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Young Phil Jackson on Blacks in NBA
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Date: February 18th, 2013 9:49 PM Author: Carmine digit ratio "Throughout the years the black players on the Knicks have possessed much better physical ability than the white players, being generally faster and better jumpers. I also think that they have always had superior one-on-one talent."
"White players are more often willing to run patterns and to work collectively."
"Because of the predominance of blacks in pro basketball, the sport is rapidly disintegrating into a one-on-one sport. There are only five or six NBA teams who play with more than a superficial degree of team unity."
On the Knicks: "The starting front court played white basketball while guards played black basketball."
"Black kids growing up want to be the superstar of their neighborhood. They want to be the toughest kids on the block, the richest or, once they get to the playground, the best one-on-one basketball players. White kids, on the other hand, usually are raised in a more homogeneous environment which provides other outlets for personal expression. They're also constantly being taught the principle of subordinating their own personal glory for the good of the group."
"The average player's career is a very short period of his life, and the minute he's through nobody knows who is. Twenty-five years from now the only people who will remember me will be a few trivia experts, and that's exactly how it should be. A lot of black players look at their careers differently. Many blacks have let themselves believe that being in the NBA is one of the greatest things a person can accomplish. I believe this type of feeling is ultimately very destructive, because the only way you can live with it is to get into a heavy fantasy trip. I've seen the process develop many times, and very few players ever find happiness that way."
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Date: February 18th, 2013 9:50 PM Author: Saffron Stage nothing false or inflammatory in that. everyone should agree with that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664670) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 9:52 PM Author: Carmine digit ratio "Because of the predominance of blacks in pro basketball, the sport is rapidly disintegrating into a one-on-one sport."
People would get irate if he said something like that today. |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 9:53 PM Author: Exciting personal credit line takes a good coach to teach team play. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664684) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 9:54 PM Author: Carmine digit ratio i think every coach teaches team play. it's just only a few coaches command enough respect from players to get them to listen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664696) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 9:54 PM Author: vengeful whorehouse pozpig And yet it's exactly true and has been the reason for declining support of the NBA for years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664697) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 9:58 PM Author: obsidian stock car by declining support you mean large increases in world wide popularity, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664737) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2013 1:47 AM Author: adulterous church feces lolwut? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22687891) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2013 1:48 AM Author: adulterous church feces this is just wrong. the team defense today is just so much better than before. average nba score in the 1980s was like 120-118. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22687896) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 9:52 PM Author: Exciting personal credit line he speaks the truth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664682) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 9:53 PM Author: Carmine digit ratio "Twenty-five years from now the only people who will remember me will be a few trivia experts, and that's exactly how it should be."
This quote is funny considering he's now widely considered the best coach ever. |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 9:55 PM Author: Jet Hateful Depressive lol no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664702) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 9:56 PM Author: Carmine digit ratio no you don't think so, or no he isn't widely considered as such? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664707) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:01 PM Author: Jet Hateful Depressive both (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664761) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 9:57 PM Author: Pea-brained box office place of business You don't have to believe that he is the greatest coach of all time to believe that he is widely believed to be the greatest of all time. Everyone else could just be wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664717) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 9:58 PM Author: Exciting personal credit line generally a tie between him and Red Auerbach (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664732) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 9:58 PM Author: comical area foreskin who is clearly and inarguably better than jackson (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664738) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:01 PM Author: Jet Hateful Depressive I'm saying that he isn't "widely" considered the greatest of all time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664760) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:02 PM Author: Carmine digit ratio what rock do you live under bro? you have a better argument saying he isn't the greatest ever than saying he isn't widely considered as such... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664763) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:04 PM Author: Jet Hateful Depressive red auerbach (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664774) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:04 PM Author: Lascivious autistic theater lol just lol, no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664781) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:06 PM Author: Jet Hateful Depressive (actual retard) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664800) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:09 PM Author: Lascivious autistic theater a lot harder to win 10 titles with 25+ teams in the league than to win 9 with fucking like 8 teams in the whole league and no free agency, shit for brains. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664826) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:24 PM Author: Jet Hateful Depressive free agency, moving to teams with the best players, you're retarded, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664971) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:09 PM Author: White stimulating property prole Any casual basketball fan knows Phil Jackson. Casual fans don't know Red Auerbach. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664835) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:04 PM Author: appetizing stage candlestick maker tbf man, you may have just grown up during jordan and come of age with Kobe/Shaq. Two to three generations of old dudes have known nothing auerbach/russell until recently
