author: sepula

you're wonderful

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546679)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:16 PM
Author: sometit

that's what ken says, too!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546707)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:23 PM
Author: sepula

i'm sorry, but if we're going to be together it has to be exclusive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546802)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:28 PM
Author: sometit

I think I should wait for the results of my lawyers' due diligence before having the "exclusive" conversation with you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546839)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:32 PM
Author: sepula

i'm sorry, but i can't have "sometit," only the wholetit- perhaps i need to invoke the unilateral termination clause of our letter of intent to pursue a merger

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546871)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:35 PM
Author: sometit

ahahaha - awesome.

But until I get my boob job, I'm afraid "sometit" is all there is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546899)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:40 PM
Author: sepula

that's ok, i like medium sized boobs. off to bed for me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546942)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:07 PM
Author: fshek

You're a doll.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546588)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:52 PM
Author: OralAdvocate

WTF?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546398)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:57 PM
Author: sepula

?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546447)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:40 PM
Author: I only jerk off to ex girlfriends

Saying that not believing in a right to privacy is ignoring the constitution is very tenuous.

maybe its disagreeing with the most recent (and narrowly decided) precedent, but its hardly a well settled fact in our country that there is a constitutional right to privacy. and as an originalist, Scalia is within reason to not find one.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546257)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:44 PM
Author: OralAdvocate

I dont recall the majority relying on Roe.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546315)





Date: December 6th, 2006 10:31 PM
Author: robsanpedro
Subject: WWSD?

My mantra when addressing any Constitutional question:

WWSD?

http://www.cafepress.com/lawthug/2017755

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#7157696)





Date: December 6th, 2006 10:33 PM
Author: davidbowiefan

don't bump in the middle of an old thread retard

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#7157717)





Date: April 12th, 2005 9:00 PM
Author: jacqueblackk

i was appalled but it looks like it happens all the time

http://www.legitgov.org/front_scalia_prin.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2545343)





Date: April 12th, 2005 9:02 PM
Author: Marty Lipton

join the long-ass discussion:

http://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164493&mc=172&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2545364)





Date: April 12th, 2005 9:04 PM
Author: geronimo

Can someone reveal the name? Obviously it will come out sooner or later; I don't see a reason for non-disclosure.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2545380)





Date: April 12th, 2005 9:06 PM
Author: h4ck3d 4cc0unt (Scalia@gmail.com)

Someone outed the guy already, apparantly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2545399)





Date: April 12th, 2005 9:16 PM
Author: Negligence



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2545484)





Date: April 12th, 2005 9:08 PM
Author: WBA (My rankings are infallible)

Welcome to five hours ago.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2545412)





Date: April 12th, 2005 9:10 PM
Author: Jake McGraw

"Welcome to [some time ago]" is the gayest, most annoying reply possible to a thread posted in good faith. Fag.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2545429)





Date: April 12th, 2005 9:11 PM
Author: Calm

Welcome to two minutes ago

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2545436)





Date: April 12th, 2005 9:11 PM
Author: WBA (My rankings are infallible)

Hey, if you hold yourself out as a breaking news outlet, you've got to be on the ball with this stuff.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2545438)





Date: April 12th, 2005 9:12 PM
Author: New Jack

Yes, and "fag" is a much more mature response.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2545440)





Date: April 12th, 2005 9:54 PM
Author: """"

Sounds like the gay kid PWN3D Scalia. Hahaha.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2545792)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:32 PM
Author: ..,..,....,..,,,........,.,..,,...,..


SO what happened after he asked? Did everyone's jaw drop? WHat did Scalia say?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546147)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:37 PM
Author: sepula

there was an audible gasp, scalia said nothing, barkow told the guy to sit down, and he asked the same thing about 5 more times

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546216)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:46 PM
Author: ..,..,....,..,,,........,.,..,,...,..


I just read Earl's post. Wow. What a useless ass dumpster. Doing things like that make people hate and disrespect gays even more.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546333)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:01 PM
Author: .... ... ....,..... ... .... ...,... ...

Sad, but true.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546508)





Date: April 14th, 2005 2:12 PM
Author: M.I.T.T.E.N.S. (angry Loaner)

Why do you say things like this, Arrow?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2557432)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:12 PM
Author: miclife

Hitler makes me hate white people.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546651)





Date: April 13th, 2005 1:12 AM
Author: Alec

He certainly wasn't speaking for all of us.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2547821)





Date: April 12th, 2005 10:47 PM
Author: not

I guess he really wanted to know.

I wouldn't.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546346)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:01 PM
Author: not
Subject: It could have been worse...

The guy could have brought up "santorum".

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546503)





Date: April 12th, 2005 11:19 PM
Author: Hanna

Eh, that wouldn't have much punch addressing Scalia. I'm sure Santorum's been asked about santorum.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2546753)





Date: April 14th, 2005 2:00 PM
Author: IntelektualBully

Hanna - where you go to school? Not to sound like an idiot, but you're brilliant? you interested in litigation?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2557378)





Date: April 14th, 2005 2:19 PM
Author: Contraxuwall

she doesn't. she has HLS on her diploma and works

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#2557473)





Date: September 26th, 2005 6:20 PM
Author: is

BUMP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=164639&forum_id=#3910096)