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Why the fuck do libs think that EVERYONE should have health care
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Date: June 29th, 2012 9:27 AM
You can get better health care today by reading the Mayo clinic website than the best health care 50 years ago. So things are pretty good overall.
But no, everyone must have everything and it must be forced upon everyone. I don't like where technology and statism are taking us. We are going to be slaves.
EDIT: Libs please answer this hypo: What if we invented something tomorrow that cures everything and makes sure we all live to 90 but it costs $20 million per person. Please tell me what should be done in this situation. |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 9:28 AM |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 9:34 AM |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 9:38 AM |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 9:41 AM
Touche brother, touche. |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 9:42 AM |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 9:43 AM |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 9:44 AM |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 9:58 AM |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 2:03 PM |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:59 PM
Recall, if you will, when Obama brought the "unlimited amount" problem into the public discussion. He was accused of instituting death panels by the Republican nominee for Vice President. |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 9:29 AM |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 9:29 AM |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 9:34 AM |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 10:15 AM
Do you think this country would be better if we let segments of American society fall to abysmal levels of poverty, e.g. India, Sub-saharan Africa?
Also a serious question. |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 2:01 PM |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 9:37 AM |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 9:59 AM |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 10:02 AM |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 10:03 AM
would you actually want to live in a democracy?
did you fail 7th grade civics? |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 10:13 AM |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 9:29 AM |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 9:57 AM |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 10:35 AM |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 10:17 AM |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 9:44 AM |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 9:48 AM |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 10:16 AM |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 11:24 AM |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 9:46 AM
I was talking to my friend, and I used the "boomers booking tickets to Punta Cana with a briefcase full of Viagra." And, he asked if the health care bill covered viagra. I said, "I think so, but I am not sure." Does anyone have a credible source that states the health care bill covers viagra? I did google searches, but I keep on getting some amendment to keep criminals from getting it. |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 9:50 AM |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 10:13 AM |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 9:46 AM |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 9:48 AM |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 9:50 AM |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 9:52 AM
With obamacare, "base level" = very fucking expensive and comprehensive |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 9:52 AM |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 10:00 AM |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 10:00 AM
There was a great story a few years back of a wealthy European industrialist who tried to open a factory somewhere in the South. He laughed at the notion that somehow the US was a great tax haven for "job creators." He pointed out that while he had a property tax abatement and enjoyed a low effective corporate tax rate, healthcare costs were essentially a 25% tax. Maybe if we looked at healthcare costs as a giant tax reptiles would finally get off their asses and recognize the gravity of the problem. |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 10:03 AM |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 10:07 AM
Obamacare does not keep costs down. Obamacare does not keep costs down. It does absolutely nothing to keep costs down. It takes the current system, and it keeps every single one of its terrible features and even makes them worse. It gets everyone covered, which is nice. But it takes a bad system, keeps the bad parts and makes them worse, and brings everyone in on it along with major subsidies to make sure that we have enough money to keep making things worse.
Switzerland spends 10.8% of GDP on health care compared to our 17%. What do they do right? Well, 33% of their spending is out of pocket. That means there is a market for services and people actually care about cost. In comparison, we spend 12% out of pocket. Big difference.
It's nice that everyone is covered. It's nice that olds and poors have to pay less, not so nice that working young people have to pay for that directly. But one thing Obamacare does not do is address the cost issue. It makes it worse. |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 10:10 AM |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 10:12 AM
The important point here is that OBAMACARE DOES NOT KEEP COSTS DOWN. Get that into your libtarded brain. |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 10:15 AM
DESCRIBE, if you would. |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 10:17 AM |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 10:26 AM |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 10:30 AM |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 10:35 AM
B) What other countries implement cannot in a million years be expected to have the same effects there as it would here.
For example;
1. Show me official statistics of the annual percentage of malpractice lawsuits in USA vs. Switzerland. (I wonder if the Swiss have as many as we have here, including the frivolous ones that still cost money).
2. How about statistics of obesity in America vs. Switzerland.
3. As of 2008 Switzerland is No. 7 in the top of the least govt. corruption. USA is shown as No. 17 and falling. Corruption leads to fraud. Fraud and unaccountability lead to massive loss of money, money that the tax payers have to pay, just so that the "chunky" bureaucrats don't have to lower their standard of living.
4. How about statistics of how many "parasites" does Switzerland have compared to America? You know, those that are able to but do not want to work, are not productive in the society, and don't pay into the system yet they benefit from it. I would want the editor to look me up in the eyes and dare to tell me that Switzerland has as many welfare and section 8 housing dependents as America has.
5. How about heart attacks, strokes, and other high risk conditions that are the result of a sedentary and poor lifestyle? How is it in both countries and how it compares from one to another?
6. How many illegals do they have in Switzerland that are covered under the system?
(c/p) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 10:46 AM |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 4:05 PM |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 10:24 AM -mandatory comprehensive coverage (no out of pocket spending, no selection of coverages) -socialization of insurance premiums (not enough ability to adjust for risk profile e.g. age, obesity) -no artificial cost control mechanisms (not a free marketeers favorite thing but some could be appropriate here) -too much welfare for "poors" -lack of a huge variety of possible reforms to lower health care costs mainly focusing on competition/markets (mandatory open IP licensing, expanded HSAs, moderate tort reform, busting of monopolistic regulatory/licensing/certification crap, billing models, increased transparency in pricing and services, etc etc) |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:24 PM |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 10:03 AM |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 10:10 AM
Preventative measures are severely overrated, just a lib talking point. Get your breast exam. Get your prostate exam. Not much more to it than that. Preventative care does not affect your bronchitis or your broken leg. |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 10:19 AM |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 9:57 AM |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 10:04 AM
The current system is also a nightmare, but I wonder if we were to actually pull the trigger on a real universal health care plan -- how long it would even take to get it up and running? |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 10:24 AM
I'm all for a super cheap public option that caps coverage and doesn't let you get every high end treatment just to prolong life a few more miserable years. Just keep it simple, force people to make tough choices, and if it means poors can't have the same fancy treatments, then so be it. |
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