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RESOLVED: JUDGES DECIDE CASES ON THE BASIS OF FAIRNESS, NOT LAW

Any credible disagreement with this proposition?
slim_shady_man  02/09/12
Did they not teach you about equity vs law? In old England t...
kogan  02/09/12
See, e.g., JEFFREY A. SEGAL & HAROLD J. SPAETH, THE SUPR...
slim_shady_man  02/09/12
You think Segal and Spaeth haven't been criticized many time...
donald hussein regan  02/10/12
I still think they're right, as flawed as their study might ...
,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,::,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.  02/10/12
http://www.hairfinder.com/celebrityhairstyles2/sarah-shahi2....
slim_shady_man  07/23/12
Gross simplification of British law.
rnozick1  03/22/12
I tend to agree with slim. However, there are the rare occur...
-------,..---..,,,,-------------  02/10/12
he is absolutely correct if you replace "fair" wit...
der_riese  02/10/12
TYFT, brother. I agree whole-heartedly. Care to elaborate?
slim_shady_man  02/10/12
...
slim_shady_man  12/21/12
false (see dismissals on basis of statute of limitations pro...
LathamTouchedMe  02/09/12
cr
.,.,.;.,...,..,.,:,,:,..,..,::,..,:,.,.:,..:.,:.:,  02/09/12
provide please several citations to such dismissals along wi...
.,.,....,.,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,....,:,.,.:...,:.::,  02/09/12
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.,.,.;.,..,..,.,:,,:,..,..,::,..,:,.,.:...:,:;.:,.  02/09/12
Duh! Those obvious cases are where the judge just applies th...
slim_shady_man  02/09/12
procedural defects aren't always clear-cut
..,,,,,,,,,,....  02/09/12
So do judges decide the bar on successive motions of habeas ...
slim_shady_man  02/09/12
don't know, don't care
..,,,,,,,,,,....  02/09/12
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slim_shady_man  03/21/12
I find 'fairness' a weird name for what you're getting at
,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,::,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.  02/09/12
What's a better word? I am trying to say that a judge decide...
slim_shady_man  02/09/12
you are 100% correct
der_riese  02/10/12
whats a better word then?
slim_shady_man  04/17/12
...
slim_shady_man  03/22/12
most procedural errors are corrected via motion for leave to...
........,.,.,.,,,,,,,.....,  02/09/12
Very cogent, brother. Expand a little please.
slim_shady_man  02/09/12
no
........,.,.,.,,,,,,,.....,  02/09/12
lol
.,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,..,.,;,.,.:.,:.,:.::,.  12/21/12
(says something unintelligent about equitable tolling)
Levi-Civita symbol  02/09/12
Even tolling is applied according to fairly rigid doctrines....
LathamTouchedMe  02/09/12
How about at the COA and SCOTUS level?
slim_shady_man  02/09/12
what an idiot
,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,::,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.  02/09/12
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Reynolds
Talib Kweli  02/09/12
What about Maher Arar, brother?
slim_shady_man  02/09/12
uh, by definition, thats what equity courts are supposed to ...
..;.;.'.'.;'.;.'.;.';..';..;..;.;.  02/09/12
even for courts of chancery, they decide on the basis of fai...
slim_shady_man  02/09/12
if chancery is the same as equity, then yes, that is the leg...
..;.;.'.'.;'.;.'.;.';..';..;..;.;.  02/09/12
...
slim_shady_man  02/09/12
well duh, they're courts of chancery
Levi-Civita symbol  02/09/12
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slim_shady_man  09/23/12
Twist: the law is fair
.,.,.,.,.,.....`...,.,.,`.,...,'  02/09/12
if law was fair, this guy would have gotten monetary relief....
slim_shady_man  02/09/12
But Slim, what argument that proceeding w his litigation sev...
.,.,.,.,.,.....`...,.,.,`.,...,'  02/09/12
The invocation of the State Secret privilege in this case wa...
slim_shady_man  02/09/12
That statement standing alone seems a little conclusory. Des...
.,.,.,.,.,.....`...,.,.,`.,...,'  02/09/12
read david cole's brief man. He litigated the case on appeal...
slim_shady_man  02/09/12
to be fair, no (see bush v. gore)
dcpoast (41 yr old shirtless guitar player)  02/09/12
ya that was decided on the basis of fairness
slim_shady_man  02/09/12
Sarcasm?
.,.,.,.,.,.....`...,.,.,`.,...,'  02/09/12
the conservative bloc thought it was fair to give the electi...
slim_shady_man  02/09/12
But you didn't think it was. amirite
.,.,.,.,.,.....`...,.,.,`.,...,'  02/09/12
See, e.g., JEFFREY A. SEGAL & HAROLD J. SPAETH, THE SUPR...
slim_shady_man  02/09/12
...
slim_shady_man  03/13/12
lol, just lol
dcpoast (41 yr old shirtless guitar player)  02/09/12
Korematsu v. US
Crossfit bro stylin on partner in moment of hubris  02/09/12
fairness again
slim_shady_man  02/09/12
Korematsu would disagree with you.
Crossfit bro stylin on partner in moment of hubris  02/09/12
then what did they decide the case on ? not on the law...on ...
