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Is blackjack a good game to play for relatively easy $ at casino

Seems too good to be true
--;...,.,.-;--....,;;_...-.-.----  07/02/12
yeah man if you lose a hand, just double your bet and do it ...
jonnyBlaze  07/02/12
(understands gambler's fallacy, still pursues fallacious str...
fIame (retired)  07/02/12
Great to lose unspeakable amounts of money. :( Curse that...
.,.,...,..,,,.,:.,:,...,:::,...,.,.,.:.:.,:.::,.  07/02/12
what is your biggest losing night? how did you react?
fIame (retired)  07/02/12
$10k I was pretty shell-shocked the next morning when I s...
.,.,...,..,,,.,:.,:,...,:::,...,.,.,.:.:.,:.::,.  07/02/12
woah. what sort of comps flowed from that?
fIame (retired)  07/02/12
2 free rooms twice a month, steakhouse comps, airfare/limo t...
.,.,...,..,,,.,:.,:,...,:::,...,.,.,.:.:.,:.::,.  07/02/12
airfare, whaaat
fIame (retired)  07/02/12
what casino?
.,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,,,:::,.;,.,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.  07/02/12
Not gonna say
.,.,...,..,,,.,:.,:,...,:::,...,.,.,.:.:.,:.::,.  07/02/12
I think most the big names in Vegas and Macau and 1-2 in Atl...
fIame (retired)  07/02/12
...
slim_shady_man  10/21/12
lol wtf man
Michael Doodikoff  07/02/12
Easy if you can count cards
Brother Bonobo (horribly transabled)  07/02/12
not for most people. it requires a large bankroll and near ...
Metal Up Your Ass  07/02/12
card counting is not hard. at all.
fIame (retired)  07/02/12
he asked if it was easy money. I told him why not. I didn'...
Metal Up Your Ass  07/02/12
/aspie on it is fair to say that you implied that the abi...
fIame (retired)  07/02/12
lol.
Metal Up Your Ass  07/02/12
...
Rick Steves Robbing Lost Couple At Knifepoint  07/02/12
how easy is card counting with an 8 deck shoe?
Mike Yanagita  07/02/12
if they are not auto-shuffling, it just takes a bit more sus...
fIame (retired)  07/02/12
No, not really. Variance is so high that you need a big bank...
Kraftwerk  07/02/12
just play craps. only do pass line bet and back up with as m...
Cunt Eatswood  07/02/12
This. Craps is best odds in the casino, and more fun to play...
,,.,,.,,.,.,.,.,..,..,..,..,  07/02/12
agreed on craps, but if you're somewhere with $10 mins, that...
Mark Ironside  07/02/12
who has craps mins below $10? are you in fucking windsor?
fIame (retired)  07/02/12
that's my point though. laying the odds, while a great bet,...
Mark Ironside  07/02/12
(complete retard) to be fair, most people are when it comes ...
,.,.,.,,.,..,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,,.,,..,..,.,.,.,.,.  07/02/12
no, but come on. if you play a pass line bet, and play 3-4-...
Mark Ironside  07/02/12
just cash out life savings and do 1000X odds at riviera h...
Cunt Eatswood  07/02/12
Yeah, craps is fun if you get a good roll going, and as long...
,,.,,.,,.,.,.,.,..,..,..,..,  07/02/12
this is my point. if you make good money and gamble with li...
Mark Ironside  07/02/12
Agreed. Assuming a good run, the social environment of a cra...
,,.,,.,,.,.,.,.,..,..,..,..,  07/02/12
You sound kind of dumb
fIame (retired)  07/02/12
Lol wtf, you blank-reply to one of my poasts (a tacit affirm...
,,.,,.,,.,.,.,.,..,..,..,..,  07/02/12
Changed my mind - I guess I could edit the blank post to say...
fIame (retired)  07/02/12
I see. I thought it was clear from my earlier posts that I u...
,,.,,.,,.,.,.,.,..,..,..,..,  07/02/12
all good
fIame (retired)  07/02/12
...
fIame (retired)  07/02/12
you morons realize they use huge decks and constantly shuffl...
,.,.,.,,.,..,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,,.,,..,..,.,.,.,.,.  07/02/12
I thought they generally use 5-6 decks and run the deck down...
Judas Jones  07/02/12
Some casinos use the continuous shuffle machines where they ...
,,.,,.,,.,.,.,.,..,..,..,..,  07/02/12
I was just curious. I never had the desire/discipline to tr...
Judas Jones  07/02/12
This. Or, casinos that still have double deck hand-shuffled...
.....,.,,,,,....,,,.,.,  07/02/12
thank god someone said this. Card counting is dead at the bi...
Mike Yanagita  07/02/12
I was waiting for someone to say this. Between shuffling mac...
.,.,,...,...,..,....,...,...,...  07/02/12
(Joey Knish)
Fry Mumia  07/03/12
nice
fIame (retired)  07/03/12