edit: bird/mchale/perish |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:31 PM Author: Carmine digit ratio "until recently" ... you mean until the last 3 decades+? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22665024) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:33 PM Author: appetizing stage candlestick maker no, everybody thought jordan was a huge lebron-like dick playing in a shitty era until like 94. exactly how they did lebron. look it up don't take my word for it. everybody still thinks phil jackson just rolled out of bed and coached his all star teams, whether that's fair or not (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22665041) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:35 PM Author: Carmine digit ratio "everybody still thinks phil jackson just rolled out of bed and coached his all star teams, whether that's fair or not"
the only people who think that are more sophisticated fans that happened to hate the bulls/lakers. usually celtics fans. that's a pretty small subset. the casual fan doesn't think this. |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:36 PM Author: appetizing stage candlestick maker the only reason you say that is because you resent boston sports success. so you downgrade the accomplishments. the exact same way the casual fan resents phil jackson and downgrades his success (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22665073) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:04 PM Author: Lascivious autistic theater (mad as fuck celtic fan) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664776) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:07 PM Author: appetizing stage candlestick maker (youngster) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664804) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:07 PM Author: Jet Hateful Depressive (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664812) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:14 PM Author: aqua step-uncle's house fortuitous meteor (literal retard) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664877) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:28 PM Author: Misunderstood rose menage Date: February 18th, 2013 9:55 PM Author: Lace
lol no |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 9:59 PM Author: adventurous orchid selfie I always thought the "white people play TEAM basketball" was the refuge of physically inferior players getting styled on by black dudes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664747) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:00 PM Author: Carmine digit ratio it was commonly accepted back in the day but there's been a huge push in recent years through hollywood movies to bury this idea as "racist" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664755) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:03 PM Author: adventurous orchid selfie I actually do not see it. Maybe it was true at some point, but I don't see as much of a difference in the level of "team" basketball from the white-dominated era to now as people claim, except that maybe you have some dudes who are just so fucking good at isos that why would you not run isos with them? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664768) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:04 PM Author: motley knife dysfunction How many basketball games from the 1950s have you watched, brehlet? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664782) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:08 PM Author: adventurous orchid selfie LOOK AT ALL OF THE SOPHISTICATED TEAM PLAY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54qY7HRx8iI |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:09 PM Author: Excitant Up-to-no-good National Security Agency LJL at the anemic defense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664833) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:25 PM Author: Carmine digit ratio that actually does look like good team play. they move it around, look to get it inside, look to pass instead of immediately driving, no dribbling it around without a purpose, the bigs post... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664974) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:04 PM Author: emerald pit boistinker cui bono? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664773) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:04 PM Author: adventurous orchid selfie I mean really more than anything I just see it as butthurt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664783) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:02 PM Author: histrionic navy incel theatre Fundamentals are a crutch for the talentless. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664764) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:18 PM Author: adventurous orchid selfie A modern Miami Heat fastbreak is one of the most advanced weapons basketball has ever seen. Criticizing it for being too showboaty and lacking "fundamentals" is like giving Coltrane pointers on his ambature. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664914) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2013 1:39 AM Author: Spectacular school main people (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22687875) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:03 PM Author: motley knife dysfunction Not to mention cuckoldry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664772) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:08 PM Author: Excitant Up-to-no-good National Security Agency Sorry Hickory beat South Bend, bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664820) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:06 PM Author: Sienna razzle home roommate There's a recent influx of hyper-athletic white doods like Budinger, Parsons, Shved, Dragic, Kirilenko, etc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664791) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:10 PM Author: adventurous orchid selfie true. widening the pool to include more of europe has helped. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664838) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:10 PM Author: aromatic impertinent partner double fault those all sound eastern european. are they? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664839) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:14 PM Author: Sienna razzle home roommate Yes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664879) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:14 PM Author: Lascivious autistic theater Budinger is a white boy from America, same with Parsons. The rest are all EE. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664883) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:08 PM Author: bisexual school cafeteria party of the first part http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=8h5kg5f8Im0#t=228s
Hilarious Bill Burr stand up about racism and basketball |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:09 PM Author: impressive passionate tanning salon brethren The thing is, I would much rather watch Carmelo Anthony put on a scoring clinic than a bunch of role players rotating through bounce passes until one of the defenders trips up. Phil wasn't denigrating the physical evolution of the game because it was the natural consequence of the sport becoming more efficient at identifying and cultivating the best athletes. He was pointing out that young black athletes are raised in a culture that sets them up to fail even as they reach what they believe is the apex of achievement, and any black person who disagrees with that is a backwards idiot contributing to the permanent underclass problem. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664830) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:12 PM Author: magenta heaven milk denigrating
OH, WHAT A CHOICE OF WORDS! |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:23 PM Author: Maroon circlehead kitchen http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics
The best players of today's NBA are pretty unselfish: LeBron, Durant, Paul, Duncan, Parker, etc. Carmelo is the #2 scorer but nobody considers him that good.
We're a long ways from when Iverson and assorted horrible low percentage volume scorers are considered the best players. |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:24 PM Author: adventurous orchid selfie cr, this is what I intuitively felt -- today's players physically pwn AND play team ball (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22664967) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:29 PM Author: Carmine digit ratio playing team ball today = everyone sits around while one super player drives to bucket and kicks out to someone either cutting to basket along with them to take advantage of the weak side coming to help or to an open 3 pointer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22665010) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:31 PM Author: impressive passionate tanning salon brethren (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22665026) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:31 PM Author: Excitant Up-to-no-good National Security Agency (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22665027) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:30 PM Author: appetizing stage candlestick maker you seem worked up but try to think about if every team played spurs style ball. just try to think about what they do now, heat-lebrons talent and nothing else, clips-alleyoops and nothing else, lakers kobe and nothing else, knicks-melo etc., and how much harder they'd pwn if they played fluid, organized, spurs-style ball (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22665016) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:32 PM Author: adventurous orchid selfie (guy who doesn't watch the Heat) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22665033) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:34 PM Author: appetizing stage candlestick maker what else do they do i'm willing to learn. i watch them play whenever it's convenient (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22665051) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:37 PM Author: Maroon circlehead kitchen they might lose 4-2 in the playoffs oh what a scholar (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22665074) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:38 PM Author: appetizing stage candlestick maker yeah that's the obvious next step :D. i think it has less to do with their style than their age tho (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22665093) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:39 PM Author: sinister snowy university macaca credited poast (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22665103) |
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Date: February 18th, 2013 10:36 PM Author: garnet rehab coldplay fan Can you even imagine how badly a true "team" team would dominate in this era? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22665069) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2013 3:37 AM Author: sexy dilemma boltzmann I saw Bill Russel on the street last year or so. He lives on Mercer Island, near Seattle. He was climbing into a black Mercedes SUV. The instant he saw I that recognized him, he looked away sharply like he did NOT want to be approached. Inside his SUV he was communicating with someone in the front passenger seat. What shocked me was how nimble Bill's hands were while he was gesticulating. My point is this: Bill Russel allegedly dunking on 5'10 white guys for eight or so years accounts for much of the luster on Auerbach's resume. OTOH, Phil wasn't exactly coaching scrubs in Chicago or in LA; and Marino was a better quarterback than Dilfer. I think Phil's accomplishments, however, do eclipse Red's. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22688031) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2013 3:55 AM Author: Sepia hyperventilating son of senegal (teller of dumbass stories) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22688043) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2013 4:19 AM Author: sexy dilemma boltzmann (commentator of insignificant observations) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2187386&forum_id=2#22688057) |