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Too many people are going to college.

No more than 10% of the population gets any use from a unive...
............,...............,.....,.;;;;;;....  06/01/12
Yeah! Instead of going to "college," they should j...
...,.,.,.,....,.,.,.,.  06/01/12
Learn a real skill. Join the military, police, firefighters...
............,...............,.....,.;;;;;;....  06/01/12
All of that stuff is tied to either government budgets that ...
Thick Blatina mami wearing hoochie hoops  06/01/12
Yeah, well the same is true for college!
............,...............,.....,.;;;;;;....  06/01/12
Not when colleges cop dat student loan money. But hey, telli...
Thick Blatina mami wearing hoochie hoops  06/01/12
So many students have it that it's no longer a useful signal...
............,...............,.....,.;;;;;;....  06/01/12
That's because they're slashing the number of jerbs on offer...
Thick Blatina mami wearing hoochie hoops  06/01/12
Jobs are there, college students just don't have the skills.
............,...............,.....,.;;;;;;....  06/01/12
The "skills" being "must have nine years expe...
Thick Blatina mami wearing hoochie hoops  06/01/12
Tough luck. Figure out a way to market yourself.
............,...............,.....,.;;;;;;....  06/01/12
Yeah, like forging a resume. You never fail to impress.
Thick Blatina mami wearing hoochie hoops  06/01/12
I didn't say that. How's about figuring out a way to sell w...
............,...............,.....,.;;;;;;....  06/01/12
I think lying on my resume to a company that demands more ex...
Thick Blatina mami wearing hoochie hoops  06/01/12
Look for another company.
............,...............,.....,.;;;;;;....  06/01/12
Oh, this sort of thing is catching on.
Thick Blatina mami wearing hoochie hoops  06/01/12
No the skilled trades thing is legit. It is legitimately a b...
................ ...  06/01/12
The trades are in the toilet because the real estate market ...
Thick Blatina mami wearing hoochie hoops  06/01/12
It might not be a golden ticket but it's still better than c...
................ ...  06/01/12
Virtually all of the top growth sectors require very advance...
Thick Blatina mami wearing hoochie hoops  06/01/12
Please describe these advanced soft skills.
............,...............,.....,.;;;;;;....  06/01/12
Budgeting, negotiating, motivating a group of people. The so...
Thick Blatina mami wearing hoochie hoops  06/01/12
Right, but we're talking about stuff you learn in college. I...
................ ...  06/01/12
These courses are taught but it's not what most students are...
Thick Blatina mami wearing hoochie hoops  06/01/12
*takes negotiation 101 from a career academic* *pwns at l...
................ ...  06/01/12
You can only learn these things on the job. That's why we s...
............,...............,.....,.;;;;;;....  06/01/12
Not happening. American companies are giving up completely w...
Thick Blatina mami wearing hoochie hoops  06/01/12
That's why I'd suggest government intervention to incentiviz...
............,...............,.....,.;;;;;;....  06/01/12
Companies are not going to put up with the government tellin...
Thick Blatina mami wearing hoochie hoops  06/01/12
Tax the companies that don't participate, subsidize the ones...
............,...............,.....,.;;;;;;....  06/01/12
*gobbles up you're incentive grants* *keeps doing same th...
Thick Blatina mami wearing hoochie hoops  06/01/12
If the US had something like the German system, we wouldn't ...
............,...............,.....,.;;;;;;....  06/01/12
People still make very good money as plumbers and welders an...
................ ...  06/01/12
"There are plenty of good jobs for people who aren't sc...
LathamTouchedMe  06/01/12
Part of this has been *because* of the mad scramble for coll...
............,...............,.....,.;;;;;;....  06/01/12
cr. But kids are brought up being told that every one of th...
Joe Ronimoe  06/01/12
MFCR
............,...............,.....,.;;;;;;....  06/01/12
There's some truth to this. My brother is a truck driver...
The Mighty Thor  06/01/12
What's insane is that I would have been better off being an ...
...,,.,..,,..........,,,.,.,....,,....,.........,  06/01/12
That's true for lots of kids. Do you still owe student loan...
............,...............,.....,.;;;;;;....  06/01/12
Well, let's be honest here. if you owned your own busine...
The Mighty Thor  06/01/12
not making 6 figures is pretty hard after biglaw
..,.,;..;...;:..;.,...;..,..:.,....  06/01/12
depends on how long you're in biglaw. i left after 1.5 y...
The Mighty Thor  06/01/12
Apprenticeships would be a good idea for the middle-of-the-b...
............,...............,.....,.;;;;;;....  06/01/12
I think Germany has a big time apprenticeship government pro...
The Mighty Thor  06/01/12
The German system is something like what I'm thinking of. T...
............,...............,.....,.;;;;;;....  06/01/12
(socialist)
rot13dood  06/01/12
(tard who doesn't understand what socialist means)
.,.,,..,,,..,,.,.,,..,,,..,,.,.,.,..,.,.,.,,.,,.,.  06/01/12
If you want no government intervention in the market, I'd be...
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this
The Mighty Thor  06/01/12
too many people are making stupid threads.
...,.,.,.,....,.,.,.,.  06/01/12
Germany does this.
FedDude  06/01/12
Not 10% but no more than 20%. There is enough need for CS p...
.,.,..,,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,.,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.  06/01/12
CS people, accountants, and teachers should go to trade scho...
............,...............,.....,.;;;;;;....  06/01/12
Too many colleges.
solace and wallace  06/01/12
Reduce the demand, the supply will drop too.
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Date: June 1st, 2012 9:07 AM
Author: ............,...............,.....,.;;;;;;....