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Date: July 2nd, 2012 2:38 PM
Author: --;...,.,.-;--....,;;_...-.-.----

Seems too good to be true

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003029)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 2:39 PM
Author: jonnyBlaze

yeah man if you lose a hand, just double your bet and do it again. keep doing this and you get rich as fuuuuuarck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003034)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 3:26 PM
Author: fIame (retired)

(understands gambler's fallacy, still pursues fallacious strategy)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003250)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 2:41 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,,,.,:.,:,...,:::,...,.,.,.:.:.,:.::,.

Great to lose unspeakable amounts of money. :(

Curse that game

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003048)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 2:50 PM
Author: fIame (retired)

what is your biggest losing night? how did you react?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003089)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 3:03 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,,,.,:.,:,...,:::,...,.,.,.:.:.,:.::,.

$10k

I was pretty shell-shocked the next morning when I sobered up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003147)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 3:04 PM
Author: fIame (retired)

woah. what sort of comps flowed from that?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003150)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 3:07 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,,,.,:.,:,...,:::,...,.,.,.:.:.,:.::,.

2 free rooms twice a month, steakhouse comps, airfare/limo to casino. $200 cash

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003160)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 3:08 PM
Author: fIame (retired)

airfare, whaaat

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003164)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 3:08 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,,,:::,.;,.,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.

what casino?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003167)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 3:09 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,,,.,:.,:,...,:::,...,.,.,.:.:.,:.::,.

Not gonna say

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003171)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 3:21 PM
Author: fIame (retired)

I think most the big names in Vegas and Macau and 1-2 in Atlantic City will make this accomodation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003226)



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Date: October 21st, 2012 11:59 AM
Author: slim_shady_man



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21843756)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 3:05 PM
Author: Michael Doodikoff

lol wtf man

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003152)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 2:49 PM
Author: Brother Bonobo (horribly transabled)

Easy if you can count cards

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003088)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 2:51 PM
Author: Metal Up Your Ass

not for most people. it requires a large bankroll and near perfect card counting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003092)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 2:52 PM
Author: fIame (retired)

card counting is not hard. at all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003097)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 2:54 PM
Author: Metal Up Your Ass

he asked if it was easy money. I told him why not. I didn't say it was hard or easy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003108)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 3:01 PM
Author: fIame (retired)

/aspie on

it is fair to say that you implied that the ability to count cards was an obstacle to "easy money." An impediment or hindrance to achieving or obtaining something with ease is generally regarded as making it more difficult. An impediment or hindrance defined by latent characteristics, such as the concentration required by card counting, is generally described as "difficult."

