RESOLVED: JUDGES DECIDE CASES ON THE BASIS OF FAIRNESS, NOT LAW
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Date: February 10th, 2012 2:02 AM Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,::,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.
I still think they're right, as flawed as their study might be in this way or that
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19935681) |
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Date: February 10th, 2012 3:34 AM Author: -------,..---..,,,,-------------
I tend to agree with slim. However, there are the rare occurrences when Judges rule in accordance with procedural law that results in an otherwise inequitable outcome. During the rare instances that I'm working on the defense side, I shoot for the quick technical win and sometimes you get the job done with the support from the Judge, all the while knowing that the other side clearly has merit.
I would hope that fairness dictates our judicial processes, but what is fairness? To say that ulterior motives are never a factor is to say that Judges are inhuman machines.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19935879) |
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Date: February 9th, 2012 12:09 PM Author: .,.,.;.,...,..,.,:,,:,..,..,::,..,:,.,.:,..:.,:.:,
cr
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19930213) |
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Date: February 9th, 2012 12:13 PM Author: .,.,.;.,..,..,.,:,,:,..,..,::,..,:,.,.:...:,:;.:,. (5ever)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19930248) |
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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:05 PM Author: ..,,,,,,,,,,....
procedural defects aren't always clear-cut
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931518) |
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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:08 PM Author: ..,,,,,,,,,,....
don't know, don't care
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931531) |
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Date: February 9th, 2012 5:43 PM Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,::,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.
I find 'fairness' a weird name for what you're getting at
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19932013) |
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Date: February 9th, 2012 3:23 PM Author: ........,.,.,.,,,,,,,.....,
most procedural errors are corrected via motion for leave to amend.
it can be argued that it is fair not to subject someone to suit after a significant amount of time (the limitations period) has passed.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931301) |
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Date: February 9th, 2012 3:27 PM Author: ........,.,.,.,,,,,,,.....,
no
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931325) |
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Date: December 21st, 2012 11:33 PM Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,..,.,;,.,.:.,:.,:.::,.
lol
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Date: February 9th, 2012 12:09 PM Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,::,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.
what an idiot
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19930214) |

Date: February 9th, 2012 4:02 PM Author: .,.,.,.,.,.....`...,.,.,`.,...,'
Twist: the law is fair
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931502) |
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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:07 PM Author: .,.,.,.,.,.....`...,.,.,`.,...,'
But Slim, what argument that proceeding w his litigation severely impairs post-9/11 American foreign policy? I.e., fairer to protect American people than this dood. Your take?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931528) |
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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:11 PM Author: .,.,.,.,.,.....`...,.,.,`.,...,'
That statement standing alone seems a little conclusory. Describe why if you could
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931550) |
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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:11 PM Author: .,.,.,.,.,.....`...,.,.,`.,...,'
Sarcasm?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931553) |
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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:15 PM Author: .,.,.,.,.,.....`...,.,.,`.,...,'
But you didn't think it was. amirite
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931565) |
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Date: February 9th, 2012 5:49 PM Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,::,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.
exigency =/= fairness.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19932046) |
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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:32 PM Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,::,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.
attitudes/values =/= fairness
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933610) |
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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:35 PM Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,::,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.
attitudes are not fairness, brother. also, my judge (who I'm not working for yet) always seems to agree with the other judges on their panels, and I find it hard to believe they all have the same views about the "fairness" of this or that. but they do agree on the law
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933625) |
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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:38 PM Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,::,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.
why the fuck does that matter, a hard case by definition is one where the law has probably run out
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933648) |
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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:45 PM Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,::,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.
but you see, that's a HARD CASE about which the constitution really says absolutely nothing one way or another, so yeah, what else are you going to rely on but your personal vision of the law
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933695) |
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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:51 PM Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,::,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.
but strong indeterminacy is bullshit, 99% of law is settled
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933744) |
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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:54 PM Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,::,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.
you so did not just fucking say that
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933767) |
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Date: April 12th, 2012 11:43 AM Author: .,.,.,.,.,.....`...,.,.,`.,...,'
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20446416) |

