HEY CONSERVATARDS: THIS IS WHY INCOME INEQUALITY IS BAD. LEARN!
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Date: February 11th, 2012 6:32 PM Author: slim_shady_man
We have moved from a society in the 1950s and 1960s, in which race was more consequential than family income, to one today in which family income appears more determinative of educational success than race,” said Sean F. Reardon, a Stanford University sociologist. Professor Reardon is the author of a study that found that the gap in standardized test scores between affluent and low-income students had grown by about 40 percent since the 1960s, and is now double the testing gap between blacks and whites.
In another study, by researchers from the University of Michigan, the imbalance between rich and poor children in college completion — the single most important predictor of success in the work force — has grown by about 50 percent since the late 1980s.
The changes are tectonic, a result of social and economic processes unfolding over many decades. The data from most of these studies end in 2007 and 2008, before the recession’s full impact was felt. Researchers said that based on experiences during past recessions, the recent downturn was likely to have aggravated the trend.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/10/education/education-gap-grows-between-rich-and-poor-studies-show.html?pagewanted=all&src=ISMR_AP_LO_MST_FB
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Date: February 11th, 2012 6:34 PM Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,;:,.:,.,.,::,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.
flame. the test score gap was LITERALLY eradicated when obama was elected. the nytimes said so.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/23/education/23gap.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=obama%20test%20scores&st=cse
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Date: February 11th, 2012 7:26 PM Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,;:,.:,.,.,::,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.
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Date: February 12th, 2012 8:51 AM Author: ,...,,.,.,,, , , .. ,,.,.,,...,,.,.,,,..,.,
it looks like NYT mistakenly published an onion article
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Date: February 12th, 2012 10:21 AM Author: .,.,...,..,.,..:,,:,...,:::,.,.,:,.,.:.,:.,:.::,.
i'd bet anything the people who made this study tampered with the results. there's no way someone not committed to the notion that the black IQ gap is mythical would study something like this
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Date: February 12th, 2012 8:57 AM Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,::,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.
wouldn't we WANT the effects of income on test scores to exceed the effects of race?
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Date: February 12th, 2012 9:15 AM Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,::,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.
that's not very responsive. I think the general consensus view is that the menu of jobs available in this country is maldistributed, with a lot of very well-paying jobs that require great qualifications, and a lot of very shitty ones, and it's not clear to me how government's the cause of that. you may point to the minimum wage and regulations, but it also seems to be the case that our workforce isn't educated well enough to do a lot of jobs that pay middle-class wages (while the workforces of nations with better public education are), and that industrially we're kind of backwards (on which, see http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/business/apple-america-and-a-squeezed-middle-class.html?pagewanted=3&_r=2)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1871469&forum_id=2#19948453) |
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Date: February 12th, 2012 9:16 AM Author: Cow goes Moo
I argue for both elimination of gov't in the welfare state AND the regulation/lobbying of business. Someone saying "Assume the first is eliminated but we keep the second, what then?" is retarded because ofcourse there will still be shit effects because you have yet to eliminate the second component.
You Edited so here goes:
"but it also seems to be the case that our workforce isn't educated well enough"
And who runs the education in this country?
Also, the article is proof positive of what I am saying: The Chinese (in this instance) are far more flexible and adept at servicing business needs and are thus rewarded with investment and jobs. Try the same thing in America and you get fooded with red-tape.
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Date: June 14th, 2012 6:14 PM Author: ,;.;,.;.,;.,;.;,.;,.;,.;,.;,.;,.,;.,;.,;.,.;.,;.;,
ironic since the Chinese have taken state capitalism, special interest entrenchment, mercantilist trading policies and Keynesianism to the nth degree.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1871469&forum_id=2#20888206) |
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Date: February 12th, 2012 9:41 AM Author: Cow goes Moo
Listen, if we are going to tango, you need to get your fucking act together.
A) Greek Austerity measures and the effects does not in anyway defend
"markets cannot function without government intervention. Inevitably, the State needs to step in to rectify inevitable distortions in the market that are attributable to the "invisible hand"."
I know what you are trying to say, but that is totaly unrelated. Stick to the topic at hand, stop bouncing around.
B) With respect to Greece, you need to understand; Thanks to the gov't infused boon and distortions, liquidation HAS to occur. The Pain HAS to come. The question is whether you continue shoving it under the rug and making it worse, or cleansing the capital structure and liquidating the debt and getting back on track.
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Date: February 12th, 2012 10:16 AM Author: Cow goes Moo
I see income inequality no different than height inequality, intellegence inequality, etc. Humans are not clones of one another, is that "bad" thing? Moreover, ask yourself this, even if you think income inequality is "bad", straight facts already show that gov't intervention in order to rectify or lower the gap in this inequality have failed, and probably made the gap larger. Why then continute to support such intervention? I cannot change your mind re: inequality being "bad". What I can do however is show you how the only proven method of reducing such inequality is through the free-market absent, or mostly absent, state intervention. One need only look at the shrinking of the gap between the 1600s to the end of the 19th century which was directly linked to a massive eradication of centralized state-power in both Europe and NA.