slim_shady_man  02/09/12
exigency =/= fairness.
,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,::,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.  02/09/12
titocr
Crossfit bro stylin on partner in moment of hubris  02/09/12
define fairness, brother. is fairness some intangible, publi...
Crossfit bro stylin on partner in moment of hubris  02/09/12
See, e.g., JEFFREY A. SEGAL & HAROLD J. SPAETH, THE SUPR...
slim_shady_man  02/09/12
attitudes/values =/= fairness
,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,::,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.  02/09/12
You've never noticed that your COA judge decides on the basi...
slim_shady_man  02/09/12
attitudes are not fairness, brother. also, my judge (who I'm...
,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,::,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.  02/09/12
I know the law might suggest an outcome, but ultimately, in ...
slim_shady_man  02/09/12
why the fuck does that matter, a hard case by definition is ...
,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,::,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.  02/09/12
Hard cases are where the stakes tend to be extremely high on...
slim_shady_man  02/09/12
but you see, that's a HARD CASE about which the constitution...
,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,::,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.  02/09/12
There you go, brother. You just recognized my point. Have yo...
slim_shady_man  02/09/12
but strong indeterminacy is bullshit, 99% of law is settled
,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,::,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.  02/09/12
I just fucking said that. Christ. Thoughts on Critical L...
slim_shady_man  02/09/12
you so did not just fucking say that
,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,::,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.  02/09/12
Oh apologies, brother. I meant I was NOT advocating Crit. Th...
slim_shady_man  02/09/12
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slim_shady_man  04/12/12
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slim_shady_man  09/15/12
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slim_shady_man  04/11/12
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.,.,.,.,.,.....`...,.,.,`.,...,'  04/12/12
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slim_shady_man  07/13/12
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slim_shady_man  04/14/12
i smoke cocks. not bragging. just being.
gooroo  02/10/12
1s agin the best poast itt
JSTOR  02/10/12
Wrong. For example, there are tons of empirical studies show...
.......,.............;.;;;...;..;  02/10/12
nice "pretending to not know that ssm is flame/retarded...
,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,::,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.  02/10/12
someone's gotta feed the fire man
.......,.............;.;;;...;..;  02/10/12
Fairness includes ideological preference. All I am trying to...
slim_shady_man  02/10/12
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.,.,.,.,.,.....`...,.,.,`.,...,'  05/06/12
Apt, timely example: United States v. Jones. Whatever tha...
OrthoStice  02/10/12
Thank you brother. Also, can you discuss whether Justice ...
slim_shady_man  02/10/12
FROM A JOB OPPORTUNITY--BASICALLY PROVES JUDGES DECIDE CASE...
slim_shady_man  02/26/12
Your position is interesting, and perhaps even persuasive, b...
An alpha male strutting through your high school  04/14/12
Why, brother? Where you been?
slim_shady_man  04/14/12
Just messing with you man. I've been in lurk mode lately ma...
An alpha male strutting through your high school  04/14/12
How is California legal practice treating u, brother?
slim_shady_man  04/14/12
I like it for the most part man. I'm getting put on some fai...
An alpha male strutting through your high school  04/14/12
ahh nice, brother. Are you trying to open up your own place ...
slim_shady_man  04/14/12
that would be awesome, but I don't think I'm entrepreneurial...
An alpha male strutting through your high school  04/14/12
pretty easy argument when you define fairness as anything th...
slimshadyman leading u down a subthread wasteland  04/14/12
Your sophistication on these matters is utterly rudimentary....
slim_shady_man  04/14/12
explain in a cogent sentence please
slimshadyman leading u down a subthread wasteland  04/14/12
http://www.repository.law.indiana.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?ar...
slim_shady_man  04/14/12
that's not a sentence brother. whose supreme court justic...
slimshadyman leading u down a subthread wasteland  04/14/12
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slim_shady_man  05/23/12
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"jefe"  10/07/12
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"jefe"  10/16/12