/aspie off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003138)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 3:05 PM
Author: Metal Up Your Ass

lol.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003154)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 3:15 PM
Author: Rick Steves Robbing Lost Couple At Knifepoint



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003196)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 5:03 PM
Author: Mike Yanagita

how easy is card counting with an 8 deck shoe?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003793)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 5:05 PM
Author: fIame (retired)

if they are not auto-shuffling, it just takes a bit more sustained focus and patience. Your trigger to raise bets/bring in the gorilla is high.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003808)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 2:55 PM
Author: Kraftwerk

No, not really. Variance is so high that you need a big bankroll, plus you never really know whether you're actually a winning counter, because even if you are, you might lose for months or years. So even if you are, you might chicken out after losing for a while. And even worse, of course, is if you actually are messing up, but you're overconfident and attribute your losses to variance.

Poker is much easier, and you're doing it with casino consent (although most casinos won't care about counting unless you're blatant or at really high stakes).

Of course, the advantage of blackjack is comps. You can lead a pretty nice lifestyle counting, even without pulling out huge money.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003114)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 3:05 PM
Author: Cunt Eatswood

just play craps. only do pass line bet and back up with as much odds as casino will allow. house still has edge but this gives you a best odds over any other game.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003156)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 3:12 PM
Author: ,,.,,.,,.,.,.,.,..,..,..,..,

This. Craps is best odds in the casino, and more fun to play.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003188)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 3:18 PM
Author: Mark Ironside

agreed on craps, but if you're somewhere with $10 mins, that's potentially a pretty high min bet once you start laying the odds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003207)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 3:20 PM
Author: fIame (retired)

who has craps mins below $10? are you in fucking windsor?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003222)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 3:22 PM
Author: Mark Ironside

that's my point though. laying the odds, while a great bet, gets expensive if you aren't playing with a solid bankroll. you shouldn't really walk up to a craps table with a few hundred bucks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003235)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 3:24 PM
Author: ,.,.,.,,.,..,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,,.,,..,..,.,.,.,.,.

(complete retard) to be fair, most people are when it comes to gambling and statistics. Let me guess, you think it's better to sit down at a craps table with $100K?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003244)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 3:28 PM
Author: Mark Ironside

no, but come on. if you play a pass line bet, and play 3-4-5x odds, that's a decent-sized bet for each play. you go on a run of 4 or 5 bad outcomes and you've lost most or all of your money.

i'm just saying that for someone who wants lots of game play, craps is great so long as you can play with enough cash to get plenty of play given the minimums.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003261)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 3:33 PM
Author: Cunt Eatswood

just cash out life savings and do 1000X odds at riviera

http://www.rivierahotel.com/las-vegas-casino/table-games/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003288)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 3:27 PM
Author: ,,.,,.,,.,.,.,.,..,..,..,..,

Yeah, craps is fun if you get a good roll going, and as long as each shooter hits at least a couple numbers that you have money on before sevening out, you can stay afloat for a while. But when the shooter sets a point and you make even a standard bet (like passline odds, plus 5,6,8,9 as applicable), and then they immediately seven out on the next roll it is pretty devastating.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003257)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 3:30 PM
Author: Mark Ironside

this is my point. if you make good money and gamble with like a grand+, craps is great. if you're cheap or poor and sit down with a hundred, craps can be bad (or else your're likely to not lay the odds, which ups the house edge).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003269)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 3:35 PM
Author: ,,.,,.,,.,.,.,.,..,..,..,..,

Agreed. Assuming a good run, the social environment of a craps table makes it the best game in the casino.

She is certainly a fickle bitch though. I've played enough to have seen runs where someone (including myself) rolls for like an hour, as well as see the dice get passed around the table with each shooter sevening out almost immediately after setting a point.

One time, this dude gets the dice and rolls a seven on the come out roll. Ok great, everyone gets paid on the line. Then he rolls another seven. Awesome, paid again. He went on to roll like 8 or 9 sevens in a row on the come out, and eveyone was loving it. When he finally set a point, everyone starts putting their money out on the usual bets. I had my chips in hand, about to put my money out when I thought to myself "wait a minute, this guy is really good at rolling sevens." So I just left my passline bet out there and nothing else. Sure enough, he sevens out on the first roll after the point. I know, cool story bro.

