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Libertarians Don't Understand Property Rights
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Date: June 25th, 2012 12:02 PM
The problem with this conception of self-ownership is that when one looks to the realities on the ground, self-ownership manifests itself on through the latent exploitation of the working labor in society: for A to exploit B, B must already be the rightful owner of what is transferred. |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 2:24 PM |
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Date: June 26th, 2012 8:49 PM |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 1:15 PM |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 4:17 PM
Your summary is also supported by recent examples where rich libertarians tried to buy certain pacific islands and declare independence and were quickly "invaded" by the Fiji army who told them to get the fuck out of there. Their claims to the islands vanished in the cool Pacific breeze in the face of the mighty Fiji Military. |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 5:28 PM |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 6:17 PM
this is the point i always make in these fucktarded libertariantard wankfests, where someone always claims that all the wealthy people will abscond with their fortunes to some island, if they are ever asked by any gov't to pay tax.
the free market doesn't exist. brute force is the only currency that matters. |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 6:18 PM |
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Date: July 12th, 2012 10:53 AM |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 4:21 PM |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 5:59 PM
the poast you are responding to is a complete misstatement of libertarian ideals. |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 6:07 PM
http://www.cato.org/people/nobel-index.html
Tell me, what do you know about them, moron? |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 5:17 PM
And I don't see why only the government can only provide those services (why are they some special exemption to capitalism> socialism?). People will pay for protection, law and order and so they WILL exist. |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 5:53 PM
You - not dead. Guy next door - has more stuff. |
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Date: July 15th, 2012 11:46 AM
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Date: June 25th, 2012 6:24 PM
And the problem with this 'critique' of the Libertarian perspective is that can be invoked to justify every conceivable government policy re: private property - from Soviet/Nazi-style collectivism to quasi-anarcho-libertarianism - in equal measure. It basically boils down to a restatement of "Don't like our policies? Well fuck you, we make the rules so show fealty or else go take a bullet in the head out in the 'natural order'"
So it may or may not be an accurate summation of any given government's stance at any given historical moment from a descriptive perspective, but it is completely unhelpful from a normative perspective because it is totally neutral as between alternative competing policies at best, downright nihilistic as to the possibility for any change in the status quo at worst - and given that history has proven time and again that governments are in a constant process of rising/falling/evolving and will in fact ultimately be responsible to the people who either choose to continue to live under them or overthrow them, this is a pretty superficial and one-dimensional way of looking at the issue.
In other words, you're kind of a wrong dumb faggot (as usual.) |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 4:09 PM |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 4:27 PM |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 5:12 PM |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 6:28 PM
No faggot, don't you get it? A pumo told you you are wrong and dumb, so that alone makes you a faggot. Now eat shit and retire because you clearly got pwned. |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:06 PM |
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Date: June 28th, 2012 7:22 PM |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 8:35 PM |
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Date: June 26th, 2012 3:15 PM
The basic idea of property is everyone in the world consenting to not use X without the owner of X's permission. So how can anyone justly acquire anything without the consent of the whole world? Even if you buy the transitive justice argument (which I don't) it's all fundamentally flawed and further irredeemably flawed by the failure to gain the consent of the unborn.
It's just useful way of allocating stuff. |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 4:33 PM
One should probably delight in the exploitation of the common labor of retard proles, but I don't see how failing to recognize it even counts as a lack of understanding of property rights. |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 4:36 PM |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 5:16 PM |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 6:18 PM
it is not contradictory to note that to make a certain logical sequence work you must resort to a non-primary use of moral language, that's called being an overly literal dick |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 6:33 PM |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 6:36 PM
that doesn't mean it is true or that denying it is true is untenable, it means that logic requires assumptions of truth that may or may not actually exist |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 6:01 PM |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:09 PM |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 6:03 PM
i suspect that a true libertarian society would inevitably end up much like central america during the later spanish empire period, in which you have a few dozen "ruling families" who own almost all of the landbase, with a huge peasant class just trying to keep up on their rent payments. |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 6:04 PM |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 6:49 PM |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 9:08 PM |
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Date: June 26th, 2012 3:24 PM |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 6:08 PM |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 6:09 PM
Tell me, what do you know about them, moron? |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 6:14 PM |
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Date: June 25th, 2012 6:23 PM
"As correct rules of inference are truth-preserving, and any conclusion deduced via repeated application of such rules from only true premisses is itself true, so the means of transition from one situation to another specified by the principle of justice in transfer are justice-preserving, and any situation actually arising from repeated transitions in accordance with the principle from a just situation is itself just. " |
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