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Date: June 14th, 2012 7:24 PM Author: sealclubber
people are shitheads.
you trust the market to correct people who don't follow the rules?
you trust the market to correct people who have no ethics if there are no rules?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1871469&forum_id=2#20888634)
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Date: February 12th, 2012 10:14 AM Author: ..,.,.,,,,.,.,..,.,,,.,..,,.,.,,,
There is already a big gap between public and private secondary schools in this country, and the gap is gonna keep growing because of the incentives created by standardized testing. Public schools right now are basically built to produce mediocrity--there is no reason for them to expend resources developing and fostering their high-end students, because they need to put all their time and effort into making sure the shit students pass the tests. They don't get any bonus for producing exceptional students, but they will get shut the fuck down if they can't get their dummies up to a minimum level of competence. Pretty fucked up approach to education IMO.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1871469&forum_id=2#19948517) |
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Date: February 12th, 2012 10:18 AM Author: fixin' to die
eurostyle.
smart, studious ---> college prep.
dumb---> votech.
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Date: February 12th, 2012 10:21 AM Author: fixin' to die
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnasium_%28Germany%29
Common types of gymnasium
[edit] Humanistisches Gymnasium (humanities-oriented)
Representation of Aristoteles at the Joachimsthalsches Gymnasium, a humanities-oriented gymnasium
Memorial for 128 students killed in action in WWI. "To you the laurel in deep gratitude; for us, the shattered sword as a holy reminder."
Humanities-oriented gymnasien usually have a long tradition. They teach Latin and Ancient Greek (sometimes also Old Hebrew) and additionally teach English or French or both. The focus is on the classical antiquity and the civilizations of ancient Greece and ancient Rome.[citation needed]
For certain subjects, such as History, many universities still require the Latinum or the Graecum, proof of study or comprehension of Latin or Ancient Greek, respectively, if not both.[citation needed]
[edit] Neusprachliches Gymnasium (focus on modern languages)
This type of school is less traditional. It teaches at least two modern languages. In most cases the students have the chance to learn Latin as well.[9]
[edit] Mathematisch-Naturwissenschaftliches Gymnasium (focus on math and science)
Often combined with the Neusprachliches Gymnasium this type of schools have a greater focus on Maths and Science. Most schools offer Latin or French as second foreign language.
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Date: February 12th, 2012 10:29 AM Author: ..,.,.,,,,.,.,..,.,,,.,..,,.,.,,,
I basically agree with this, but I would also add that the idea of national standard for education is bullshit in general. I get that NCLB was supposed to level the playing field for all students, which sounds nice, but what it really did was institute a bunch of arbitrary benchmarks (i.e. stuff like "every third grader in the country has to be able to identify George Washington Carver and know that he invented the peanut"--I just made that one up but you get the idea) that fostered a race to mediocrity. The benchmarks don't have any connection to what will help kids succeed in the real world--they're just an amalgamation of bureaucrats' and academics' conception of what kids "should" know at certain ages. Moreover, the standards themselves can be manipulated to improve test scores when necessary.
Generally, schools should be flexible to respond to their communities' needs. If you want to improve education on a statewide or national, I would make stricter teacher licensing standards to try to filter out the dead weight. That's a better angle to fix the problem.
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Date: February 12th, 2012 10:39 AM Author: ..,.,.,,,,.,.,..,.,,,.,..,,.,.,,,
"we need to free high iq kids from stupid peers"
Yes. I went to a public high school in a small city that was mostly lower middle/working class with a few upper middle income students sprinkled in. We had a decent selection of AP classes--nothing like you get in a large, highly-rated suburban district, but still enough that if you were an AP class taker, you basically spent your whole day with other (same) AP students.
The kids in the AP classes were genuinely interested in learning and the atmosphere was one of friendly competition. A few times, however, I had to take a class outside the "AP track" (i.e. health or some bullshit like that). It was shocking to me how awful it was--the teachers were babysitting, not because they wanted to but because their students were so fucking stupid and unmotivated.
You can't fix the fact that some kids are just intrinsically motivated or have good parents who encourage them to learn. That's a cultural/societal problem, not a political one. You can, however, make developing your good students your #1 priority by expending the time and resources necessary to develop them. We used to do that in this country, I think. We don't anymore.
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Date: February 12th, 2012 12:54 PM Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,;:,.:,.,.,::,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.
YOU TAKE THAT BACK
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Date: February 15th, 2012 2:36 PM Author: .....,.,..;;.,;;;....,.,.,,..
Some European countries do straight up vouchers, eg can go to religious schools, votech, college prep, arts, etc. This is the way to go; one size fits all schools are dumb in the 21st century.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1871469&forum_id=2#19969570) |
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Date: February 12th, 2012 10:48 AM Author: ..,.,.,,,,.,.,..,.,,,.,..,,.,.,,,
Yeah man. See my post above re: my thoughts on the stupidity of trying to institute national/statewide testing standards.
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Date: February 12th, 2012 12:49 PM Author: ..,.,...;;..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:..,.,.
how's the weather in aspietarian fantasy land?
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Date: February 15th, 2012 3:02 PM Author: .,.,...,,.,.,.,:.,,:,...,:::,...,.:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.
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Date: April 17th, 2012 9:17 PM Author: ...,,.,..,,..........,,,.,.,....,,....,.........,
Hint: the test gap isn't because of the wealth. It's because they are hard working and not too dumb. Which is also the same reason they are wealthier.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1871469&forum_id=2#20486020) |
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