No more than 10% of the population gets any use from a university education.

The rest should be packed off to jobs training programs. Learn to build a fucking car, Detroit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20804743)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 9:08 AM
Author: ...,.,.,.,....,.,.,.,.

Yeah! Instead of going to "college," they should just go get jobs!

oh wait..

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20804753)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 9:27 AM
Author: ............,...............,.....,.;;;;;;....

Learn a real skill. Join the military, police, firefighters, etc. Get your plumber's license. There are plenty of good jobs for people who aren't scared of hard work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20804850)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 9:39 AM
Author: Thick Blatina mami wearing hoochie hoops

All of that stuff is tied to either government budgets that are in the process of disintegrating, or to our SPS real estate market.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20804901)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 9:40 AM
Author: ............,...............,.....,.;;;;;;....

Yeah, well the same is true for college!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20804908)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 9:49 AM
Author: Thick Blatina mami wearing hoochie hoops

Not when colleges cop dat student loan money. But hey, telling kids to forgo a useful signal for employers is great advice.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20804956)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 9:51 AM
Author: ............,...............,.....,.;;;;;;....

So many students have it that it's no longer a useful signal for employers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20804963)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 9:54 AM
Author: Thick Blatina mami wearing hoochie hoops

That's because they're slashing the number of jerbs on offer in the first place.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20804983)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 9:55 AM
Author: ............,...............,.....,.;;;;;;....

Jobs are there, college students just don't have the skills.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20804985)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 9:57 AM
Author: Thick Blatina mami wearing hoochie hoops

The "skills" being "must have nine years experience with Ruby on Rails".

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20804997)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 5:18 PM
Author: ............,...............,.....,.;;;;;;....

Tough luck. Figure out a way to market yourself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20807484)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 5:21 PM
Author: Thick Blatina mami wearing hoochie hoops

Yeah, like forging a resume. You never fail to impress.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20807505)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 5:31 PM
Author: ............,...............,.....,.;;;;;;....

I didn't say that. How's about figuring out a way to sell what you do have?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20807555)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 5:37 PM
Author: Thick Blatina mami wearing hoochie hoops

I think lying on my resume to a company that demands more experience with a technology than the length of time it has existed is a valid signalling device.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20807581)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 5:39 PM
Author: ............,...............,.....,.;;;;;;....

