WHY I OPPOSE THE DEATH PENALTY--Some reflections
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Date: February 25th, 2012 4:50 PM Author: .,.,...,..,..,:,,:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:...:.,:.::,.
It deters that murderer from murdering again, 100% of the time.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20051809) |
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Date: February 25th, 2012 4:53 PM Author: .,.,...,..,..,:,,:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:...:.,:.::,.
AEDPA's a bitch
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20051832) |
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Date: February 25th, 2012 4:58 PM Author: slim_shady_man
check out this 180 AEDPA article I just read
http://scholarship.law.stjohns.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1298&context=lawreview
The modern law of federal habeas corpus is a labyrinth of
counterfactuals and arcane procedural hurdles that few state
petitioners manage to navigate-as Justice Blackmun once
wrote less charitably in dissent, "a Byzantine morass of
arbitrary, unnecessary, and unjustifiable impediments to the
vindication of federal rights."2
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20051878) |
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Date: February 25th, 2012 5:05 PM Author: .,.,...,..,..,:,,:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:...:.,:.::,.
ou'er a fucking cancer to this board ITA
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20051952) |
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Date: February 25th, 2012 4:54 PM Author: .,.,...,..,..,:,,:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:...:.,:.::,.
link to an actually innocent person being executed, tyia
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20051842) |
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Date: February 25th, 2012 4:57 PM Author: slim_shady_man
Cameron Willingham Texas Convicted: 1992, Executed: 2004
After examining evidence from the capital prosecution of Cameron Willingham, four national arson experts have concluded that the original investigation of Willingham's case was flawed, and it is possible the fire was accidental. The independent investigation, reported by the Chicago Tribune, found that prosecutors and arson investigators used arson theories that have since been repudiated by scientific advances. Willingham was executed in 2004 in Texas despite his consistent claims of innocence. He was convicted of murdering his three children in a 1991 house fire.
Arson expert Gerald Hurst said, "There's nothing to suggest to any reasonable arson investigator that this was an arson fire. It was just a fire." Former Louisiana State University fire instructor Kendall Ryland added, "[It] made me sick to think this guy was executed based on this investigation.... They executed this guy and they've just got no idea - at least not scientifically - if he set the fire, or if the fire was even intentionally set."
Willingham was convicted of capital murder after arson investigators concluded that 20 indicators of arson led them to believe that an accelerent had been used to set three separate fires inside his home. Among the only other evidence presented by prosecutors during the the trial was testimony from jailhouse snitch Johnny E. Webb, a drug addict on psychiatric medication, who claimed Willingham had confessed to him in the county jail.
Some of the jurors who convicted Willingham were troubled when told of the new case review. Juror Dorinda Brokofsky asked, "Did anybody know about this prior to his execution? Now I will have to live with this for the rest of my life. Maybe this man was innocent." Prior to the execution, Willingham's defense attorneys presented expert testimony regarding the new arson investigation to the state's highest court, as well as to Texas Governor Rick Perry. No relief was granted and Willingham was executed on February 17, 2004. Coincidentally, less than a year after Willingham's execution, arson evidence presented by some of the same experts who had appealed for relief in Willingham's case helped free Ernest Willis from Texas's death row. The experts noted that the evidence in the Willingham case was nearly identical to the evidence used to exonerate Willis. (Chicago Tribune, December 9, 2004).
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20051871) |
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Date: February 25th, 2012 5:05 PM Author: .,.,...,..,..,:,,:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:...:.,:.::,.
20 indicators of arson = NO PROOF
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Date: February 25th, 2012 5:22 PM Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,,..,:::,...,:..,.:..:.,:.::,.
defendants now required to prove actual innocence to avoid death penalty
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20052083) |
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Date: July 28th, 2012 12:36 AM Author: ..,.,.,.,.,.,::.,.,.,:...::,..,.:.::...:.:.
yes.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#21195706) |
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Date: February 25th, 2012 5:18 PM Author: slim_shady_man
Mumia Abu-Jamal (born Wesley Cook[1] on April 24, 1954) is an American convict, serving a life sentence for the 1981 murder of Philadelphia police officer Daniel Faulkner.[2] He was sentenced to death at his first trial in July 1982, and his case became an international cause célèbre.[3] Before his arrest, he was an activist and radio journalist who became President of the Philadelphia Association of Black Journalists. He was a member of the Black Panther Party until October 1970.
Supporters and opponents disagreed on the appropriateness of the death penalty, his guilt, and whether he received a fair trial.[4][5][6] He was described as "perhaps the world's best known death-row inmate".[7] During his imprisonment he has published several books and other commentaries, notably Live from Death Row (1995).
In 2008, a three-judge panel of the U.S. 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the murder conviction, but ordered a new capital sentencing hearing over concerns that the jury was improperly instructed.[8] Subsequently, the United States Supreme Court allowed his conviction to stand,[8] and ordered the appeals court to reconsider its decision to rescind the death sentence.[9] In 2011, the Third Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed his conviction as well as its decision to vacate the death sentence,[10] and the District Attorney of Philadelphia announced that prosecutors would no longer seek the death penalty.[11] He was removed from death row in January 2012.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20052059) |
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Date: February 25th, 2012 5:51 PM Author: .,.,.,.,.,.....`...,.,.,`.,...,'
underrated
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20052269) |

