what's the WORST post-biglaw employment you've heard of?
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Date: May 31st, 2012 10:54 PM
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summon tmf
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1960955&forum_id=2#20802732) |
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Date: May 31st, 2012 11:05 PM
Author: .,,..,..,.,..:,,:,...,:::,.,.,:,.,.:.,:.,:.,:,
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1960955&forum_id=2#20802818) |
Date: May 31st, 2012 11:05 PM
Author: .,.,..,...,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,.,.:..:.,:.:
biglaw breaks a lot of very smart, talented people, it is sad
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1960955&forum_id=2#20802816) |
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Date: May 31st, 2012 11:05 PM
Author: .,.,....,.,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,....,:,.,.:...,:.::,
see, i'm starting to think they're are other ways to success
http://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1960584&mc=9&forum_id=2
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1960955&forum_id=2#20802820) |
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Date: May 31st, 2012 11:06 PM
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is this pumo fellow COA clerk
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1960955&forum_id=2#20802828) |
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Date: May 31st, 2012 11:07 PM
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nffi
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1960955&forum_id=2#20802843) |
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Date: May 31st, 2012 11:10 PM
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no that's me
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1960955&forum_id=2#20802859) |
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Date: May 31st, 2012 11:12 PM
Author: .,.,....,.,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,....,:,.,.:...,:.::,
yeah, fair. i'm no coa clerk
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1960955&forum_id=2#20802874) |
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Date: May 31st, 2012 11:12 PM
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tragic
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1960955&forum_id=2#20802880) |
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Date: May 31st, 2012 11:16 PM
Author: .,.,....,.,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,....,:,.,.:...,:.::,
hey, i tried not that hard. i suck pretty bad though
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1960955&forum_id=2#20802921) |
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Date: May 31st, 2012 11:17 PM
Author: .,.,....,.,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,....,:,.,.:...,:.::,
i have a funny story about two coa clerks i know though. basically both decided they didn't need to put up with biglaw shit and left. i admire them
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1960955&forum_id=2#20802934) |
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Date: May 31st, 2012 11:19 PM
Author: .,.,..,...,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,.,.:..:.,:.:
fair to say that about 75% of COA clerks and YLS grads bail on biglaw after a few years
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1960955&forum_id=2#20802943) |
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Date: May 31st, 2012 11:20 PM
Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,:.:,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.
where do we go when we bail; why haven't you
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1960955&forum_id=2#20802951) |
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Date: May 31st, 2012 11:25 PM
Author: .,.,..,...,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,.,.:..:.,:.:
i did consider it, i was planning on it, i was jsut gonna clerk again and then do whatever, but meandered into a biglaw job that pays market, is really easy and the partner said to me "just bill 1500 hours a year and write a law review article."
COA clerks often bail because they go to hypercompetitive superprestigious firms where the expectations can never be met and good organizers from T14 schools with more common sense dominate the case management skills and the SCOTUS/FEEDER clerks dominate the brief writing.
These COA clerks usually say, fuck this, and go to boutiques or AUSA or in house or teach or whatever. Most would never consider going to a low tier vault firm like the one I am at.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1960955&forum_id=2#20802998) |
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Date: May 31st, 2012 11:27 PM
Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,:.:,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.
why does the partner want a law review article? what do lesser coa clerks end up doing, if it's neither case management nor brief writing? just shit work?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1960955&forum_id=2#20803014) |
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Date: May 31st, 2012 11:33 PM
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partner wants his name on the article so he looks scholarly and he thinks it helps with bus dev.
coa clerks do both, like any other associate at these firms. the problem is that the guys who did not clerk and graduated top of their class at USC are often really fucking good at case management, staying on top of shit, navigating the biglaw firm, and are also good enough at brief writing. some smart COA clerks are just too smart for their own good and lack common sense and are poor at case management and poor at writing briefs in the way a partner wants them to be written. and up to a certain level brief writing is all the same, no one can tell. a lot of these COA clerks and YLS grads just dont have the gunner grinder striver mentality necessary to do what it takes to succeed in biglaw. a large part of working at these super prestigious firms is carefully navigating through a minefield of vicious partners, bounced filings, typos, missed deadlines, bad first impressions, etc.
the really sharp super geniuses though can bang out briefs in no time and make them sing and all that shit and are just clearly better than anyone else's stuff. these people are very rare though.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1960955&forum_id=2#20803064) |
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Date: May 31st, 2012 11:36 PM
Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,:.:,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.