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Date: February 9th, 2012 12:02 PM
Author: slim_shady_man

Any credible disagreement with this proposition?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19930168)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:16 PM
Author: kogan

Did they not teach you about equity vs law? In old England they actually had two kinds of courts. One that ruled based on law and other that ruled based on fairness.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931572)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 8:38 PM
Author: slim_shady_man

See, e.g., JEFFREY A. SEGAL & HAROLD J. SPAETH, THE SUPREME COURT AND THE ATTITUDINAL MODEL (2001) (arguing that Supreme Court Justices decide cases based on political attitudes

and values rather than on legal considerations).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933309)



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Date: February 10th, 2012 1:55 AM
Author: donald hussein regan (and the horse you rode in on)

You think Segal and Spaeth haven't been criticized many times in the literature? Are you just now coming across this citation? Lol, brother, lol.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19935652)



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Date: February 10th, 2012 2:02 AM
Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,::,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.

I still think they're right, as flawed as their study might be in this way or that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19935681)



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Date: July 23rd, 2012 2:13 PM
Author: slim_shady_man

http://www.hairfinder.com/celebrityhairstyles2/sarah-shahi2.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#21155031)



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Date: March 22nd, 2012 12:38 PM
Author: rnozick1

Gross simplification of British law.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20267597)



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Date: February 10th, 2012 3:34 AM
Author: -------,..---..,,,,-------------

I tend to agree with slim. However, there are the rare occurrences when Judges rule in accordance with procedural law that results in an otherwise inequitable outcome. During the rare instances that I'm working on the defense side, I shoot for the quick technical win and sometimes you get the job done with the support from the Judge, all the while knowing that the other side clearly has merit.

I would hope that fairness dictates our judicial processes, but what is fairness? To say that ulterior motives are never a factor is to say that Judges are inhuman machines.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19935879)



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Date: February 10th, 2012 8:26 AM
Author: der_riese

he is absolutely correct if you replace "fair" with "whatever the judge thinks is the "right" answer"

anyone who disputes this is a fucking retard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19936282)



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Date: February 10th, 2012 8:47 PM
Author: slim_shady_man

TYFT, brother. I agree whole-heartedly. Care to elaborate?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19939799)



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Date: December 21st, 2012 11:18 PM
Author: slim_shady_man



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#22294286)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 12:06 PM
Author: LathamTouchedMe

false (see dismissals on basis of statute of limitations procedural errors etc)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19930195)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 12:09 PM
Author: .,.,.;.,...,..,.,:,,:,..,..,::,..,:,.,.:,..:.,:.:,

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19930213)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 12:09 PM
Author: .,.,....,.,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,....,:,.,.:...,:.::,

provide please several citations to such dismissals along with a cogent and succinct summary of each case.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19930216)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 12:13 PM
Author: .,.,.;.,..,..,.,:,,:,..,..,::,..,:,.,.:...:,:;.:,. (5ever)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19930248)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 3:16 PM
Author: slim_shady_man

Duh! Those obvious cases are where the judge just applies the law. But in hard cases like Romer v Evans, Heller, and so forth, a decision is made on the basis of fairness.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931274)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:05 PM
Author: ..,,,,,,,,,,....

procedural defects aren't always clear-cut

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931518)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:06 PM
Author: slim_shady_man

So do judges decide the bar on successive motions of habeas relief on the basis of fairness?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931520)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:08 PM
Author: ..,,,,,,,,,,....

don't know, don't care

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931531)



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Date: March 21st, 2012 10:47 AM
Author: slim_shady_man



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20257024)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 5:43 PM
Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,::,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.