The best I've ever done was hit 5 out of 6 points for the fire bet. I rolled for probably around 40 minutes, made a few k, and was a popular dude.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003298)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 3:44 PM
Author: fIame (retired)

You sound kind of dumb

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003334)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 4:07 PM
Author: ,,.,,.,,.,.,.,.,..,..,..,..,

Lol wtf, you blank-reply to one of my poasts (a tacit affirmation), and then tell me I sound kind of dumb?

Admittedly, rereading my poast, I do sound kind of dumb. But still.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003472)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 4:12 PM
Author: fIame (retired)

Changed my mind - I guess I could edit the blank post to say something arrogant and snarky. lol

The point is that most gambling anecdotes that merely report short term variances or describe someone having mystical foresight into the outcome of randomness are from people who don't understand statistical probabilities, the principle that past performance does not imply future results and, relatedly, optimal betting strategies. To be fair, this is far more common and indicative of intelligence in poker than table games for a variety of reasons, but still.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003498)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 4:19 PM
Author: ,,.,,.,,.,.,.,.,..,..,..,..,

I see. I thought it was clear from my earlier posts that I understand gambling and probabilities well enough. The anecdotal post, from which you concluded I was dumb, was not meant to convey the message that I believe superstitious or supernatural forces are at work. Quite to the contrary, I simply meant to convey the message that, while of course it all comes down to probabilities and nothing more, any seasoned gambler can still acknowledge more than a few crazy gambling stories. That is all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003529)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 4:21 PM
Author: fIame (retired)

all good

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003544)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 3:30 PM
Author: fIame (retired)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003271)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 3:19 PM
Author: ,.,.,.,,.,..,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,,.,,..,..,.,.,.,.,.

you morons realize they use huge decks and constantly shuffle at any decent stakes right? This effectively makes it impossible to be a profitable professional black jack player, even with a TEAM of card counters. What you read in a book 15 years ago or saw in a movie doesn't still apply.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003218)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 3:39 PM
Author: Judas Jones

I thought they generally use 5-6 decks and run the deck down to the cut card then reshuffle all decks?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003313)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 3:41 PM
Author: ,,.,,.,,.,.,.,.,..,..,..,..,

Some casinos use the continuous shuffle machines where they use 6-8 decks but after each hand they put the discarded cards back in the machine.

Some still use the shoe, 6-8 decks and they deal until most of the cards are gone, then reshuffle.

If you are going to count, you can't do it with the continuous shuffle machines, but you can do it with the shoe.

But really, you should just give up on the whole thing, play perfect basic strategy and enjoy yourself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003320)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 3:43 PM
Author: Judas Jones

I was just curious. I never had the desire/discipline to try to get into counting, and just play it by the book for fun a couple of times a year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003331)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 5:01 PM
Author: .....,.,,,,,....,,,.,.,

This. Or, casinos that still have double deck hand-shuffled BJ have switched to 6:5 payouts, making the game unprofitable even with perfect counting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003786)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 5:04 PM
Author: Mike Yanagita

thank god someone said this. Card counting is dead at the big casinos but you can still find dumps on fremont that play one deck blackjack

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21003801)



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Date: July 2nd, 2012 6:35 PM
Author: .,.,,...,...,..,....,...,...,...

I was waiting for someone to say this. Between shuffling machines and blackjack paying out 6:5, card counting simply isn't profitable unless you can find a casino off the beaten path. (And even then it's risky. If they catch you counting on the Strip, they ask you to leave. If they catch you counting at some other dive, they may just break your kneecaps.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21004397)



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Date: July 3rd, 2012 10:05 AM
Author: Fry Mumia

(Joey Knish)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21007839)



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Date: July 3rd, 2012 10:22 AM
Author: fIame (retired)

nice

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984732&forum_id=2#21007948)