Reviewing resumes for contract attorneys, taking questions
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Date: July 29th, 2012 8:23 AM
Author: .,.,,...,......;;.,,,,,,,.,.....,...,.,
Litigation associate at BIGLAW. Working on a case where we'll be using off-site contract attorneys to do first review. Client ultimately wants to review the resumes of everyone we hire, and I've been assigned the task of taking the first pass at accept/reject for the resumes sent over by the staffing agency.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2008125&forum_id=2#21204545) |
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Date: July 29th, 2012 8:59 AM
Author: .,.,,...,......;;.,,,,,,,.,.....,...,.,
People who won't cause the client to say "why did you hire this person?" and complain to the partner.
If my decisions were not second-guessed, I'd probably take long-term people with lots of contract experience over people who graduated 2010 who would have been BIGLAW if not for ITE. I figure the 2010 grads have no experience and are probably jaded and bitter about their life prospects whereas the long-term folks are more resigned to their fates. But in reality, I'm just looking for school names the client will have heard of. UG counts for this, too. One resume from a dude who was Cornell UG. I bet he hatesself.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2008125&forum_id=2#21204560) |
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Date: July 29th, 2012 9:05 AM
Author: .,.,,...,......;;.,,,,,,,.,.....,...,.,
I don't have the rankings in front of me. Probably "schools the client will have heard of." Either undergrad or LS. I'll take a Michigan UG, Cooley LS over Cal State Bumblefuck UG, UC Hastings law school.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2008125&forum_id=2#21204571) |
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Date: July 29th, 2012 1:48 PM
Author: .,.,,...,......;;.,,,,,,,.,.....,...,.,
What part seems dumb? Trying to avoid pissing the client off? Their work will be (double and triple) checked. There isn't an opportunity for a contract attorney to majorly fuck up a doc review. There's only an opportunity for me to piss off the client by handing him/her a pile of resumes from schools s/he has never heard of.
If you think the ultimate goal of this project is to get the best people possible rather than to satisfy the client so that s/he THINKS the reviewers are the best people possible then you, bro, don't understand BIGLAW.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2008125&forum_id=2#21205754) |
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Date: July 29th, 2012 9:17 AM
Author: .,.,,...,......;;.,,,,,,,.,.....,...,.,
Yes. "Coordinate and supervise selection of contract attorneys for first review of documents related to [x]."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2008125&forum_id=2#21204587) |
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Date: July 29th, 2012 9:51 AM
Author: .,.,....,.,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,....,:,.,.:...,:.::,
nice entry. lulziest resume line? be gentle oc
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2008125&forum_id=2#21204633) |
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Date: July 29th, 2012 10:01 AM
Author: .,.,,...,......;;.,,,,,,,.,.....,...,.,
I'm way too busy to spend much time studying the crappy ones carefully for laugh-lines, but I'm shocked the number of people who list that they are Lexis or Westlaw "certified" on their resumes.
1) This is a doc review job--there will be no Lexis or Westlaw necessary or even available.
2) I didn't even know there was such a thing. How does one become "certified" in Lexis/Westlaw?
These people graduated from law school. Comes off on a resume like "good speller" or "able to successfully navigate the subway to arrive at the office." Terrible.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2008125&forum_id=2#21204678) |
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Date: July 29th, 2012 10:06 AM
Author: .,.,....,.,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,....,:,.,.:...,:.::,
damn. sucks
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2008125&forum_id=2#21204686) |
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Date: July 29th, 2012 1:28 PM
Author: .,.,,...,......;;.,,,,,,,.,.....,...,.,
Another pretty dumb one is people bragging about the important clients they've done work for. Like, congrats, you, while working at a contract attorney staffing company, got staffed on a doc review where you read email of people who worked at Citibank... and?
We get a list of clients from everyone separate from the resumes because of potential conflicts, so even to the extent that I gave a shit whose emails you were reading last week (and I don't), I'd already have that info available. Putting it on your resume just makes you look like a douchebag.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2008125&forum_id=2#21205654) |
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Date: July 29th, 2012 1:46 PM
Author: .,.,,...,......;;.,,,,,,,.,.....,...,.,
I'm neither a professional career counselor nor (thank GOD) someone who has a lot of personal experience sending out resumes, so I'm not sure I'm even aware of what the no-no's are. I wouldn't put "objectives" on my resume, but not sure it would leap off the page at me on someone else's.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2008125&forum_id=2#21205742) |
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Date: July 29th, 2012 1:29 PM
Author: .,.,,...,......;;.,,,,,,,.,.....,...,.,
No clue. We get them from a staffing agency. Don't know how the staffing agency got them and hope to hell I never have to find out.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2008125&forum_id=2#21205657) |
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Date: July 29th, 2012 1:29 PM
Author: .,.,,...,......;;.,,,,,,,.,.....,...,.,
Some state court clerkships, no federal yet.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2008125&forum_id=2#21205661) |
Date: July 29th, 2012 1:30 PM
Author: ,.,.,;.;.;.,;.;,;.,;,.;,.,;.,;.,.,;.,;,;;::.,.,;
Highest Ranked School
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2008125&forum_id=2#21205664) |
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Date: July 29th, 2012 1:42 PM
Author: .,.,,...,......;;.,,,,,,,.,.....,...,.,
Lower T14, from someone who graduated a 20+ years ago. Hard to tell obviously, but possibly someone who voluntarily dropped out of the profession at some point a while back and is now contracting voluntarily for reasons not obvious to me. At least, I hope that's the case based on the resume I'm seeing. Otherwise I'm very, very sorry for this person.