I find 'fairness' a weird name for what you're getting at

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19932013)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 8:08 PM
Author: slim_shady_man

What's a better word? I am trying to say that a judge decides cases on the basis of his own personal view as to what the best/just outcome should be according to his own peculiar worldview.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933138)



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Date: February 10th, 2012 8:31 AM
Author: der_riese

you are 100% correct



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19936288)



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Date: April 17th, 2012 9:00 AM
Author: slim_shady_man

whats a better word then?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20481268)



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Date: March 22nd, 2012 11:58 AM
Author: slim_shady_man



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20267364)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 3:23 PM
Author: ........,.,.,.,,,,,,,.....,

most procedural errors are corrected via motion for leave to amend.

it can be argued that it is fair not to subject someone to suit after a significant amount of time (the limitations period) has passed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931301)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 3:24 PM
Author: slim_shady_man

Very cogent, brother. Expand a little please.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931304)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 3:27 PM
Author: ........,.,.,.,,,,,,,.....,

no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931325)



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Date: December 21st, 2012 11:33 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,..,.,;,.,.:.,:.,:.::,.

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#22294360)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 5:48 PM
Author: Levi-Civita symbol (IM IN UR MATRICEEZ, CALCULATIN UR DETERMINANTZ)

(says something unintelligent about equitable tolling)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19932040)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:41 PM
Author: LathamTouchedMe

Even tolling is applied according to fairly rigid doctrines. OP's assertion is garbage at the trial court level where courts don't stray much from the rules and doctrines set forth from above. Obviously the Supreme Court is more likely to take account of fluffy policy considerations.

I guess it depends on how you define fairness. I believe OP is trying to argue that courts don't follow precedent or doctrines and make decisions according to their notions of justice and good policy which really isn't all that true at the lower court levels.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933674)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:42 PM
Author: slim_shady_man

How about at the COA and SCOTUS level?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933679)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 12:09 PM
Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,::,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.

what an idiot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19930214)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 3:32 PM
Author: Talib Kweli

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Reynolds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931347)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 3:33 PM
Author: slim_shady_man

What about Maher Arar, brother?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931355)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 3:37 PM
Author: ..;.;.'.'.;'.;.'.;.';..';..;..;.;.

uh, by definition, thats what equity courts are supposed to do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931372)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 3:57 PM
Author: slim_shady_man

even for courts of chancery, they decide on the basis of fairness

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931470)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 5:50 PM
Author: ..;.;.'.'.;'.;.'.;.';..';..;..;.;.

if chancery is the same as equity, then yes, that is the legal standard they apply: what is fair.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19932054)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:26 PM
Author: slim_shady_man



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933582)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 5:51 PM
Author: Levi-Civita symbol (IM IN UR MATRICEEZ, CALCULATIN UR DETERMINANTZ)

well duh, they're courts of chancery

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19932067)



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Date: September 23rd, 2012 11:18 PM
Author: slim_shady_man



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#21645753)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:02 PM
Author: .,.,.,.,.,.....`...,.,.,`.,...,'

Twist: the law is fair

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931502)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:04 PM
Author: slim_shady_man

if law was fair, this guy would have gotten monetary relief.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maher_Arar

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931513)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:07 PM
Author: .,.,.,.,.,.....`...,.,.,`.,...,'

But Slim, what argument that proceeding w his litigation severely impairs post-9/11 American foreign policy? I.e., fairer to protect American people than this dood. Your take?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931528)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:09 PM
Author: slim_shady_man

The invocation of the State Secret privilege in this case was invoked disingeniously.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931537)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:11 PM
Author: .,.,.,.,.,.....`...,.,.,`.,...,'