Look for another company.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20807594)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 5:44 PM
Author: Thick Blatina mami wearing hoochie hoops

Oh, this sort of thing is catching on.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20807634)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 5:21 PM
Author: ................ ...

No the skilled trades thing is legit. It is legitimately a better choice than college right now for the vast majority of people.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20807504)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 5:26 PM
Author: Thick Blatina mami wearing hoochie hoops

The trades are in the toilet because the real estate market is still doing so badly and it will implode further if more people go into it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20807528)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 5:26 PM
Author: ................ ...

It might not be a golden ticket but it's still better than college.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20807530)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 5:33 PM
Author: Thick Blatina mami wearing hoochie hoops

Virtually all of the top growth sectors require very advanced training, computer skills, soft skills, and the like. This isn't 19th century Chicago anymore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20807563)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 5:35 PM
Author: ............,...............,.....,.;;;;;;....

Please describe these advanced soft skills.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20807574)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 5:43 PM
Author: Thick Blatina mami wearing hoochie hoops

Budgeting, negotiating, motivating a group of people. The sort of thing even top leaders have failed at repeatedly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20807626)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 5:44 PM
Author: ................ ...

Right, but we're talking about stuff you learn in college. I.e., not that stuff.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20807631)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 5:47 PM
Author: Thick Blatina mami wearing hoochie hoops

These courses are taught but it's not what most students are choosing on their own.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20807657)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 5:49 PM
Author: ................ ...

*takes negotiation 101 from a career academic*

*pwns at life*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20807674)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 5:44 PM
Author: ............,...............,.....,.;;;;;;....

You can only learn these things on the job. That's why we should be getting more people into jobs out of high school and training them as they work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20807635)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 5:51 PM
Author: Thick Blatina mami wearing hoochie hoops

Not happening. American companies are giving up completely with on the job training because they are getting skilled enough people out of the university system and will keep pushing on that, and making the grads do 2/3/4 people's jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20807683)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 5:57 PM
Author: ............,...............,.....,.;;;;;;....

That's why I'd suggest government intervention to incentivize job training. Most of this market distortion is due to government intervention, so some corrective action is overdue.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20807726)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 6:08 PM
Author: Thick Blatina mami wearing hoochie hoops

Companies are not going to put up with the government telling them who to hire. And this sort of thing has been set up with many education systems inside and outside the US and that is always what happens, the company makes sure it has no obligation to hire them. They are happy with the status quo.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20807786)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 6:09 PM
Author: ............,...............,.....,.;;;;;;....

Tax the companies that don't participate, subsidize the ones that do. They'll figure out the bottom line soon enough.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20807790)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 6:10 PM
Author: Thick Blatina mami wearing hoochie hoops

*gobbles up you're incentive grants*

*keeps doing same thing anyway*

*lolz at angry letter from Labor Department*

*letters stop coming after threats to move to China*

But, more seriously, companies already do get subsidize workers in the form of college grads.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20807802)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 6:13 PM
Author: ............,...............,.....,.;;;;;;....

If the US had something like the German system, we wouldn't have these problems.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20807825)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 5:42 PM
Author: ................ ...

People still make very good money as plumbers and welders and stuff. They aren't growth sectors, but there is a labor shortage in them because too many people are irrationally going to college. So, for those who get into these fields, it will basically be like being in a growth sector.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20807616)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 9:57 AM
Author: LathamTouchedMe

"There are plenty of good jobs for people who aren't scared of hard work."

The problem is that the number of decent blue collar jobs is rapidly shrinking. Cities and towns that were once solidly blue-collar middle-class are devolving into second-world dumps.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20804999)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 5:18 PM
Author: ............,...............,.....,.;;;;;;....

Part of this has been *because* of the mad scramble for college education.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20807490)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 5:21 PM
Author: Joe Ronimoe

cr. But kids are brought up being told that every one of them can be a Doctor, Lawyer, Astronaut, President...whatever.