In terms of what I've seen from people graduated in 2007 or later, I've seen plenty from local schools that used to send a lot more people to BIGLAW than they do now (Fordham et al) and some from non-T14 upper Tier I schools not in this area. Think Minnesota, U Washington, etc.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2008125&forum_id=2#21205719) |
Date: July 29th, 2012 1:30 PM
Author: Metal Up Your Ass
how does the money flow in this scenario?
Client>You>Staffing Agency>Doc Reviewer?
What are the rates billed out along the way and how much does the reviewer end up making?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2008125&forum_id=2#21205667) |
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Date: July 29th, 2012 1:55 PM
Author: .,.,,...,......;;.,,,,,,,.,.....,...,.,
I don't know how much the reviewers make, and I'm sort of scared to ask. The staffing agency charges a fixed rate per hour per reviewer. I don't want to give out exact numbers in case of outting, but let's just say that if we assume the reviewer received 100% of what we pay the agency (obviously not true) and worked a 40 hour week 50 weeks a year, the reviewer would make under $75k/year.
Ultimately the client will sign the contract with the staffing agency. So the money goes from client to staffing agency. The agency pays the reviewers.
I understand sometimes the firm signs the contract with the staffing agency and then bills the client like we do with other third-party vendors like printers and court reporters, but that's not how this particular client works.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2008125&forum_id=2#21205783) |
Date: July 29th, 2012 1:44 PM
Author: ...,,.,.,.,.,,,...,,...,.,.,..,.,.,.,.,,.,.,,...,,
You idiots are getting flamed so hard ITT.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2008125&forum_id=2#21205736) |
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Date: July 29th, 2012 2:00 PM
Author: .,.,,...,......;;.,,,,,,,.,.....,...,.,
None that I've noticed. It's SCARY how non-ridic these resumes are. Sure, plenty from not-great schools and plenty who have so little experience that they're forced to list transparently ridiculous bullshit to make it look like they know something, but no one has submitted a resume in crayon or comic sans, mangled the English language, or included their high school GPA or anything like that. These people look mostly legit. It's a difficult world out there.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2008125&forum_id=2#21205813) |
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Date: July 29th, 2012 2:15 PM
Author: .,.,,...,......;;.,,,,,,,.,.....,...,.,
You're right, this would be a pretty lame flame to be running around here. It's way too boring to lie about.
I just figure as much as people around here talk about people being assfucked by ITE and COA clerk Harvard grads working for $10/hr as temps or whatever the hell people are saying these days, people might want to know what's up from someone who is actually looking at actual resumes for actual people seeking work as actual contract attorneys.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2008125&forum_id=2#21205885) |
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Date: July 29th, 2012 2:22 PM
Author: .,,...,..,.,.,..,,:,...,::,...,:,.,.:..:.,:.::,,.,
so i suppose that's not the case if you haven't run across any recent T14 resumes.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2008125&forum_id=2#21205917) |
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Date: July 29th, 2012 2:43 PM
Author: .,.,,...,......;;.,,,,,,,.,.....,...,.,
I personally have not. I'm sure there are some out there, but there aren't any in the ones I have reviewed. I have no idea how the staffing agency decides what resumes to send to whom--like, if these were pre-sorted based on the firm I work at or the client or what.
But if I had to give a general overview of the pool I'm seeing I'd say it is mostly a mix of 1) recent grads who look median-ish at law schools where you'd have to be in the top to get BIGLAW plus people, 2) people 4-8 years out who look like they probably had lower ranked BIGLAW jobs or SA positions or maybe MIDLAW jobs that they probably lost due to ITE 3) people 8+ years out, some who used to work at firms some not, who seem to have sort of bounced around for 5-20+ years doing various shitlaw kinds of things like in house at crappy company or staff attorney at lower BIGLAW or whatever and who I'm guessing got ITE-fucked and find anything comparable, 4) people who, for lack of a better description, seem like actual career contract attorneys (why anyone would do this, I have no idea, though one of the guys had an interesting enough resume that I googled him and found out he was an actor).
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2008125&forum_id=2#21206195)
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Date: July 29th, 2012 2:31 PM
Author: .,.,,...,......;;.,,,,,,,.,.....,...,.,
NYC
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2008125&forum_id=2#21206017) |
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