That statement standing alone seems a little conclusory. Describe why if you could

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931550)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:34 PM
Author: slim_shady_man

read david cole's brief man. He litigated the case on appeal to the 2nd cir. with CCR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931671)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:11 PM
Author: dcpoast (41 yr old shirtless guitar player)

to be fair, no (see bush v. gore)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931546)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:11 PM
Author: slim_shady_man

ya that was decided on the basis of fairness

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931549)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:11 PM
Author: .,.,.,.,.,.....`...,.,.,`.,...,'

Sarcasm?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931553)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:12 PM
Author: slim_shady_man

the conservative bloc thought it was fair to give the election to bush.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931556)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:15 PM
Author: .,.,.,.,.,.....`...,.,.,`.,...,'

But you didn't think it was. amirite

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931565)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 8:38 PM
Author: slim_shady_man

See, e.g., JEFFREY A. SEGAL & HAROLD J. SPAETH, THE SUPREME COURT AND THE ATTITUDINAL MODEL (2001) (arguing that Supreme Court Justices decide cases based on political attitudes

and values rather than on legal considerations

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933314)



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Date: March 13th, 2012 2:30 PM
Author: slim_shady_man



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20195801)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:12 PM
Author: dcpoast (41 yr old shirtless guitar player)

lol, just lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931554)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:15 PM
Author: Crossfit bro stylin on partner in moment of hubris

Korematsu v. US

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931567)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:30 PM
Author: slim_shady_man

fairness again

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931650)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 5:39 PM
Author: Crossfit bro stylin on partner in moment of hubris

Korematsu would disagree with you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931987)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 5:42 PM
Author: slim_shady_man

then what did they decide the case on ? not on the law...on the basis of exigency and thus fairness

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19932005)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 5:49 PM
Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,::,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.

exigency =/= fairness.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19932046)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 5:55 PM
Author: Crossfit bro stylin on partner in moment of hubris

titocr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19932082)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 5:50 PM
Author: Crossfit bro stylin on partner in moment of hubris

define fairness, brother. is fairness some intangible, public good which usurps the individual's rights in exigent circumstances? please provide no less than 3 cogent, relevant examples in an expeditious manner. ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19932052)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 8:07 PM
Author: slim_shady_man

See, e.g., JEFFREY A. SEGAL & HAROLD J. SPAETH, THE SUPREME COURT AND THE ATTITUDINAL MODEL (2001) (arguing that Supreme Court Justices decide cases based on political attitudes

and values rather than on legal considerations)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933128)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:32 PM
Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,::,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.

attitudes/values =/= fairness

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933610)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:33 PM
Author: slim_shady_man

You've never noticed that your COA judge decides on the basis of fairness a given complaint?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933614)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:35 PM
Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,::,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.

attitudes are not fairness, brother. also, my judge (who I'm not working for yet) always seems to agree with the other judges on their panels, and I find it hard to believe they all have the same views about the "fairness" of this or that. but they do agree on the law

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933625)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:37 PM
Author: slim_shady_man

I know the law might suggest an outcome, but ultimately, in the hard cases, don't you think the judges just think that their reasoning is outcome-driven?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933639)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:38 PM
Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,::,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.

why the fuck does that matter, a hard case by definition is one where the law has probably run out

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933648)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:39 PM
Author: slim_shady_man

Hard cases are where the stakes tend to be extremely high on both sides, and in which decisions on the basis of fairness are most often generated.

Thoughts on DeShaney v. Winnebago County? Read that case. notice how the Justices decide the merits on the basis of their personal vision of fairness.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933655)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:45 PM
Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,::,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.

but you see, that's a HARD CASE about which the constitution really says absolutely nothing one way or another, so yeah, what else are you going to rely on but your personal vision of the law

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933695)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:46 PM
Author: slim_shady_man

There you go, brother. You just recognized my point. Have you ever read the Legal Realists like Alan Watson? They sort of make the same point. I am advocating a Crit position a la Duncan Kennedy, Roberto Unger or Mark Tushnet (i.e. a strong indeterminacy argument).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933705)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:51 PM
Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,::,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.

but strong indeterminacy is bullshit, 99% of law is settled

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933744)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:53 PM
Author: slim_shady_man

I just fucking said that. Christ.