However, only a small percent have the innate intelligence/motivation/reason to actually do these things. But, b/c every idiot can cry discrimination for some fucking reason, they get into the professions and now America blows......Thanks Jesse Jackson and Elizabeth "Spotted Cunt" Warren

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20807503)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 5:32 PM
Author: ............,...............,.....,.;;;;;;....

MFCR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20807557)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 9:29 AM
Author: The Mighty Thor (Had to be done)

There's some truth to this.

My brother is a truck driver and they are ALWAYS looking for people with the specialized license. Most of the big companies (UPS, FedEx, etc.) pay a decent wage.

The bottom of the barrel kids at shit colleges should probably be looking at this type of work. But most think it's below them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20804857)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 9:32 AM
Author: ...,,.,..,,..........,,,.,.,....,,....,.........,

What's insane is that I would have been better off being an electrician instead of going to a t14 law school, even though I make low six figures.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20804867)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 9:35 AM
Author: ............,...............,.....,.;;;;;;....

That's true for lots of kids. Do you still owe student loans?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20804888)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 9:36 AM
Author: The Mighty Thor (Had to be done)

Well, let's be honest here.

if you owned your own business, yes, your statement is true.

if you were a union type of guy, no.

at the same time, you probably won't be making six figures forever, unless you land something inhouse after biglaw.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20804892)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 10:16 AM
Author: ..,.,;..;...;:..;.,...;..,..:.,....

not making 6 figures is pretty hard after biglaw

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20805087)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 10:19 AM
Author: The Mighty Thor (Had to be done)

depends on how long you're in biglaw.

i left after 1.5 years. i went bigfed and didn't get 100k when i started.

i'm doing well now though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20805099)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 9:35 AM
Author: ............,...............,.....,.;;;;;;....

Apprenticeships would be a good idea for the middle-of-the-barrel kids. Essentially, you work an internship with the first year subsidized by the government and earn benefits in subsequent years based on job performance.

Schools should also be forced to cap tuition if they accept federal loans.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20804882)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 9:37 AM
Author: The Mighty Thor (Had to be done)

I think Germany has a big time apprenticeship government program?

I agree with your second statement.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20804894)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 9:40 AM
Author: ............,...............,.....,.;;;;;;....

The German system is something like what I'm thinking of. They have the University of Applied Sciences, which focuses exclusively on professional skills.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20804905)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 9:38 AM
Author: rot13dood

(socialist)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20804895)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 9:41 AM
Author: .,.,,..,,,..,,.,.,,..,,,..,,.,.,.,..,.,.,.,,.,,.,.

(tard who doesn't understand what socialist means)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20804910)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 9:41 AM
Author: ............,...............,.....,.;;;;;;....

If you want no government intervention in the market, I'd be fine with that too. But I don't think most kids paid out of pocket for college, nor did they obtain loans at market rates.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20804911)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 9:56 AM
Author: The Mighty Thor (Had to be done)

this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20804990)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 9:52 AM
Author: ...,.,.,.,....,.,.,.,.

too many people are making stupid threads.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20804969)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 11:40 AM
Author: FedDude

Germany does this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20805480)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 5:39 PM
Author: .,.,..,,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,.,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.

Not 10% but no more than 20%. There is enough need for CS people, accountants, teachers, doctors, etc. that 20% would benefit. A good 50% of the population should have AA degrees in some trade. 95% of Liberal arts should be eliminated.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20807596)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 5:40 PM
Author: ............,...............,.....,.;;;;;;....

CS people, accountants, and teachers should go to trade schools.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20807600)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 6:13 PM
Author: solace and wallace (Let Ambient In!)

Too many colleges.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20807833)



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Date: June 1st, 2012 6:14 PM
Author: ............,...............,.....,.;;;;;;....

Reduce the demand, the supply will drop too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1961198&forum_id=2#20807844)