if i don't get dedicated appellate, though, i'll still get lots of chances to write briefs in general lit?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1960955&forum_id=2#20803094) |
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Date: May 31st, 2012 11:40 PM
Author: .,.,..,...,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,.,.:..:.,:.:
yeah. you can probably do the same path I did (on accident) which is hang in there at a prestigious firm then lateral down to a lower tier mega-firm firm where u are the egghead brief writer type. from there u can market yourself to partners in all the various offices and offer your services as a briefwriting bro. i actually prefer writing motions to dismiss etc over appellate briefs because most of my appellate briefs involve copying and pasting the district court's order and our own briefing before the court, and is pretty dull.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1960955&forum_id=2#20803141) |
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Date: May 31st, 2012 11:45 PM
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why not just start out at the lower tier mega firm-firm and be the resident egghead from day one
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1960955&forum_id=2#20803202) |
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Date: May 31st, 2012 11:53 PM
Author: .,.,..,...,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,.,.:..:.,:.:
the greatest benefit of working at a super prestigious firm if u can get one is that you will learn a ton. i did. about case management, discovery, about writing, about how to approach a problem in a case, just a billion different things, but writing too. people will shit all over your briefs and redline the fuck out of them and explain why they changed a sentence or whatever, and just really make u a better brief writer. you need to learn that, because it is not taught in law school and not something you learn clerking (bench memos and opinions are totally different style of writing).
you learn how much time to spend on certain arguments, structure, what not to say, what works with partners and what doesn't, the art of intros, etc... just a lot of stuff that isn't necessarily intellectual but part of the art of writing a good brief. for example, once a partner gave me back comments and said "This introduction SUCKS. This is why . . . . and this is what you do instead ...." And another time he called and screamed at me saying "why did you put this in the declaration instead of that? Stupid, the court will notice, the opposing will notice and this will fuck us." Small anecdotes but hopefully you get the picture.
if you have westlaw, look up a motion to dismiss written by Munger Tolles and compare it to one written by Sheppard Mullin on the same topic and you will get a sense for what I mean.
anyway, you need to learn all that stuff before you make your move over to the bottom tier amlaw 100 firm because u will lose all learning, u will basically stagnate in terms of writing skills. you wont learn shit. if you go there as a first year, you will learn bad habits and your briefs will look as shitty as everyone else's and you won't stand out. to be fair, at the bottom tier mega firm people often cant recognize quality of argument, or wont get it, but they usually are able to see that a brief is well-structured and not full of run on sentences and pointless clunky rhethoric in a way they are not used to seeing.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1960955&forum_id=2#20803312) |
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Date: May 31st, 2012 11:55 PM
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why can't people at a bottom tier amlaw 100 tell a good argument from a bad one?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1960955&forum_id=2#20803334) |
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Date: June 1st, 2012 12:04 AM
Author: .,.,..,...,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,.,.:..:.,:.:
i used to think that after a certain minimum level of intelligence it is really hard to tell any difference at all in legal reasoning skills for biglaw purposes until you meet those tippity top genius types. but a lot of people just miss the boat for whatever reason, idk what it is, but like, they cant understand that the merits is different issue than the minimal article III standing inquiry, or that looking at a privilege log saying x sent letter to y doesnt mean y read x and you cant draw a negative inference, etc.. just off top of my head. there are even more egregious examples but hopefully u get the picture. often times it doesnt matter, particularly in fed ct, b/c the clerks and judge usually come to the right decision as long as u colorably raise the argument.
other things are like, saying shit that is dismissive of the court's prior ruling, making nearly baseless motions, making baseless arguments that cause you to lose credibility with the judge, getting too hot with ad hominems in a motion you write the first time before judge in new case, etc...
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1960955&forum_id=2#20803439) |
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Date: June 1st, 2012 12:25 AM
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I guess this doesn't surprise me. I spent two summers interning for coa judges and I read maybe 2 good briefs in that span, one of which was written by sidley's second best appellate lawyer.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1960955&forum_id=2#20803614) |
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Date: May 31st, 2012 11:21 PM
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one guy is looking for legit appellate--robbins russell or whatever--and won't do anything else. his firm is aware that he is looking. the other went to a dc d. ct. after being at ___, coming from 9th circuit.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1960955&forum_id=2#20802959) |
Date: May 31st, 2012 11:44 PM
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The obvious answer is unemployed/living at home with parents.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1960955&forum_id=2#20803193) |
Date: May 31st, 2012 11:46 PM
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doc review or being a TMF
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1960955&forum_id=2#20803212) |
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Date: May 31st, 2012 11:48 PM
Author: .,,..,..,.,..:,,:,...,:::,.,.,:,.,.:.,:.,:.,:,
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1960955&forum_id=2#20803244) |
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Date: May 31st, 2012 11:48 PM
Author: .,.,....,.,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,....,:,.,.:...,:.::,
i've been meaning to ask you mnd, can i rent out tmf's parking garage space and live there for a few weeks?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1960955&forum_id=2#20803245) |
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Date: May 31st, 2012 11:51 PM
Author: .,.,....,.,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,....,:,.,.:...,:.::,
please pass request along to tmf
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1960955&forum_id=2#20803273) |
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Date: June 5th, 2012 1:25 AM
Author: .,,.,.,.,,,,,.......,.,,
describe said gig....in a large city?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1960955&forum_id=2#20827854) |
Date: June 5th, 2012 1:25 AM
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doc review, of course, which is worse than shitlaw
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1960955&forum_id=2#20827859) |
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