Thoughts on Critical Legal Studies?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933755)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:54 PM
Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,::,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.

you so did not just fucking say that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933767)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:56 PM
Author: slim_shady_man

Oh apologies, brother. I meant I was NOT advocating Crit. Thoughts on Crit theory?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933787)



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Date: April 12th, 2012 11:40 AM
Author: slim_shady_man



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20446400)



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Date: September 15th, 2012 1:09 PM
Author: slim_shady_man



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#21584875)



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Date: April 11th, 2012 6:32 PM
Author: slim_shady_man



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20441378)



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Date: April 12th, 2012 11:43 AM
Author: .,.,.,.,.,.....`...,.,.,`.,...,'



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20446416)



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Date: July 13th, 2012 10:58 PM
Author: slim_shady_man



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#21081826)



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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:52 PM
Author: slim_shady_man



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20462006)



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Date: February 10th, 2012 2:03 AM
Author: gooroo

i smoke cocks. not bragging. just being.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19935686)



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Date: February 10th, 2012 3:14 AM
Author: JSTOR (Le Tigre)

1s agin the best poast itt

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19935822)



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Date: February 10th, 2012 2:41 AM
Author: .......,.............;.;;;...;..;

Wrong. For example, there are tons of empirical studies showing a strong correlation between the outcome of case and a judges political preference. These studies are all based off of published opinions (17% of all federal circuit court decisions are published... yes, this is the actual statistic), which include almost all of the "hard cases." If you believe these studies have at least some value, then it becomes pretty clear fairness alone is an oversimplification.

Posner has written extensively on this. Its really a combination of many things - pragmatism, ideological identity, legalism, sociology, etc. Way too many factors influence judges decision to say it comes down to "fairness."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19935767)



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Date: February 10th, 2012 2:43 AM
Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,::,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.

nice "pretending to not know that ssm is flame/retarded/both" schtick

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19935769)



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Date: February 10th, 2012 2:47 AM
Author: .......,.............;.;;;...;..;

someone's gotta feed the fire man

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19935775)



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Date: February 10th, 2012 8:59 AM
Author: slim_shady_man

Fairness includes ideological preference. All I am trying to say--and to which you agree with--is that judges don't apply the law like its some brooding "thing" in the sky.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19936326)



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Date: May 6th, 2012 3:35 PM
Author: .,.,.,.,.,.....`...,.,.,`.,...,'



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20628241)



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Date: February 10th, 2012 11:36 AM
Author: OrthoStice

Apt, timely example: United States v. Jones.

Whatever that mess of opinions actually establishes, it is a significant departure from settled Fourth Amendment doctrine. The Court just got creeped out by the "Big Brother" feel to it, and fished around for some way to say that the cops can't do that. Totally based on gut rxn, not sensible principles. Also, wrong, IMO.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19936767)



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Date: February 10th, 2012 11:40 AM
Author: slim_shady_man

Thank you brother.

Also, can you discuss whether Justice Alito's concurrence is based on notions of fairness?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19936784)



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Date: February 26th, 2012 12:59 PM
Author: slim_shady_man

FROM A JOB OPPORTUNITY--BASICALLY PROVES JUDGES DECIDE CASES ON THE BASIS OF FAIRNESS

The normal procedure followed by a judge in working with a law clerk on a decision or order is to discuss the case with the law clerk, advise him/her of the decision and approach to be taken, as well as to discuss the style in which the decision or order is to be written. The law clerk then independently conducts the necessary research and prepares the draft decision or order for the judge's review. Outstanding critical analysis and writing skills are therefore essential. Law clerks will have the opportunity to sit in on parts of trials, oral arguments and mediations.

It is highly preferable for candidates to have taken the bar exam prior to commencing their clerkships. Appointees commencing work prior to passing the bar exam are designated by the Office of Personnel Management as "Law Clerk" – a designation that cannot under any circumstances exceed 14 months and cannot be extended. This means that the appointee must pass the bar exam before the 14-month period ends. Once admitted to the bar of any state, the appointee’s designation is converted to "Attorney Advisor."