Date: February 25th, 2012 5:10 PM Author: ..;..,...;..,.,..;..,,;;.,.,.,.,..;.,.,.
should be capital punishment for white collar offenses, where it's more likely to make a difference
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20051999) |

Date: February 25th, 2012 5:39 PM Author: .......,.............;.;;;...;..;
Who really gives a shit about some sps poli sci empirical studies.
Eye for an eye, retribution mother fucker.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20052196) |
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Date: February 25th, 2012 5:52 PM Author: .,.,.,.,.,.....`...,.,.,`.,...,'
*Libs irate*
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20052271) |
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Date: July 27th, 2012 3:50 PM Author: homeless
Nonsense! Those "exonerations" are not findings of innocence. "Most are based on legal errors that have little or nothing to do with guilt."
Hi. I like the death penalty. It fulfills a basic need for society to cleanse itself through revenge.
I used to worry that the error rate was high. Guess what? it isn't.
"As a consequence of the sensitivity of the criminal justice system to the due-process rights of defendants sentenced to death, almost two-thirds of all death sentences are overturned. See ibid. “Virtually none” of these reversals, however, are attributable to a defendant’s “ ‘actual innocence.’ ” Ibid. Most are based on legal errors that have little or nothing to do with guilt. See id., at 519–520. The studies cited by the dissent demonstrate nothing more."
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/04-1170.ZC.html
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#21191437) |
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Date: July 27th, 2012 8:27 PM Author: .,.,,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::.,...,:,.,.:...:.,,.::,
cr
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#21193885) |

Date: May 9th, 2012 12:55 PM Author: .,..,,,.....,,,,,,,,.............
The death penalty exists because of Charles Manson and Tim McVeigh.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#20653016) |

Date: July 27th, 2012 3:47 PM Author: homeless Subject: Non existent error rate with death penalty
Hi. I like the death penalty. It fulfills a basic need for society to cleanse itself through revenge.
I used to worry that the error rate was high. Guess what? it isn't.
"As a consequence of the sensitivity of the criminal justice system to the due-process rights of defendants sentenced to death, almost two-thirds of all death sentences are overturned. See ibid. “Virtually none” of these reversals, however, are attributable to a defendant’s “ ‘actual innocence.’ ” Ibid. Most are based on legal errors that have little or nothing to do with guilt. See id., at 519–520. The studies cited by the dissent demonstrate nothing more."
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/04-1170.ZC.html
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#21191416) |

Date: July 27th, 2012 10:37 PM Author: &^$*(* (And this hollow feeling grows, it grows it grows it grows)
I don't believe that retribution should be a principle in administering justice, even if the prisoner morally deserves it, because this then becomes an inconsistent basis for determining a rightful punishment. A psychopath who guns down an innocent person, heinous as the act is, contributes much less to the overall misery of people than, say, a crooked Wall Street trader. Yet most people wouldn't argue for the latter to be put to death. Then we also have to start factoring in historical grievances, where proper compensation to victims is vague in its practicalities, and may be politically unpopular as well.
The goal should really be to remove dangerous people from society, and to help arrange a reasonable financial compensation when required. Helping the victims find 'closure' through the death penalty or whatever shouldn't be a part of a modern justice system.
Plus the state should restrict the amount of situations in which it finds itself having to enforce highly subjective and emotionally palatable decisions.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#21194746) |
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Date: July 27th, 2012 10:49 PM Author: &^$*(* (And this hollow feeling grows, it grows it grows it grows)
Yes, and its almost always a childish fantasy. I don't know how I'd feel if someone committed a crime on my family that was generally considered worthy of the death penalty, but the court should not exist to satisfy my personal revenge fantasy. It's there to enforce laws based on what is right for society as whole, otherwise, as I said, people could legitimately call for severe punishments in cases where we normally wouldn't find it warranted. There is always going to be a huge discrepancy between how the victim feels, and what the actual punishment is, to the point where, to me, it seems like an absurd basis for sentencing someone.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883155&forum_id=2#21194807) |
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