Date: February 10th, 2012 2:41 AM Author: .......,.............;.;;;...;..;
Wrong. For example, there are tons of empirical studies showing a strong correlation between the outcome of case and a judges political preference. These studies are all based off of published opinions (17% of all federal circuit court decisions are published... yes, this is the actual statistic), which include almost all of the "hard cases." If you believe these studies have at least some value, then it becomes pretty clear fairness alone is an oversimplification.
Posner has written extensively on this. Its really a combination of many things - pragmatism, ideological identity, legalism, sociology, etc. Way too many factors influence judges decision to say it comes down to "fairness."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19935767) |
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Date: February 10th, 2012 2:43 AM Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,::,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.
nice "pretending to not know that ssm is flame/retarded/both" schtick
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19935769) |
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Date: May 6th, 2012 3:35 PM Author: .,.,.,.,.,.....`...,.,.,`.,...,'
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20628241) |

Date: February 10th, 2012 11:36 AM Author: OrthoStice
Apt, timely example: United States v. Jones.
Whatever that mess of opinions actually establishes, it is a significant departure from settled Fourth Amendment doctrine. The Court just got creeped out by the "Big Brother" feel to it, and fished around for some way to say that the cops can't do that. Totally based on gut rxn, not sensible principles. Also, wrong, IMO.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19936767) |

Date: February 26th, 2012 12:59 PM Author: slim_shady_man
FROM A JOB OPPORTUNITY--BASICALLY PROVES JUDGES DECIDE CASES ON THE BASIS OF FAIRNESS
The normal procedure followed by a judge in working with a law clerk on a decision or order is to discuss the case with the law clerk, advise him/her of the decision and approach to be taken, as well as to discuss the style in which the decision or order is to be written. The law clerk then independently conducts the necessary research and prepares the draft decision or order for the judge's review. Outstanding critical analysis and writing skills are therefore essential. Law clerks will have the opportunity to sit in on parts of trials, oral arguments and mediations.
It is highly preferable for candidates to have taken the bar exam prior to commencing their clerkships. Appointees commencing work prior to passing the bar exam are designated by the Office of Personnel Management as "Law Clerk" – a designation that cannot under any circumstances exceed 14 months and cannot be extended. This means that the appointee must pass the bar exam before the 14-month period ends. Once admitted to the bar of any state, the appointee’s designation is converted to "Attorney Advisor."
The FERC law clerk position requires a firm two-year commitment. The energy field is highly technical and requires substantial training to achieve competence. Once achieved, however, this competence affords our attorney advisors highly coveted and otherwise unavailable employment opportunities, both within the agency and in prestigious private law firms throughout the country. FERC law clerks typically receive multiple job offers within weeks of becoming eligible to interview (after twenty-two (22) months of service).
As a general rule the starting grade for law clerks at FERC is GS-11, currently starting at $62,467, where one or more of the following apply:
(1) Top third of law school graduating class.
(2) Member, Law Review.
(3) Member, Order of the Coif.
(4) Winner of moot court competition; member of law school moot court team.
(5) Full-time or continuous participation in a legal aid program.
(6) Significant summer law office clerk experience, particularly in the economic or energy regulatory fields.
(7) Other equivalent evidence of superior achievement.
Law clerks also receive such annual cost of living increases as may be approved by the Congress each January. In addition, if performing at the fully successful level at the end of the first year, the law clerk will be eligible for promotion to GS-12, currently starting at $74,872 (plus any cost of living increases).
GEOGRAPHIC PREFERENCE
Washington Metro Area
POSITION TYPE
Entry Level Attorney
DESIRED APPLICANT TYPE
Current Student, Alumni
LOCATION(S)
City
Washington
State/Province
District of Columbia
Country
United States
COMPENSATION
See description section.
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