The FERC law clerk position requires a firm two-year commitment. The energy field is highly technical and requires substantial training to achieve competence. Once achieved, however, this competence affords our attorney advisors highly coveted and otherwise unavailable employment opportunities, both within the agency and in prestigious private law firms throughout the country. FERC law clerks typically receive multiple job offers within weeks of becoming eligible to interview (after twenty-two (22) months of service).

As a general rule the starting grade for law clerks at FERC is GS-11, currently starting at $62,467, where one or more of the following apply:

(1) Top third of law school graduating class.

(2) Member, Law Review.

(3) Member, Order of the Coif.

(4) Winner of moot court competition; member of law school moot court team.

(5) Full-time or continuous participation in a legal aid program.

(6) Significant summer law office clerk experience, particularly in the economic or energy regulatory fields.

(7) Other equivalent evidence of superior achievement.

Law clerks also receive such annual cost of living increases as may be approved by the Congress each January. In addition, if performing at the fully successful level at the end of the first year, the law clerk will be eligible for promotion to GS-12, currently starting at $74,872 (plus any cost of living increases).

GEOGRAPHIC PREFERENCE

Washington Metro Area

POSITION TYPE

Entry Level Attorney

DESIRED APPLICANT TYPE

Current Student, Alumni

LOCATION(S)

City

Washington

State/Province

District of Columbia

Country

United States

COMPENSATION

See description section.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20057958)



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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:58 PM
Author: An alpha male strutting through your high school

Your position is interesting, and perhaps even persuasive, but I'm not sure that it is COGENT.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20462036)



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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:59 PM
Author: slim_shady_man

Why, brother? Where you been?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20462037)



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Date: April 14th, 2012 4:06 PM
Author: An alpha male strutting through your high school

Just messing with you man. I've been in lurk mode lately man. Not poasting much. I guess I'm just haven't been feeling inspired enough to participate in the noble dialogue.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20462068)



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Date: April 14th, 2012 4:07 PM
Author: slim_shady_man

How is California legal practice treating u, brother?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20462073)



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Date: April 14th, 2012 4:17 PM
Author: An alpha male strutting through your high school

I like it for the most part man. I'm getting put on some fairly interesting cases for how small the firm is.

Kinda stressing about developing a NICHE to separate myself from the general lit riffraff so I can lateral in a few years. Been trying to focus on environmental cases and the "business tort" cases (intentional interference with K, trade libel, etc.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20462128)



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Date: April 14th, 2012 4:18 PM
Author: slim_shady_man

ahh nice, brother. Are you trying to open up your own place in the Bay Area?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20462136)



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Date: April 14th, 2012 4:40 PM
Author: An alpha male strutting through your high school

that would be awesome, but I don't think I'm entrepreneurial enough. Would love to just lateral to a small firm in the Bay that does quality litigation, brother.

Are you working these days, brother?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20462250)



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Date: April 14th, 2012 4:01 PM
Author: slimshadyman leading u down a subthread wasteland (sarc)

pretty easy argument when you define fairness as anything the judge bases his opinion on

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20462042)



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Date: April 14th, 2012 4:07 PM
Author: slim_shady_man

Your sophistication on these matters is utterly rudimentary.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20462074)



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Date: April 14th, 2012 4:08 PM
Author: slimshadyman leading u down a subthread wasteland (sarc)

explain in a cogent sentence please

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20462082)



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Date: April 14th, 2012 4:09 PM
Author: slim_shady_man

http://www.repository.law.indiana.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1463&context=ilj

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20462087)



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Date: April 14th, 2012 4:16 PM
Author: slimshadyman leading u down a subthread wasteland (sarc)

that's not a sentence brother.

whose supreme court justice's writing do you most admire brother

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20462126)



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Date: May 23rd, 2012 10:00 PM
Author: slim_shady_man



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20754774)



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Date: October 7th, 2012 7:25 PM
Author: "jefe"



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#21736756)



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Date: October 16th, 2012 7:06 PM
Author: "jefe"



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#21803706)